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Why Are Materialists Such Pollyannas? 

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In a recent exchange with Seversky I summarized his view of the Holocaust as follows:  “I personally disagree with the slaughter of every single Jew and homosexual, but that is just my view and if someone has a different view I cannot say their view is objectively bad and mine is objectively good. The only thing that matters is who is stronger.”  Sev responded:

Essentially right. I don’t believe there are any objective moral standards against which all other moralities can be measured. The moral code that will ultimately prevail will be the one that offers the broadest guarantees and protections to the greatest numbers of people. Extreme exclusivist ideologies or theologies are ultimately doomed in the same way that the Nazis were.

I would like to focus on this statement:  “The moral code that will ultimately prevail will be the one that offers the broadest guarantees and protections to the greatest numbers of people.”

No, if the only thing that matters is who is stronger, there is no meaningful moral code.  There are only the strong and the weak.  And the former impose their views on the latter without regard to “guarantees and protections.”  Sev writes as if there were some sort of necessary relationship between strength and benevolence.  What an odd thing to say.  History is one long lesson that the opposite is usually the case.

Sev continues:  “No matter how good [the Nazi] army was they were never going defeat the overwhelming numbers brought against them. That was always going to be their downfall”

The outcome of the war in Europe was a near run thing, especially in 1940.  Germany’s defeat appears inevitable only in retrospect.  But set that aside for a moment.  Over the course of 75 years, the Soviets killed tens of millions of their own people.  Yet the communists were never more than a tiny fraction of the population.  The same is even more true of Maoist China.  Yet, Sev writes as if there were some sort of necessary relationship between the number of people who do not wish to be killed or oppressed (always a large majority) and the chance that their views on the matter will prevail.  For hundreds of years the Roman Empire saw a tiny fraction of the population enslave large majorities of the rest of population.  Again, history is one long lesson that Sev’s view is false.  Throughout recorded history, it has usually been the case that ruthless minorities have oppressed weak majorities.

In summary, Sev is wrong when he says the Holocaust was not objectively evil.  If it was not, the word “evil” has no real meaning.  He is also wrong when he says that systems that offer the greatest protections for the most people will inevitably prevail.  He is also wrong when he says that majorities will always prevail over oppressive minorities.

These are not close questions.  As is so often the case, the real issue here is not the facts of the matter.  That Sev has failed to learn the overwhelming lessons of history is not really up for serious debate.  No, the far more interesting question is the psychology of the matter –Why would anyone in their right mind would hold such views?

Of course, Sev is not alone.  Many times we have seen materialists take to these pages to express their Whiggish view of history, as if the ratcheted progression from barbarism to liberal democracy was somehow inevitable and irreversible.  Why do they do it?  When it comes to history, why do materialists often make Pollyanna look like Eeyore?

The answer lies in the dissonance caused by their belief in a nihilistic absence of objective morality where there is no justice in any meaningful sense and the weak inevitably succumb to the strong.  They live on the edge of the abyss.  But they cannot allow themselves to believe they live on the edge of the abyss or that the abyss even exists.  Their psychological well being completely depends on pretending their views do not lead to a nihilistic law of the jungle, because strength will always be used for good.  Every time you see a materialist express his Whiggism, you can be sure he is simply averting his gaze from the abyss while pretending it does not exist.  I suppose it helps them sleep at night, but as Sev has demonstrated for us, as is often the case with those who deny reality, it causes them to say some insanely stupid things.

Not only are they Pollyannas, their refusal to face the ineluctable conclusions that follow from their premises makes them, as I have previously discussed, simpering cowards.

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I have seen the letter that Canada's Prime Minister sent to the Cabinet, September 10, 1939, stating that Hitler had invaded Poland and the country was then officially at war with Germany. At the time, my father was in an officers' training course, destined for the Royal Air Force (because many people suspected, for whatever reason, that Hitler would ignore promises if violence achieved his ends). Barry Arrington writes, -- When the only thing that matters is the strong prevailing over the weak, why should they care if they contradict themselves so long as they win in the end. And they are winning. Every time the liberal fascists impose their will on us it becomes more clear. -- But isn't that what Nietzsche taught? Violence is its own logic and needs no other. Many people, now as always, simply do not see what the triumph of such views will will mean for their own lives. Don't think you can live in peace when there is no peace. When global rage bunnies rule, that will not happen for you.News
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"Whitman is their man"
Then again, Whitman perhaps went a contradiction to far for atheists with this poem
Miracles Walt Whitman, 1819 - 1892 Why, who makes much of a miracle? As to me I know of nothing else but miracles, Whether I walk the streets of Manhattan, Or dart my sight over the roofs of houses toward the sky, Or wade with naked feet along the beach just in the edge of the water, Or stand under trees in the woods, Or talk by day with any one I love, or sleep in the bed at night with any one I love, Or sit at table at dinner with the rest, Or look at strangers opposite me riding in the car, Or watch honey-bees busy around the hive of a summer forenoon, Or animals feeding in the fields, Or birds, or the wonderfulness of insects in the air, Or the wonderfulness of the sundown, or of stars shining so quiet and bright, Or the exquisite delicate thin curve of the new moon in spring; These with the rest, one and all, are to me miracles, The whole referring, yet each distinct and in its place. To me every hour of the light and dark is a miracle, Every cubic inch of space is a miracle, Every square yard of the surface of the earth is spread with the same, Every foot of the interior swarms with the same. To me the sea is a continual miracle, The fishes that swim—the rocks—the motion of the waves—the ships with men in them, What stranger miracles are there?
On the other hand, since atheists live in a fantasy-land where everything, including sense of self and free will, becomes merely a materialistic illusion,,,
Atheistic Materialism/Naturalism - Where All of Reality Becomes an Illusion - video https://youtu.be/At6YNLBa2p0
,,since atheists live in a fantasy-land where everything, including sense of self and free will, becomes merely a materialistic illusion, I think Poe may be more to their liking
Edgar Allan Poe ~ A Dream Within A Dream, Poem with text https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5eSttc7ZPA
bornagain77
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BA:
It is almost as if atheists pride themselves on the logical contradictions in their arguments.
Yes, Whitman is their man:
Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes.
Walt Whitman But in a way it all makes sense. Sev admits that in his view the only thing that matters is who is stronger, not truth, not logic, not beauty, not morality. When the only thing that matters is the strong prevailing over the weak, why should they care if they contradict themselves so long as they win in the end. And they are winning. Every time the liberal fascists impose their will on us it becomes more clear.Barry Arrington
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Why Are Materialists Such Pollyannas? Pollyanna noun 1. an excessively or blindly optimistic person.
I have no idea. As you pointed out Mr. Arrington, they certainly have no reason, nor any hope, to be excessively optimistic or even to be reasonably optimistic.
"If atheism is true, it is far from being good news. Learning that we’re alone in the universe, that no one hears or answers our prayers, that humanity is entirely the product of random events, that we have no more intrinsic dignity than non-human and even non-animate clumps of matter, that we face certain annihilation in death, that our sufferings are ultimately pointless, that our lives and loves do not at all matter in a larger sense, that those who commit horrific evils and elude human punishment get away with their crimes scot free — all of this (and much more) is utterly tragic." ~Damon Linker - 'Must Atheists Be Nihilists?'
There is simply no way to derive any true meaning, purpose, and value for life without God. Dr. Craig makes this point clear in the following article and video:
The Absurdity of Life without God - William Lane Craig Conclusion Now I want to make it clear that I have not yet shown biblical Christianity to be true. But what I have done is clearly spell out the alternatives. If God does not exist, then life is futile. If the God of the Bible does exist, then life is meaningful. Only the second of these two alternatives enables us to live happily and consistently. Therefore, it seems to me that even if the evidence for these two options were absolutely equal, a rational person ought to choose biblical Christianity. It seems to me positively irrational to prefer death, futility, and destruction to life, meaningfulness, and happiness. As Pascal said, we have nothing to lose and infinity to gain. http://www.reasonablefaith.org/the-absurdity-of-life-without-god The absurdity of life without God by William Lane Craig – video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWRoJ9myovY
Moreover, although atheists may pretend, on the surface, that their lives are so much better without God, the fact of the matter is that beneath that facade, the lack of any ultimate meaning, purpose, and value in their lives takes a heavy toll on their personal lives
Atheism and health A meta-analysis of all studies, both published and unpublished, relating to religious involvement and longevity was carried out in 2000. Forty-two studies were included, involving some 126,000 subjects. Active religious involvement increased the chance of living longer by some 29%, and participation in public religious practices, such as church attendance, increased the chance of living longer by 43%.[4][5] http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_health “, I maintain that whatever else faith may be, it cannot be a delusion. The advantageous effect of religious belief and spirituality on mental and physical health is one of the best-kept secrets in psychiatry and medicine generally. If the findings of the huge volume of research on this topic had gone in the opposite direction and it had been found that religion damages your mental health, it would have been front-page news in every newspaper in the land.” - Professor Andrew Sims former President of the Royal College of Psychiatrists - Is Faith Delusion?: Why religion is good for your health - preface “In the majority of studies, religious involvement is correlated with well-being, happiness and life satisfaction; hope and optimism; purpose and meaning in life; higher self-esteem; better adaptation to bereavement; greater social support and less loneliness; lower rates of depression and faster recovery from depression; lower rates of suicide and fewer positive attitudes towards suicide; less anxiety; less psychosis and fewer psychotic tendencies; lower rates of alcohol and drug use and abuse; less delinquency and criminal activity; greater marital stability and satisfaction… We concluded that for the vast majority of people the apparent benefits of devout belief and practice probably outweigh the risks.” - Professor Andrew Sims former President of the Royal College of Psychiatrists - Is Faith Delusion?: Why religion is good for your health – page 100 https://books.google.com/books?id=PREdCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA100#v=onepage&q&f=false
Of supplemental note, As you did in this post, Mr. Arrington you have become fairly adept at spotting logical contradictions in the Atheist's arguments. Most people try to avoid any logical contradictions in their arguments like the plague. In fact, Wigner stated this was a "miracle that the human mind can string a thousand arguments together without getting itself into contradictions"
The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences - Eugene Wigner - 1960 Excerpt: ,,certainly it is hard to believe that our reasoning power was brought, by Darwin's process of natural selection, to the perfection which it seems to possess.,,, It is difficult to avoid the impression that a miracle confronts us here, quite comparable in its striking nature to the miracle that the human mind can string a thousand arguments together without getting itself into contradictions, or to the two miracles of the existence of laws of nature and of the human mind's capacity to divine them.,,, The miracle of the appropriateness of the language of mathematics for the formulation of the laws of physics is a wonderful gift which we neither understand nor deserve. We should be grateful for it and hope that it will remain valid in future research and that it will extend, for better or for worse, to our pleasure, even though perhaps also to our bafflement, to wide branches of learning. http://www.dartmouth.edu/~matc/MathDrama/reading/Wigner.html
And although most people certainly try to avoid logical contradictions in their arguments like the plague, so as to prevent their arguments from being refuted, Atheists are notorious for getting themselves into contradictions. It is almost as if atheists pride themselves on the logical contradictions in their arguments. Moreover, even when the contradictions in their arguments are pointed out to them, some times repeatedly pointed out, they usually never acknowledge their mistake and simply move on to another argument that inevitably contains yet another contradiction or perhaps just an unsupported assertion. This is bizarre that they would repeatedly do this. Why would anyone be so bent on such a irrational hatred towards God as to constantly make such fools of themselves in debates? (not to mention compromising the length and health of their earthly lives)
When Atheists Are Angry at God - 2011 Excerpt: I’ve never been angry at unicorns. It’s unlikely you’ve ever been angry at unicorns either.,, The one social group that takes exception to this rule is atheists. They claim to believe that God does not exist and yet, according to empirical studies, tend to be the people most angry at him. http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2011/01/when-atheists-are-angry-at-god Study explores whether atheism is rooted in reason or emotion - Jan. 2015 Excerpt: "A new set of studies in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology finds that atheists and agnostics report anger toward God either in the past or anger focused on a hypothetical image of what they imagine God must be like. Julie Exline, a psychologist at Case Western Reserve University and the lead author of this recent study, has examined other data on this subject with identical results. Exline explains that her interest was first piqued when an early study of anger toward God revealed a counterintuitive finding: Those who reported no belief in God reported more grudges toward him than believers." https://uncommondescent.com/just-for-fun/fun-study-explores-whether-atheism-is-rooted-in-reason-or-emotion/
bornagain77
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The majority isn't always right.Mung
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