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Viruses called phages, researchers say, are in a grey zone between life and non-life

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They are called phages: because they eat bacteria:

Scientists have discovered hundreds of unusually large, bacteria-killing viruses with capabilities normally associated with living organisms, blurring the line between living microbes and viral machines.

These phages — short for bacteriophages, so-called because they “eat” bacteria — are of a size and complexity considered typical of life, carry numerous genes normally found in bacteria and use these genes against their bacterial hosts.

University of California, Berkeley, researchers and their collaborators found these huge phages by scouring a large database of DNA that they generated from nearly 30 different Earth environments, ranging from the guts of premature infants and pregnant women to a Tibetan hot spring, a South African bioreactor, hospital rooms, oceans, lakes and deep underground.

Altogether they identified 351 different huge phages, all with genomes four or more times larger than the average genomes of viruses that prey on single-celled bacteria.

Among these is the largest bacteriophage discovered to date: Its genome, 735,000 base-pairs long, is nearly 15 times larger than the average phage. This largest known phage genome is much larger than the genomes of many bacteria…

“Typically, what separates life from non-life is to have ribosomes and the ability to do translation; that is one of the major defining features that separate viruses and bacteria, non-life and life,” Sachdeva said. “Some large phages have a lot of this translational machinery, so they are blurring the line a bit.”

University of California – Berkeley, “Huge bacteria-eating viruses close gap between life and non-life” at ScienceDaily

Paper. (open access)

It’s not clear why phages are not just assumed to be life forms. If they turn out to communicate and learn from experience, as bacteria do, that would strengthen the case.

See also: In What Ways Are Bacteria Intelligent?
As antibiotic resistance grows, researchers are discovering that these microbes are not just single, simple cells. We must understand the surprisingly complex ways bacteria “think” in order to keep them in check.

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JVL I've noticed that your bolding machine gets sometimes stuck (those times of course when your atheist-evo-materialist side starts to show its cracks). So I am doing the (bolding) homework for you: (E.g: how is it possible for our brains to “escape” evolution if WE ARE OUR BRAINS AND WE(“BRAINS”) HAVE BEEN SHAPED BY EVOLUTION AND ONLY BY EVOLUTION? MatSpirit? Pater Kimbridge? Seversky? Bob O’H? Chuckdarwin? *Deafening silence*. This is a thread about viruses, so inhale, breath deeply. You (mats) can escape this tricky question AGAIN.Truthfreedom
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Did YOU design Earth's ecosystem ? Are you able to judge what amount of killing is needed (in order to regulate any population) ? Years ago, your Darwinian friends tried to design an ecosystem, it was a disaster. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2martin_r
August 25, 2020
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Martin_r: A common cold virus does not kill ? Not as often or as well as some other viruses. It's not great as a population control device.JVL
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JVL @9 " Is the common cold virus a degraded one that was designed to kill?" A common cold virus does not kill ?martin_r
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I don’t have an answer. I would guess that viruses arose as ‘lucky’ molecular combinations that could infect living cells and use the cell’s chemicals to reproduce. But I really don’t know. Maybe someday mainstream science will find a plausible orgination path.
So much for "settled science". Most people here have no problem with 'evolution' (as part of our human endeavor to understand the Universe, subject to changes/ reviews). The problem is with the toxic couple: "darwinism" + materialism (using evolutionary science to make people believe that science is "on your philosophical side"). Once you start scratching materialism's surface, you see how fragile its pillars are.Truthfreedom
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Truthfreedom: He has replied this question dozens of times. It seems that you materialists/ evos tend to do that: ignoring what is written that challenge your views and, specially, ignoring questions that you obviously CAN NOT answer. I apologised, what else do you want me to do? Do you call all the ID proponents out when they don't answer questions? Nope.JVL
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I apologise, reading over your reply I realise you have answered a similar query before and I’d forgotten.
He has replied this question dozens of times. It seems that you materialists/ evos tend to do that: ignoring what is written that challenge your views and, specially, ignoring questions that you obviously CAN NOT answer. (E.g: how is it possible for our brains to "escape" evolution if WE ARE OUR BRAINS AND WE("BRAINS") HAVE BEEN SHAPED BY EVOLUTION AND ONLY BY EVOLUTION? MatSpirit? Pater Kimbridge? Seversky? Bob O'H? Chuckdarwin? *Deafening silence*.Truthfreedom
August 25, 2020
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Truthfreedom: Martin_r has asked a question and you have no answer. Wasn’t “science” on your side? It seems that evolutionists have a “problem”. I don't have an answer. I would guess that viruses arose as 'lucky' molecular combinations that could infect living cells and use the cell's chemicals to reproduce. But I really don't know. Maybe someday mainstream science will find a plausible orgination path.JVL
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Where do you think viruses come from?
Martin_r has asked a question and you have no answer. Wasn't "science" on your side? It seems that evolutionists have a "problem".Truthfreedom
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Martin_r: sure, how often should i repeat myself ? I apologise, reading over your reply I realise you have answered a similar query before and I'd forgotten. So . . . the virus causing havoc is part of a program of population control? What about the ones that don't kill their hosts? Is the common cold virus a degraded one that was designed to kill?JVL
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JVL @7 "Where do you think viruses come from? Are they part of the design?" sure, how often should i repeat myself ? Viruses are part of Earth's designed ecosystem. Viruses regulate/control populations of Earth's species. E.g. mentioned T4 bacteriophage regulates/control a population of bacteria. Feel free to disagree, but then, you Darwinian should explain (using your Evo-theory), where the most abundant biological entity on Earth (viruses) come from. But here is an issue. Darwinian evolutionary theory and common descent concept does not work with viruses. What is more problematic, each virus is unique, so you have to explain the origin of each virus over and over ( a bigger issue than answering the origin-of-life question). Only recently, scientists found 200,000 new viruses never seen before... you Darwinians have a pretty huge problem ... i am just wondering, why nobody seems to concerned ... perhaps it is because lay Darwinians think, that scientists know where viruses come from ... but they DO NOT, they think something... there is no scientific theory (backed up by scientific evidence) on viruses-origin...martin_r
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Martin_r: Corona virus turned the World upside down, but no Darwinian talks about where the viruses comes from ? Where do you think viruses come from? Are they part of the design?JVL
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MatSpirit @5: " Saves embarrassment.", "you should learn more about how evolution actually works" Everytime i debate a Darwinian fanatic, i am getting schooled, that i don't know how evolution works. I bet, i know more about your Darwinian very absurd theory than you... I even run a blog, where you can see how absurd your theory is, and my blog also illustrates that you and the other Darwinians believe in miracles: http://www.stuffhappens.info (all blog's quotes are from mainstream Darwinian papers) Now back to bacteriophages: Yes, perhaps you found a Darwinian answer, but, in general, it still does not make any sense. T4 bacteriophage is only a chemical envelope with DNA molecule in it. No brain, no neurons and, it does not eat, and IT DOES NOT LIVE. Why should it replicate? Why should it hijack a replication machinery, and first of all, WHY SHOULD IT RELY ON SOMEONE ELSE IN ORDER TO REPRODUCE ? HOW IS THAT DARWINIAN ? DO YOU REALIZE, THAT DARWIN HAD NO IDEA THAT THERE IS SOMETHING LIKE VIRUSES? Let me use your same words "I don’t want to criticize, but if you can’t see this obvious fact ..." Indeed, you can't see the obvious fact, that NON-LIVING viruses were made to regulate the population of other species. You and other Darwinians can't see the obvious fact, that these things are pre-programmed nano-machines. NON-LIVING MACHINES. Let me remind you the title of the CELL's article: "T4 bacteriophage - DNA injection machine" PS: and one more rhetorical question regarding viruses ... what is the Darwinian theory good for, when it can't explain the existence of the most abundant biological entity on Earth - the existence of viruses ? (The existence of cellular life is 'explained' by a common ancestor, but viruses are completely different system, non-cellular, moreover, most viruses are unique - like a Darwinian would say - many evolutionary origins) Corona virus turned the World upside down, but no Darwinian talks about where the viruses comes from ?martin_r
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Martin_r: "Do you see any Darwinian reason why bacteriophages killing bacteria ?" Yes. They hijack the bacteria's molecular machinery to reproduce themselves. This kills the bacteria, but the phage has reproduced itself. I don't want to criticize, but if you can't see this obvious fact, perhaps you should learn more about how evolution actually works before commenting on it. Saves embarrassment.MatSpirit
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Pater Kimbridge it supposed to be "[viruses] created to control a population of bacteria [by killing it]" obviously, viruses are a crucial part of Earth's designed ecosystem. but could you answer my question ? Do you see any Darwinian reason why bacteriophages killing bacteria ?martin_r
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@martin_r "created to control bacteria" Yeah? How's that working out for them?Pater Kimbridge
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the very same moment T4 bacteriophage was discovered, Darwinian theory was falsified. These things clearly DOES NOT LIVE. These things are molecular machines - created for one reason - to kill bacteria - to control bacteria population. So simple is that. These things have no use from killing the bacteria. These things don't eat it, they kill it just for one reason - to control bacteria population. Or does anybody see any Darwinian reason why bacteriophages killing bacteria ? Viruses where created to control species population, that is why biologists will never find a common ancestor for T4 bacteriophages or any other virus - because viruses where created too ... That is why Darwinian evolutionary theory can't explain where the most abundant biological entities on Earth (viruses) come from. Darwin's common ancestor idea does not work with viruses. Darwin had no idea that there is something like viruses. Such a useless theory ... PS: even Darwinian clowns know, that T4 bacteriophage is an machine, here is a proof a mainstream article from 2004 titled: "The bacteriophage T4 DNA injection machine" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15093831/ Indeed, T4 bacteriophage, a DNA injection machine - THAT IS ALL WHAT IS IT !!!! A MACHINE !!!martin_r
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There's a lot of teleological and designy language in the paper: "It is fascinating how these phages have repurposed this system we thought of as bacterial or archaeal to use for their own benefit against their competition, " The author didn't even bother to say "have evolved to use..." Question: If these viruses are large, and commonly found in our mouth and gut, why didn't anyone see them before? And since "virologists" demonstrably don't know what's in our own mouths, why should we base policies like forced imprisonment and forced strangulation and genocide on the findings of "virology"?polistra
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