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Walter White: Consequentialist

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I am a big fan of television show Breaking Bad.  For those who are unfamiliar with the show, let me give a brief synopsis of the plot.  Walter White is a technically brilliant chemist but an underachiever at life (at least by his own lights).  He had a chance to make big money using his chemical skills, but instead he wound up teaching chemistry to bored high school students while moonlighting at a car wash to make ends meet.  He finds out he has lung cancer and probably only a short time to live.  This is especially devastating to him because he knows he will not leave enough money behind for his wife and children to live comfortably.

Here is where things get really interesting.  Walt’s brother-in-law Hank is a DEA agent.  When Walt goes on a “ride along” with Hank when he busts a meth lab, he learns there is a lot of money to be made in the meth business.  Walt decides he will provide for his family after he is dead by cooking and selling meth and building up a nest egg during the brief time he has left.  And since Walt is a brilliant chemist, he will not cook just any meth.  He will cook the best meth on the planet.  The remaining five seasons of the show explore the consequences of that decision.

The consequences are not good.  The series is about Walt’s downward spiral into evil.  Over the course of the series we watch a startling metamorphosis as Walt transforms himself from a likable but bumbling and timid nerd into a truly monstrous criminal capable of appalling acts of cruelty and violence.

Breaking Bad is at its core a show about ethics, a morality play if you will.  Philosophers speak of consequentialist/utilitarian ethics and deontological ethics.  Briefly, the consequentialist says that an act is “good” if it creates the greatest net happiness.  Jeremey Bentham put it this way:  “it is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong.”  Because the consequentialist focuses on “overall” happiness, he can justify doing “bad” if he believes the bad act will result in a net overall increase in happiness.  Deontological ethics, on the other hand, focuses on the “inherent” goodness of a particular act without regard to consequences.  Thus, it is never good to do evil, even if one believes that somehow a greater good can be achieved by doing evil.

An example might help to demonstrate the difference between the two approaches to ethics.  Let us say that we can be certain that a young child will grow up to be a serial killer.  The consequentialist would say we should murder the child in his crib, because that will increase overall net happiness.  The deontologicalist says that murdering an innocent child is evil and can never be justified on any ground.  The Latin legal phrase Fiat justitia ruat caelum (“Let justice be done though the heavens fall”) captures this approach to ethics.

Walter White is a consequentialist.  Over the course of the series he justifies every evil act by appeals to a “greater good” that will result from the evil he commits.  Producing illegal meth?  How else is he going to get enough money to leave his family a little nest egg?  Killing a captured drug dealer?  I have to kill him to cover my tracks and provide for my family.  By the end of the series Walt has committed numerous murders and even poisoned a young boy to further his own selfish ends, and every step of the way he says he is doing it “for the family.”

I applaud Breaking Bad’s writers for exposing Walt’s consequentialism for the lie that it is.  They do this in two ways.  First, they turn Walt’s own consequentialism on its head.  One of the reasons evil is so bad is that we cannot in fact cordon off the consequences of evil actions in an airtight compartment.  Things have a way of spinning out of control, and Breaking Bad works as a morality play, because it does not let Walt off the hook.  In the end Walt loses everything.  He loses his wife, his children, his home, his ill-gotten money, his friends, and, finally, his life.

Even more importantly, Breaking Bad exposes the consequentialist for a liar even to himself.  In the last episode Walt, knowing he is about to die, is saying goodbye to his wife Skyler:

Walt:  “I just wanted to say that everything I’ve done . . .

Skyler:  “Stop!  Just stop!  I will scream if I have to listen to you say one more time you did everything for the family!”

Walt:  “No, that is not what I was going to say.  I did it for me.  I did it because I like it.  I was good at it, and it made me feel alive.”

That 30 seconds of dialogue is the crowning achievement of the five seasons of an already fabulous series, and my hat is off to the producers and writers.

In the end Walt finally admits that he had been lying all along.  He didn’t do evil to achieve a greater good.  He did evil to achieve his own selfish ends.  And that, dear readers, is a lesson that every consequentialist who has ever tried to justify his evil acts by sanguine appeals to a “greater good” should learn.  You say you want to do evil to achieve good?  I’m not buying it.  You want to do evil because you want to do evil.  Stop lying to me and, more importantly, stop lying to yourself.

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CS, let's ask ourselves a deeper question and ask if there actually are two different eternities in reality (a Heaven and a Hell) for us to be concerned about where our souls could possibly go upon death? The answer to that question is Yes!
Albert Einstein - Special Relativity - Insight Into Eternity - 'thought experiment' video http://www.metacafe.com/w/6545941/ "The laws of relativity have changed timeless existence from a theological claim to a physical reality. Light, you see, is outside of time, a fact of nature proven in thousands of experiments at hundreds of universities. I don’t pretend to know how tomorrow can exist simultaneously with today and yesterday. But at the speed of light they actually and rigorously do. Time does not pass." Richard Swenson - More Than Meets The Eye, Chpt. 12
It is also very interesting to note that we have two very different ‘eternities of time’ revealed by our time dilation experiments. One ‘eternity’ for being deeper in a gravitation well and another ‘eternity’ for accelerating towards the speed of light:
Time dilation Excerpt: Time dilation: special vs. general theories of relativity: In Albert Einstein's theories of relativity, time dilation in these two circumstances can be summarized: 1. --In special relativity (or, hypothetically far from all gravitational mass), clocks that are moving with respect to an inertial system of observation are measured to be running slower. (i.e. For any observer accelerating, hypothetically, to the speed of light, time, as we understand it, will come to a complete stop). 2.--In general relativity, clocks at lower potentials in a gravitational field—such as in closer proximity to a planet—are found to be running slower. per wikipedia
i.e. As with any observer accelerating to the speed of light, it is found that for any observer falling into the event horizon of a black hole, that time, as we understand it, will come to a complete stop for them. — But of particular interest to the ‘eternal framework’ found for General Relativity at black holes;… It is interesting to note that entropic decay (Randomness), which is the primary reason why things grow old and eventually die in this universe, is found to be greatest at black holes. Thus the ‘eternity of time’ at black holes can rightly be called ‘eternities of decay and/or eternities of destruction’.
Roger Penrose – How Special Was The Big Bang? “But why was the big bang so precisely organized, whereas the big crunch (or the singularities in black holes) would be expected to be totally chaotic? It would appear that this question can be phrased in terms of the behaviour of the WEYL part of the space-time curvature at space-time singularities. What we appear to find is that there is a constraint WEYL = 0 (or something very like this) at initial space-time singularities-but not at final singularities-and this seems to be what confines the Creator’s choice to this very tiny region of phase space."
i.e. Black Holes are found to be ‘timeless’ singularities of destruction and disorder rather than singularities of creation and order such as the extreme order we see at the creation event of the Big Bang. Needless to say, the implications of this ‘eternality of destruction’ should be fairly disturbing for those of us who are of the ‘spiritually minded' persuasion!
Matthew 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
It is also very interesting to note that this strange higher dimensional, eternal, framework for time, found in both special relativity and general relativity, finds corroboration in Near Death Experience testimonies:
'In the 'spirit world,,, instantly, there was no sense of time. See, everything on earth is related to time. You got up this morning, you are going to go to bed tonight. Something is new, it will get old. Something is born, it's going to die. Everything on the physical plane is relative to time, but everything in the spiritual plane is relative to eternity. Instantly I was in total consciousness and awareness of eternity, and you and I as we live in this earth cannot even comprehend it, because everything that we have here is filled within the veil of the temporal life. In the spirit life that is more real than anything else and it is awesome. Eternity as a concept is awesome. There is no such thing as time. I knew that whatever happened was going to go on and on.' Mickey Robinson - Near Death Experience testimony - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4045544
It is also very interesting to point out that the 'light at the end of the tunnel', reported in many Near Death Experiences(NDEs), is also corroborated by Special Relativity when considering the optical effects for traveling at the speed of light. Please compare the similarity of the optical effect, noted at the 3:22 minute mark of the following video, when the 3-Dimensional world ‘folds and collapses’ into a tunnel shape around the direction of travel as a 'hypothetical' observer moves towards the ‘higher dimension’ of the speed of light, with the ‘light at the end of the tunnel’ reported in very many Near Death Experiences: (Of note: This following video was made by two Australian University Physics Professors with a supercomputer.)
Approaching The Speed Of Light - Optical Effects - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5733303/
Here is a Near Death Testimony of someone accelerating through that tunnel:
“I was in a body, and the only way that I can describe it was a body of energy, or of light. And this body had a form. It had a head, it had arms and it had legs. And it was like it was made out of light. And it was everything that was me. All of my memories, my consciousness, everything.”,,, “And then this vehicle formed itself around me. Vehicle is the only thing, or tube, or something, but it was a mode of transportation that’s for sure! And it formed around me. And there was no one in it with me. I was in it alone. But I knew there were other people ahead of me and behind me. What they were doing I don’t know, but there were people ahead of me and people behind me, but I was alone in my particular conveyance. And I could see out of it. And it went at a tremendously, horrifically, rapid rate of speed. But it wasn’t unpleasant. It was beautiful in fact. I was reclining in this thing, I wasn’t sitting straight up, but I wasn’t lying down either. I was sitting back. And it was just so fast. I can’t even begin to tell you where it went or whatever it was just fast!" – Vicki’s NDE – Blind since birth - quote taken from testimony on radio interview
here is another testimony of moving through the tunnel
I started to move toward the light. The way I moved, the physics, was completely different than it is here on Earth. It was something I had never felt before and never felt since. It was a whole different sensation of motion. I obviously wasn't walking or skipping or crawling. I was not floating. I was flowing. I was flowing toward the light. I was accelerating and I knew I was accelerating, but then again, I didn't really feel the acceleration. I just knew I was accelerating toward the light. Again, the physics was different - the physics of motion of time, space, travel. It was completely different in that tunnel, than it is here on Earth. I came out into the light and when I came out into the light, I realized that I was in heaven. Barbara Springer
As well, as with the 'scientifically' verified tunnel for special relativity, we also have scientific confirmation of extreme ‘tunnel curvature’, within space-time, to a eternal ‘event horizon’ at black holes. Here is a visualization of that evidence:
Space-Time of a Black hole http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0VOn9r4dq8
As well, as with the tunnel being mentioned in heavenly NDE's, we also have mention of tunnels in hellish NDE testimonies. A man, near the beginning of this video, gives testimony of falling down a 'tunnel' in the transition stage from this world to hell:
Hell - A Warning! - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4131476/
The man, in this following video, also speaks of 'tumbling down' a tunnel in his transition stage to hell:
Bill Wiese on Sid Roth – video http://vimeo.com/21230371
But, as you can see if you watched the preceding short videos, there is no mention of the extreme acceleration in the tunnel as was with the positive near death experiences. The way I have reconciled this discrepancy between the two types of tunnels is to note that in the bible 'Hades' is referred to as being different from hell. In fact death and ‘Hades’ are both thrown into hell, i.e. thrown into ‘the lake of fire’, at the final judgement according to the bible:
Revelation 20:13-15 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
That even this nuanced discrepancy from physics should line up with the two different types of NDE testimonies and with what is stated in Scripture is impressive. These consistent findings, that corroborate NDE testimonies, especially the hellish NDE tunnels and blackholes, should be fairly concerning for those of us of a 'spiritual' leaning,,, at least it concerns me very much that physics would reveal a reality to us that would get all details right as to our eternal destinies. Perhaps we should consider eternity a little more carefully?
Illustration of ETERNITY - Francis Chan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWk7RUg3ZV4
Music:
Hillsong - Mighty to Save - With Subtitles/Lyrics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-08YZF87OBQ
bornagain77
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BA: And again you presuppose more knowledge than God which is a funny thing for someone who claims to be a non-atheist to presuppose.
Firstly, you assume I'm a Bible literalist and inerrantist. I am not. Second, what I will say to you is: fair enough. You are Barry disagree. You do not believe that killing innocent babies is always evil. Barry does. (He's said so in various posts over that last year or so.) Barry believes that "the holocaust was objectively evil. What’s more, nightlight knows it was objectively evil. And if he says otherwise he is a liar." Apparently you do not believe that killing innocent babies is objectively evil, or you would denounce the killing of innocent babies because of it's objective evil nature, in the same way Barry is denouncing the Holocaust. Either evil is object or it isn't. Barry thinks it is. You think it isn't. Fair enough. You can ignore my comments, then, because they were directed to Barry. He acknowledges the Tao. You apparently do not.CentralScrutinizer
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CS asks: "Why wouldn’t Yahweh just tell the Israelites to adopt the innocent babies and children instead of killing them?" And again you presuppose more knowledge than God which is a funny thing for someone who claims to be a non-atheist to presuppose. Moreover, though I provided context for the justification of the conquest (hundreds of years of child sacrifices to false idols), you ignored all that context for justification in order to call God's (and the Israelites) actions evil. Justification is not a word in your dictionary is it? The Parable of the Tenants Matthew 21 33 “Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place. 34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit. 35 “The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said. 38 “But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. 40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?” 41 “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”bornagain77
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You see, here's the problem that I'm trying to get you and Barry to come to grips with: if you're really and truly going to believe the Bible, and also make statements condemning the killing of innocent babies because it's always evil to do so, and then turn right around and justify the killing of innocent babies contra your own statements and feelings about the killing of innocent babies, then your feelings are not reliable and no basis for your argument. And so "the Tao" gets kicked out the door. So choose one: 1. The killing of innocent babies is always evil, including the killing of Canaanite babies. 2. Or else stop making statements that the killing of innocent babies is always evil. You Bible literalists need to at least try to be consistent.CentralScrutinizer
October 3, 2013
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BA @ 23, Was the killing of innocent Canaanite children by the Israelites evil? Your answer is no. Unbelievable. Why wouldn't Yahweh just tell the Israelites to adopt the innocent babies and children instead of killing them? P.S. I'm not an atheist. P.P.S To quote Barry, again, “One who will not stand up and say unequivocally that unspeakable evil is unspeakable evil is himself evil.”CentralScrutinizer
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CS, yes the child sacrifices of the Canaanites to their false pagan idols for hundreds of years prior to the Israelite conquest was unspeakably evil. Was the living God unjust to bring an end to that unspeakably evil, and unrepentant, culture by commanding that it be destroyed in its entirety by his people? No, just as God is not unjust to destroy the wicked in hell for eternity. To claim otherwise, as Peter Williams pointed out in his lecture on the Canaanites, one would have to believe he possessed more knowledge than God. An attribute which apparently most atheists have no problem imagining they possess. Myself, I'm not nearly so impressed with the foolishness of atheists!bornagain77
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BA @ 21, Was the killing of innocent children evil? Yes or no? To quote Barry, "One who will not stand up and say unequivocally that unspeakable evil is unspeakable evil is himself evil."CentralScrutinizer
October 3, 2013
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CentralScrutinizer, Many times atheists, even though they cannot ground objective morality within their worldview, will try to claim that God, as He is portrayed in the Old Testament, is morally evil. In fact Richard Dawkins, in his cowardly refusal to debate William Lane Craig, upon Craig's tour of the UK in the fall of 2011, said he would not debate Craig because Craig supported genocide/infanticide in the Bible. This tactic, to try to cover his cowardice to debate Craig, backfired terribly for Dawkins! Richard Dawkins Approves Infanticide, not William Lane Craig! (mirror: drcraigvideos) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmodkyJvhFo More detailed analysis here (Is God a Moral Monster?) Peter J Williams on New Atheists & Old Testament (incl. The Canaanites) – video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulCbh_1SlwE This video I found to be very enlightening as to the overall topic Tim Keller- Hell: Isn't the God of Christianity an angry Judge? - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmTAotnklKIbornagain77
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Nightlight @ 18. I will perhaps take you seriously when you admit that one cannot not know that the holocaust was evil.
Good point. However, Barry, you will equally denounce the genocide of the Canaanites (particularly of innocent children) at the hands of the Israelites as evil?CentralScrutinizer
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Nightlight @ 18. I will perhaps take you seriously when you admit that one cannot not know that the holocaust was evil. Until then, you are just another lying poseur with inflated views of his own intellectual prowess. And you are evil. You say the holocaust was the result of nothing but a flawed “evaluation” on the part of the Nazis. One who will not stand up and say unequivocally that unspeakable evil is unspeakable evil is himself evil.Barry Arrington
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@Barry Arrington #16
Consider nighlight @ 10. He goes on for just north of 1,000 words in an incoherent rant that he sums up with "in the end ya just can't know." Well, yes you can know.
While it is true that I will evaluate most decisions and events similarly to you and others here, the difference is that you believe to posses the solution manual to the global harmonization problem (finding solution to the "maximum good" utility function) while I am certain that I don't and that no such manual with correct solutions even exists since universe is still computing it in earnest, the best it can, at all scales and all places, from physical through social levels (as explained in the earlier post). Had the 'chief programmer of the universe' known the correct solution, he wouldn't have bothered creating and running this massive distributed computational process which we call universe, to solve it. Why go to all the trouble with the resulting pain and suffering if you already have the correct answer with 'how it ought to be' at the back of the book. Speaking of incoherence, that would be incoherent, to say nothing of concluding that the "maximum good" evaluation algorithm that just happens to be presently running in the tiny speck of the universe that contains "you" already has The Solution. Lucky you. The gold medal must be on its way. As noted before, that is a common confusion between the map and the territory, mistaking the certainty you may feel at the endpoint of the evaluations within your internal model of the universe with the endpoint that the universe itself is still working out (through computations done by you, me, along with everyone and everything else).nightlight
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What’s more, nightlight knows it was objectively evil. And if he says otherwise he is a liar. But not Elizabeth Liddle, Oh no, she's not a liar.
Mung
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“He could be construed as a consequentialist only in the sense that he could be interpreted as appealing to consequentialism as part of his own massive self-deception.” KN, that is the point I was trying to make. All consequentialists are deceiving themselves. There are some things that one cannot not know. Consider nighlight @ 10. He goes on for just north of 1,000 words in an incoherent rant that he sums up with “in the end ya just can’t know.” Well, yes you can know. Take this gem for instance: “The cases of (war) atrocities, whether those from recent history or ancient ones, are result of different evaluations by the opposing sides in the conflict.” What is the point of that sentence? The Nazis’ efforts to exterminate the Jews certainly resulted from a “different evaluation” than the forces opposing them. So what? Again, the holocaust was objectively evil. What’s more, nightlight knows it was objectively evil. And if he says otherwise he is a liar.Barry Arrington
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Nightlight at #10 That is a spectacularly meaningless post. Grounded or founded upon - nothing that I could discern.butifnot
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nightlight, well played. I didn't know that one. "ain't it just like a human?" He did express it very well. This IDist fanatacism will pass.Gregory
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One minor problem with using Walter White as demonstrating the incoherence of consequentialism: at the very end of the series, he admits that he is an amoral hedonist. He could be construed as a consequentialist only in the sense that he could be interpreted as appealing to consequentialism as part of his own massive self-deception. But likewise, he could be interpreted as self-deceived deontologist -- someone who thinks that his unconditional obligation to provide for his family overrides his own desires.* Come to think of it, I think any ethical theory could be co-opted for post hoc rationalizations and ad hoc explanations by self-deceived amoralists (i.e. someone who is not concerned with morality but thinks that they are, or someone who pursues evil but thinks that they are pursuing the good). So if it's a problem with consequentialism that Walter can pervert it, that's not a problem unique to consequentialism. * In Eichmann in Jerusalem, Arendt reports that Eichmann thought of himself as a good Kantian!Kantian Naturalist
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Well, thanks Gregory. At the risk of being confused with another poster here, this song and verse express the same much better than I ever could.nightlight
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Very well said, nightlight. “maximize happiness around you” If only Barry would agree with you, even if you (and many of us) reject his beloved IDism.Gregory
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@Barry Arrington #4
You express your nihilism very candidly.
All decisions are result of some evaluation (computation), conscious or unconscious. Pointing the obvious commonality obfuscated behind the vague terminology and concepts has nothing to do with nihilism. Namely, I didn't claim that all evaluation algorithms (individual or uniform, universal) are equally effective in computing the "maximum total good" function, which would amount to obliterating all distinctions and thus be a nihilism. In fact, my view is that common algorithms (universal morality) work better than the ad hoc DIY algorithms in vast majority of instances since they contribute more to mutual predictability in social interactions (which is a useful subgoal of the primary, more remote goal of "maximizing total good"), hence to general social harmonization (the state of "maximum total good"). Due to computational complexity of the problem, none of the present or past social orders have reached the fully harmonized state (the optimum of the utility function "maximum total good"). All we have are imperfect solutions and various heuristic techniques to improve "maximum good" locally in time and space since our horizons (computational capacity) are limited. Besides heuristics of "universal ethics", there are various specialized heuristics that can override it, exceptions to the general rules. History is full of examples of such overrides, from events recorded in the Bible and other ancient documents to modern day events. Until the optimal social harmonization problem is solved (the human society enters Teilhard de Chardin's "Omega Point"), we have to do with the next best option which is to combine general rules with the exceptions the best we can. While the general rules are easy and simple to apply, evaluating exceptions is the hard work. As the solutions improve and societies become more harmonized, the number of exceptions will diminish. Note that even for the lower level systems, such as cells or biological organisms, where the harmonization problem has been worked out much farther than we have at the social level, the "maximum total good" is not synonymous with "no harm to any cell" (e.g. cellular apoptosis, self-sacrifice of immune cells, aging and death of organisms, etc.). Until the harmonization puzzle is solved at all scales and at all levels of organization, no individual subsystem can enjoy a stable optimal solution. Universe is a harmonization project in progress with no solution manual available. Otherwise we would have been solved away by now, left in a permanent bliss of an electron (see the second half of this post for TOC on what that is about).
So torturing babies for fun is not inherently wrong. I think it is wrong only because by sheer random chance I happened to be inculcated in a "don't torture babies for fun" society.
Killing or harming or general destruction will as a rule diminish the "maximum total good", hence it is generally a poor algorithmic subgoal, with occasional exceptions due to special circumstances. Therefore, the aversion (a generalized "pain", unhappiness...) to such actions is hardwired in all life. We are programmed to feel bad when we harm someone or destroy something, even when we do it deliberately. Generally, the more complex pattern being destroyed, the greater "pain" we will feel. Even the so-called non-live nature manifests the analogous urge in the form of various conservation laws (energy, momentum, charge,...). One of my kids freaks out about spiders and any time she sees a spider in the house she screams calling me to kill it. I just take the little bugger with a tissue and carry it outside. Although she doesn't like harming other creatures and never does it by herself, her biologically built in aversion to harming was overridden by the acute fear of being harmed by the spider, hence she calls me to kill it, the only solution to "maximizing total good" that her inexperienced young mind can come up with. The most effective general heuristic I have found is "maximize happiness around you" (as far as effects of my actions go) without weighing my own happiness or pleasure above that of anyone else (i.e. the way internalize the golden rule). In this case, the small risk of getting stung by a spider which would temporarily diminish my happiness, was heavily outweighed by the aversion to permanently destroying such little marvel of nature. Such evaluation always comes down to mentally running through possible paths, as well and as far as one can do, and weighing within ones mental model the total "pain" (unhappiness etc) and total "pleasure" (happiness, etc) each would cause. Of course, one wouldn't consciously run through such evaluations every time, but would reuse a library of previously evaluated instances. The novel circumstances should be evaluated deliberately, and rechecked later, until the best solution for that type of instance settles in.
"In either case, the evaluation ends up working itself out in the built in biological pleasure-pain circuits and in both cases doing good feels good, doing evil feels bad." I evaluate the holocaust as wrong only because contemplating the murder of millions triggers a pain circuit in my brain? No. The holocaust was wrong in the objective sense of word, and if I were the only person in the world who considered the holocaust to be wrong, I would be right and everyone else in the world would be wrong.
The above confuses the endpoints of the evaluation algorithm (which terminates at the inner pain-pleasure or happiness-unhappiness feel) with the real world counterpart (actual total happiness-unhappiness caused) of the utility function being evaluated ("maximum total good"). The former is the endpoint in our inner mental model of the world, while the latter refers to actual real world itself i.e. it's the confusion between the map and the territory. The cases of (war) atrocities, whether those from recent history or ancient ones, are result of different evaluations by the opposing sides in the conflict. Since there is no solution manual of the harmonization problem of the universe to tell you what is the "correct" answer, one has to rely on the heuristics of judging them "by their fruits" i.e. re-evaluating the "maximum total good" after the consequences have worked themselves out. While hindsight does not directly solve the present problems, the learning resulting from such re-evaluation process is useful.nightlight
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“Mill tries to have it both ways” As has everyone else who has ever argued that one can have ethics without hewing to a core of inviolable rules of virtue (the “Tao,” as CS Lewis uses that word in the Abolition of Man). Invariably they will kick the Tao out the front door, only to smuggle it in again through the back door.Barry Arrington
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It seems to me that your nuanced consequentialist is trying to have his cake and eat it too. What does it mean to have a virtuous character? It means nothing if not that one obeys the golden rule or the categorical imperative or whatever you want to call the core of the deontological ethic. So you are saying one can be a good consequentialist only if one is a good deontological.
Yes, something like that. If I recall correctly, Mill tries to have it both ways just like this in Utilitarianism. Kant, on the other hand, doesn't think that consideration of consequences is even relevant for moral appraisal, though it is relevant to legal status. (This comes out clearly in his "On the Supposed Right to Lie".) I like teaching that essay because it conflicts with our intuitions that consequences must matter somehow. (I say that as someone who is basically aligned with deontology rather than with consequentialism, although there's a lot in contemporary virtue ethics that I appreciate and admire.)Kantian Naturalist
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KN @ 3: “I’m not sure we’re supposed to believe that Walt is a virtuous person even from the very beginning of the series. As we learn more about his past over the series, I find it harder to believe that he was ever a good person. He’s nice, which is hardly the same thing.” Just so.Barry Arrington
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KN @ 3: “On the other hand, a more nuanced consequentialist might say that consideration of likely and unlikely, favorable and unfavorable consequences is necessary but not sufficient for moral choice, because one must still need to have a virtuous character.” It seems to me that your nuanced consequentialist is trying to have his cake and eat it too. What does it mean to have a virtuous character? It means nothing if not that one obeys the golden rule or the categorical imperative or whatever you want to call the core of the deontological ethic. So you are saying one can be a good consequentialist only if one is a good deontological.Barry Arrington
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There is another form of consequentialism that isn't as easy to refute, and it goes like this: Society has yet to learn that brilliant but chronically underachieving individuals, who happen to know that they have a limited amount/quality of life remaining, are inherently dangerous. Who will teach society this vital lesson, in a language it can understand?DarelRex
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nightlight @ 3: You express your nihilism very candidly. Fortunately for the rest of us, there is no warrant for one even to suspect your statements to be true, and your tone of smug certitude is even less warranted. Let’s explore your statements. “The only difference between the two types of ethics is who evaluates “the greatest good” utility function, whether it is each individual for his own actions or some centralized authority for everyone (church, prophets, philosophers,…).” So torturing babies for fun is not inherently wrong. I think it is wrong only because by sheer random chance I happened to be inculcated in a “don’t torture babies for fun” society. If I had been brought up in another society where torturing babies for fun is applauded, it would not only be morally right but lauded and appreciated. We both know that’s not true. “In either case, the evaluation ends up working itself out in the built in biological pleasure-pain circuits and in both cases doing good feels good, doing evil feels bad.” I evaluate the holocaust as wrong only because contemplating the murder of millions triggers a pain circuit in my brain? No. The holocaust was wrong in the objective sense of word, and if I were the only person in the world who considered the holocaust to be wrong, I would be right and everyone else in the world would be wrong.Barry Arrington
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Vince Gilligan is reported to have said that the show is about the transformation of Mr. Chips into Scarface. So if the criticism here is that consequentialism by itself won't prevent Mr. Chips from becoming Scarface, I'm right there with you. On the other hand, a more nuanced consequentialist might say that consideration of likely and unlikely, favorable and unfavorable consequences is necessary but not sufficient for moral choice, because one must still need to have a virtuous character. I'm not sure we're supposed to believe that Walt is a virtuous person even from the very beginning of the series. As we learn more about his past over the series, I find it harder to believe that he was ever a good person. He's nice, which is hardly the same thing.Kantian Naturalist
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The only difference between the two types of ethics is who evaluates "the greatest good" utility function, whether it is each individual for his own actions or some centralized authority for everyone (church, prophets, philosophers,...). In the latter case, the common ethics is taught from childhood and internalized as ones own. In either case, the evaluation ends up working itself out in the built in biological pleasure-pain circuits and in both cases doing good feels good, doing evil feels bad. The only difference is whether an ad hoc program kludged by each one for himself or a common program (from an ethical authority) is used for the preprocessing of the inputs to the internal pleasure-pain circuits.nightlight
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Great show, one I will certainly watch again.tragic mishap
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