“When Scientists Ignore Science…” by Mark Champneys

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April 9, 2020

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Embedded below is a nice new video “When Scientists Ignore Science: The Second Law of Thermodynamics” produced by Mark Champneys.

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I am very much enjoying the stimulating conversation by all. There are some other topics untouched, however. For example, I made the point that Darwin got natural selection wrong. He saw it as a preservative, when, in fact, nothing about natural selection preserves the genome. It kills and culls, or spares killing, but sparing is not preserving. His mechanism presupposes that something else is making it function coherently in the absence of being culled. Where does that integrated functionality come from? Both Darwin and neo-Darwinists have nothing but dumb luck to offer. Honestly, it blows my mind that no one seems to have noticed this glaring flaw on the cover of his book. Natural selection does not and cannot preserve arrangements. What was he thinking?momentoftruth_{April 15, 2020
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@108 jawa:
That’s why the Darwinian flagship is taking so much water in through the widening cracks,
A fantastic description. :)Truthfreedom_{April 14, 2020
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But Seversky has a point, if genetic entropy is true, then how long can a particular lineage of life go on before it subcumbs to the degraditive effects of genetic entropy? The answer is that a particular lineage can go on quite a long time before it goes extinct. For example, we find genetic entropy playing out in trilobites, over a span of 270 million years, in this way,
The Cambrian's Many Forms Excerpt: "It appears that organisms displayed “rampant” within-species variation “in the ‘warm afterglow’ of the Cambrian explosion,” Hughes said, but not later. “No one has shown this convincingly before, and that’s why this is so important.""From an evolutionary perspective, the more variable a species is, the more raw material natural selection has to operate on,"....(Yet Surprisingly)...."There's hardly any variation in the post-Cambrian," he said. "Even the presence or absence or the kind of ornamentation on the head shield varies within these Cambrian trilobites and doesn't vary in the post-Cambrian trilobites." University of Chicago paleontologist Mark Webster; article on the "surprising and unexplained" loss of variation and diversity for trilobites over the 270 million year time span that trilobites were found in the fossil record, prior to their total extinction from the fossil record about 250 million years ago. http://www.terradaily.com/reports/The_Cambrian_Many_Forms_999.html
In fact, there is a general rule of thumb for Genetic Entropy, i.e. Dollo's Law,
Dollo's law and the death and resurrection of genes: Excerpt: "As the history of animal life was traced in the fossil record during the 19th century, it was observed that once an anatomical feature was lost in the course of evolution it never staged a return. This observation became canonized as Dollo's law, after its propounder, and is taken as a general statement that evolution is irreversible." http://www.pnas.org/content/91/25/12283.full.pdf+html Dollo's law and the death and resurrection of genes ABSTRACT: Dollo's law, the concept that evolution is not substantively reversible, implies that the degradation of genetic information is sufficiently fast that genes or developmental pathways released from selective pressure will rapidly become nonfunctional. Using empirical data to assess the rate of loss of coding information in genes for proteins with varying degrees of tolerance to mutational change, we show that, in fact, there is a significant probability over evolutionary time scales of 0.5-6 million years for successful reactivation of silenced genes or "lost" developmental programs. Conversely, the reactivation of long (>10 million years)-unexpressed genes and dormant developmental pathways is not possible unless function is maintained by other selective constraints; http://www.pnas.org/content/91/25/12283.full.pdf+html
Of supplemental note to the 'top down' nature of sub-speciation from a parent lineage,
A. L. Hughes's New Non-Darwinian Mechanism of Adaption Was Discovered and Published in Detail by an ID Geneticist 25 Years Ago - Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig - December 2011 Excerpt: The original species had a greater genetic potential to adapt to all possible environments. In the course of time this broad capacity for adaptation has been steadily reduced in the respective habitats by the accumulation of slightly deleterious alleles (as well as total losses of genetic functions redundant for a habitat), with the exception, of course, of that part which was necessary for coping with a species' particular environment....By mutative reduction of the genetic potential, modifications became "heritable". -- As strange as it may at first sound, however, this has nothing to do with the inheritance of acquired characteristics. For the characteristics were not acquired evolutionarily, but existed from the very beginning due to the greater adaptability. In many species only the genetic functions necessary for coping with the corresponding environment have been preserved from this adaptability potential. The "remainder" has been lost by mutations (accumulation of slightly disadvantageous alleles) -- in the formation of secondary species. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2011/12/a_l_hughess_new053881.html
Thus, despite how badly Seversky and other Darwinists may hope and wish for Darwinian evolution to be true, they are, as far as the empirical evidence itself is concerned, found to be out of luck at each and every turn. From the fossil record, to the genetic evidence itself, to the real time empirical evidence of Doug Axe and many others, every piece of empirical evidence that we have betrays the Darwinist and supports the Christian. The only place that the Christian might get into trouble with the empirical evidence is if he tries to force a Young Earth interpretation of the bible onto the empirical evidence. Myself, since God's conception of time is vastly different from ours, I have no problem with an Old Earth interpretation of the Bible. Thus, for me at least, I have no problem whatsoever with the empirical evidnce.
2 Peter 3:8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Why I Reject A Young Earth View: A Biblical Defense of an Old Earth - Jonathan M. - 2011 Excerpt: If, therefore, it may be considered legitimate to take the seventh day as representative of a much longer period of time, then whence the mandate for supposing a commitment to interpreting the other six days as representative of 24-hour periods? Fourth, there is the multiple-usage of the word “day” in Genesis 1. Let’s take a look at the manner in which the word “day” is used in the Genesis 1 (up to 2:4) narrative alone: 1. Genesis 1:5a: “God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.” Here, “day” is contrasted with “night”: Thus, a 24-hour day is not in view, but rather “day” in the sense of “daytime” (i.e. 12 hours). 2. Genesis 1:5b: “And there was evening and there was morning — the first day.” Here, the word does indeed mean a 24-hour day. 3. Genesis 2:3: “By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.” To this, I have already alluded — the key point here is the absence of “evening” and “morning”, which denotes all of the previous six days. 4. The correct rendering of the Hebrew with respect to Genesis 2:4 is “This is the account of the heavens and the earth in the day they were created, when the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.” http://crossexamined.org/why-i-reject-a-young-earth-view-a-biblical-defense-of-an-old-earth/
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at 72 Seversky stated,
BA77: Darwinists simply have no empirical evidence that Darwinian processes are capable of overcoming the continual dissipative effects of Entropy. All the evidence we have tells us that life. instead of evolving into greater complexity, will instead devolve with what is termed ‘genetic entropy’ by Dr. John Sanford: Sev: Life has existed on this planet for something over 3bn years. Has it not occurred to you that if Sanford were correct, that “genetic entropy” is an inexorable degradation of the genome, then even if it had managed ti get started in the first place, which seems unlikely, DNA-base life would have suffered a catastrophic collapse long ago. The evidence that Darwinian processes can overcome this effect is all around you – including you!
At 80 I responded,
Instead of offering any evidence that it is possible for Darwinian processes to overcome the dissipative effects of entropy, Seversky instead offers the fallacious argument of presupposing his desired conclusion into the premises of his argument. i,e, In answering the question of “where did life come from?, Seversky answer is, basically, “life exists so it must have evolved.” This logical fallacy is known as circular argumentation:,,,
And at post 81, since they did answer the question properly the first time, I reiterated this question to Darwinists,
What power, force, and/or thing, enables life to resist the ravages of entropy, that all forms of inanimate matter are subject to, precisely a lifetime and not a moment longer?
The answer is, of course, that it is immaterial information and/or a soul that enables life to resist the ravages of entropy for precisely a lifetime. As Stephen Talbott put it, "Virtually the same collection of molecules exists in the canine cells during the moments immediately before and after death. But after the fateful transition (to death),,,, Code, information, and communication, in their biological sense, will have disappeared from the scientist’s vocabulary."
The Unbearable Wholeness of Beings – Steve Talbott Excerpt: Virtually the same collection of molecules exists in the canine cells during the moments immediately before and after death. But after the fateful transition no one will any longer think of genes as being regulated, nor will anyone refer to normal or proper chromosome functioning. No molecules will be said to guide other molecules to specific targets, and no molecules will be carrying signals, which is just as well because there will be no structures recognizing signals. Code, information, and communication, in their biological sense, will have disappeared from the scientist’s vocabulary. ,,,Rather than becoming progressively disordered in their mutual relations (as indeed happens after death, when the whole dissolves into separate fragments), the processes hold together in a larger unity. http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-unbearable-wholeness-of-beings
And it is not just the classical sequential information on DNA that enables life to resist the 'ravages of entropy' for precisely a life time, but Quantum information is also directly involved, if not the primary thing, that enables life to resist the 'ravages of entropy' for precisely a life time,,,
Darwinian Materialism vs. Quantum Biology – Part II https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSig2CsjKbg
As Dr. Elisabeth Rieper noted in the following video, practically the whole DNA molecule can be viewed as quantum information with classical information embedded within it
"What happens is this classical information (of DNA) is embedded, sandwiched, into the quantum information (of DNA). And most likely this classical information is never accessed because it is inside all the quantum information. You can only access the quantum information or the electron clouds and the protons. So mathematically you can describe that as a quantum/classical state." Elisabeth Rieper – Classical and Quantum Information in DNA – video (Longitudinal Quantum Information resides along the entire length of DNA discussed at the 19:30 minute mark; at 24:00 minute mark Dr Rieper remarks that practically the whole DNA molecule can be viewed as quantum information with classical information embedded within it) https://youtu.be/2nqHOnVTxJE?t=1176
Shoot, Darwinists can't even tell us how any particular organism achieves its basis biological form, much less can they tell us how it is possible for life to resist the ravages of entropy for precisely a life time.
Darwinism vs Biological Form - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyNzNPgjM4w February 2020 - So just where is this massive amount of ‘positional’ information coming from in a developing embryo if it cannot possibly be contained within the DNA of the fertilized egg of a human? https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/mike-egnor-vs-jerry-coyne-on-how-consciousness-evolved/#comment-692666
But anyways, regardless of all these interesting questions that Darwinists leave on the cutting room floor, so as to try to pretend that the dissipative effects of entropy are not that a big of a problem to the entire notion of Darwinian evolution, Seversky still wanted to go on and claim that if genetic entropy were true then "life would have suffered a catastrophic collapse long ago." I guess that Seversky is trying to claim that God only introduced life onto earth one time? But that is not so. The Bible speaks of several creative acts by God in introducing life onto earth in stages, culminating, of course, with His creation of man, whom He created in His image. And that is exactly what the fossil record, (and genetic evidence), reveals,
Scientific study turns understanding about evolution on its head - July 30, 2013 Excerpt: evolutionary biologists,,, looked at nearly one hundred fossil groups to test the notion that it takes groups of animals many millions of years to reach their maximum diversity of form. Contrary to popular belief, not all animal groups continued to evolve fundamentally new morphologies through time. The majority actually achieved their greatest diversity of form (disparity) relatively early in their histories. ,,,Dr Matthew Wills said: "This pattern, known as 'early high disparity', turns the traditional V-shaped cone model of evolution on its head. What is equally surprising in our findings is that groups of animals are likely to show early-high disparity regardless of when they originated over the last half a billion years. This isn't a phenomenon particularly associated with the first radiation of animals (in the Cambrian Explosion), or periods in the immediate wake of mass extinctions.",,, Author Martin Hughes, continued: "Our work implies that there must be constraints on the range of forms within animal groups, and that these limits are often hit relatively early on. Co-author Dr Sylvain Gerber, added: "A key question now is what prevents groups from generating fundamentally new forms later on in their evolution.,,, http://phys.org/news/2013-07-scientific-evolution.html Bechly: In the Fossil Record, “Abrupt Appearances Are the Rule” - February 20, 2018, Excerpt: , you might think that the Cambrian explosion some 530 million years is a singularity, a freak of nature: the sudden appearance of phyla, major categories of life,,,, Yet Dr. Bechly points out that the problem posed by the Cambrian event is not singular but in fact has been repeated numerous times in the long history of life — sudden explosions, abrupt appearances, followed by diversification. Each should multiply the distress of Darwin’s defenders, if they are honest with themselves about it. In a chapter co-authored with philosopher of science Stephen Meyer in the recent book Theistic Evolution: A Scientific, Philosophical, and Theological Critique (pg. 340-352), Bechly details 19 such “explosions.” As he observes, in the fossil record, “Abrupt appearances are the rule.” Each such event poses the same challenge to Darwinian thinking that the Cambrian explosion does. https://evolutionnews.org/2018/02/bechly-in-the-fossil-record-abrupt-appearances-are-the-rule/ New Paper by Winston Ewert Demonstrates Superiority of Design Model - Cornelius Hunter - July 20, 2018 Excerpt: Ewert’s three types of data are: (i) sample computer software, (ii) simulated species data generated from evolutionary/common descent computer algorithms, and (iii) actual, real species data. ,,, for the actual, real species data, the dependency graph model is astronomically superior compared to the common descent model. Where It Counts Let me repeat that in case the point did not sink in. Where it counted, common descent failed compared to the dependency graph model. The other data types served as useful checks, but for the data that mattered — the actual, real, biological species data — the results were unambiguous. Ewert amassed a total of nine massive genetic databases. In every single one, without exception, the dependency graph model surpassed common descent. Darwin could never have even dreamt of a test on such a massive scale. Darwin also could never have dreamt of the sheer magnitude of the failure of his theory. Because you see, Ewert’s results do not reveal two competitive models with one model edging out the other. We are not talking about a few decimal points difference. For one of the data sets (HomoloGene), the dependency graph model was superior to common descent by a factor of 10,064. The comparison of the two models yielded a preference for the dependency graph model of greater than ten thousand. Ten thousand is a big number. But it gets worse, much worse.,,, https://evolutionnews.org/2018/07/new-paper-by-winston-ewert-demonstrates-superiority-of-design-model/
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KF, “ideologically unpalatable to many” Yes, agree, but serious science must be evidence-based. That’s why the Darwinian flagship is taking so much water in through the widening cracks, leading some anti-ID scientists to jump out and swim to the exotic “third way” island, unaware of the Cat-7 hurricane (“upcoming discoveries” ) going their way.jawa_{April 14, 2020
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MoT, in my observation, an appreciation -- depth understanding requires sophisticated math, physics and chem -- of the statistical and probabilistic foundations of the second law provides a context to see what is at stake. Especially, when we add the insight that this can be interpreted in informational terms shaped by the macro vs micro view of state and evolution of states leading to the implications of a predominant cluster. Notice, the Wiki clip: >>n the words of G. N. Lewis writing about chemical entropy in 1930, “Gain in entropy always means loss of information, and nothing more” . . . in the discrete case using base two logarithms, the reduced Gibbs entropy is equal to the minimum number of yes/no questions that need to be answered in order to fully specify the microstate, given that we know the macrostate.>> Once such is in hand, we can look at information stored in configurations with fresh insights. In particular, in general an arbitrary 3-d entity can be described as a structured string of Y/N questions and answers through a suitably compact description language; yielding a configuration space from 0000 . . . 0 to FFFF . . . F for a space spanned by n bits. AutoCAD is of course Exhibit A. Thus, description on alphanumerical strings is WLOG. Further, once string length reaches or exceeds 500 - 1,000 bits, it is maximally implausible for blind chance and/or mechanical necessity acting on the gamut of the sol system [10^57 atoms, ~ 5 bn y] or the observed cosmos [10^80 atoms, ~ 10^17 s] to sufficiently search the config space to make finding deeply isolated islands of function a reasonable project. That's because at ~ 10^12 - 15 atomic level interactions/s, the sample of configurations that can be explored is vanishingly small relative to 3.27*10^150 to 1.07*10^301 possibilities. Worse, as a search is a sampled subset of a config space, the secondary config space of searches for a space of n bits is 2^n possibilities, the power set. Search for a golden search is exponentially harder. That's before we factor in the language and algorithms in DNA. As for entropy, yes, it seems to be a bit of an industry to come up with different flavours these days. The bottom-line is pretty clear, FSCO/I is a strong sign of intelligently directed configuration -- design -- as material causal factor. Of trillions of observed cases where we directly know the cause, it is design. Which is ideologically unpalatable to many. That carries us back to the headline above. KFkairosfocus_{April 14, 2020
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Bornagain77: I, too, have been surprised that no one has yet taken up the "open system" argument or the compensation argument. (I would like to think that my video soundly precluded any such attempts, but, I doubt it.) As to ATP Synthase: Yes, I have stated in the past that when evolutionists can explain a plausible origin of ATP Synthase, they may have the first rudiments of a chemical evolution theory, but not until. As you said, it takes enzymes to make ATP, and it takes ATP to make enzymes. But what a remarkable molecular machine bridges the gap! Absolutely stunning! The crazy thing is that it requires the second law itself in a probability gradient to power this ETM!!!momentoftruth_{April 14, 2020
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Kairosfocus@95 I tend to be a "look at the forest" kind of guy, rather than a "look at the individual leaves on the individual trees" kind of guy, but I marvel at your understanding of the details of informational entropy and Shannon information. Some things that I have gleaned in my study is that entropy can be considered on multiple layers. For example, the entropy of the _message_ must be low to have certainty, but a the same time, the entropy of the _medium_ must be high in order to have high informational capacity. Writing a message in the sand of a pristine beach illustrates this. If the beach is newly washed, you can use a fine stick to write many words. But if the beach is made of 2-inch pebbles, your detailed message will be lost in the confusion. Shannon was all about certainty or uncertainty as a measure of information as he defined it. In the same way, thermal entropy plays a crucial role in the building of huge delicate nucleic acids, while simultaneously informational entropy is working within those bonded atoms to either write or destroy the message carried by the base sequenes in the molecules. My point? Specification versus randomness is often (if not always) to be considered in nested layers.momentoftruth_{April 13, 2020
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Seversky @72 "...over 3bn years. Has it not occurred to you that if Sanford were correct, that “genetic entropy” is an inexorable degradation of the genome, then even if it had managed ti get started in the first place, which seems unlikely, DNA-base life would have suffered a catastrophic collapse long ago. " Sanford is a young earth creationist, and this is actually strong evidence for his position. The second law provides many such lines of evidence. The age of the universe/earth is an inference, not a known quantity, so I urge an open mind on this, as Sanford does also.momentoftruth_{April 13, 2020
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I absolutely understand. But, like you, I knew that was their "go-to" argument, so I had to take another look- a closer look. And there it was, as predicted. :cool:ET_{April 13, 2020
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Thanks ET, I never got past the "The TalkOrigins Archive" headline on that post. So many of "TalkOrigins" claims have been found to be false in the past that I pretty much skipped right over that comment from Seversky when I saw the headline since I consider "TalkOrigins" itself to be so unreliable. But post 32 does indeed mention the fallacious 'open system argument'.bornagain77_{April 13, 2020
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kairosfocus, They are confused. They think that since we can create information from something that mindless processes put it there. Tree rings are not a code. Rad decay is not a code.ET_{April 13, 2020
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Sev and EG, I scrolled up for a moment and saw your suggestions that RA decay and tree rings constitute in effect spontaneous creation of functionally specific organisation and/or information. RA decay is a random process and if anything is disorganisation. It certainly is not creating anything like coded information or the key-lock fitting typical of say parts in a fishing reel. As for tree rings, they are simply an outcome of seasonal patterns, carrying nothing like the above. If you mean "information" in the sense that any random string of coin tosses would produce, again, such a string is so utterly unlikely to generate 500 - 1,000 bits of FSCO/I that the resort to such examples simply shows how bare the evolutionary materialistic cupboard is. KFkairosfocus_{April 13, 2020
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bornagain77- see comment 32ET_{April 13, 2020
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@52 Ed George
I’m not the one making claims that a high school kid knows are erroneous.
Why embarrass yourself then with that silly 'snowflake' no-argument? I know teenagers that would not commit such a mistake.Truthfreedom_{April 13, 2020
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Moreover, ATP synthase is also, ‘unexpectedly’ for Darwinists, found to be, thermodynamically, 100% efficient
Your Motor/Generators Are 100% Efficient – October 2011 Excerpt: ATP synthase astounds again. The molecular machine that generates almost all the ATP (molecular “energy pellets”) for all life was examined by Japanese scientists for its thermodynamic efficiency. By applying and measuring load on the top part that synthesizes ATP, they were able to determine that one cannot do better at getting work out of a motor,,, The article was edited by noted Harvard expert on the bacterial flagellum, Howard Berg. http://crev.info/content/111014-your_motor_generators Thermodynamic efficiency and mechanochemical coupling of F1-ATPase – 2011 Excerpt: F1-ATPase is a nanosized biological energy transducer working as part of FoF1-ATP synthase. Its rotary machinery transduces energy between chemical free energy and mechanical work and plays a central role in the cellular energy transduction by synthesizing most ATP in virtually all organisms.,, Our results suggested a 100% free-energy transduction efficiency and a tight mechanochemical coupling of F1-ATPase. http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2011/10/12/1106787108.short?rss=1
As well, besides ATP synthase, the entire photosynthetic process itself was also ‘unexpectedly’ found to be astonishingly efficient. Moreover, photosynthesis achieves this astonishing efficiency by overcoming thermodynamic noise by way of ‘quantum coherence’ which shows 'remarkable resistance to the aggressive, random background noise of biology and extreme environments.':
Unlocking nature’s quantum engineering for efficient solar energy – January 7, 2013 Excerpt: Certain biological systems living in low light environments have unique protein structures for photosynthesis that use quantum dynamics to convert 100% of absorbed light into electrical charge,,, “Some of the key issues in current solar cell technologies appear to have been elegantly and rigorously solved by the molecular architecture of these PPCs – namely the rapid, lossless transfer of excitons to reaction centres.”,,, These biological systems can direct a quantum process, in this case energy transport, in astoundingly subtle and controlled ways – showing remarkable resistance to the aggressive, random background noise of biology and extreme environments. “This new understanding of how to maintain coherence in excitons, and even regenerate it through molecular vibrations, provides a fascinating glimpse into the intricate design solutions – seemingly including quantum engineering – ,,, and which could provide the inspiration for new types of room temperature quantum devices.” http://phys.org/news/2013-01-nature-quantum-efficient-solar-energy.html
To repeat, photosynthesis is achieved via 'coherence, a genuine quantum effect,,,'
Uncovering Quantum Secret in Photosynthesis – June 20, 2013 Excerpt: “These results show that coherence, a genuine quantum effect of superposition of states, is responsible for maintaining high levels of transport efficiency in biological systems, even while they adapt their energy transport pathways due to environmental influences” says van Hulst. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130620142932.htm
To say that 'coherence, a genuine quantum effect', is a problem for Darwinian materialists is to make another rather dramatic understatement. Quantum Coherence, like Quantum Entanglement, is a 'non-local', i.e. beyond space and time. effect.
Physicists find quantum coherence and quantum entanglement are two sides of the same coin - June 25, 2015 by Lisa Zyga Excerpt: Quantum coherence and quantum entanglement are two landmark features of quantum physics, and now physicists have demonstrated that the two phenomena are "operationally equivalent"—that is, equivalent for all practical purposes, though still conceptually distinct. https://phys.org/news/2015-06-physicists-quantum-coherence-entanglement-sides.html
In fact, quantum coherence violates locality much more strongly than 'simple' quantum entanglement does, A the following article states, 'the greater the number of particles in a quantum hypergraph state, (such as what we see with quantum biology), the more strongly it violates local realism, with the strength increasing exponentially with the number of particles.'
Physicists find extreme violation of local realism in quantum hypergraph states - Lisa Zyga - March 4, 2016 Excerpt: The physicists also showed that the greater the number of particles in a quantum hypergraph state, the more strongly it violates local realism, with the strength increasing exponentially with the number of particles. In addition, even if a quantum hypergraph state loses one of its particles, it continues to violate local realism. This robustness to particle loss is in stark contrast to other types of quantum states, which no longer violate local realism if they lose a particle. This property is particularly appealing for applications, since it might allow for more noise in experiments. http://phys.org/news/2016-03-physicists-extreme-violation-local-realism.html
The interesting thing about quantum 'non-locality' is that it is a 'non-local' effect. That is to say that it is a beyond space and time effect the requires a beyond space and time cause in order to explain its effect,
Looking beyond space and time to cope with quantum theory – 29 October 2012 Excerpt: “Our result gives weight to the idea that quantum correlations somehow arise from outside spacetime, in the sense that no story in space and time can describe them,” http://www.quantumlah.org/highlight/121029_hidden_influences.php
Darwinists simply have no beyond space and time cause that they can appeal to. Whereas Christians have always postulated a beyond space and time cause.
Colossians 1:17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
Thus in conclusion, the 'open system argument' of evolutionists, when examined in detail, (like all other arguments from Darwinian atheists), collapses in on itself and, in the end, proves the contrary. Namely that life requires far more than the earth itself to be an open system, so as to allow energy in, but life also requires the universe itself to be an 'open system' so as to be able to explain the 'beyond space and time' quantum coherence in life that allows life, particularly photosynthesis, to overcome the disordering effects of entropy.bornagain77_{April 13, 2020
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I am surprised that the Darwinists on this thread have not at least mentioned the fact that the earth is an open system and that it receives energy from the sun. That is usually their first line of defense when confronted with the contradiction that entropy presents to the entire notion of evolution. As Mark Champneys stated in his video at the 18:00 minute mark,
"What about evolution? It is not hard to see that the second law of thermodynamics, properly understood, devastates the entire idea of both chemical and biological evolution at the most basic possible level. It makes every other argument moot. But the human biases of evolutionists seem to block their understanding. since these are very smart people. Their primary defense is to excuse their theory by virtue of the fact that the earth is an open system. That's it. That's all they have. Richard Dawkins has stated that the second law can be disregarded simply because of the sun. The energy input of sunlight is suppose to invalidate the application of the laws of science to biology. You can almost here them shout 'Loophole, Loophole!' Evolutionists clai that sunlight is the magic ingredient that makes entropy decrease possible. But it is simply not true. Sunlight is actually very random, and what is needed is the polar opposite of random." - Mark Champneys When Scientists Ignore Science: The Second Law of Thermodynamics - video - 18:00 minute mark https://youtu.be/0oOt317kSro?t=1081
Perhaps the Darwinists on this thread were so enamored with their present 'snowflake argument' against entropy being applicable to biology that they forgot to mention their primary 'open system argument"? :) Anyways, to correct this oversight on their part, let's go ahead and address their open system argument. As Mark Champneys. Granville Sewell, and many others have noted. pouring raw energy into an open system actually increases the rate at which disorder increases in the system. This simple fact is clearly illustrated by the fact that any object left out in the open in a warm and wet environment will deteriorate much more rapidly than any object that is left out in the open in a cold and dry environment. In fact the more quickly that you pour raw energy into an open system then the more quickly the object deteriorates. Granville Sewell used the illustration of a tornado. But a nuclear bomb would have gotten the same point across. i.e. Pouring a massive amount of raw energy into a open system actually makes the problem of entropy that much worse for Darwinists. Obviously, in order for raw energy to be useful for life, it must first be somewhat 'constrained' in its disordering effects on physical objects and then further 'harnessed' so as to be of biological utility. There are two major areas where this 'constraining' and 'harnessing' of energy, so as to be of biological utility, takes place. First, the energy that is allowed to enter the atmosphere of the Earth is constrained, i.e. finely-tuned, to 1 trillionth of a trillionth of the entire electromagnetic spectrum:
8:12 minute mark,,, “These specific frequencies of light (that enable plants to manufacture food and astronomers to observe the cosmos) represent less than 1 trillionth of a trillionth (10^-24) of the universe’s entire range of electromagnetic emissions.” Fine tuning of Light, Atmosphere, and Water to Photosynthesis (etc..) – video (2016) – https://youtu.be/NIwZqDkrj9I?t=384
As the preceding video highlighted, visible light is incredibly fine-tuned for life to exist on earth. Though visible light is only a tiny fraction of the total electromagnetic spectrum, it happens to be the “most permitted” portion of the sun’s spectrum that is allowed to filter through the atmosphere. All the other bands of electromagnetic radiation, directly surrounding visible light, happen to be harmful to organic molecules, and are almost completely absorbed by the earth’s magnetic shield and the earth’s atmosphere. The size of light’s wavelengths and the constraints on the size allowable for the protein molecules of organic life, strongly indicate that they were tailor-made for each other, As Dr. Bradley notes:
The visible portion of the electromagnetic spectrum (~1 micron) is the most intense radiation from the sun (Figure 1); has the greatest biological utility (Figure 2); and easily passes through atmosphere of Earth (Figure 3) and water (Figure 4) with almost no absorption. It is uniquely this same wavelength of radiation that is idea to foster the chemistry of life. This is either a truly amazing series of coincidences or else the result of careful design. – (Walter Bradley – Is There Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God? How the Recent Discoveries Support a Designed Universe – – http://www.leaderu.com/offices/bradley/docs/scievidence.html
Moreover, the light coming from the sun must also be 'tuned' to the ‘right color’
The ” just right ” relationship of the light spectrum and photosynthesis Excerpt: The American astronomer George Greenstein discusses this in The Symbiotic Universe, p 96: Chlorophyll is the molecule that accomplishes photosynthesis… The mechanism of photosynthesis is initiated by the absorption of sunlight by a chlorophyll molecule. But in order for this to occur, the light must be of the right color. Light of the wrong color won’t do the trick.... The harmony between stellar and molecular physics that Greenstein refers to is a harmony too extraordinary ever to be explained by chance. There was only one chance in 10^25 of the Sun’s providing just the right kind of light necessary for us and that there should be molecules in our world that are capable of using that light. This perfect harmony is unquestionably proof of Intelligent Design. http://reasonandscience.catsboard.com/t1545-origin-and-evolution-of-photosynthesis
Moreover, even though the energy allowed to enter the atmosphere of the Earth is constrained, i.e. finely-tuned, to 1 trillionth of a trillionth of the entire electromagnetic spectrum, that still does not fully negate the disordering effects of pouring raw energy into an open system. (as was made clear previously). To offset this disordering effect that raw energy has on objects, the raw energy from the sun, which I remind is already finely-tuned to 1 in 10^24, must be further harnessed to be of biological utility. This harnessing of raw energy is accomplished in biology by the elaborate process of photosynthesis which converts sunlight into ATP. To say that the elaborate process of photosynthesis defies Darwinian explanations is to make a rather dramatic understatement:
Evolutionary biology: Out of thin air John F. Allen & William Martin: The measure of the problem is here: “Oxygenetic photosynthesis involves about 100 proteins that are highly ordered within the photosynthetic membranes of the cell.” http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v445/n7128/full/445610a.html The 10 Step Glycolysis Pathway In ATP Production: An Overview – video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kn6BVGqKd8
At the 14:00 minute mark of the following video, Chris Ashcraft, PhD – molecular biology, gives us an overview of the Citric Acid Cycle, which is, after the 10 step Glycolysis Pathway, also involved in ATP production:
Evolution vs ATP Synthase – Chris Ashcraft – video – citric acid cycle at 14:00 minute mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rUV4CSs0HzI#t=746
Moreover, there is a profound ‘chicken and egg’ dilemma with ATP production for evolutionists:
Evolutionist Has Another Honest Moment as “Thorny Questions Remain” – Cornelius Hunter – July 2012 Excerpt: It’s a chicken and egg question. Scientists are in disagreement over what came first — replication, or metabolism. But there is a third part to the equation — and that is energy. … You need enzymes to make ATP and you need ATP to make enzymes. The question is: where did energy come from before either of these two things existed? http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2012/07/evolutionist-has-another-honest-moment.html
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JT, There is an informational school of thought regarding Entropy and thermodynamics, which draws out the reason why entropy pops up in information theory. In my always linked, I cited a summary against known ideological interest that was in Wikipedia at the time (I have no idea . . . and less interest . . . whether the April 2011 summary in the article on informational Entropy remains, that site suffers a sort of entropic ideological decay of soundness and elegant substance. ) The essential idea is missing information to specify micro-state on a given macro-state:
At an everyday practical level the links between information entropy and thermodynamic entropy are not close. Physicists and chemists are apt to be more interested in changes in entropy as a system spontaneously evolves away from its initial conditions, in accordance with the second law of thermodynamics, rather than an unchanging probability distribution. And, as the numerical smallness of Boltzmann's constant k_B indicates, the changes in S / k_B for even minute amounts of substances in chemical and physical processes represent amounts of entropy which are so large as to be right off the scale compared to anything seen in data compression or signal processing. But, at a multidisciplinary level, connections can be made between thermodynamic and informational entropy, although it took many years in the development of the theories of statistical mechanics and information theory to make the relationship fully apparent. In fact, in the view of Jaynes (1957), thermodynamics should be seen as an application of Shannon's information theory: the thermodynamic entropy is interpreted as being an estimate of the amount of further Shannon information needed to define the detailed microscopic state of the system, that remains uncommunicated by a description solely in terms of the macroscopic variables of classical thermodynamics. For example, adding heat to a system increases its thermodynamic entropy because it increases the number of possible microscopic states that it could be in, thus making any complete state description longer. (See article: maximum entropy thermodynamics.[Also,another article remarks: >>in the words of G. N. Lewis writing about chemical entropy in 1930, "Gain in entropy always means loss of information, and nothing more" . . . in the discrete case using base two logarithms, the reduced Gibbs entropy is equal to the minimum number of yes/no questions that need to be answered in order to fully specify the microstate, given that we know the macrostate.>>]) Maxwell's demon can (hypothetically) reduce the thermodynamic entropy of a system by using information about the states of individual molecules; but, as Landauer (from 1961) and co-workers have shown, to function the demon himself must increase thermodynamic entropy in the process, by at least the amount of Shannon information he proposes to first acquire and store; and so the total entropy does not decrease (which resolves the paradox).
Harry S Robertson's Statistical Thermophysics develops these ideas in detail. Let me excerpt:
. . . the standard assertion that molecular chaos exists is nothing more than a poorly disguised admission of ignorance, or lack of detailed information about the dynamic state of a system . . . . If I am able to perceive order, I may be able to use it to extract work from the system, but if I am unaware of internal correlations, I cannot use them for macroscopic dynamical purposes. On this basis, I shall distinguish heat from work, and thermal energy from other forms . . . . It has long been recognized that the assignment of probabilities to a set represents information, and that some probability sets represent more information than others . . . if one of the probabilities say p2 is unity and therefore the others are zero, then we know that the outcome of the experiment . . . will give [event] y2. Thus we have complete information . . . if we have no basis . . . for believing that event yi is more or less likely than any other [we] have the least possible information about the outcome of the experiment . . . . A remarkably simple and clear analysis by Shannon [1948] has provided us with a quantitative measure of the uncertainty, or missing pertinent information, inherent in a set of probabilities [NB: i.e. a probability different from 1 or 0 should be seen as, in part, an index of ignorance] . . . . [deriving informational entropy, ]: H({pi}) = - C [SUM over i] pi*ln pi, [where [SUM over i] pi = 1, and we can define also parameters alpha and beta such that: (1) pi = e^-[alpha + beta*yi]; (2) exp [alpha] = [SUM over i](exp - beta*yi) = Z [Z being in effect the partition function across microstates, the "Holy Grail" of statistical thermodynamics]. . . . [H], called the information entropy, . . . correspond[s] to the thermodynamic entropy [i.e. s, where also it was shown by Boltzmann that s = k ln w], with C = k, the Boltzmann constant, and yi an energy level, usually ei, while [BETA] becomes 1/kT, with T the thermodynamic temperature . . . A thermodynamic system is characterized by a microscopic structure that is not observed in detail . . . We attempt to develop a theoretical description of the macroscopic properties in terms of its underlying microscopic properties, which are not precisely known. We attempt to assign probabilities to the various microscopic states . . . based on a few . . . macroscopic observations that can be related to averages of microscopic parameters. Evidently the problem that we attempt to solve in statistical thermophysics is exactly the one just treated in terms of information theory. It should not be surprising, then, that the uncertainty of information theory becomes a thermodynamic variable when used in proper context . . . . Jayne's [summary rebuttal to a typical objection] is ". . . The entropy of a thermodynamic system is a measure of the degree of ignorance of a person whose sole knowledge about its microstate consists of the values of the macroscopic quantities . . . which define its thermodynamic state. This is a perfectly 'objective' quantity . . . it is a function of [those variables] and does not depend on anybody's personality. There is no reason why it cannot be measured in the laboratory." . . . . [pp. vii - viii, 3 - 6, 7, 36; replacing Robertson's use of S for Informational Entropy with the more standard H.]
This then sets up the context in which the strong tendency to the dominant clusters of possible microstates obtains, which then emerges as a sticky pattern, equilibrium in the statistical sense. These of course bridge to the classical formulations which tend to be framed on partial differential equations and related inequalities. Those, deal in macro-observables. The bridge to information and to concepts of randomness, order and functionally specific organisation will also be key. In the context of dynamical systems and states, Walker and Davies then point to some key related ideas, that draw out significance of fine tuning:
In physics, particularly in statistical mechanics, we base many of our calculations on the assumption of metric transitivity, which asserts that a system’s trajectory will eventually [--> given "enough time and search resources"] explore the entirety of its state space – thus everything that is phys-ically possible will eventually happen. It should then be trivially true that one could choose an arbitrary “final state” (e.g., a living organism) and “explain” it by evolving the system backwards in time choosing an appropriate state at some ’start’ time t_0 (fine-tuning the initial state). In the case of a chaotic system the initial state must be specified to arbitrarily high precision. But this account amounts to no more than saying that the world is as it is because it was as it was, and our current narrative therefore scarcely constitutes an explanation in the true scientific sense. We are left in a bit of a conundrum with respect to the problem of specifying the initial conditions necessary to explain our world. A key point is that if we require specialness in our initial state (such that we observe the current state of the world and not any other state) metric transitivity cannot hold true, as it blurs any dependency on initial conditions – that is, it makes little sense for us to single out any particular state as special by calling it the ’initial’ state. If we instead relax the assumption of metric transitivity (which seems more realistic for many real world physical systems – including life), then our phase space will consist of isolated pocket regions and it is not necessarily possible to get to any other physically possible state (see e.g. Fig. 1 for a cellular automata example).
[--> or, there may not be "enough" time and/or resources for the relevant exploration, i.e. we see the 500 - 1,000 bit complexity threshold at work vs 10^57 - 10^80 atoms with fast rxn rates at about 10^-13 to 10^-15 s leading to inability to explore more than a vanishingly small fraction on the gamut of Sol system or observed cosmos . . . the only actually, credibly observed cosmos]
Thus the initial state must be tuned to be in the region of phase space in which we find ourselves [--> notice, fine tuning], and there are regions of the configuration space our physical universe would be excluded from accessing, even if those states may be equally consistent and permissible under the microscopic laws of physics (starting from a different initial state). Thus according to the standard picture, we require special initial conditions to explain the complexity of the world, but also have a sense that we should not be on a particularly special trajectory to get here (or anywhere else) as it would be a sign of fine–tuning of the initial conditions. [ --> notice, the "loading"] Stated most simply, a potential problem with the way we currently formulate physics is that you can’t necessarily get everywhere from anywhere (see Walker [31] for discussion). ["The “Hard Problem” of Life," June 23, 2016, a discussion by Sara Imari Walker and Paul C.W. Davies at Arxiv.]
We may then go to a discussion of information-rich organisation, i/l/o Orgel:
living organisms are distinguished by their specified complexity. Crystals are usually taken as the prototypes of simple well-specified structures, because they consist of a very large number of identical molecules packed together in a uniform way. Lumps of granite or random mixtures of polymers are examples of structures that are complex but not specified. The crystals fail to qualify as living because they lack complexity; the mixtures of polymers fail to qualify because they lack specificity . . . . These vague idea can be made more precise by introducing the idea of information. Roughly speaking, the information content of a structure is the minimum number of instructions needed to specify the structure.
[--> this is of course equivalent to the string of yes/no questions required to specify the relevant J S Wicken "wiring diagram" for the set of functional states, T, in the much larger space of possible clumped or scattered configurations, W, as Dembski would go on to define in NFL in 2002, also cf here, -- here and -- here -- (with here on self-moved agents as designing causes).]
One can see intuitively that many instructions are needed to specify a complex structure. [--> so if the q's to be answered are Y/N, the chain length is an information measure that indicates complexity in bits . . . ] On the other hand a simple repeating structure can be specified in rather few instructions. [--> do once and repeat over and over in a loop . . . ] Complex but random structures, by definition, need hardly be specified at all . . . . Paley was right to emphasize the need for special explanations of the existence of objects with high information content, for they cannot be formed in nonevolutionary, inorganic processes [--> Orgel had high hopes for what Chem evo and body-plan evo could do by way of info generation beyond the FSCO/I threshold, 500 - 1,000 bits.] [The Origins of Life (John Wiley, 1973), p. 189, p. 190, p. 196.]
In this context, we then take off blinkers and notice protein synthesis. Molecular technology functional units, alphanumerically coded information using prong height patterns [similar to a Yale lock], algorithms used to chain AA's that fold, agglomerate and add extra bits to form proteins such as haemoglobin, so too language and discernible goal directed processes. Such things need to be explained and blind chance and/or mechanical necessity is not a serious candidate. The only serious candidate is language using intelligence directing configuration. (Which is not a theological inference, in principle a molecular nanotech lab some generations beyond Venter et al could explain it. It is cosmological fine tuning that suspiciously sets up a context for C-chem, aqueous medium cell based life that does point to a cosmos designed for life.) KFkairosfocus_{April 13, 2020
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The responses to this post prove the point that evolutionists don't care about science. Evolution is a religion with its true believers and no amount of evidence can discredit evolution to them. . On a theological point - the universe was created THROUGH (Greek ???) Jesus, not BY Jesus. That is a fine point the evangelist is trying to make. It is too subtle for most people. What this means is that God the creator created the universe and Jesus participated as a vessel; not as the source of the creation. To say that Jesus created the universe is to make Him equal to God, thereby having two Gods. This theological impossibility is avoided by the evangelists by calling Jesus the 'Son of God' most of the time.Peter_{April 12, 2020
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Which evolutionary biologists are working to see if blind and mindless processes can produce the virus? HINT- Not one. And only an insipid troll thinks that CSI is the only methodology to see if something is designed. Enter Jim T. Why are evos so ignorant and desperate? And why do they think their ignorance and desperation are arguments?ET_{April 12, 2020
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@90, 91 JT and Seversky Where in the 'Tree of Life' can we locate SARS-CoV-2? Could you please do me a drawing? I'll lend you the crayons.Truthfreedom_{April 12, 2020
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I'm sure they're working on it as we speak.Seversky_{April 12, 2020
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Here is the entire 29,903-base-pair sequence of the novel coronavirus. I’m thinking some ID researchers can calculate some CSI on this thing and find out if it was designed. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/all/?term=MN908947Jim Thibodeau_{April 12, 2020
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EG, It seems you tried to appeal to snowflakes, which can be accounted for on the intermolecular bonding and structure of water molecules, similar to other crystallisation. That has precisely nothing to do with aperiodic, functionally specific complex organisation and associated information. Especially, language in alphanumeric algorithmic code. But then by this time it is obvious that ideologically driven polarisation and selective hyperskepticism are at work. The same factors we have been seeing with HCQ etc. KFkairosfocus_{April 12, 2020
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Folks, My own way towards Id was shaped by thermodynamics and particularly the statistical form; cf. my always linked. In key essence, the point is that we can set a space of possible outcomes W, where micro-states are consistent with macro-level gross state, so that we may cluster the microstates in relevant groups. What happens is readily seen by contemplating 1,000 coins . . . more relevantly, paramagnetic domains aligned with or against a weak B-field. Obviously, there are 2^1,000 possibilities. They form a peaked cluster dominated by being near 500:500 H:T, in no particular order. If we consider the coins to be continually agitated, in an enormous length of time far beyond age of cosmos to date, they would circulate through all states but on any reasonably observable time the cluster just described would dominate. Fluctuations beyond about 50 away from that peak would be rare indeed. And, were the coins to start in one of the unusual states, say HTHT . . . and were it allowed to change by agitation, it would strongly move towards that cluster with a maximum of statistical weight. That is in fact the heart of thermodynamics. Rich concentrations of energy or other special configurations tend towards that sort of equilibrium. As a result, heat tends to flow from a concentration to dissipate it by a sort of diffusion [and diffusion is actually a manifestation]. Where, too, uncontrolled energy injections tend to exponentially open up further configurations, leading to an even stronger tendency to the sort of sticky cluster of states spoken of. It normally takes configurational information driving a source of shaft work to build up special configurations. Tornadoes and hurricanes are possible on fluid flow but in turn do not tend to build a watch or fishing reel, much less a 747 when they pass through a junkyard. Precisely because of that domination of sets of micro-possibilities. In the case of the living cell, we have coded genetic information used in algorithmic processes that build proteins. That is language, goal-directed process and execution machinery. There is no reasonable case that such could come about by blind thermodynamic processes. Appeals to open systems are frankly misleading, for the reason already pointed out. Design. KFkairosfocus_{April 12, 2020
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@36 Ed George
I’m sitting here looking at the snow falling and concluding that the snowflakes must be designed because they have lower entropy than water and, by BA77’s logic, violating the 2nd law.
Wrong. The chemical bonding (between water molecules) is the 'part' that seeks to maximize entropy. The fact that what you see looks 'symmetrical' does not mean that it has lower entropy.Truthfreedom_{April 12, 2020
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That crappy survival of the fittest (individual organism) can not explain that:
1) Mutual cooperation marks living systems. A telling example of the importance of cooperative living – symbiosis – is the discovery that individual multi-cellular organisms, humans included, house as many bacterial cells – the microbiota – as eukaryote cells; indeed, healthy microbiota genes (the microbiome), which usually outnumber one’s inherited genes, are essential for health, and health is essential for adaptive survival. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5200945.1/?report=reader#!po=11.8750
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@66 Momentoftruth What the paper is highlighting are the serious flaws of the neo-darwinian narrative and offering a new perspective based on seeing life as a flux that consists in the creation of information and its subsequent destruction via entropy. Since science does not know how life originated (there is speculation), no scientist can offer proof of how that information (associated to 'life') originated.Truthfreedom_{April 12, 2020
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Of supplemental note; besides gravity, (i.e. entropy), being dealt with, the shroud also gives us evidence that Quantum Mechanics itself was dealt with. In the following paper, it was found that it was not possible to describe the image formation on the Shroud in classical terms but they found it necessary to describe the formation of the image on the Shroud in discrete quantum terms.
The absorbed energy in the Shroud body image formation appears as contributed by discrete (quantum) values - Giovanni Fazio, Giuseppe Mandaglio - 2008 Excerpt: This result means that the optical density distribution,, can not be attributed at the absorbed energy described in the framework of the classical physics model. It is, in fact, necessary to hypothesize a absorption by discrete values of the energy where the 'quantum' is equal to the one necessary to yellow one fibril. http://cab.unime.it/mus/541/1/c1a0802004.pdf
To give us a small glimpse of the power that was involved in Christ's resurrection from the dead, the following recent article found that, ”it would take 34 Thousand Billion Watts of VUV radiations to make the image on the shroud. This output of electromagnetic energy remains beyond human technology.”
Astonishing discovery at Christ’s tomb supports Turin Shroud – NOV 26TH 2016 Excerpt: The first attempts made to reproduce the face on the Shroud by radiation, used a CO2 laser which produced an image on a linen fabric that is similar at a macroscopic level. However, microscopic analysis showed a coloring that is too deep and many charred linen threads, features that are incompatible with the Shroud image. Instead, the results of ENEA “show that a short and intense burst of VUV directional radiation can color a linen cloth so as to reproduce many of the peculiar characteristics of the body image on the Shroud of Turin, including shades of color, the surface color of the fibrils of the outer linen fabric, and the absence of fluorescence”. ‘However, Enea scientists warn, “it should be noted that the total power of VUV radiations required to instantly color the surface of linen that corresponds to a human of average height, body surface area equal to = 2000 MW/cm2 17000 cm2 = 34 thousand billion watts makes it impractical today to reproduce the entire Shroud image using a single laser excimer, since this power cannot be produced by any VUV light source built to date (the most powerful available on the market come to several billion watts )”. Comment The ENEA study of the Holy Shroud of Turin concluded that it would take 34 Thousand Billion Watts of VUV radiations to make the image on the shroud. This output of electromagnetic energy remains beyond human technology. http://westvirginianews.blogspot.com/2011/12/new-study-claims-shroud-of-turin-is.html
One final note: allowing the Agent causality of God ‘back’ into physics, as the Christian founders of modern science originally envisioned,,,, (Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday, James Clerk Maxwell, and Max Planck, to name a few of the Christian founders),,, and as quantum mechanics itself now empirically demands (with the closing of the free will loophole by Anton Zeilinger and company), rightly allowing the Agent causality of God ‘back’ into physics provides us with a very plausible resolution for the much sought after ‘theory of everything’ in that Christ’s resurrection from the dead provides an empirically backed reconciliation, via the Shroud of Turin, between quantum mechanics and general relativity into the much sought after ‘Theory of Everything”. Here are a few posts where I lay out and defend some of the evidence for that claim: January 2020 https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/welcome-to-the-brave-new-world-of-science/#comment-690569 Verse and video
John 20:4-10 So they both ran together, and the other disciple outran Peter and came to the tomb first. And he, stooping down and looking in, saw the linen cloths lying there; yet he did not go in. Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; and he saw the linen cloths lying there, and the handkerchief that had been around His head, not lying with the linen cloths, but folded together in a place by itself. Then the other disciple, who came to the tomb first, went in also; and he saw and believed. For as yet they did not know the Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead. Then the disciples went away again to their own homes. Study with Holograms Reveal Words ‘The Lamb’ Under Turin Shroud Beard - video https://revelationstwelve.wordpress.com/2017/07/31/study-with-holograms-reveal-words-the-lamb-under-turin-shroud-beard/
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In further examining entropy, it is interesting to note that, "supermassive black holes are the largest contributor to the observable universe’s entropy" and that "supermassive black holes contribute about 30 times more entropy than what the previous research teams estimated."
Entropy of the Universe – Hugh Ross – May 2010 Excerpt: Egan and Lineweaver found that supermassive black holes are the largest contributor to the observable universe’s entropy. They showed that these supermassive black holes contribute about 30 times more entropy than what the previous research teams estimated. http://www.reasons.org/entropy-universe
And as the following article states, "when black holes form they do have thermodynamic properties and possess a colossal entropy.,,," and "the early universe began in an exceptionally uniform state, which, if Penrose is right, corresponds to a very low entropy. Since then entropy has greatly increased, above all through the formation of black holes.,,,"
The Mystery of Time’s Arrow - April 2019 Excerpt: As conscious beings, we are constantly aware of the relentless march of time. You can make an egg into an omelet, but you can’t turn an omelet back into an egg. Dropped glasses shatter and do not reassemble themselves. Above all, we age and become decrepit; there is no return to youth. But this is a great scientific mystery.,,, ,,, Einstein’s wonderful theory of gravity—his general theory of relativity—does show that when black holes form they do have thermodynamic properties and possess a colossal entropy.,,, Cosmological observations indicate that the early universe began in an exceptionally uniform state, which, if Penrose is right, corresponds to a very low entropy. Since then entropy has greatly increased, above all through the formation of black holes.,,, http://nautil.us/issue/71/flow/the-mystery-of-times-arrow-rp
In the following quote, Kip Thorne gives us a good illustration as to just how 'colossal' the entropy actually is of a black hole,
“Einstein’s equation predicts that, as the astronaut reaches the singularity (of the black-hole), the tidal forces grow infinitely strong, and their chaotic oscillations become infinitely rapid. The astronaut dies and the atoms which his body is made become infinitely and chaotically distorted and mixed-and then, at the moment when everything becomes infinite (the tidal strengths, the oscillation frequencies, the distortions, and the mixing), spacetime ceases to exist.” Kip S. Thorne – “Black Holes and Time Warps: Einstein’s Outrageous Legacy” pg. 476 of note: Kip Thorne and Charles Misner, and John Wheeler wrote Gravitation (1973), which was, or is, considered the definitive textbook on general relativity.
Thus since entropy is the primary reason why we grow old and die,
Entropy Explains Aging, Genetic Determinism Explains Longevity, and Undefined Terminology Explains Misunderstanding Both – 2007 Excerpt: There is a huge body of knowledge supporting the belief that age changes are characterized by increasing entropy, which results in the random loss of molecular fidelity, and accumulates to slowly overwhelm maintenance systems [1–4].,,, http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi/10.1371/journal.pgen.0030220 Genetic Entropy - Down Not Up – Dr. John Sanford – video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_edD5HOx6Q0 *3 new mutations every time a cell divides in your body * Average cell of 15 year old has up to 6000 mutations *Average cell of 60 year old has 40,000 mutations Reproductive cells are ‘designed’ so that, early on in development, they are ‘set aside’ and thus they do not accumulate mutations as the rest of the cells of our bodies do. Regardless of this protective barrier against the accumulation of slightly detrimental mutations still we find that,,, *60-175 mutations are passed on to each new generation.
And since gravity, specifically the gravity of black holes, are "the largest contributor to the observable universe’s entropy", then it follows that if Jesus really did conquer death in his resurrection from the dead, then Jesus must have somehow dealt with the entropy that is deeply associated with gravity. And that is exactly what has been found in the examination of the details of the Shroud of Turin, In the following video Isabel Piczek states,,, The muscles of the body are absolutely not crushed against the stone of the tomb. They are perfect. It means the body is hovering between the two sides of the shroud. What does that mean? It means there is absolutely no gravity.
“When you look at the image of the shroud, the two bodies next to each other, you feel that it is a flat image. But if you create, for instance, a three dimensional object, as I did, the real body, then you realize that there is a strange dividing element. An interface from which the image is projected up and the image is projected down. The muscles of the body are absolutely not crushed against the stone of the tomb. They are perfect. It means the body is hovering between the two sides of the shroud. What does that mean? It means there is absolutely no gravity. Other strange you discover is that the image is absolutely undistorted. Now if you imagine the clothe was wrinkled, tied, wrapped around the body, and all of the sudden you see a perfect image, which is impossible unless the shroud was made absolutely taut, rigidly taut.” Isabel Piczek - 2:20 mark Turin shroud – (Particle Physicist explains event horizon) – video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIpdIz5Rp3I
The following article states that 'The bottom part of the cloth (containing the dorsal image) would have born all the weight of the man’s supine body, yet the dorsal image is not encoded with a greater amount of intensity than the frontal image.'
Particle Radiation from the Body - July 2012 - M. Antonacci, A. C. Lind Excerpt: The Shroud’s frontal and dorsal body images are encoded with the same amount of intensity, independent of any pressure or weight from the body. The bottom part of the cloth (containing the dorsal image) would have born all the weight of the man’s supine body, yet the dorsal image is not encoded with a greater amount of intensity than the frontal image. Radiation coming from the body would not only explain this feature, but also the left/right and light/dark reversals found on the cloth’s frontal and dorsal body images. http://www.academicjournals.org/app/webroot/article/article1380798649_Antonacci.pdf
Kevin Moran, an optical engineer working on the mysterious '3D' nature of the Shroud image, states, "The radiation that made the image acted perfectly parallel to gravity. There is no side image.,,, It is not a continuum or spherical-front radiation that made the image, as visible or UV light. It is not the X-ray radiation that obeys the one over R squared law that we are so accustomed to in medicine. It is more unique,,, This suggests a quantum event where a finite amount of energy transferred abruptly. The fact that there are images front and back suggests the radiating particles were released along the gravity vector."
Optically Terminated Image Pixels Observed on Frei 1978 Samples - Kevin E. Moran - 1999 Discussion Pia’s negative photograph, from 1898, showed what looked to be a body that was glowing, but slightly submerged in a bath of cloudy water. This condition is more properly described as an image that is visible, at a distance, but by locally attenuated radiation. The unique front-and-back only image can be best described as gravitationally collimated. The radiation that made the image acted perfectly parallel to gravity. There is no side image. The radiation is parallel to gravity and, if moving at light speed, only lasted about 100 picoseconds. It is particulate in nature, colliding only with some of the fibers. It is not a continuum or spherical-front radiation that made the image, as visible or UV light. It is not the X-ray radiation that obeys the one over R squared law that we are so accustomed to in medicine. It is more unique,,, Theoretical model It is suggested that the image was formed when a high-energy particle struck the fiber and released radiation within the fiber at a speed greater that the local speed of light. Since the fiber acts as a light pipe, this energy moved out through the fiber until it encountered an optical discontinuity, then it slowed to the local speed of light and dispersed. Discussion The fact that the pixels don’t fluoresce suggests that the conversion to their now brittle dehydrated state occurred instantly and completely so no partial products remain to be activated by the ultraviolet light. This suggests a quantum event where a finite amount of energy transferred abruptly. The fact that there are images front and back suggests the radiating particles were released along the gravity vector. The radiation pressure may also help explain why the blood was "lifted cleanly" from the body as it transformed to a resurrected state." https://www.shroud.com/pdfs/moran.pdf
Thus we find that the entropy that is deeply associated with gravity, and is thus deeply associated with death itself, was 'mysteriously' dealt with in Jesus's resurrection from the dead. I find this 'defiance of gravity' witnessed in the Shroud of Turin to be yet another 'surprising' piece of evidence that further confirms the contention of Christianity that the primary reason why this entire universe exists in the first place is so that God could defeat death, (evil, and sin) once and for all:
Colossians 1:15-20 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
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