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Violence is Not a Bug of Materialist Metaphysics; It is a Feature

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I have already featured the following from Seversky as our quote of the day:

I do not hold that there are no binding moral principles. I say we are entitled to decide for ourselves which moral codes should bind us. This does not mean that abominations like the Nazis or Stalinist Russia or Pol Pot’s Cambodia are inevitable. Those regimes imposed their policies by the most brutal violence and certainly did not seek the opinions, let alone the consent, of those they oppressed.

In my prior post I highlighted the incoherence of the first two sentences. In this post I want to focus on the faulty assumptions in the remainder of the post. Seversky declares that the link between violence and materialism is not “inevitable.” But he is plainly wrong. Materialism posits that rocks and automobiles and dogs and people are manifestations of the same thing: particles in motion. If a person believes materialism is true he must also believe certain corollaries that logically follow. Materialist Will Provine sums these up nicely:

1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent . . .

Those are not my views. Those are the conclusions of an honest materialist.

The materialist must necessarily believe that human beings are nothing but clever hairless apes with no more intrinsic value than dogs. Eigenstate, who comments frequently on this site, is particularly honest about this feature of materialism. He argues that like a dollar which has no intrinsic value, the only reason a human has any value at all is because he happens to be subjectively valued. If he were not subjectively valued, he would have no value at all. Brutal. But certainly true if materialism is true.

Lenin famously justified murdering anti-communists by quipping, “to make an omelet you have to break some eggs.” Of course, the “eggs” in that sentence represent human lives. And if you are a materialist who believes that a human has no more intrinsic value than an egg, the sentiment makes perfect sense. Similarly, Mao said, “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”

In the absence of acknowledgement of a binding objective moral code, there is only one law, the law of the jungle where the strong prevail and the weak succumb. If a strong man subscribes to Christian ethics, calculations such as “I have to murder X number of people to achieve my utopian political objective” are off limits. That is the very reason Hitler hated Christianity and, following Nietzsche, called it a religion of slaves.

It follows, therefore, that the ultimate method by which the strong impose their preferences on the weak – violence – is not an aberration of materialist metaphysics; instead history has proved many times over that it is a feature of it.

It is now fashionable even among liberals to deplore the 20th Century materialist dictators who killed millions (it was not always so; let us never forget that Stalin was once a liberal hero; he was Time magazine’s man of the year in both 1939 and 1942). But the spirit of violence that motivated those dictators has never gone away. If anything, the spirit that says the strong may sacrifice the helpless if the helpless get in their way is stronger than ever.

The same spirit that led to this in 1945

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leads to this in 2015:

Arm of Baby Killed by Planned Parenthood

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The current state of affairs would not be so bad if the materialist were to acknowledge fairly the weaknesses of their arguments. The reason that their unfair handling (dismissal by priori commitment) of the argument from design is so problematic is they raise a bunch of brain dead zombies out of the school system who are so indoctrinated that they really think they hold the ultimate truth with their materialist world view. Some of the materialists at the top of the tree then claim that any one who does not subscribe to their view is mentally unbalanced and not worthy to be in a position of responsibility. The reality is that the most obvious thing about life is that it is to complex to come about by chance and blah blah blah. People who are unable to see this disturb me greatlyDillyGill
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Judging from a video-clip I was watching the other day, even Hitler baulked at using the expression, 'survival of the fittest', preferring to use the term, 'nature'.Axel
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For being inconsequential whether Hitler was a materialist or not, it sure is proclaimed a lot. I only brought it up after it was referenced in the OP and then in a couple of the responses. I don't say anything 99%+ that it's mentioned, but every once in a while it's tempting to say something when you see something repeated like a mantra that is so obviously wrong. Stamping out materialism, athiesm, and moral relativity was a life goal of Hitler (his most common accusation of Jews is probably that they spread atheism and materialism). Here's one of countless examples from Table Talk where he talks about materialists:
Who’s that little Bolshevik professor who claims to triumph over creation? People like that, we’ll break them. Whether we rely on the catechism or on philosophy, we have possibilities in reserve, whilst they, with their purely materialistic conceptions, can only devour one another.
The name he was searching for was Oparin, often called the Father of abiogenesis and a forerunner of Stanley Miller. Contrast Hitler's reaction to Oparin with Stalin's: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/11/oparin_he_got_i3066681.html Does it sound like he "shared with the Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin a materialistic outlook"? He elsewhere states: "Where do we get the right to believe that humanity was not already from its earliest origins what it is today?" Doesn't sound like a "nineteenth century rationalist" to me. 19th century rationalists sound like the people Hitler wanted to "break". It's hard to find stuff of substance in the OP to respond to, but I'll take a stab at it:
The materialist must necessarily believe that human beings are nothing but clever hairless apes with no more intrinsic value than dogs.
What gives something "intrinsic value"? What does that mean? It's the same issue with "binding objective moral code". It's more undefined empty modifiers. So it's no wonder such debates go nowhere.goodusername
August 25, 2015
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goodusername:
Hitler was hardly a materialist.
Wiki:
Alan Bullock wrote that even though Hitler frequently employed the language of "divine providence" in defence of his own myth, he ultimately shared with the Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin a materialistic outlook "based on the nineteenth century rationalists' certainty that the progress of science would destroy all myths and had already proved Christian doctrine to be an absurdity"
We can quibble on Hitler about whether he was a vehemently anti-Christian mystical pagan or a vehemently anti-Christian materialist. But even if we remove his 12,000,000 from the tally, there are still over 100,000,000,000 deaths at the hands of materialists. Your quibble, like your observation above, does not go to the thrust of the post goodusername, do you actually have anything of substance to say or do you just want to snipe at the edges?Barry Arrington
August 25, 2015
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Ray, Hitler was hardly a materialist. Any reading of what Hitler wrote or said either publically (Mein Kampf, his speeches, etc) or privately (Table Talk, etc) will make that crystal clear. He regularly railed against materialism, atheism, and moral relativism. He often blamed Jews and Communists for both and were big reasons he hated both.goodusername
August 25, 2015
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Barry, There were some liberals who supported Stalin in the early 1930s, but it was hardly fashionable. But mainly I was just pointing out how laughable it was to use Time magazine as an indication of someone being a "liberal hero", as a glance of the list of winners should make pretty clear. (And anyway, as they explain ad nauseum - but apparently not often enough for some - it's about who had the biggest affect on the year "for better or worse". They even flat out state in the article for Stalin's 1942 person of the year award, that if Germany had won the battle of Stalingrad that they were going to give the award to Hitler. Imagine Hitler winning the award in the middle of World War II! Obviously, the award isn't an endorsement.)goodusername
August 25, 2015
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goodusername, Are you denying that Stalin was celebrated in liberal circles in the 30's or are you just being a smartass? If the former, do you have any evidence whatsoever to support that claim? Barry Arrington
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It is now fashionable even among liberals to deplore the 20th Century materialist dictators who killed millions (it was not always so; let us never forget that Stalin was once a liberal hero; he was Time magazine’s man of the year in both 1939 and 1942).
Apparently other liberal heroes include Hitler, Nixon, Kissinger, Ayatollah Khomeini, Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Newt Gingrich, Ken Starr, and George W. Bush.goodusername
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Barry Arrington: "Violence is Not a Bug of Materialist Metaphysics; It is a Feature"
Let us hear from a mainstream scholar, Professor of Modern History at Cambridge University, Richard J. Evans writing in "The Third Reich In Power" (2005). "Nazism's use of quasi-religious symbols and rituals was real enough, but it was for the most part more a matter of style than substance. 'Hitler's studied usurpation of religious functions,' as one historian has written, 'was perhaps a displaced hatred of the Christian tradition: the hatred of an apostate.' The real core of Nazi beliefs lay in the faith Hitler proclaimed in his speech of September 1938 in science - a Nazi view of science - as the basis for action. Science demanded the furtherance of the interests not of God but of the human race, and above all the German race and its future in a world ruled by the ineluctable laws of Darwinian competition between races and between individuals" (p.259). So the Arrington title is absolutely accurate. While Darwinian Materialists were conducting their biological synthesis---natural selection with Mendelian genetics in the early 1940s---Hitler was in the field selecting his perceived enemies for extinction. The 20th century was the first time in history that Materialists gained political power, and look at what they did: murder, Murder, MURDER. All based on Darwinian "science."Ray Martinez
August 25, 2015
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Atheistic-Materialist Regimes and Murder Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,00 people murdered Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered Approximate Total Atheistic Regime Murders: 106.259 to 125.259 Million People (or, 106,259,000 to 125,259,000 Persons) (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/publiccatholic/2013/03/atheist-governments-of-the-20th-century-the-death-toll-of-godless-goodness/) And according to the WHO, every year in the world there are an estimated 40-50 million abortions. This corresponds to approximately 125,000 abortions per day.redwave
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Sean, I quoted Provine and Eigenstate. How is that putting words in their mouth? BTW, for your comment to have any force you needed to identify a statement I made about materialism that is not true. Sadly, since you did not do that, you comment falls into the category of "rant." That's OK though. Not everyone can make a cogent argument. If all you can do is rant, please feel free. Barry Arrington
August 25, 2015
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Sean, What about his comments were attacking straw men? What he said is 100% true. It's only the dishonest materialist who steals from the ethics of theists that would deny such things.OldArmy94
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Materialism posits BLAH BLAH BLAH.
As usual, you put words into the mouths of others, impute comments from X to be binding on Y and then beat your straw men into submission. sean s.sean samis
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