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Why the moon isn’t made of green cheese (Part One of a reply to Professor Keith Parsons)

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Wikipedia image of the full moon, taken from Belgium. Courtesy of Luc Viatour.

A few months ago, Keith Parsons, Professor of Philosophy at the University of Houston-Clear-Lake, announced that after having taught the philosophy of religion for a decade, during which time he managed to publish over twenty books and articles on the subject, he had decided that this particular field of philosophy was no longer worth teaching, as there was no good case to be made for the existence of God:

I have to confess that I now regard “the case for theism” as a fraud and I can no longer take it seriously enough to present it to a class as a respectable philosophical position – no more than I could present intelligent design as a legitimate biological theory. BTW, in saying that I now consider the case for theism to be a fraud, I do not mean to charge that the people making that case are frauds who aim to fool us with claims they know to be empty. No, theistic philosophers and apologists are almost painfully earnest and honest; I don’t think there is a Bernie Madoff in the bunch. I just cannot take their arguments seriously any more, and if you cannot take something seriously, you should not try to devote serious academic attention to it. I’ve turned the philosophy of religion courses over to a colleague. (Emphasis mine – VJT.)

Parsons’ choice of words – “I now regard ‘the case for theism’ as a fraud” – ignited a firestorm of controversy, which he now regrets: “I’m afraid what precipitated the thing going viral is that I said it was a fraud, which I shouldn’t have said, because ‘fraud’ implies an intentional attempt to fool people,” Parsons says. However, Parsons has not wavered in his firm belief that the case for God’s existence is utterly devoid of intellectual merit.

Professor Parsons’ unfinished business

Professor Parsons has since written two follow-up posts (see here and most recently, here) to his original announcement on September 1, 2010, that he was quitting philosophy of religion. In today’s post, I’d like to go back to something he wrote near the end of his original announcement, suggesting that he was not quite done with the philosophy of religion:

For instance, the Secular Web has a long critique of my essay “No Creator Need Apply,” and I might respond to that.

Professor Parsons was referring to his online essay, No Creator Need Apply: A Reply to Roy Abraham Varghese (2006), which, I have to say, is one of the best critiques of the cosmological argument for the existence of God that I have ever read. However, after reading the brilliant refutation by Professor Paul Herrick, Job Opening: Creator of the Universe – A Reply to Keith Parsons (2009), I was extremely surprised that Parsons had contemptuously written off the case for theism as without merit in his announcement last September that he would no longer be teaching the philosophy of religion. Any unbiased reader of Parsons’ and Herrick’s essays would acknowledge that Herrick has written a devastating rebuttal of Parsons’ arguments, and unless Parsons can write an equally devastating counter-rebuttal, his retirement from the field of philosophy of religion will look like an ignominious retreat.

Readers may be wondering why I am bothering to write a series of posts on the Parsons-Herrick exchange, if it was so one-sided. The short answer is: I don’t think that even the cleverest atheists fully appreciate the strengths of the intellectual case for theism. Reading Parsons’ essay, I detected a hint of exasperation: evidently Parsons thinks that theists spend a lot of time asking silly questions that should not be asked. Before Professor Parsons attempts a reply to Professor Herrick, I hope that he will take the trouble to read my forthcoming posts, which are intended to address a few issues that Herrick did not have time to discuss in his lengthy rebuttal of Parsons’ essay.

Is “Why isn’t the moon made of green cheese?” a silly question?

In my first post, I’d like to focus on a single paragraph in Parsons’ essay, in which he attempts to show that the question, “Why is the universe the way it is?” is a meaningless one, by likening it to the question, “Why isn’t the moon made of green cheese?”

Why should it surprise us that there is a universe? Why should it surprise us that we have this universe? What else should we expect? Of course, we can imagine that there might (i.e., conceivably could) have been nothing at all or that all sorts of other universes might have existed instead of ours, but this need not create any mystery. There are always innumerable imaginable possibilities whose failure to be realized creates no mystery at all. The moon could conceivably have been made of cheese, but it is no mystery that it isn’t. In general, it is no mystery why something does not exist unless, given our background knowledge, its existence was expected, or at least no more unexpected than what does exist. Nothing in our knowledge base supports the slightest expectation that the moon would be made of cheese. Nor do we have any basis for thinking that some other (ex hypothesi eternal) universe should have existed all along instead of ours. Therefore, it is hard to see how asking “Why doesn’t some other universe exist?” is very different from asking “Why don’t we have a moon made out of cheese?” (Emphasis mine – VJT.)

But is “Why isn’t the moon made of green cheese?” a silly question, which we shouldn’t even bother asking, as Parsons seems to think? For my part, I think that the question makes perfect sense, and that it would be flippant to answer, “Why should it be?” as Parsons evidently thinks we should.

Surprisingly, in the very next paragraph of his essay, Parsons inadvertently refutes his own example of what he considers to be a stupid question (“Why isn’t the moon made of green cheese?”), by providing the grounds that make it a reasonable question:

In scientific contexts, when only one out of a range of relevant alternatives (what Bas van Fraassen calls the “contrast class”; Van Fraassen, 1980) is realized, we naturally and rightly assume that there is some reason why this happened rather than that. We rightly assume that there were physical antecedents and relevant physical laws that determined, at least probabilistically, the occurrence of one event out of a contrast class.

Scientists are currently investigating the interior composition of the moon. A few days ago, a team of NASA-led researchers concluded that the Moon possesses an iron-rich core with a solid inner ball nearly 150 miles in radius, and a 55-mile thick outer fluid shell. In making this determination, the team had to consider what Professor Parsons refers to as “a range of relevant alternatives” regarding the moon’s interior composition. In such a situation, scientists “naturally and rightly assume that there is some reason why this happened rather than that” – to quote Parsons’ own words. For instance, why is the moon’s core composed of iron, rather than silicates?

But if the question, “Why is the moon’s core composed of iron, rather than silicates?” is a reasonable one, then it is also reasonable to ask: “Why is the moon’s core composed of iron, rather than cheese?” which in turn entails that the question, “Why isn’t the moon made of green cheese?” is a perfectly sensible one. Incidentally, for the benefit of readers who may be wondering, the term “green cheese” originally referred to a young, immature cheese:

“The Moon is made of green cheese” was one of the most popular proverbs in 16th and 17th century English literature, and it was also in use after this time. It likely originated in 1546, when The Proverbs of John Heywood claimed “the moon is made of a greene cheese.” (Greene may refer here not to the color, as many now think, but to being new or unaged.)

How might one answer such a question? Again, Professor Parsons tells us himself: by appealing to “physical antecedents and relevant physical laws that determined, at least probabilistically, the occurrence of one event out of a contrast class.” The contrast class in question here is the range of proposed alternatives for the composition of the moon. In asking such a question, today’s scientists would presumably confine their range of alternatives to minerals that are known to exist on Earth, and they would surely laugh at the very idea that the moon is made of cheese. However, a young child, who is lacking scientific knowledge, might well take the possibility seriously. Indeed, a 1902 study in the United States found that although most young children were unsure of the Moon’s composition, the single most common explanation was that it was made of cheese (Slaughter, J. W. (1902), “The Moon in Childhood and Folklore,” American Journal of Psychology XIII: 294–318). And if that strikes readers as ridiculous, let them recall that the Greek philosopher Aristotle believed that the moon and other heavenly bodies were composed of an imperishable fifth element (aether, which was later known as “quintessence”). A large number of medieval scholastic philosophers, including St. Thomas Aquinas, followed Aristotle in this opinion, since it explained not only the apparently uniform circular motion of the heavenly bodies, but also the unchanging character of these bodies, which appeared immune to the corruption that terrestrial bodies were liable to. The point I am making here is that not too long ago, scientists had no way of knowing that the moon wasn’t made of green cheese, and the alternatives they considered, such as quintessence, were no less bizarre. It is only in the light of current knowledge that we no longer bother asking why the moon isn’t made of green cheese. This current knowledge relates to what Professor Parsons describes as “physical antecedents and relevant physical laws.”

So, why isn’t the moon made of green cheese?

Is there any physical law that prevents the moon being composed of green cheese? No; and for that matter, there is none that prevents it being composed of silver. However, there are laws of nature that make it extremely unlikely that a moon composed of green cheese would arise by natural processes from a cloud of hydrogen and cosmic dust, which is the raw material from which the solar system is believed to have been formed. To see why, let’s consider what cheese consists of:

Cheese consists of proteins and fat from milk, usually the milk of cows, buffalo, goats, or sheep. It is produced by coagulation of the milk protein casein. Typically, the milk is acidified and addition of the enzyme rennet causes coagulation. The solids are separated and pressed into final form.

Readers who want to learn more about the structure of casein can go here. Amazingly, even in the 21st century, scientists still aren’t able to properly visualize its true structure.

Cheese is normally made by human beings, but it doesn’t have to be. According to Wikipedia, “it is probable that the process of cheese making was discovered accidentally by storing milk in a container made from the stomach of an animal, resulting in the milk being turned to curd and whey by the rennet from the stomach.” Indeed, legend has it that cheese was discovered by the Arabs in precisely this fashion. But this still begs the question: to make cheese, you need milk, which contains proteins. And an inquisitive child, upon being told about proteins, would reasonably ask: how did proteins form, in the first place?

Uncommon Descent readers will be very familiar with the arguments as to why the formation of a protein by natural processes is an astronomically improbable event (see here, here, here, here and here for examples). I hope that Professor Parsons takes the trouble to acquaint himself with these arguments, as they are based on cutting-edge research. Since cheese largely consists of proteins, we may fairly conclude that while there is nothing which physically prevents the moon from being composed of cheese, the formation of such a moon as a result of natural processes is vanishingly unlikely.

So, how would I answer a young child’s question: “Why isn’t the moon made of green cheese?” If the child was about five years old, I’d answer it like this. To make cheese, you need milk. The only way you can make milk naturally is from animals like cows, who feed their babies with it. There are no animals on the moon, and there never have been. Animals need air, and the moon doesn’t have any, because it’s too small to keep its air. So there’s no way of naturally making a moon out of cheese, let alone green cheese. The key notion being deployed here is that certain raw materials (e.g. milk, from which cheese is made) have a characteristic natural origin: they originate in this way, and no other.

If the child was aged eight years or older, I would add that scientists believed that all of the matter in the universe was originally a very light gas called hydrogen, and that over the course of time, other heavier elements formed, such as iron. Carbon (found in the proteins contained in cheese) formed too, but it was just one of many elements. So even if cheese could form naturally from the elements, without the need for animals, it would be very unlikely that the moon would contain nothing but cheese – a bit like flipping a million coins and getting nothing but heads. At this level, the answer to the child’s question, “Why isn’t the moon made of green cheese?” invokes a rudimentary notion of probability.

If the child were ten years or older, I would further add that the most popular scientific theory of the moon’s origin is that it was formed from the debris left over when another planet collided with Earth. To encourage the child to keep an open mind, I would also mention that some scientists are proposing a new theory of the moon’s formation, according to which a massive nuclear explosion occurred at the edge of Earth’s core, flinging red-hot, liquid rock into space. The orbiting debris gradually coalesced into what is now our moon. No matter which theory is correct, however, the logic is the same: since the Earth isn’t made of green cheese, we wouldn’t expect the moon to be. So the answer to the child’s question in this case depends on the added piece of information that the Earth materially contributed to the moon’s formation.

I hope I have persuaded readers that the question, “Why isn’t the moon made of green cheese?” is a reasonable one, which can be sensibly answered in a way that even a young child can understand.

Concluding remarks

Before I conclude my post for today, I’d like to say that I have the greatest respect for Professor Parsons’ intellectual honesty: he has even acknowledged that he could be converted to theism: “if all the galaxies in the great Virgo cluster, suddenly were rearranged so that, when viewed from earth, they spelled out ‘Turn or Burn! This Means You Parsons!’ (and if all the world’s astronomers also saw and reported this), then I would be in the front pew of the church or synagogue of my choice next time its doors were open.” He is also a great admirer of Aristotle’s Nicomachean Ethics. An atheist who is a fan of Aristotle can’t be all bad.

In my next post, I shall argue that the question, “Why doesn’t some other universe exist?” is a good one, which theists are perfectly entitled to ask and seek an answer to. In the meantime, I hope that the links given above on the unlikelihood of proteins forming from inanimate matter will persuade Professor Parsons to reconsider his bald assertion that Intelligent Design is not a “legitimate biological theory.”

Comments
TJG: Dr Torley has simplified somewhat, but the basic big bang cosmology is much like that. Out of the singularity, to H, He, some Li and a fair amount of exotic stuff, in an expanding cosmos. Thence, stars [that cook up heavier elements and give off light through fusion], galaxies and when enough heavier elements are available [big stars blow up and recirculate gases], stars with solar systems and terrestrial planets. We are held to have got lucky [very, very, very lucky . . . ], and through chem evo, life thence us via macro-evolution. Oddly enough the cosmological part of it has better empirical and theoretical/analytical support than the claimed chemical origin of life, and macro-evolution. (Cf cosmological evo remarks here, vs those for OOL and OO body plan level biodiversity.] In no case, however, are we in a position to decide that the reconstruction of the past through scientific models and limited observations that have been matched to projected observational consequences, amounts to we know the course of the deep past for a fact. GEM of TKIkairosfocus
January 11, 2011
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VJ, Is this what evolutionists really believe? "...natural processes from a cloud of hydrogen and cosmic dust, which is the raw material from which the solar system is believed to have been formed." "I would add that scientists believed that all of the matter in the universe was originally a very light gas called hydrogen,...." It seems a bit silly to me to think that hydrogen gas simply turned into everything that we see around us today! So basically what we're saying is that if we leave hydrogen gas long enough, it will turn into a person? That's too far out for me!tjguy
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jkcates: "I think a basic tenant of atheism is that there is indeed no real “choice”, i.e. no free will" And so it is. Excuse me, Mark, but I like to call things with their true names. You know my opinion about compatibilism. I agree with you that it is not probably the case to go back on that here. But I just wanted to state my opinion again, as you have stated yours: compatibilism is an intellectual fraud.gpuccio
January 11, 2011
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nullasalus (#3, #5) Thank you for your comments. I also noticed Professor Parsons' closing remark about the clash of metaphysical intuitions between himself and Christian apologists such as William Lane Craig. I don't think we can necessarily conclude from that, however, that people will continue being atheists if they want to be. That assumes that people always adjust their intuitions to suit their lifestyle preferences - which I think is just a little cynical (although certainly true for some). It occasionally happens, however, that an atheist, upon hearing of the arguments for God's existence, discovers (to his/her surprise) that his/her metaphysical intuitions are more closely aligned with those of theists. Such an atheist may eventually switch sides, because the theistic worldview makes more sense. The question I would like to answer is: how do people acquire these metaphysical intuitions in the first place? What role do parents have, for instance? And do children who are raised in households where they are free to explore Nature (e.g. by going hiking in the woods, or looking at the stars through a telescope) have a greater sense of Nature's sheer contingency than children who learn about Nature from books? I don't know. Re your remark on atheists who oppose materialism: Raymond Tallis is another noble example of a prominent example of an atheist (and a medical man at that) who rejects a materialist account of mind. His recent article, How can I possibly be free? in The New Atlantis is well worth reading, as well as his article, Conscious computers are a delusion in The Guardian, and his irreverent article, In search of the G-spot in New Humanist magazine. I may write a post on his views later this month.vjtorley
January 11, 2011
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JDH, I have always thought that one of the fundamental tenets of atheism is that nothing occurs except by random chance or by result of physical laws. That's incorrect, though not for the reason given. That's a fundamental tenet of materialism, not atheism. And even then, more a certain kind of materialism, since what counts as "physical" or "material" has been blown open almost as wide as what counts as "natural". To give a good example, even though he doesn't speak much about free will - David Chalmers is a prominent anti-materialist, but also an atheist. He's not alone. While I have no great fondness for most atheists/"atheists", it's not fair to regard them all as materialists, or even as naturalists. Some have more sense than that.nullasalus
January 11, 2011
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#1 and #2 There is a long and respectable tradition of compatabilism which I subscribe to. We hold that free will is compatible with determinism or determinism+random fluctuations. I don't plan to argue the case for compatabilism yet again on this forum. See this post on my blog for an earlier discussion with vj. I just want to point out that free will is not a "dirty secret" of atheism.markf
January 10, 2011
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Actually, one part of the linked article that stood out to me was this: Although Parsons is done arguing with a field that seems committed to a particular perspective, he concludes his post by saying that he hopes others will continue the fight. But what he doesn’t make explicit in his post is a disheartening subtext to his decision: that in our pursuit of truth, argument may only take us so far. “Philosophy of religion,” says Parsons, “is inevitably speculative and inconclusive.” Although he has no doubt that the theistic arguments for God’s existence have been thoroughly rebutted, he allows that the atheistic arguments he finds persuasive might not be nearly as persuasive to another rational person who happens to have different intuitions. “There are certain things William Lane Craig takes to be metaphysical intuitions, like that it’s undeniable that the universe must have had a cause—and for me it’s not. My intuitions are quite different,” Parsons says. And what then? He adds, “And then, once we’ve reached that point, there’s just no further to go.” I think that says a lot, actually, and probably hints at why even a great argument in defense of the PSR will only do so much. A person who really wants to be an atheist will, even if unable to find a flaw in Herrick's (or someone else's) argument, can and will just determine that the inability to find a flaw is a project for them to solve, not a reason to change their position necessarily, even on what's being argued. Another comment I have is on this: Before I conclude my post for today, I’d like to say that I have the greatest respect for Professor Parsons’ intellectual honesty: he has even acknowledged that he could be converted to theism: “if all the galaxies in the great Virgo cluster, suddenly were rearranged so that, when viewed from earth, they spelled out ‘Turn or Burn! This Means You Parsons!’ (and if all the world’s astronomers also saw and reported this), then I would be in the front pew of the church or synagogue of my choice next time its doors were open.” This gets the same reply from me as it does when Coyne made the move: Does that sound much at all like the God of Christianity, or even classical theism more generally? What if a person said "if God sent a choir of angels to my house to vomit two billion dollars in gold bullion onto my floor that spelled out 'Praise God!', I'd believe". Is that a sign of intellectual honesty and reason with regards to God's existence? Or suggestive commentary on just how they're approaching the question of God to begin with? That said, I agree with much in the post, and in Herrick's reply. (Though I think Herrick gives too much - indeed, I think even a contingent God or gods are in better shape than Herrick thinks compared to atheism.)nullasalus
January 10, 2011
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@JDH I think a basic tenant of atheism is that there is indeed no real “choice”, i.e. no free will (which has always seemed a dirty secret of atheism to me but so be it). So, if I am understanding the position correctly, as a human being I have no choice over either my genetic makeup, nor my environment which produced me (ergo both nature and nurture are out of my control). Therefore, it seems that whatever type of person I have turned out to be, whether pillar of the community or psychopath, it has been entirely determined by forces out of my control. Since I am neither trained nor versed completely in the argument, I can not say this is a fair representation of materialism, but it seems inescapable. So, to answer your question, yes – choice would negate the concept...but atheism rejects choice as being only an illusion? just an opinionjkcates
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Question - I have always thought that one of the fundamental tenets of atheism is that nothing occurs except by random chance or by result of physical laws. But "choices" can not be either random or produced by physical laws. So does not the mere existence of choice disprove atheism?JDH
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