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The vast majority of people who live in Louisiana hold beliefs about the human mind and about free will which are broadly compatible with those of Darwin’s contemporary, Alfred Russel Wallace (pictured right), but diametrically opposed to those of Charles Darwin (pictured left). However, the National Center for Science Education wants Darwin’s materialistic version of evolution, which denies free will, to be taught in American high schools.
Left: A photo of Charles Darwin taken circa 1854. Center: St. Louis Cathedral, New Orleans. Right: A photo of Alfred Russel Wallace in 1862. Images courtesy of Messrs. Maull and Fox, Nowhereman86, James Marchant and Wikipedia.

(Part three of a series of posts in response to Zack Kopplin. See here for Part one and here for Part two.)

This series of posts is dedicated to the people of Louisiana, most of whom support the 2008 Louisiana Science Education Act (LSEA), which allows teachers to encourage the open and objective discussion of scientific theories, including evolution and origin-of-life theories, in high school science classrooms. The Louisiana Senate Bill 374, which was filed by Senator Karen Peterson, would take away this freedom, and require high school students to be taught the Darwinian theory of evolution which is presented in officially approved science textbooks – and no other theory.

Many people who would describe themselves as “theistic evolutionists” see Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution as compatible with their theological beliefs. Science, they would say, describes how things happen, while religion explains why they happen. Science is about the physical world, while religion is about the underlying spiritual dimension of reality, which science does not attempt to explain. Consequently, they reason, Darwin’s theory of evolution has nothing to say about the religious belief that each of us has an immortal, spiritual soul created by God, or that each of us has free will. If people want to believe these things, they can, while still remaining good Darwinists. Many Catholics, in particular, rationalize their support of Darwinian evolution in this way. About 25% of Louisiana’s population are Catholics, so I hope some of them are reading this.

The aim of this post will be to demonstrate that belief in Darwinian evolution is totally incompatible with belief in an immaterial human soul and belief in free will, in the ordinary sense of the term. I shall attempt to demonstrate that Darwinian evolution is essentially a materialistic, deterministic theory. The reason why I maintain that the Darwinian theory of evolution is essentially materialistic and deterministic has to do with what counts as a proper scientific explanation, for Darwinists.

Before I do that, however, I’d like to compare the beliefs of the people of Louisiana with those of Charles Darwin, regarding the human soul and free will. The reason why I’m doing this is a very simple one: for those readers who live in the United States, it’s your money which is funding the high schools in your state. Why should taxes paid by decent, hard-working Louisianans, or people in any other American state for that matter, be spent on the indoctrination of their children in a worldview which is diametrically opposed to the beliefs of ordinary Americans on matters of morality, not to mention religion? Common sense would suggest that’s just not right. I shall attempt to demonstrate in this post that materialism and the denial of free will – notions that most Americans would vehemently reject – are part-and-parcel of the Darwinian theory of evolution. The implications of this debate on Darwinism should be obvious enough. Anyone who thinks that students’ moral behavior will remain unaffected after they are convinced that they don’t have free will clearly has rocks in his head.


What do the people of Louisiana believe about the human soul and about free will?


Baton Rouge skyline. Courtesy of UrbanPlanetBR and Wikipedia.

Citing the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, Wikipedia lists the current religious affiliations of the people of Louisiana as follows:

Christian: 90%

Protestant: 60%

Evangelical Protestant 31%
Historically black Protestant: 20%
Mainline Protestant 9%

Roman Catholic: 28%
Other Christian: 2%
Jehovah’s Witnesses: 1%

Other Religions: 2%

Islam: 1%
Buddhism: 1%
Judaism: less than 0.5%

Non-religious (unaffiliated): 8%

Looking at these figures, we can see that the vast majority of Louisianans hold beliefs about the human soul and about free will which are totally at variance with the teachings of Darwinian evolution. A solid majority of people in the state of Louisiana would accept the following three propositions:

1. Each human being has an immaterial and immortal soul, created by God.

2. Our higher mental acts – in particular, our thoughts and our free decisions – cannot be identified with movements of neurons in the brain. Rather, they are immaterial, spiritual actions.

3. Each human being has libertarian free will: that is,
(i) our choices are not determined by circumstances beyond our control, such as our heredity or environment; and
(ii) whenever we make a choice, we could have chosen otherwise.

The vast majority of Christians, as well as many Jews and Muslims, would subscribe to propositions 1 and 2. Jews, Buddhists and nearly all Christians would subscribe to proposition 3, as well as many people who would not describe themselves as religious. Darwinian evolution denies all three propositions.

But before I go on, I’d like to briefly focus on the beliefs of the Catholic Church, which is Louisiana’s largest religious community.


The teaching of the Catholic Church concerning the human soul

Curiously, there are some highly educated people who call themselves Catholics, and who are under the mistaken impression that belief in an immortal, immaterial soul is an “optional extra” which Catholics are no longer required to accept, and which the Church will quietly drop in another 50 years or so. Nothing could be further from the truth.

It is an article of faith among Catholics that each and every human soul is immaterial, that it is created immediately by God, and that it survives bodily death. As the Catechism of the Catholic Church puts it in paragraph 366:

366 The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God – it is not “produced” by the parents – and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection.(235)

The footnote (#235) gives the following citation:

235 Cf. Pius XII, Humani Generis: DS 3896; Paul VI, CPG 8; Lateran Council V (1513): DS 1440.

The first reference is to Pope Pius XII’s 1950 encyclical Humani Generis, which states in paragraph 36 that “the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God.”

The second reference is to Pope Paul VI’s Credo of the People of God (issued on June 30, 1968), which contains the following statement:

We believe in one only God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, creator of things visible such as this world in which our transient life passes, of things invisible such as the pure spirits which are also called angels, and creator in each man of his spiritual and immortal soul.

The third reference is to a proclamation made by Pope Leo X on 19 December 1513, at the eighth session of the ecumenical Fifth Lateran council, and ratified by that council, declaring that each human being has a unique, immaterial soul:

… [W]e condemn and reject all those who insist that the intellectual soul is mortal, or that it is only one among all human beings, and those who suggest doubts on this topic.

Well, I hope that puts to rest the canard that belief in a spiritual soul, created by God, is no longer Catholic doctrine.

Catholics make up one-quarter of Louisiana’s population. One would therefore expect them to be appalled at the very suggestion that their children should be taught a scientific theory which is avowedly materialistic and deterministic, while they are attending high school. (In case readers are wondering, the percentage of Catholic children attending parochial schools in the United States is minuscule: according to Wikipedia, only 15 percent of Catholic children in America attended Catholic elementary schools, in 2009, and among Latinos, the fastest-growing group in the Catholic Church — soon to comprise a majority of Catholics in the United States — the proportion is just 3 percent.)

I therefore find it odd that there has been a deafening silence from the Catholic Church on the question of whether high school students should be exposed to alternatives to Darwinian evolution in science classes, such as Alfred Russel Wallace’s theory, which acknowledges the reality of a spiritual realm while accepting the common descent of living organisms. I therefore hope that this post will serve as a little wake-up call to the Church hierarchy. And for those clergymen who are worried about another Galileo case, I would reply that: (a) unlike Darwin, Galileo was firmly convinced of the reality of the human soul (as I’ll show in my sixth post), and (b) a biological theory which is essentially materialistic and deterministic, and which is taught to high school science students as an established fact, will destroy the faith of the next generation of Catholics far more effectively than any public tussle between science and religion.


Why a Darwinian evolutionist cannot consistently believe in the human soul or in free will

There are two reasons why a Darwinian evolutionist is committed to a materialistic account of the human mind.

First, if you want to call yourself a believer in neo-Darwinian evolution, then you have to believe that it is an all-encompassing theory of living things, just as the atomic theory is an all-encompassing theory of chemistry. You have to believe that the theory of evolution is capable of explaining all of the characteristics of each species of organism. The theory of evolution stands or falls on its claim to be a complete biological theory. As Theodosius Dobzhansky memorably put it in a 1973 essay in The American Biology Teacher (volume 35, pages 125-129): “Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.” Consequently, if you believe that there are organisms on this planet, such as human beings, that possess characteristics which evolution is unable to account for, then you cannot call yourself an evolutionist, and you certainly cannot call yourself a bona fide Darwinist.

Human beings are animals. One feature which human beings possess is consciousness. If you believe that consciousness cannot be explained in materialistic terms, then you cannot call yourself a consistent Darwinian evolutionist.

The second reason has to do with the nature of a scientific explanation. As we’ll see, Darwin and his followers held that the only proper kind of scientific explanation is one that brings a class of phenomena under the scope of a universal law, which is fixed and deterministic. Any other kind of explanation is inadequate, because it fails to generate useful predictions. Darwin and his fellow evolutionists looked forward to the day when everything in Nature would be explained in the same way that scientists explain the orbits of the planets: in terms of fixed, deterministic laws.

In this post, I’m going to examine in detail what Charles Darwin wrote, in his scientific works and his private notebooks, about the evolution of the human mind. What I shall endeavor to show is the following:

(a) For Darwin, a good scientific explanation is one which appeals to physical laws, which are conceived of as fixed and deterministic;

(b) Darwin maintained that our thoughts could be explained in terms of law-governed physical processes;

(c) Darwin explicitly rejected the view that there was anything special about human intellectual capacities;

(d) Darwin viewed the difference between humans and other animals as being one of degree rather than kind;

(e) Darwin held that natural selection was fully capable of explaining the origin of human mental faculties, and actively opposed Wallace’s view that only the guidance of a Higher Intelligence could account for the origin of man; and

(f) Darwin was a determinist who maintained that human choices were also the outcome of blind natural forces, and that none of us was responsible for our actions.

N. B. In the quotations below, all bold emphases are mine, while those in italics are the author’s.


(a) For Darwin, a good scientific explanation is one which appeals to deterministic physical laws


The bodies in our solar system move according to fixed, deterministic laws. Darwin and his champion, Thomas Henry Huxley both maintained that any genuine scientific explanation should explain phenomena according to such laws. Without fixed and deterministic laws, a scientific theory is useless for making predictions. Image courtesy of NASA and Wikipedia.

In order to better grasp why Darwinism could never tolerate making a special exception for human beings, we need to understand what Darwin believed a genuine scientific explanation should be able to accomplish.

Darwin set out the conditions that he believed a good scientific explanation must satisfy in a short essay which he jotted down while he was reading selected passages from Dr. John MacCullough’s book, Proofs and Illustrations of the Attributes of God (London, James Duncan, Paternoster Row, 1837). For those who are interested, here’s the reference: Darwin, C. R. ‘Macculloch. Attrib of Deity’ [Essay on Theology and Natural Selection] (1838). CUL-DAR71.53-59. Viewers can read it here at Darwin Online.)

Darwin’s essay contains a telling passage in section 5, which succinctly summarizes why Darwin believed that the only good explanation is one which appeals to physical laws, and why he believed appeals to “the will of God” explained nothing:

N.B. The explanation of types of structure in classes — as resulting from the will of the deity, to create animals on certain plans, — is no explanation — it has not the character of a physical law /& is therefore utterly useless.— it foretells nothing/ because we know nothing of the will of the Deity, how it acts & whether constant or inconstant like that of man.— the cause given we know not the effect.

We can see from this passage that Darwin was looking for a theory of origins which explained everything in terms of physical laws, which enable scientists to predict effects from causes, in a deterministic fashion. Supernatural explanations were rejected by Darwin, precisely because they cannot yield such predictions – “the cause given we know not the effect.” Other scientists in Darwin’s time were coming around to the same view, as historian of science Ronald Numbers narrates in his essay, “Science without God: Natural Laws and Christian Beliefs” (in When Science and Christianity Meet, ed. by David C. Lindberg and Ronald L. Numbers, Chicago: University Of Chicago Press, 2003):

Within a couple of decades many other students of natural history (or naturalists, as they were commonly called) had reached the same conclusion. The British zoologist Thomas H. Huxley, one of the most outspoken critics of the supernatural origin of species, came to see references to special creation as representing little more than a “specious mask for our ignorance.” (Numbers, 2003, p. 279.)

Thomas Henry Huxley was the ablest and most forthright exponent of Darwin’s views, earning him the nickname, “Darwin’s bulldog.” Huxley’s remark on special creation, which is cited by Ronald Numbers in his essay, is taken from from an article entitled, Darwin on the Origin of Species, which published in The Westminster Review in April 1860. It is worth quoting the above-cited remark by Huxley in its proper context, because it perfectly illustrates Darwinian thinking on the nature of scientific explanations:

A phenomenon is explained when it is shown to be a case of some general law of Nature; but the supernatural interposition of the Creator can, by the nature of the case, exemplify no law, and if species have really arisen in this way, it is absurd to attempt to discuss their origin.

Or lastly, let us ask ourselves whether any amount of evidence which the nature of our faculties permits us to attain, can justify us in asserting that any phenomenon is out of the reach of natural causation. To this end it is obviously necessary that we should know all the consequences to which all possible combinations, continued through unlimited time, can give rise. If we knew these, and found none competent to originate species, we should have good grounds for denying their origin by natural selection. Till we know them, any hypothesis is better than one which involves us in such miserable presumption.

But the hypothesis of special creation is not only a specious mask for our ignorance; its existence in Biology marks the youth and imperfection of the science. For what is the history of every science, but the history of the elimination of the notion of creative, or other interferences, with the natural order of the phenomena which are the subject matter of that science? When Astronomy was young “the morning stars sang together for joy,” and the planets were guided in their courses by celestial hands. Now, the harmony of the stars has resolved itself into gravitation according to the inverse squares of the distances, and the orbits of the planets are deducible from the laws of the forces which allow a schoolboy’s stone to break a window.
(Huxley, T.H. 1860. Darwin on the origin of Species. Westminster Review 17 (n.s.): 541-70. The above excerpt, which is available at Darwin Online is taken from page 559. This essay is also available online in Lay Sermons, Addresses and Reviews by Thomas Henry Huxley. Elibron Classics, 2005, Adamant Media Corporation. Facsimile of the edition published by Macmillan & Co., London, 1906. Chapter XII, pp. 245-246.)
(Bold emphases mine – VJT. Note: In the passage above, I’ve modernized the spelling of “phaenomenon” to “phenomenon.”)

Finally, it is important for the modern reader to understand that for Darwin and his contemporaries, any explanation of a phenomenon in terms of physical laws had to be a deterministic explanation. As Darwin wrote in his autobiography:

Everything in nature is the result of fixed laws.
(Barlow, Nora ed. 1958. The autobiography of Charles Darwin 1809-1882. With the original omissions restored. Edited and with appendix and notes by his grand-daughter Nora Barlow. London: Collins. Page 87. Available online here at Darwin Online.)

Or as Darwin’s bulldog, Thomas Henry Huxley, memorably put it:

If there is anything in the world which I do firmly believe in, it is the universal validity of the law of causation.
(‘Science and Morals’ (1886). In Collected Essays (1994), Vol. 9, 121.)

Let us recapitulate here. For Darwin and Huxley, the only proper way of explaining a phenomenon scientifically is to bring it under the scope of some general natural law, which permits scientists to predict the phenomenon in a deterministic fashion. Supernatural explanations explain nothing, according to Darwin, because they do not enable scientists to predict anything.


(b) Darwin believed our thoughts could be explained in terms of law-governed physical processes

Charles Darwin shared the belief of the French physiologist Pierre Cabanis (1757-1808) that the human brain secretes thought just as the liver secretes bile. Left: Drawing of the human brain, showing several of the most important brain structures. Right: A sheep’s liver. Images courtesy of National Institute for Aging and Wikipedia.

Darwin’s Notebooks, which trace the development of his thought over time, were not published during his lifetime. Fortunately, they are now available online, after having been originally transcribed by Paul Barrett in 1974. What they reveal is that as far back as 1838, over twenty years before he published his Origin of Species in 1859, Darwin was an avowed materialist, who insisted that natural selection had to be able to account for human consciousness.

In his Notebook C: Transmutation of species (2-7.1838), Darwin espoused a mechanistic account of the human mind:

Why is thought, being a secretion of brain, more wonderful than gravity a property of matter? – It is our arrogance, it our admiration of ourselves. (Paragraph 166)

Darwin’s assertion that thought is “a secretion of brain” echoes a famous remark by the French physiologist Pierre Jean Georges Cabanis (1757-1808), who wrote in his Rapports du physique et du moral de l’homme (1802) that “to have an accurate idea of the operations from which thought results, it is necessary to consider the brain as a special organ designed especially to produce it, as the stomach and the intestines are designed to operate the digestion, (and) the liver to filter bile…” (English translation, On the Relation Between the Physical and Moral Aspects of Man by Pierre-Jean-George Cabanis, edited by George Mora, translated by Margaret Duggan Saidi from the second edition, reviewed, corrected and enlarged by the author, 1805. The Johns Hopkins University Press, Baltimore and London, 1981, p. 116). This remark is usually cited as the pithy maxim: “The brain secretes thought as the liver secretes bile.

In the same paragraph in Notebook C: Transmutation of species (2-7.1838), Darwin playfully scolds himself for being a materialist. He must have appreciated the humor of the situation, given that he had previously studied to be an Anglican clergyman! The mis-spellings and grammar and punctuation errors are Darwin’s:

Thought (or desires more properly) being heredetary.- it is difficult to imagine it anything but structure of brain heredetary,. – analogy points out to this.- love of the deity effect of organization. oh you Materialist! – Read Barclay on organization!! (Paragraph 166)

In his Notebook M [Metaphysics on morals and speculations on expression (1838) CUL-DAR125], which was marked “Private”, Darwin was more forthright about his materialism:

It is an argument for materialism, that cold water brings on suddenly in head, a frame of mind, analogous to those feelings, which may be considered as truly spritual. (Paragraph 20)

Not wishing to scandalize his friends, however, Darwin decided to keep quiet about his materialist views when discoursing in public. He therefore resolved:

To avoid stating how far, I believe, in Materialism, say only that emotions, instincts degrees of talent, which are heredetary are so because brain of child resembles parent stock. (Paragraph 57)

Keeping quiet about his materialism was undoubtedly a very wise decision on Darwin’s part. In 1748, the French physician, Julien Offray de La Mettrie had asserted that man was merely a machine (La Mettrie J. Leyden: Luzac; 1748. L’Homme Machine) – a claim that got him into so much trouble that he was compelled to flee abroad for his safety. In 1816, the English physician Sir William Lawrence had candidly declared his conviction that “physiologically speaking… the mind is the grand prerogative of the brain” (Lawrence W. London: Callow; 1816, An introduction to comparative anatomy and physiology), but his writings provoked an uproar, and he was pressured to recant his materialist views. After he did so, he later became President of the Royal College of Surgeons of London and Serjeant Surgeon to the Queen.


(c) Darwin explicitly rejected the view that there was anything special about human intellectual capacities

In defiance of the common view that human beings were unique, Darwin argued that there was nothing particularly special about man’s intellectual capacities. In his Notebook B: Transmutation of species (1837-1838), he downplayed human uniqueness in this regard:

People often talk of the wonderful event of intellectual Man appearing – the appearance of insects with other senses is more wonderful… (Paragraph 207)

It is absurd to talk of one animal as being higher than another.We consider those, where the cerebral structure {intellectual faculties} most developed, as highest. – A bee doubtless would when the instincts were. (Paragraph 74)

Darwin wrote those words in 1838. Even at that time, he did not regard human intellectual capacities as lying outside the province of the laws of Nature.


(d) Darwin viewed the difference between humans and other animals as one of degree rather than kind


An ant carrying an aphid. According to Darwin, the difference in mental abilities between an ant and an aphid is much greater than the intellectual difference between a man and an ape. Image courtesy of Wikipedia.

Darwin’s work, The Origin of Species, was published in 1859, but Darwin’s only allusion to human evolution in this volume was his cryptic statement in the last chapter that in the distant future, “light will be thrown on the origin of man and his history.” It was not until 1871 that Darwin explicitly addressed the subject of human origins in his long-awaited work, The Descent of Man. In this book, Darwin argued that the difference between man and other animals was one of degree rather than kind, and that the transition from ape-like creatures to man had occurred gradually and not suddenly:

In the following passage, Darwin supports his claim that the mental faculties of humans and other animals differ only in degree by arguing that the difference in mental faculties between the higher and lower insects exceeds the mental difference between man and other mammals:

Some naturalists, from being deeply impressed with the mental and spiritual powers of man, have divided the whole organic world into three kingdoms, the Human, the Animal, and the Vegetable, thus giving to man a separate kingdom. (1. Isidore Geoffroy St.-Hilaire gives a detailed account of the position assigned to man by various naturalists in their classifications: ‘Hist. Nat. Gen.’ tom. ii. 1859, pp. 170-189.) Spiritual powers cannot be compared or classed by the naturalist: but he may endeavour to shew, as I have done, that the mental faculties of man and the lower animals do not differ in kind, although immensely in degree. A difference in degree, however great, does not justify us in placing man in a distinct kingdom, as will perhaps be best illustrated by comparing the mental powers of two insects, namely, a coccus or scale-insect and an ant, which undoubtedly belong to the same class. The difference is here greater than, though of a somewhat different kind from, that between man and the highest mammal. The female coccus, whilst young, attaches itself by its proboscis to a plant; sucks the sap, but never moves again; is fertilised and lays eggs; and this is its whole history. On the other hand, to describe the habits and mental powers of worker-ants, would require, as Pierre Huber has shewn, a large volume; I may, however, briefly specify a few points. Ants certainly communicate information to each other, and several unite for the same work, or for games of play. They recognise their fellow-ants after months of absence, and feel sympathy for each other. They build great edifices, keep them clean, close the doors in the evening, and post sentries. They make roads as well as tunnels under rivers, and temporary bridges over them, by clinging together. They collect food for the community, and when an object, too large for entrance, is brought to the nest, they enlarge the door, and afterwards build it up again. They store up seeds, of which they prevent the germination, and which, if damp, are brought up to the surface to dry. They keep aphides and other insects as milch-cows. They go out to battle in regular bands, and freely sacrifice their lives for the common weal. They emigrate according to a preconcerted plan. They capture slaves. They move the eggs of their aphides, as well as their own eggs and cocoons, into warm parts of the nest, in order that they may be quickly hatched; and endless similar facts could be given. (Chapter VI. On the Affinities and Genealogy of Man.)

Darwin was also quite explicit that the intellectual transition from ape-like creatures to man was an imperceptible one, and that the human mind had evolved gradually:

Whether primeval man, when he possessed but few arts, and those of the rudest kind, and when his power of language was extremely imperfect, would have deserved to be called man, must depend on the definition which we employ. In a series of forms graduating insensibly from some ape-like creature to man as he now exists, it would be impossible to fix on any definite point where the term “man” ought to be used. (Chapter VII, On the Races of Man.)


(e) Darwin held that natural selection was fully capable of explaining the origin of human mental faculties, and actively opposed Wallace’s view that only the guidance of a Higher Intelligence could account for the origin of man


Human and chimpanzee skull and brain. Illustrations by Dr. Paul Gervais, 1854, in Histoire naturelle des mammiferes, avec l’indication de leurs moeurs, et de leurs rapports avec les arts, le commerce et l’agriculture. Image courtesy of Vlastni fotografie and Wikipedia.

In his 1871 work The Descent of Man, Darwin argued that because human intelligence conferred a survival advantage on its possessors, the gradual improvement of intelligence in our ape-like ancestors could easily be explained by his theory of evolution by natural selection:

The case, however, is widely different, as Mr. Wallace has with justice insisted, in relation to the intellectual and moral faculties of man. These faculties are variable; and we have every reason to believe that the variations tend to be inherited. Therefore, if they were formerly of high importance to primeval man and to his ape-like progenitors, they would have been perfected or advanced through natural selection. Of the high importance of the intellectual faculties there can be no doubt, for man mainly owes to them his predominant position in the world. We can see, that in the rudest state of society, the individuals who were the most sagacious, who invented and used the best weapons or traps, and who were best able to defend themselves, would rear the greatest number of offspring. The tribes, which included the largest number of men thus endowed, would increase in number and supplant other tribes. (Chapter V. On the Development of the Intellectual and Moral Faculties during Primeval and Civilised Times.)

For those readers who may be wondering, the “Mr. Wallace” referred to in the passage above was none other than the great naturalist, Alfred Russel Wallace. Part of the reason why Darwin wrote The Descent of Man in 1871 was to rebut the view, put forward by Wallace in an essay in in the Quarterly Review of April 1869, that the special intervention of a Higher Intelligence was necessary in order to account for the evolution of human beings from ape-like ancestors. According to Wallace, this Higher Intelligence had carefully directed our evolution from ape-like creatures in a manner similar to the way in which human beings breed organisms for their own special purposes, such as seedless bananas, and milch cows that produce extra milk. For Darwin, Wallace’s championing of this view felt like a personal betrayal. Darwin and Wallace had closely collaborated in developing the theory of evolution by natural selection, and at that time, Wallace had given no indications that he harbored any reservations about the theory’s ability to account for human evolution. Indeed, Wallace had even highlighted the role played by natural selection in the evolution of man in an 1864 essay entitled, The Origin of Human Races and the Antiquity of Man Deduced From the Theory of “Natural Selection”, published in the Journal of the Anthropological Society of London (Vol. 2, 1864, pp. clviii-clxxxvii), which was highly praised by Darwin.

Darwin was therefore deeply pained in 1869, when he heard that Wallace intended to publish an essay in the Quarterly Review (April 1869, pp. 359-394), arguing that the appearance of human mental faculties could not be explained in terms of blind, mechanical processes, but required the intervention of a Higher Intelligence. While he was awaiting the publication of the essay in the Quarterly Review, Darwin wrote to Wallace:

As you expected, I differ grievously from you, and I am very sorry for it. I can see no necessity for calling in an additional and proximate cause in regard to man. (Letter of Charles Darwin to A. R. Wallace, Down, April 14, 1869.)

When he finally read Wallace’s essay, which argued that natural selection, left to itself, would only have given human beings a brain “a little superior to that of an ape,” Darwin was so appalled that he scribbled “NO!!!!” in the margin and even underlined the word “NO” three times. Darwin later expressed his disappointment over Wallace’s views on the origin of man in a personal letter, and chided him for back-sliding from his earlier enthusiastic support of natural selection as the explanation of human mental capacities: “But I groan over Man – you write like a metamorphosed (in retrograde direction) naturalist. And you, the author of the best paper that ever appeared in the Anthropological Review! Eheu! Eheu! Eheu! — Your miserable friend, C. Darwin.” (Letter of Charles Darwin to A. R. Wallace, Down, January 26, 1870. In The correspondence of Charles Darwin, volume 18: 1870. Edited by Frederick Burkhardt, James A. Secord, Sheila Ann Dean, Samantha Evans, Shelley Innes, Alison M. Pearn, Paul White. Cambridge University Press 2010. See page 17.)

The striking differences between Wallace’s and Darwin’s views on the origin of human mental faculties led to an intellectual rift between them that was never healed. Although the two scientists remained on friendly terms, Wallace was no longer part of Darwin’s “inner circle.”


(f) Darwin was a determinist who maintained that human choices were also the outcome of blind natural forces


An American judge talking to a lawyer. According to Charles Darwin, none of us is responsible for our actions. Criminals should be punished solely in order to deter others from committing crimes, but they are not to blame for what they do. Image courtesy of maveric2003 and Wikipedia.

As we have seen, Darwin made no secret of the fact that he believed natural selection could account for our distinctively human traits. We have also seen that for Darwin and his evolutionist contemporaries, any good scientific explanation of a phenomenon (such as human consciousness) had to be a deterministic one, which brought the phenomenon under the scope of some universal scientific law.

From the foregoing premises, the reader might deduce that Darwin did not believe in libertarian free will, or the view that our choices are free from determination, and that whenever we make a choice, we could have chosen otherwise. During his lifetime, however, Darwin was extremely guarded on the subject of human free will, not wishing to alarm the masses with his views on the subject. For this reason, he said little about free will in his published writings. However, his private notebooks reveal that as far back as 1837, Darwin was a thorough-going determinist.

On the 15th of July, 1838, Charles Darwin began a private notebook which he labeled as “M”, in which he intended to write down his correspondence, discoveries, musings, and speculations on “Metaphysics on Morals and Speculations on Expression”. To this day, the contents of the notebook are little known, among the general public.
On page 27 of that notebook, he expressed his skepticism regarding free will, and suggested that all of our actions (and, by extension, our thoughts and intentions) are the result of our “hereditary constitution” and “the example…or teaching of others”:

The common remark that fat men are goodnatured, & vice versa Walter Scotts remark how odious an illtempered fat man looks, shows same connection between organization & mind.—thinking over these things, one doubts existence of free will every action determined by hereditary constitution, example of others or teaching of others.— (NB man much more affected by other fellow-animals, than any other animal & probably the only one affected by various knowledge which is not heredetary & instinctive) & the others are learnt, what they teach by the same means & therefore properly no free will.
(See Darwin’s Notebook M, pp. 26-27. [Metaphysics on morals and speculations on expression (1838)]. CUL-DAR125.- Transcribed by Kees Rookmaaker. (Darwin Online, http://darwin-online.org.uk/))

Darwin was a consistent determinist. In his other metaphysical writings from that period (c. 1837), Darwin made it clear that he did not really regard human beings as morally responsible for their good or bad choices. He also held that criminals should be punished solely in order to deter others who might break the law:

(a) one well feels how many actions are not determined by what is called free will, but by strong invariable passions — when these passions weak, opposed & complicated one calls them free will — the chance of mechanical phenomena.— (mem: M. Le Comte one of philosophy, & savage calling laws of nature chance)…

The general delusion about free will obvious.— because man has power of action, & he can seldom analyse his motives (originally mostly INSTINCTIVE, & therefore now great effort of reason to discover them: this is important explanation) he thinks they have none.

Effects.— One must view a wrecked man like a sickly one — We cannot help loathing a diseased offensive object, so we view wickedness.— it would however be more proper to pity them [than] to hate & be disgusted with them. Yet it is right to punish criminals; but solely to deter others.— It is not more strange that there should be necessary wickedness than disease.

This view should teach one profound humility, one deserves no credit for anything. (yet one takes it for beauty & good temper), nor ought one to blame others.

(See Darwin’s Old and USELESS Notes about the moral sense & some metaphysical points written about the year 1837 & earlier, pp. 25-27. For original transcription, see Paul Barrett, et. al., Charles Darwin’s Notebooks, 1836-1844, New York: Cornell University Press, 1987, p. 608.)

Summary of Darwin’s views

We have seen that Darwin believed that his natural selection could explain the emergence of man from ape-like ancestors by a gradual process, and that natural selection could account for the entire gamut of man’s mental faculties. However, natural selection is a physical process, which operates in a deterministic manner. Thus there is no room in Darwin’s view of evolution for an immaterial soul, or for a mysterious human capacity to make undetermined choices.

To sum up: if you accept Darwinian evolution, you have to be a materialist and a determinist. In my fourth post, I’m going to produce my list of twenty-one Nobel Laureate scientists who rejected these beliefs.

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I am perfectly willing to abandon the term "free will" and instead use "the ability to have chosen something other than what one in fact chose." If that's what you don't believe, than we can continue without even referencing the term "free will" at all. Gregory, I recall somewhere Dr. Dembski saying he believed that intelligent design essentially reduced to free will. After all, we are saying that agency is one of the three types of causes along with necessity and chance. In order for agency to not be either of those it would have to be basically equivalent to free will.tragic mishap
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"Find me a dog, a tree or a computer that’s a sinner, and I’ll give up on exceptionalism." - Jon Again, Jon, I'm sensitive to your position (even I'd go further to include a rock or other mineral). But why not just come right out and say it re: HE? There is no 'natural scientific' (cf. naturalistic) reason whatsoever for believing in or accepting 'human exceptionalism.' Yours is entirely, 100% a theological (or worldview) position for defending HE, is it not? John Calvin's compared to Nikolai Berdyaev's is not such a 'deep understanding' as you currently seem to allow. Like I said, this I learned in the bee's nest of Calvinism, not in Scotland, but in the Netherlands. My swipes at 'past tense' thinking above are not for nothing. I surely didn't say Calvin 'rejects free will.' But his is arguably a relatively (16th c.) weak version of 'free will' compared to others (more contemporary) in the Christian tradition. Yet, of course, theologically Calvinists and 'Reformed' people too would agree to human exceptionalism, the main theme of this thread. Theologically, as such is totally the ID's argument re: HE. Still, they don't seem to have 'natural scientific' (or medical) evidence of this. This is the foundation of the IDM's unique claims and why I've repeatedly asked V.J. Torley if he would offer positive evidence for 'exceptionalism' (Peter Singer and many others, like the VIDEO I linked to above, beg to differ), rather than simple anti-Darwinism. But no one seems to want to answer here on the topic of human exceptionalism and ID!Gregory
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... All except ... that self-determined will and bound will are every bit as good evidence for human exceptionalism as is libertarian free will. Find me a dog, a tree or a computer that's a sinner, and I'll give up on exceptionalism.Jon Garvey
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"All I want you to do, Mr. Garvey, is admit that you do not believe in free will." Back to shibboleths, again. "Are you an ID-Creationist/ Goddam Liberal/ Blinkered Fundamentalist? Yes or No?" I certainly don't believe in your description of free will, because it is incoherent and, apparently, takes little or no account of the many and varied understandings of the term by theologians over two millennia, or the full Biblical data. It may even be that you care as little for that background as for the reasons the doctrine of original sin that you dismiss has been maintained for that same period by all the historical churches. Calvin doesn't reject free will simply because he won't subscribe to your formulation of it, and neither do I. However, in his Institutes (Book 2 ch2)he spends several pages reviewing the "ambiguous and inconsistent" use of the term in his Patristic and Scholastic predecessors, in which it is clear that all of them put so many qualifications and caveats on it that it ends up meaning very little, and actually leads unread people into over-simplistic error. So he concludes (and I agree with him): "If anyone, then, chooses to make use of this term [free will], without attaching any bad meaning to it, he shall not be troubled by me on this account; but as it cannot be retained without very great danger, I think the abolition of it would be of great advantage to the Church. I am unwilling to use it myself; and others, if they will take my advice, will do well to abstain from it." You may say this proves he rejects free will - but that would be to fail to recognise the depth of his understanding of the theological issues involved, an understanding that seems all too rare nowadays (possibly even amongst the Reformed in the USA, if you and Gregory are to be believed). That's all I have to say, I think.Jon Garvey
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V.J. Torley's theme persists: "free will is one reason why humans are exceptional." - T.M. That's a pretty good reason "because they were Christian" of why most IDers believe (though without surveys, we don't yet know what percentage) in 'human exceptionalism.' And that's partly what's behind my sociological question to V.J. Torley. Yada told me that a single digit of IDers are non-Abrahamists, which is o.k. (in a pluralistic society) too. You're supporting my social epistemology approach to ID, T.M.. Actually, it seems to me that 'Calvinists' and 'Reformed' Christians are both/and 'human exceptionalists' (HE) because they do believe in free will. Let us have Jon speak for himself of HE re: free will to clarify. It seems to me that Jon believes in 'free will' and is not a 'deterministic (anti-free will) Calvinist,' but a 'semi-free' 'Reformist'.Gregory
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I have said several times, Gregory, that part of Mr. Torley's thesis is that free will is one reason why humans are exceptional. He then assumed that all Christians, including Louisiana Protestants, believed in free will because they were Christian, and therefore believe in human exceptionalism because they believe in free will. I was merely pointing out that Calvinists are Christian and do not believe in free will, though they may be human exceptionalists for other reasons. But they are not human exceptionalists because they believe in free will.tragic mishap
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Why does V.J. Torley not speak up positively (Catholic theo-philo-scie) rather than negatively (anti-Darwinistic) on this topic? It's about time? Busy guy, so am I! My mistake, M.I. addressed the OP with the following statement (which I already noted): "ID theory, in my opinion, does not speak directly to human exceptionalism, but it has implications to it" - material infantacy But what does that really mean? That ID has NOTHING to do with people (as exceptional)?!?!? Did M.I. forget that he was a person him-self in suggesting that? This speaks to reflexivty. ID is a purely objectivistic (natural scientific mock) ideology, then? The vilest criminal you can possibly imagine then qualifies as an IDer cuz his/her guided/planned/teleological 'design' made reality (history), didn't it?Gregory
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T.M. - I don't object to your clarification. But for your energy, can you possibly rise to re-enter the conversation regarding the OP? 'What say you' (as Aragorn spoke to the seemingly neutrals) about 'human exceptionalism'? Can you really not try to address the topic of 'human exceptionalism' with your focus on 'anti-free will'?! Is human exceptionalism mainly a religious(ly-oriented) perspective in your view? What 'scientific' evidence would you offer to distinguish the 'free will' that you claim to defend, and which Jon is promoting from a theological perspective? It sounds like peoples' anthropologies are lacking on this topic. "as long as its consistent with mine"? That sounds much more 'individualistic' ("land of the free") than what Calvin ever imagined. = )Gregory
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vjtorley (13):
Finally, I would define free will as follows: (i) a choice is free only if it is contingent from the standpoint of one’s nature – that is, if there is nothing in one’s nature which necessitates one’s making that choice; (ii) a choice is free only if it is made by a rational agent; (iii) a choice is free only if it is ultimately grounded in the agent’s rational deliberations regarding either ends alone (e.g. “Will I choose life or death?”), or means and ends (e.g. “What’s the best way to keep healthy, given that I have chosen life?”); (iv) an evil choice is free only if the agent making the choice has (or at least had at one time) the power to do good. However, a morally good choice does not necessarily presuppose the power to do evil; all it requires is that the agent possess the power to realize some other good instead of the one chosen (e.g. “Will I give my money to charity A or charity B?”). A few people (and some angels, for all we know) may be elected to grace from the first moment of their existence – e.g. the Virgin Mary – because their individual identity (not their nature) requires it: that is, their role in salvation history is an essential part of their individual identity, so that if they were to fail in that role and be damned, they wouldn’t be the same person. For these fortunate few, falling is out of the question, because of their unconditional election to grace; the rest of us must work out our salvation in fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12). As for God, He is essentially good, so His choices can never be bad, but because there are a multitude of different goods He could realize, His decisions to realize this or that one are free.
I would simply stick with the first point. I'm not necessarily agreeing with the last three.tragic mishap
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Gregory:
though a single definition of ‘free will’ has unsurprisingly not been given here.
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I don’t understand any other concept of free will than the idea that one could have done other than what they in fact did...
Free will: The ability to have done something other than what one in fact did. That's the definition I have been using. Calvin's is close enough for me to accept his as well as long as it's consistent with mine.tragic mishap
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All I want you to do, Mr. Garvey, is admit that you do not believe in free will. Once you do that, we can talk about what Scripture actually says and what it doesn't say.tragic mishap
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The will is [either] free , bound , self-determined , or coerced.
Calvin lists four types of will.
People generally understand a free will to be one which has in its power to choose good or evil.
Calvin defines free will. I'll take it for granted that we did not agree on a definition for free will. Perhaps I was thinking of the definition of sin that we agreed on. However I agree for now with Calvin's definition of free will, which he later denies.
Therefore we describe [as coerced ] the will which does not incline this way or that of its own accord or by an internal movement of decision, but is forcibly driven by an external impulse.
He defines the coerced will on the understanding that it is contradictory and does not exist. Again I agree.
We say that it is self-determined when of itself it directs itself in the direction in which it is led, when it is not taken by force or dragged unwillingly.
He defines the self-determined will.
A bound will , finally, is one which because of its corruptness is held captive under the authority of its evil desires, so that it can choose nothing but evil, even if it does so of its own accord and gladly, without being driven by any external impulse.
He defines a bound will.
We deny that choice is free, because through man’s innate wickedness it is of necessity driven to what is evil and cannot seek anything but evil.
He denies that the will is free (only Adam's will was free, nobody else's), saying only that there is a difference between necessity and coercion, and that the will is not coerced but by necessity chooses sin. Neither the coerced will nor the will dominated by necessity is free. Calvin explicitly recognized this. Why can't you?tragic mishap
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Forgive that I thought it was discipleship to 3 'persons' in 1? 'Reformed' - the past tense signifier - implies looking backwards to what has already happened. It implies (sometimes stubborn) completion, rather than a forward-looking contemporary real human journey. It is not a progressive signifier, it is regressive (out of date). That's why 'Reformed' is a declining branch. Because of this, it is considered as hyper-conservative (cf. anti-free will) and entirely anti-liberal, sometimes unreasonably, stuck in the 16th century, not ready for the 21st. The same holds for 'designed' vs. 'designing' or 'evolved' vs. 'evolving.' These past tense verbs are highly problematic from a linguistic perspective, no matter what the holder thinks from the 'inside.' If you can't involve PROCESS, then the value of your 'theory' will inevitably be limited. I've been in the bee's nest of Calvinists, who use the terms 'Reformed,' 'Reformational' and 'Reforming' at their personal (subjective) convenience. This includes being liberal at the same time as being conservative, welcoming 'continued revelation' at the same time as closing it entirely (written in the Book). Thus, I can very much understand T.M.'s statements re: Calvinists rejecting 'free will,' though a single definition of 'free will' has unsurprisingly not been given here. Calvinists may be 'theological human exceptionalists,' but they are clearly not 'natural scientific human exceptionalists.' Or did you mean Jan Lever, biologist and theistic evolutionist? All you need to do is look up Herman Dooyeweerd's problem with his 32 propositions on anthropology here: http://www.members.shaw.ca/aevum/32Propositions.html. Not to mention Howard van Til and the TEs of none other than Calvin College, the heart of USAmerican 'Reformed' ideas. And this gets us to a significant difference, don't you think? Indeed, this gets us to the heart of ID vs. creationism and evolutionism in the USA, doesn't it? Dooyeweerd, one of the most celebrated Dutch 'Calvinist/Reformed' thinkers, one of the great 'evangelical' thinkers of the 20th century, utterly failed to successfully synthesize 'evolution' with his Protestant Christian faith in 'creation'. He wanted to make it all about his past-tense theology instead of properly meeting the present-tense biological challenge to his traditional position. What will the Roman Catholic V.J. Torley say about 'human exceptionalism' from a 'scientific, philosophical and religious' negotiation? That is, after all, the Main Topic of this thread: Darwinism vs. Human Exceptionalism.Gregory
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#94 was cross-posted with Gregory's, and directed to tragic mishap. To answer Gregory, I'm as happy with the label "Calvinist" as with any other label that implies unswerving discipleship to one person, and lumbers one with the baggage that other people who haven't read him have loaded on to the name... in other words, I'm not very happy with it, though I see eye to eye with Calvin himself on many things. "Reformed" is a rather better descriptive. But "isms" ... always problematic except (as an Arminian said, actually) for baptism and evangelism. To be fair I did acknowledge that this discussion was a diversion from the OP, but that's the way of discussion boards, isn't it? And Calvinists (Or the Reformed) are very definitely human exceptionalists.Jon Garvey
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Not at all. Calvin's argument is: (a) Scripture speaks about human will after the fall. Will (because it means "desire") is logically opposed to coercion. (b) Since the will cannot logically be coerced, it must be self-determined. (c ) But Scripture also says that we fallen humans are slaves to sin (Rom 6.17 etc etc), sinj being (by your own definition) a choice made against the will of God. To spell it out, we are therefore slaves to self-determined choices made against the will of God. (d) Therefore the "generally understood" description of free-will as the ability to choose equally either good or evil is denied by Scripture to apply to fallen humanity. As Calvin points out, "freedom and bondage are mutually contradictory, so that he who affirms the bone denies the other." I've checked the whole thread fairly carefully, and cannot see where we agreed a definition of free-will. Perhaps you can? That was the task in hand, I thought. I did say from the start that Calvinists reject the Arminian definition of free will (because it is contradicted by Scripture). Specifically we say Scripture denies that Adam and fallen men are in the same situation: "through the disobedience of the one the many were made sinners." As for Adam - the will as created, before the fall - Calvin cites Origen on the following page: "[Origen] declares those to be heretics who take away free choice from man. If he is talking about the original, natural state, he is telling us nothing that we ourselves do not also acknowledge." So the Adamic, created will is free to choose good or evil, but sin brings it into a voluntary slavery. "Now," Calvin says, "you see how self-determination and necessity can be combined together". Calvin's synthesis accounts satisfactorily for the free choice of Adam, the self-determination we see in our selves, the bondage to sin found throughout Scripture, our continued accountability for sin because that bondage is voluntary, the need for grace insisted on in Scripture, the wonder of the New Covenant in Christ in freeing our wills to serve God, and the allusions to sin as a disease or affliction, rather than only culpable rebellion, also found throughout Scripture. Now, can the idea that the fallen human will is as free as Adam's consistently account for all those teachings in the Bible?Jon Garvey
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V.J. Torley, the DI & human exceptionalism "the original issue, which was “Calvinists deny free will”..." - Jon Garvey Well, the original issue of the OP was 'human exceptionalism.' That term has been used by no one in this thread other than V.J. Torley and myself. Whether or not 'Calvinists' "deny free will" is a diversion. Some do, some don't. Jon has not said if he is a 'Calvinist,' but he has directly quoted Calvin in challenging T.M.'s perceptions of Calvinists. Many BioLogos people do not claim they are 'Darwinists,' yet they quote Darwin. Well, for that matter, I haven't seen a single leader of BioLogos say they are *not* a Darwinist; not even Ted Davis. Such a statement "I am not a Darwinist" (or "I am not a Calvinist") would surely be welcome here at UD.Gregory
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Mr. Calvin seems to be breaking his own advice. Is he getting this from Scripture? Let me know, because I cannot recall anything like this in Scripture.
There can be no such thing as a coerced will, since the two ideas are contradictory.
Agreed.
A bound will , finally, is one which because of its corruptness is held captive under the authority of its evil desires, so that it can choose nothing but evil, even if it does so of its own accord and gladly, without being driven by any external impulse.
Whatever a "bound will" is, it does not fit our agreed upon definition of "free will." A "free will" is one which could have done what it did not actually do.
We deny that choice is free , because through man’s innate wickedness it is of necessity driven to what is evil and cannot seek anything but evil.
The "Man" as you call him is denying free will in his own words. Need I say more? If you had claimed Calvinists believed in "self-determined will" instead of claiming you believed in "free will," we would not be having this argument. Calvinists do not believe in free will. I wish you all would stop claiming that you do.tragic mishap
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TM, Re: #89. In sin there are degrees of fallenness. Please see 1 John 5:17. It is one thing if you do wrong without knowing or under coercion and quite another when you do it being fully aware. There is a similar place in the Gospel (Lk 12:47).Eugene S
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TM "I absolutely do not believe that Adam’s or Lucifer’s sin was any different than ours." You're obviously entitled to that belief, but I can think of several differences pointed out in Scripture. Even Eve's sin is said to be different from Adam's. Your scheme (following) seems to be largely compatible with "the rule of faith", but is too speculative for my taste. One useful dictum of Calvin's was that it is unwise to go beyond what Scripture actually says. But no matter - none of this has a direct bearing on the original issue, which was "Calvinists deny free will". To try and clarify that, as finally as I can, here's a passage from the Man himself, which seems (as usual with Calvin) very transparent:
"...the will is [either] free , bound , self-determined , or coerced . People generally understand a free will to be one which has in its power to choose good or evil…[But] There can be no such thing as a coerced will, since the two ideas are contradictory. But our responsibility as teachers is to say what it means, so that it may be understood what coercion is. Therefore we describe [as coerced ] the will which does not incline this way or that of its own accord or by an internal movement of decision, but is forcibly driven by an external impulse. We say that it is self-determined when of itself it directs itself in the direction in which it is led, when it is not taken by force or dragged unwillingly. A bound will , finally, is one which because of its corruptness is held captive under the authority of its evil desires, so that it can choose nothing but evil, even if it does so of its own accord and gladly, without being driven by any external impulse. According to these definitions we allow that man has choice and that it is self-determined, so that if he does anything evil, it should be imputed to him and to his own voluntary choosing. We do away with coercion and force, because this contradicts the nature of the will and cannot coexist with it. We deny that choice is free , because through man’s innate wickedness it is of necessity driven to what is evil and cannot seek anything but evil. And from this it is possible to deduce what a great difference there is between necessity and coercion . For we do not say that man is dragged unwillingly into sinning, but that because his will is corrupt he is held captive under the yoke of sin and therefore of necessity will in an evil way. For where there is bondage, there is necessity. But it makes a great difference whether the bondage is voluntary or coerced. We locate the necessity to sin precisely in corruption of the will, from which follows that it is self-determined. (John Calvin, Bondage and Liberation of the Will pp 69, 70)
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I absolutely do not believe that Adam's or Lucifer's sin was any different than ours. Sin is a choice made against the will of God. They did it and we do it. I don't see any difference at all. I have been engaging Mr. Garvey because my purpose was to understand what he thinks about free will, and as such I accepted certain assumptions of his for purposes of discussion only. Romans 7 - I believe that God and humans both consist of three parts: Spirit, Mind and Body. Will or Choice is a function of the Spirit. Reason and other things such as Emotion are functions of the Mind. The Body is the Body, sometimes giving rise to Desire. God the Father corresponds to Spirit. The Holy Spirit corresponds to the Mind and Jesus Christ corresponds to Body. This system is in place because of substance dualism. There is a spiritual place where time does not exist. That is where God the Father and our spirits exist. There is also a physical place where our bodies exist. In order for the triune God and the triune Man to exist as a unified whole there must be something connecting the two parts. That is the Mind or the Holy Spirit. Now we throw sin into the picture. In order for sin to both exist and be a spiritual choice there must be a place in the spiritual world for spirits who choose against the will of God. That place is hell. When our spirits are created, they are created by God and therefore must be created within heaven, the spiritual place where God the Father is. It is only by sinning, choosing against him, that our spirits are banished to hell where God isn't. The change of the state of the spirit from heaven to hell results in a change in our minds. Our mind, as the connection between body and spirit, must reorient itself to the spirit's new location, and thus it becomes corrupted by aligning itself to a corrupt and sinful will. Then if we are saved, our old spirit is "crucified with Christ," meaning it "dies," so to speak, in hell and is recreated in heaven by God. In other words it is just like a second birth because God has created a new spirit for us. We are quite literally born again in the spirit not in the flesh. After this occurs, our mind must once again reorient itself to the spirit's new location in heaven. The problem of course is that our mind has long been oriented to a corrupt will and is therefore corrupted. This leads to translation errors when our spirit makes a choice to what we ourselves actually do. "I do what I do not want to do." That is what Paul calls the "sin nature," the corrupted part of our minds that is still not completely aligned with our spirit's new location in heaven. Thus the goal of the Christian life is to "be transformed by the renewing of our minds," aligning it with our spirit's location in proximity to God. The conclusion to Paul's argument begins in Romans 12, after his tangent in 9-11, starting with this: "Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will." Two things: 1. I believe it is still possible to be this new creation and sin by making a choice of the will. So how are we not banished from heaven? Because the Holy Spirit covers us, because of the atonement of Jesus, and because God credits our faith as righteousness. But what Paul was talking about in Romans 7 is the tendency to sin stemming from the fact that our minds and bodies were long aligned with a spirit alienated from God and only recently born again in God's presence. Our entire selves have been misled by a Will in rebellion against God. As a result we have developed bad habits that are difficult to change. Our minds and bodies are presenting us with sinful options, which we too often choose when our spirits are not focused on Christ and instead are focused on our own bodily desires. 2. This whole view is actually perfectly compatible with Original Sin. The only difference is that you must believe that God creates new spirits in hell. So there you have it. I was sort of trying to avoid this because it opens a whole different can of worms, but if I'm to explain my view of Romans I guess I have to explain this. I have all kinds of Scriptural and other support for this view in my book, which is itself only scratching the surface.tragic mishap
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"This connects with discussions Jon and I have had over at his blog. Did or did not historical Adam sin ‘by nature’ or ‘by conscious choice’? M.I. seems to be saying it was ‘by conscious choice,’ which could also indicate a choice against Adam’s originally breathed ‘nature’ or ‘character.’"
I wouldn't necessarily say that it was a choice against Adam's nature, but instead a consequence of it: a free moral agent lacking God's inherent holiness, given the opportunity to choose to obey or to disobey. I don't think we know exactly why Adam did it. It appears to be an intentional omission from scripture. (I've heard speculations, such as, he did it intentionally so that Eve wouldn't be lost to him -- he did it out of love for her, but distrusted God in the process.) Nevertheless he did, with severe consequences. Yet it's noteworthy that a remedy was proclaimed before the human curse was even announced. (Genesis 3:14-15)material.infantacy
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I have the feeling this thread will soon collapse under its own weight (having raised useful stuff rather than resolved it, which is to be expected). I'll try and comment on some things, but for now just two. (1) TM's comment on eternity. Many of the intransigent paradoxes in theology become clearer the more one factors in the consequences of God's existing in eternity when we exist in time. However, since we don't exist in eternity, any more than we can experience sharing God's perfections, we will never bottom them out. So we need always to end up with "God's ways are higher than ours" even when that might look like attributing caprice to God. God doesn't do caprice, because he says as much, which sometimes is our only evidence. (2) Why did Adam sin (replying to MI and Gregory)? The fact that we've distinguished that question from "Why do we sin?" is most of what I hoped to establish on this thread. Our case is different, because our wills are, shall we put it, "less free" however much we confuse ourselves by that idea. The discussion I had with Gregory, as you may detect, was over "nature" - by which I mean the Greek "phusis", implying what you are born with, rather than necessarily how God originally intended you. Adam, we can say, was in "a state of nature" in the latter sense: our "sin nature", however it originated, is our inheritance in a similar way to fetal drug addiction, genetic malformation etc, with the proviso that in some sense we are involved in choosing it. So why would an innocent Adam sin? Just as we can't imagine being eternal, we can't imagine being innocent - which is a shame, because Adam would be the index case for the study of free will and its extent and limitations. He was clearly immature (cf Irenaeus, 2nd century) in that God withheld "the knowledge of good and evil" from him because, as indeed turned out, it would mess up his will. As I've said before, I judge that such knowledge would have been given in due time - I doubt the tree was there purely for temptation's sake. Which means the "natural" free will requires some process of education or maturation to perform as it should, that is in compliance with God's will. Therefore it is not a machine with fixed attributes, but a work in progress. The difference between MI and I on the will's pre-eminence or co-eminence is over words - one or both of us is making category errors over what is intrinsically hidden. But we agree that will is a "core component" of our (God-given) nature. Which implies that Adam's "core being" was intended to develop in a certain way after his creation, to make a fully mature and godly human nature to pass on (perhaps?) to the rest of the race. That didn't happen, which has inevitable consequences whatever might seem to us "right" or "fair". Defects mess up how things "ought" to be. Fortunately the eternal God would not be caught out by such a turn of events, and has a plan to fix it, and/or use it to his glory. Enter another layer of mystery...Jon Garvey
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Calling again for V.J. Torley's view on the topic re: human exceptionalism (HE) and intelligent design. Is there a direct link between these two topics, or was he just claiming 'they' (i.e. Darwinists) *cannot* accept HE due to materialism (i.e. anti-spirituality). Here is actually a place where many TEs/ECs would agree with IDers; they too believe in HE (even if mystically) when pushed beyond Darwinian gradualism. "I just wanted to append a thought about Adam: he made a conscious choice to rebel, even though there was nothing sinful in his nature which should have determined that choice. Whatever reasons he may have had for doing so, the decision to disobey was made by a creature without a sin nature." - M.I. This connects with discussions Jon and I have had over at his blog. Did or did not historical Adam sin 'by nature' or 'by conscious choice'? M.I. seems to be saying it was 'by conscious choice,' which could also indicate a choice against Adam's originally breathed 'nature' or 'character.' The notion of having a 'sin nature' brings tension to the meaning, as I see it, because then it becomes 'natural' or 'normal' to sin. Again, the theological discussion overlaps with the anthropological discussion; where are the monotheist anthropologists here to assist us? Are all or most Darwinian-influenced (physical) anthropologists (e.g. BioLogos' James Kidder) dismissive of 'human exceptionalism' - is this the point Torley wanted to make with this thread? Folks, the video in #39 speaks directly to Torley's OP and his 'exceptions', is as controversial as Expelled, but no one has commented on it yet.Gregory
April 19, 2012
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Interesting fact about italics #2 Mathematically, oblique type is a transformation of a normal typeface by a "skew target box." This is a transformation from e1 and e2 axes of a normal cartesian coordinate system to the a1 and a2 axes of a skew target box, representing the new coordinate system. Transformations for oblique type (italics) are called "shears." So if e1 and e2 are the basis vectors for a standard coordinate system, then: v = v1e1 + v2e2 is an identity transformation, yielding the same output as the input before the transformation. If we want to shear a vector (shears are area preserving) we just need to modify the zero coordinates of the basis vectors: v' = v1a1 + v2a2 Where a1 and a2 are vectors that differ in the zero coordinates from the standard basis vectors, and v (composed of scalars v1 and v2) is the vector to be sheared. For a shear in the horizontal direction (but vertical axis), only the a2 vector need change, so that our equation might resemble the following: v' = v1e1 + v2a2 In matrix form, it would look something like this: [1 k] [v1] [v1'] [0 1] [v2] = [v2'] which yields a transformation for the vector components: v1' = v1 + kv2 v2' = v2 (Notice that both equations are lines in 2D space.) where k is a scalar on the interval 0 ≤ k ≤ 1, providing no shear at a value of zero, and a 45 degree angle shear for a value of one, on what was before the vertical axis. The value of k is not strictly limited to the range [0, 1], but for oblique type, it's likely to be between those values. This is why oblique type is more common than true italic type for computer fonts: they can be calculated mathematically instead of needing to be distinctly designed. This means that any font can be "italicized" by applying a shear-type transformation, to convert it to oblique type. https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/why-you-cant-be-a-darwinist-and-a-human-exceptionalist/#comment-423653material.infantacy
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Testing. -------- material.infantacy
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TM, congratulations on the book. Any chance of seeing an ebook format for it?
"If God is timeless, that prevents Him from changing (again by definition because change by definition includes a time component), but it does not prevent him from making a choice. It only prevents Him from making a different choice than He made before, since there is no before. That means when He chose to be what He has revealed Himself to be, Love, Goodness, Mercy, etc., those were choices made for all times and all places at once. So it is entirely consistent with the Biblical understanding of God’s unchanging and transcendent nature."
Interesting that even from our perspective, these attributes seem to be logically bound to our perception reality.material.infantacy
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I'll add also that some of our disagreement may come from how we're using "unconstrained" versus "determined." While I don't think that the will is entirely subject to the factors which limit it, I do believe it is constrained, and not "free" to make any old choice. For instance, while I don't believe that we are free to choose Christ in our unredeemed state (and in our redeemed state, willing and eager to bow at his feet) I do think that each person who is going to be judged outright for their sins -- those who have rejected Christ as a remedy, were given enough grace to make a free choice, and likely on more than one occasion with more than a single effort to communicate the truth.material.infantacy
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Jon, I think your views are in many ways more nuanced than mine, and I'll need to spend some time with the rest of your answers, which don't seem contrary to mine in many cases. I've spent most of my time so far on the preeminence of God's will, which needs to exist IMO if I am even to consider if will is central to our being also. I can well agree that God's will being completely free and preeminent doesn't mean that ours is (although in Christ I've discovered a freedom I know I wouldn't have had otherwise).material.infantacy
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I just wanted to append a thought about Adam: he made a conscious choice to rebel, even though there was nothing sinful in his nature which should have determined that choice. Whatever reasons he may have had for doing so, the decision to disobey was made by a creature without a sin nature.material.infantacy
April 19, 2012
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“Because we are made in God’s image, our will is the primary attribute of our ‘self’.” False – it is one facet of a holistic soul analogous to God’s essence. There is only one “I”, which is why I am held equally accountable for my will, my actions, my thoughts. One difference is that, being a created being, I am not completely self-determined as God is: I am what God made me – but sadly I’m also what I have made myself through rebelling against God.
I agree strongly, that our not being self-determined is a substantial difference between the creature and the creator, one of many. I agree that there is one "self," and that it can be said to consist of more than one 'component.' But I can't say that the "I" is equal parts will, actions, and thoughts. I think we would agree that there are many influences that can effect a person's thoughts, not the least of which are spiritual; and that those thoughts are going to beat against the will like waves crashing against a pier. However we do have power do direct our thoughts. In a mature Christian, this practice is hopefully routine: the correcting of stray, inappropriate, destructive thoughts that seemingly come from nowhere (or, rather, from some dark inward place). This is an act of the will, which moves us between thoughts. We can "choose" to think different things, and "see" them from multiple perspectives, and we can "direct" our thoughts in various directions. Even an unredeemed person can direct their thoughts, but they would have different motivations for doing so in many cases. In this way it seems that although our thoughts are certainly a part of "us," they are subject to, or under the influence of, the will (at least in part). I'm not saying specifically that our will determines our thoughts, but it can move between them; and so, in some way, it has a freedom over them, as it does in determining our physical location. We cannot escape thoughts entirely, but we can choose between them, or flee them, or embrace them. The will is the part that moves in that specific way within our beings. This is part of our daily experience. Actions themselves are a consequence of the will. We can choose to do, and we can choose to not do, at any time, in most any circumstance that doesn't otherwise constrain us. While it's true that we all sin and fall short of the glory of God, and that this is a result of our nature, if we were not ultimately responsible for our choices, it would make no sense to hold us accountable. Sure, God can do anything he wants; but we rely on an internally, and eternally consistent creator, not a capricious one. It's innate to our sense of justice, that we are responsible for our actions directly, and not responsible our existence (which has determined our sinful nature because we are rooted in Adam). Making choices is the primary activity of our being.
Paul’s “two wills” talk in Romans 7 (TM still hasn’t answered me on that, BTW) is best taken metaphorically, but its imagery implies that the will of the flesh is such a hopeless case that God has to implant a new one in rivalry to it. I think the reality is that our original will is pulled hither and yon by the old habits and corruption and by the new spiritual nature, and although Paul implores us (ie our wills)to submit to the Spirit rather than the flesh (ie give up our freedom to sin), the passage ends with an appeal to the grace of Christ. Even the regenerate will is not yet fully free.
I agree that even regenerate wills are not completely free. I would even suggest that with our degenerate will, we are not free to choose Christ, not free in any meaningful sense; but neither are we free to look upon God, or touch the surface of stars. Nor are we free to be selfless and pride-less. This doesn't mean that our will is necessarily less free, just that there are choices which are not available. Some of these are due to sin's corruption, and some are edicts of God. It may very well be that the corruption of our will has resulted in a "self" that is helpless against the power of sin. As a matter of fact, expressed that way, it's difficult to argue with. I think there is a lot to pick apart that I may not even be qualified to address (I haven't read anything significant on the various views on free will.) However it makes no sense to deliberate on whether humans have at their core a free will if we do not agree that will is central to God's being. In other words, if God doesn't have a preeminent free will that exists at the core of the "I am" then neither do we. I'm not against diving into Romans 7 at some point perhaps; but it is a difficult passage, in part because it takes into account Mosaic law. In addition, when dealing with the redeemed, we are dealing with a "new creature," and so a different sort of entity than an unredeemed person. These should be taken into account when parsing those verses IMO. In my mind, if we can't resolve why we are personally responsible for a nature we didn't create, inherited by an event we could not prevent (coming into existence) then we're left with, "well that's just how God did it, he can do it any way he wants." To me that's a capricious God, and I can't accept that God is capricious. However Paul's exhortation, that God, "hardens whom he wants to harden" may give us a clue that we're not going to figure it out this mystery anytime soon. Just to note, I'm trying to reason all this through. I'm not against being convinced otherwise, but I'm trying not only communicate my reasoning, but work it through as I go, taking into account what others have written.material.infantacy
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