We know too many ways life could have got started?

Moreover, as if all that was not bad enough for the materialists who would like to explain the Origin of Life without recourse to God, it is now found that Photosynthetic life has been on earth for as long water has been on the face of the earth. i.e. we now have evidence for photosynthetic life suddenly appearing on earth, as soon as water appeared on the earth, in the oldest sedimentary rocks ever found on earth.

The Sudden Appearance Of Photosynthetic Life On Earth - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4262918 When Did Life on Earth Begin? Ask a Rock (3.85 bya) http://www.astrobio.net/exclusive/293/ When did oxygenic photosynthesis evolve? - Roger Buick - 2008 Excerpt:,, U–Pb data from ca 3.8?Ga metasediments suggest that this metabolism could have arisen by the start of the geological record. Hence, the hypothesis that oxygenic photosynthesis evolved well before the atmosphere became permanently oxygenated seems well supported. http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/363/1504/2731.long

Moreover, there are no prebiotic chemical signature before that time:

Dr. Hugh Ross - Origin Of Life Paradox (No prebiotic chemical signatures)- video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4012696 "We get that evidence from looking at carbon 12 to carbon 13 analysis. And it tells us that in Earth's oldest (sedimentary) rock, which dates at 3.80 billion years ago, we find an abundance for the carbon signature of living systems. Namely, that life prefers carbon 12. And so if you see a higher ratio of carbon 12 to carbon 13 that means that carbon has been processed by life. And it is that kind of evidence that tells us that life has been abundant on earth as far back as 3.80 billion years ago (when water was first present on earth).,,, And that same carbon 12 to carbon 13 analysis tells us that planet earth, over it entire 4.5662 billion year history has never had prebiotics. Prebiotics would have a higher ratio of carbon 13 to carbon 12. All the carbonaceous material, we see in the entire geological record of the earth, has the signature of being post-biotic not pre-biotic. Which means planet earth never had a primordial soup. And the origin of life on earth took place in a geological instant" (as soon as it was possible for life to exist on earth). - Hugh Ross - quote as stated in preceding video

Moreover, on top of that, it is now found that a 'non-local', beyond space and time, cause is needed to explain the how photons are captured in the initial stages of the photosynthetic process;

Quantum Mechanics Explains Efficiency of Photosynthesis - Jan. 9, 2014 Excerpt: Previous experiments suggest that energy is transferred in a wave-like manner, exploiting quantum phenomena, but crucially, a non-classical explanation could not be conclusively proved as the phenomena identified could equally be described using classical physics.,,, Now, a team at UCL have attempted to identify features in these biological systems which can only be predicted by quantum physics, and for which no classical analogues exist. ,,,said Alexandra Olaya-Castro (UCL Physics & Astronomy), supervisor and co-author of the research. "We found that the properties of some of the chromophore vibrations that assist energy transfer during photosynthesis can never be described with classical laws, and moreover, this non-classical behaviour enhances the efficiency of the energy transfer.",,, Other biomolecular processes such as the transfer of electrons within macromolecules (like in reaction centres in photosynthetic systems), the structural change of a chromophore upon absorption of photons (like in vision processes) or the recognition of a molecule by another (as in olfaction processes), are influenced by specific vibrational motions. The results of this research therefore suggest that a closer examination of the vibrational dynamics involved in these processes could provide other biological prototypes exploiting truly non-classical phenomena,, http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140109092008.htm

At the 21:00 minute mark of the following video, Dr Suarez explains why photosynthesis needs a 'non-local', beyond space and time, cause to explain its effect:

Nonlocality of Photosynthesis - Antoine Suarez - video - 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhMrrmlTXl4&feature=player_detailpage#t=1268s

Moreover, the overall characteristics of a photon, when examined in detail, gives us strong evidence as to Who this non-local cause for photosynthesis must be:

A few notes on the theistic implications of photosynthesis and on light itself: Excerpt: Now, I find the preceding to be absolutely fascinating! Light is found in our experiments with special relativity to be ‘eternal’. As well, a photon, in its quantum wave state, is found to be mathematically defined as a ‘infinite-dimensional’ state, which ‘requires an infinite amount of information’ to describe it properly, can be encoded with information in its 'infinite dimensional' state, and this ‘infinite dimensional’ photon is found to collapse, instantaneously, and thus 'non-locally', to just a '1 or 0' state, out of a infinite number of possibilities that the photon could have collapsed to instead! Moreover, consciousness is found to precede the collapse of the wavefunction of the photon to its particle state. Moreover, a non-local, beyond space and time, cause is needed to explain the 'harvesting of energy' in photosynthesis. Energy that all other complex biological life on earth is ultimately dependent on. Now my question to materialistic atheists is this, "Exactly what ’cause’ has been postulated throughout history to be completely independent of any space-time constraints (eternal), as well as possessing infinite knowledge, so as to be the ‘sufficient cause’ to explain what we see in the quantum wave collapse of a photon and in the non-local quantum coherence of photosynthesis??? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_uX1w_iUOD3O8F-GvbkfG2GKuAunQuYRssSMb_t5kB8/edit

Of related note: It is also very interesting to note that once light is harnessed by photosynthesis into ATP, then that light is somehow, amazingly, by some as of yet un-elucidated mechanism, regenerated within organisms as biological 'laser' light:

Cellular Communication through Light Excerpt: Information transfer is a life principle. On a cellular level we generally assume that molecules are carriers of information, yet there is evidence for non-molecular information transfer due to endogenous coherent light. This light is ultra-weak, is emitted by many organisms, including humans and is conventionally described as biophoton emission. http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0005086 Biophotons - The Light In Our Cells - Marco Bischof - March 2005 Excerpt page 2: The Coherence of Biophotons: ,,, Biophotons consist of light with a high degree of order, in other words, biological laser light. Such light is very quiet and shows an extremely stable intensity, without the fluctuations normally observed in light. Because of their stable field strength, its waves can superimpose, and by virtue of this, interference effects become possible that do not occur in ordinary light. Because of the high degree of order, the biological laser light is able to generate and keep order and to transmit information in the organism. http://www.international-light-association.eu/PDF/Biophotons.pdf

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Not to disagree with Joe's 'Four Paradoxes' reference, in fact it is in complete harmony with the 'Four Paradoxes' reference, but I find one of the main insurmountable 'brick wall' problems surrounding the OOL issue, for materialists, the problem that most directly necessitates the need to appeal to God to explain the OOL issue, is the problem of how to harness energy so as perform useful work, instead of the unharnessed energy increasing disorder as it usually does. Unharnessed energy, despite what Darwinists have adamantly claimed to the contrary with their 'just so' 'compensation argument',,,

Granville Sewell Defends his Arguments on the Second Law of Thermodynamics - Casey Luskin - August 22, 2013 Excerpt: Sewell concludes "The 'compensation' counter-argument was produced by people who generalized the model equation for isolated systems, but forgot to generalize the equation for non-isolated systems." His generalized model would be as follows: "If an increase in order is extremely improbable when a system is closed, it is still extremely improbable when the system is open, unless something is entering which makes it not extremely improbable." http://www.evolutionnews.org/2013/08/in_bio-complexi075561.html

,,, Unharnessed energy, in reality, despite concerted Darwinian attempts to sweep this monumental problem under the rug through intimidation and censorship,,

How the Scientific Consensus is Maintained -- and How it Can be Challenged - Granville Sewell - September 3, 2013 Conclusion: the journal BIO-Complexity has just published my new article "Entropy and Evolution," which I believe contains the strongest and clearest presentation of my viewpoint to date. The first thought that will occur to many people who read it will be, how could this illogical compensation argument have gone unchallenged for so long in the scientific literature? Well, now you know how. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2013/09/how_the_scienti_1076101.html

,,, Unharnessed energy, in reality, greatly exasperates the entropy problem instead of alleviates it. This 'common sense' video gets this readily apparent fact across quite clearly:

Evolution Vs. Thermodynamics - Open System Refutation - Thomas Kindell - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4143014

Yet harnessing energy to do useful work in the cell, instead of increasing disorder, through Photosynthesis, is found to be a breathtakingly integrated process,,

Scientists unlock some key secrets of photosynthesis - July 2, 2012 Excerpt: "The photosynthetic system of plants is nature's most elaborate nanoscale biological machine," said Lakshmi. "It converts light energy at unrivaled efficiency of more than 95 percent compared to 10 to 15 percent in the current man-made solar technologies.,, "Photosystem II is the engine of life," Lakshmi said. "It performs one of the most energetically demanding reactions known to mankind, splitting water, with remarkable ease and efficiency.",,, "Water is a very stable molecule and it takes four photons of light to split water," she said. "This is a challenge for chemists and physicists around the world (to imitate) as the four-photon reaction has very stringent requirements." http://phys.org/news/2012-07-scientists-key-secrets-photosynthesis.html The 10 Step Glycolysis Pathway In ATP Production: An Overview - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kn6BVGqKd8

At the 6:00 minute mark of the following video, Chris Ashcraft, PhD – molecular biology, gives us an overview of the Citric Acid Cycle, which is, after the 10 step Glycolysis Pathway, also involved in ATP production:

Evolution vs ATP Synthase - Molecular Machine - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4012706

Moreover, photosynthesis appeared multiple times in different bacteria 'with no apparent pattern of evolution'

"The ability to do photosynthesis is widely distributed throughout the bacterial domain in six different phyla, with no apparent pattern of evolution. Photosynthetic phyla include the cyanobacteria, proteobacteria (purple bacteria), green sulfur bacteria (GSB), firmicutes (heliobacteria), filamentous anoxygenic phototrophs (FAPs, also often called the green nonsulfur bacteria), and acidobacteria (Raymond, 2008)."

Even the ATP machine itself at the heart of the photosynthesic process is found to be breathtaking in its integrated complexity and efficiency,,,

The ATP Synthase Enzyme - an exquisite motor necessary for first life - 2013 video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI8m6o0gXDY ATP: The Perfect Energy Currency for the Cell - Jerry Bergman, Ph.D. Excerpt: In manufacturing terms, the ATP (Synthase) molecule is a machine with a level of organization on the order of a research microscope or a standard television (Darnell, Lodish, and Baltimore, 1996). http://www.trueorigin.org/atp.asp Your Motor/Generators Are 100% Efficient – October 2011 Excerpt: ATP synthase astounds again. The molecular machine that generates almost all the ATP (molecular “energy pellets”) for all life was examined by Japanese scientists for its thermodynamic efficiency. By applying and measuring load on the top part that synthesizes ATP, they were able to determine that one cannot do better at getting work out of a motor,,, The article was edited by noted Harvard expert on the bacterial flagellum, Howard Berg. http://crev.info/content/111014-your_motor_generators

bornagain77

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Origin of Life Faces Four Paradoxes:

We have failed in any continuous way to provide a recipe that gets from the simple molecules that we know were present on early Earth to RNA. There is a discontinuous model which has many pieces, many of which have experimental support, but we’re up against these three or four paradoxes, which you and I have talked about in the past. The first paradox is the tendency of organic matter to devolve and to give tar. If you can avoid that, you can start to try to assemble things that are not tarry, but then you encounter the water problem, which is related to the fact that every interesting bond that you want to make is unstable, thermodynamically, with respect to water. If you can solve that problem, you have the problem of entropy, that any of the building blocks are going to be present in a low concentration; therefore, to assemble a large number of those building blocks, you get a gene-like RNA — 100 nucleotides long — that fights entropy. And the fourth problem is that even if you can solve the entropy problem, you have a paradox that RNA enzymes, which are maybe catalytically active, are more likely to be active in the sense that destroys RNA rather than creates RNA.

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January 21, 2014

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Love it News:

A million ways to bell a cat but not one that doesn’t include dealing directly with the cat.

That is a beautiful analogy News! Too funny! Perhaps if scientists want to explain the origin of life, instead of imagining that a million different ways, that have all resoundingly failed somehow gets them closer to explaining how life arose, they might, finally, come to their collective senses and actually deal directly with One who is the source of all life? You know the One who defeated death on the cross so that we may have eternal life???

Acts 2:24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.

Perhaps the reason why these OOL scientists (or all men in General) don't ever truly look for the source of all life is for the very same basic reason that the mice don't want to deal directly with the Cat? They fear, deep down, because of unresolved sin in their lives, that God is somehow out to 'get them'? But far from the Cat that would seek to destroy us if we got close to it, God wants us to come near to Him, so that He might forgive us through Christ of, and heal us from, our sin. Our sin that separates us from Him. He who IS the source of all life. The sin that always leads us inexorably to death in the first place.

Jeremiah 29:11 (New Living Translation) For I know the plans I have for you," says the LORD. "They are plans for good and not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope.

The delusion surrounding all these origin of life speculations, and even the delusion that 'science' may one day figure out how to extend human life indefinitely by somehow overcoming physical death, both run into the same insurmountable brick wall. Namely, the relentless death grip that Thermodynamics presents to any such ill-founded speculation! To give a hint as to how insurmountable this brick wall is, Professor Harold Morowitz shows the Origin of Life 'problem' escalates dramatically over the 'optimistic' 1 in 10^40,000 figure, that is often bantered about, when working from a thermodynamic perspective,:

"The probability for the chance of formation of the smallest, simplest form of living organism known is 1 in 10^340,000,000. This number is 10 to the 340 millionth power! The size of this figure is truly staggering since there is only supposed to be approximately 10^80 (10 to the 80th power) electrons in the whole universe!" (Professor Harold Morowitz, Energy Flow In Biology pg. 99, Biophysicist of George Mason University)

Dr. Morowitz did another probability calculation working from the thermodynamic perspective, with a already existing cell, and came up with this number:

DID LIFE START BY CHANCE? Excerpt: Molecular biophysicist, Horold Morowitz (Yale University), calculated the odds of life beginning under natural conditions (spontaneous generation). He calculated, if one were to take the simplest living cell and break every chemical bond within it, the odds that the cell would reassemble under ideal natural conditions (the best possible chemical environment) would be one chance in 10^100,000,000,000. You will have probably have trouble imagining a number so large, so Hugh Ross provides us with the following example. If all the matter in the Universe was converted into building blocks of life, and if assembly of these building blocks were attempted once a microsecond for the entire age of the universe. Then instead of the odds being 1 in 10^100,000,000,000, they would be 1 in 10^99,999,999,916 (also of note: 1 with 100 billion zeros following would fill approx. 20,000 encyclopedias) http://members.tripod.com/~Black_J/chance.html Punctured cell will never reassemble - Jonathan Wells - 2:40 mark of video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKoiivfe_mo

As to the delusion of overcoming death in general through 'science', as I've often seen expressed from time to time, there once again Entropy says to the delusion:

"Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."

i.e. Science/Medicine surely alleviates suffering, but as to ever dealing with the main cause of bodily death, Entropy, our medicine is, as impressive as some results of medicine may be, forever hopeless as to ever truly dealing directly with main cause of it.i.e. Entropy! Dr. John Sanford, starting at the 17 minute mark going to the 22 minute mark of the following video, relates how slightly detrimental mutations, slightly detrimental mutations that accumulate each time a cell divides, are the primary reason why our physical/material bodies grow old and die.

John Sanford on (Genetic Entropy) - Down, Not Up - 2-4-2012 (at Loma Linda University) - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PHsu94HQrL0#t=1040s

Here is the main powerpoint slide from John Sanford's preceding video as to the entropy/death issue:

*3 new mutations every time a cell divides in your body * Average cell of 15 year old has up to 6000 mutations *Average cell of 60 year old has 40,000 mutations Reproductive cells are 'designed' so that, early on in development, they are 'set aside' and thus they do not accumulate mutations as the rest of the cells of our bodies do. Regardless of this protective barrier against the accumulation of slightly detrimental mutations still we find that,,, *60-175 mutations are passed on to each new generation.

Here is a very good 20 minute interview with Dr. Sanford on this subject:

Genetic Entropy - Dr. John Sanford - Evolution vs. Reality - video https://vimeo.com/35088933

The evidence for the detrimental nature of mutations in humans is overwhelming for scientists have already cited over 148,000 mutational disorders.

The Human Gene Mutation Database Total entries: 148,413 http://www.hgmd.org/

Moreover, enigmatically, in a finding that seems to add quite a bit of weight to the concept of 'original sin', most detrimental mutations seem to have occurred within the past 5,000 to 10,000 years

Genetic Entropy in Human Genome is found to be 'recent': Human Genetic Variation Recent, Varies Among Populations - (Nov. 28, 2012) Excerpt: Nearly three-quarters of mutations in genes that code for proteins -- the workhorses of the cell -- occurred within the past 5,000 to 10,000 years,,, "One of the most interesting points is that Europeans have more new deleterious (potentially disease-causing) mutations than Africans,",,, "Having so many of these new variants can be partially explained by the population explosion in the European population. However, variation that occur in genes that are involved in Mendelian traits and in those that affect genes essential to the proper functioning of the cell tend to be much older." (A Mendelian trait is controlled by a single gene. Mutations in that gene can have devastating effects.) The amount variation or mutation identified in protein-coding genes (the exome) in this study is very different from what would have been seen 5,000 years ago,,, The report shows that "recent" events have a potent effect on the human genome. Eighty-six percent of the genetic variation or mutations that are expected to be harmful arose in European-Americans in the last five thousand years, said the researchers. The researchers used established bioinformatics techniques to calculate the age of more than a million changes in single base pairs (the A-T, C-G of the genetic code) that are part of the exome or protein-coding portion of the genomes (human genetic blueprint) of 6,515 people of both European-American and African-American decent.,,, http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121128132259.htm

This following video brings the point home to us, personally, about the overall effects of entropy on our material bodies as they grow older:

Aging Process - 85 years in 40 seconds - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A91Fwf_sMhk

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". . . too many possible mechanisms . . ." Uh, sure. If by "possible" we mean proposed in someone's wild fantasy. But if by "possible" we mean actually possible, or reasonably likely, or believable without taking leave of our senses, or supportable without laughter, then, no, there aren't too many mechanisms. There aren't any.Eric Anderson

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