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Why does more gender equality lead to fewer women in science?


Free Engineering Vector Collection The Atlantic is asking:

Though their numbers are growing, only 27 percent of all students taking the AP Computer Science exam in the United States are female. The gender gap only grows worse from there: Just 18 percent of American computer-science college degrees go to women. This is in the United States, where many college men proudly describe themselves as “male feminists” and girls are taught they can be anything they want to be.

Meanwhile, in Algeria, 41 percent of college graduates in the fields of science, technology, engineering, and math—or “stem,” as it’s known—are female. There, employment discrimination against women is rife and women are often pressured to make amends with their abusive husbands.Olga Khazan, “The More Gender Equality, the Fewer Women in STEM” at The Atlantic

Some researchers think that the explanation is this: Women in more oppressive environments must get real about how they are going to improve their lives; the STEM subjects are more promising than Grievance Studies.

Meanwhile, a fellow set to become the World’s Most Hated Scientist has said:

At a workshop organised by Cern, Prof Alessandro Strumia of Pisa University said that “physics was invented and built by men, it’s not by invitation”.

He said male scientists were being discriminated against because of ideology rather than merit.

He was speaking at a workshop in Geneva on gender and high energy physics.

Prof Strumia has since defended his comments, saying he was only presenting the facts.

Last month, Prof Jocelyn Bell Burnell told the BBC she believed that unconscious bias against women prevented them from getting jobs in physics research. Pallab Ghosh, “Cern scientist: ‘Physics built by men – not by invitation’” at BBC

Right or wrong, the guy has guts. When you consider that someone out there might be threatening his kids (never mind that his bosses will probably find some way to get rid of him), it’s helpful to keep in mind that his remarks are only one man’s opinion. If people get unhinged over them… what are they hiding anyway? Genuine doubt about their position? At any rate, vengeful mobs are not the prettiest sight we’ll ever see.

The worst part is, there really is a serious problem today: the war on x and y (on math and science). And we hear little about Big Science taking a firm stand on the matter.

Hat tip: Ken Francis

See also: You think the SJW war on engineering is a joke… That is your mistake.

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Sokal hoaxes strike social science again! Darn! This all hit the fan before the UD NewVirutual Coffee Room got our paper extolling Grievance Trigonometry published in a major social sciences journal. 😉


Which side will atheists choose in the war on science? They need to re-evaluate their alliance with progressivism, which is doing science no favours.

1) Women have babies. A people can survive without science. But they ca't survive without babies. Women are designed to have babies. They are more important than men who are expendable. Women's equality is actually a lessening of status. 2) Men are smarter than women in sciences. The Greater Male Variability hypotheses explains the fact that at the highest levels of IQ men vastly outnumber women. Peter
There's a long tradition of women running businesses and doing intellectual jobs in most Islamic countries. If you're judging all of Islam by Saudi, you're falling for neocon propaganda. Indonesia and Pakistan have had female presidents. We haven't yet. polistra
When you factor in the time spent rising children, grooming themselves, decorating, and their social life, it makes sense that women have less stellar careers. This may also explain why they live longer and perhaps happier. In addition, women are more average while men are risk takers, hence all over the spectrum - the most criminals but also the most successful. And what's in the news all the time if not both those extremes? Nonlin.org
I just did a quick read of the OP and there was one thing that jumped out at me. The numbers from the US were only from the computer sciences whereas the numbers from Algeria included all of the sciences. I don't doubt that men dominate in the computer sciences. This may be an offshoot of the fact that computer gaming is also dominated by males. Men and women are physiologically different. It shouldn't surprise us that, on average, they will have different interests. R J Sawyer
One other factor to throw in the mix: In some countries, software engineering is not necessarily considered a very desirable job. At least that's what quite a few people from other countries have told me. It may be a ticket to the middle class, and hopefully their children will do better. None of my acquaintances are from Algeria, Tunisia, or UAE, however, but perhaps there is a similar dynamic there. daveS
All I can say is that my brilliant youngest daughter was driven out of her Biology major by a simply insane (and incompetent) professor (from a foreign country) who failed her twice in a required Biology course. The university's administration backed the professor 100%. My daughter dropped out after 5 years of college with no degree. But otherwise, I must have worked with 20 male engineers and computer geeks for every 1 female doing the same kind of work. And it always seemed that the women got the opportunity to do NON-technical stuff when they got bored. This is not to say the men were any GOOD. Most of the problems I saw in Government programs were CREATED by engineers and programmers who thought they were being "creative" because they secretly believed they were Artists. vmahuna

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