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RNA-Directed DNA Methylation: The Evolution of a Complex Epigenetic Pathway in Flowering Plants

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The problem with epigenetic mechanisms is that they respond to future, unforeseen, environmental challenges. They don’t work in the present, and so even if random mutations somehow created such mechanisms, they would not be selected for. In other words, epigenetic mechanisms contradict evolutionary theory—there is no fitness improvement at the time of origin by random mutations, so there is no selection. Nor do evolutionists have an explanation for this—they don’t even try. Consider a paper discussing a particular epigenetic mechanism subtitled: “The Evolution of a Complex Epigenetic Pathway in Flowering Plants.”  Read more

8 Replies to “RNA-Directed DNA Methylation: The Evolution of a Complex Epigenetic Pathway in Flowering Plants

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    bornagain77 says:

    Darwinian evolution, and atheism in general, is built entirely upon illusions.

    First, all the supposed evidence for Darwinian evolution turns out to be illusory.

    ,,,we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only a variety of wishful speculations.’
    Franklin M. Harold,* 2001. The way of the cell: molecules, organisms and the order of life, Oxford University Press, New York, p. 205.
    *Professor Emeritus of Biochemistry, Colorado State University, USA

    “Grand Darwinian claims rest on undisciplined imagination”
    Dr. Michael Behe – 29:24 mark of following video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?f.....fM#t=1762s

    As well, as News pointed out the other day, even our perceptions of reality are untrustworthy and thus ‘illusory’ given materialistic premises.

    Evolution shows our perceptions are not real?
    http://www.uncommondescent.com.....-not-real/

    Moreover, even our sense of self, i.e. the belief that we really exist as real persons, which is the most sure thing we can know about reality, given materialistic premises, becomes illusory too.

    The Confidence of Jerry Coyne – Ross Douthat – January 6, 2014
    Excerpt: But then halfway through this peroration, we have as an aside the confession (by Coyne) that yes, okay, it’s quite possible given materialist premises that “our sense of self is a neuronal illusion.” At which point the entire edifice suddenly looks terribly wobbly — because who, exactly, is doing all of this forging and shaping and purpose-creating if Jerry Coyne, as I understand him (and I assume he understands himself) quite possibly does not actually exist at all? The theme of his argument is the crucial importance of human agency under eliminative materialism, but if under materialist premises the actual agent is quite possibly a fiction, then who exactly is this I who “reads” and “learns” and “teaches,” and why in the universe’s name should my illusory self believe Coyne’s bold proclamation that his illusory self’s purposes are somehow “real” and worthy of devotion and pursuit? (Let alone that they’re morally significant: But more on that below.) Prometheus cannot be at once unbound and unreal; the human will cannot be simultaneously triumphant and imaginary.
    http://www.uncommondescent.com.....ent-603820

    This ‘illusory’ nature inherent to atheism becomes even more acute when atheists try to explain the origin and sustaining of the universe, i.e. origin, fine-tuning and quantum wave collapse of the universe.

    WHAT SCIENTIFIC IDEA IS READY FOR RETIREMENT? Infinity – Max Tegmark – January 2014 and Feb. 2015
    Excerpt: Physics is all about predicting the future from the past, but inflation seems to sabotage this: when we try to predict the probability that something particular will happen, inflation always gives the same useless answer: infinity divided by infinity. The problem is that whatever experiment you make, inflation predicts that there will be infinitely many copies of you far away in our infinite space, obtaining each physically possible outcome, and despite years of tooth-grinding in the cosmology community, no consensus has emerged on how to extract sensible answers from these infinities. So strictly speaking, we physicists are no longer able to predict anything at all!
    http://blogs.discovermagazine......OsRyS7cBCA

    Fine Tuning, Pink Unicorns, and The Triune God – video
    https://www.facebook.com/philip.cunningham.73/videos/vb.100000088262100/1145151962164402/?type=2&theater

    Too many worlds – Philip Ball – Feb. 17, 2015
    Excerpt:,,, You measure the path of an electron, and in this world it seems to go this way, but in another world it went that way.
    That requires a parallel, identical apparatus for the electron to traverse. More – it requires a parallel you to measure it. Once begun, this process of fabrication has no end: you have to build an entire parallel universe around that one electron, identical in all respects except where the electron went. You avoid the complication of wavefunction collapse, but at the expense of making another universe.,,,
    http://aeon.co/magazine/scienc.....a-fantasy/

    Verse, Video and Music:

    2 Corinthians 10:5
    Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

    The Resurrection of Jesus Christ from Death as the “Theory of Everything” – video
    https://www.facebook.com/philip.cunningham.73/videos/vb.100000088262100/1143437869002478/?type=2&theater

    Hillsong United – Taya Smith – Touch The Sky – Acoustic Cover – Live – HD
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyl34fHQi3U

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    Zachriel says:

    Cornelius Hunter: The problem with epigenetic mechanisms is that they respond to future, unforeseen, environmental challenges.

    Epigenetic inheritance represents historical knowledge, knowledge of situations that often repeat themselves. For instance, epigenetics is involved in insect metamorphosis which can allow an organism to adapt to seasonal variations.

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    Mung says:

    For instance, epigenetics is involved in insect metamorphosis which can allow an organism to adapt to seasonal variations.

    That’s what Dr. Hunter just said. “Future, unforeseen, environmental challenges.”

    But natural selection can’t see into the future. It is selection from current function not selection for future function.

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    Mung says:

    As an intelligent designer, if I wanted to evolve a copying machine I’d begin with an existing copy machine.

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    Zachriel says:

    Mung: But natural selection can’t see into the future. It is selection from current function not selection for future function.

    No, but evolution is capable of “remembering” the past, and as environmental conditions often reoccur, it means that evolution can shape epigenetics to fit various possible futures.

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    Dionisio says:

    Since this thread also refers to epigenetics, perhaps it would help to review gpuccio’s comments on a similar topic:

    http://www.uncommondescent.com.....ent-603942

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    Arthur Hunt says:

    The problem with epigenetic mechanisms is that they respond to future, unforeseen, environmental challenges. They don’t work in the present, and so even if random mutations somehow created such mechanisms, they would not be selected for …

    This statement by Hunter is gibberish. Wherever he is talking about, it is not any sort of epigenetic mechanism that is known and studied in the life sciences community.

    Maybe he is channeling the inner Lysenko of the ID community.

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    Mung says:

    This statement by Hunter is gibberish.

    No it isn’t. I understood it. You could understand it too if you tried.

    And if it is in fact gibberish, where do you get off comparing it to Lysenkoism? Was Lysenkoism gibberish?

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