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Our contributor JB asked to have a conversation on what is important in Mathematics, especially Math education.

I shared some thoughts.

>>Why not, let’s just do that, follow it up and see where it goes?

For instance, I think a key insight is to find a useful, powerful definition of what mathematics is. If we understand what it is we are exploring, it may give us a deeper, richer view on how we may understand and apply it. And for this, I have come to the view that an adaptation of a view I was taught by my very first uni prof is key:

Math is [the study of] the logic of structure and quantity.

That, is, there are two aspects, first, the substance of a certain field of reality: it forms a coherent framework of largely abstract structures and quantities. Coherence, being the gateway to the logic that guides our reasoning, and turns on the premise that realities are so together, thus accurate descriptions of said realities — truths — must equally fit with one another as they must also fit with realities. This means, rational thought is a main tool (and increasing our power of rational thought is a key motive and end) of Mathematics.

Further to this, I see a key application of the logic of being.For, key Mathematical entities, while abstract, are necessary, framework components of any possible world. Which immediately gives them enormous power and depth, as well as being a source of the aesthetic pleasure excited by well done Mathematics — its beauty. Order, intricacy, organising principles reflecting verisimilitude. So, Mathematics can be enriching, enjoyable and en-noble-ing. All of which are highly relevant to education and praxis. Also, the involvement of the appearance and substance of truth (with logical accountability and duties of prudence) brings out an ethical dimension, the other side of axiology.

Mathematics is a value-rich environment.

For example, ponder the compact, powerfully integrative insights locked in Euler’s expression:

0 = 1 + e^i * π

Going beyond, I find that a survey of key structures such as von Neumann’s exploration of the natural counting numbers, N, will help flesh this out, also teaching us the style of creative, insightful exploration that draws out the insightful creativity you are seeking to promote:

{} –> 0
{0} –> 1
{0,1} –> 2
. . . [HUGE!]
{0,1,2, . . . } –> ω

From this we may rapidly access the “mirror-image” additive inverses, thus the Integers Z. Ratios bring us to the rationals, Q. Infinite continued convergent sums of rationals give us the reals, R. Complex numbers C come in as rotating vectors (which then extend to basis vectors, the ijk system, general vectors, quaternions, matrices, tensors thus also groups, rings, fields and algebras). The transfinite ordinals, transfinite hyperreals

and the catapult through 1/x gets us to infinitesimals, here 1/K.

The Surreals come knocking at the door.

Valid infinitesimals give us an insight into Calculus.

With this in hand as a structured survey, all sorts of gateways for exploration are open, including a sound appreciation of sets, mathematical foundations, topology and more. Worthwhile in itself but also obviously relevant to the Calculus you wish to explore. Also, pointing to the world of computing.

We then gain an insight on axiomatisation and how it is subtly shaped by exploration and discovery of key mathematical facts (especially, necessary entities present in the framework of any world). So, we see how axioms may need to be plausible and if well phrased allow us to spin out abstract logic-model worlds that may speak to this and other possible worlds. Where, computing allows us to use machines in that exploration. More broadly, modelling is seen as a powerful but potentially misleading approach. Thus, issues of validation and testing lurk.

We could go on, but I think we see a vision.

While I am at it, Mr Shallit’s sneer falls to the ground, once we see the reality of necessary entities in world frameworks, the relevance of truth, beauty, prudence and more as well as the power of mind to have insight, to intuit, to perceive and to draw insights that transcend the capabilities of inherently blind, dynamic-stochastic, GIGO-limited computational substrates. Reppert, again, draws out the point decisively:

. . . let us suppose that brain state A [–> notice, state of a wetware, electrochemically operated computational substrate], which is token identical to the thought that all men are mortal, and brain state B, which is token identical to the thought that Socrates is a man, together cause the belief [–> concious, perceptual state or disposition] that Socrates is mortal. It isn’t enough for rational inference that these events be those beliefs, it is also necessary that the causal transaction be in virtue of the content of those thoughts . . . [But] if naturalism is true, then the propositional content is irrelevant to the causal transaction that produces the conclusion, and [so]

we do not have a case of rational inference. In rational inference, as Lewis puts it, one thought causes another thought not by being, but by being seen to be, the ground for it. But causal transactions in the brain occur in virtue of the brain’s being in a particular type of state that is relevant to physical causal transactions.

Mathematics is an exercise of the human spirit, which points to that Spirit who is the greatest Mathematician of all. Manifest, in the Mathematical frameworks of our world. A point long since articulated by founders of modern science who saw themselves as seeking to think God’s creative and world-sustaining thoughts after him. >>

Thoughts? END

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F/N: I further follow up [replacing a lost as logged out comment . . . WP that's a bug not a feature!], using the role of more radical streams of thought on constructivism in Mathematics education:
http://www.pat-thompson.net/PDFversions/2013ConstMathEd.pdf Thompson Patrick W. (2013).: Constructivism in Mathematics Education. In Lerman, S. (Ed.) Encyclopedia of Mathematics Education: Springer [. . . ] There are two principle schools of thought within constructivism: radical constructivism (some people say individual or psychological), and social constructivism. Within each there is also a range of positions. While radical and social constructivism will be discussed in a later section, it should be noted that both schools are grounded in a strong Skeptical stance regarding reality and truth: Knowledge cannot be thought of as a copy of an external reality, and claims of truth cannot be grounded in claims about reality. The justification of this stance toward knowledge, truth, and reality, first voiced by the Skeptics of ancient Greece, is that to verify that one’s knowledge is correct, or that what one knows is true, one would need access to reality by means other than one’s knowledge of it . . . . Constructivism did not begin within mathematics education. Its allure to mathematics educators is rooted in their long evolving rejection of Thorndike’s associationism (Thorndike, 1922; Thorndike, Cobb, Orleans, Symonds, Wald, & Woodyard, 1923) and Skinner’s behaviorism (Skinner, 1972). Thorndike’s stance was that learning happens by forming associations between stimuli and appropriate responses. To design instruction from Thorndike’s perspective meant to arrange proper stimuli in a proper order and have students respond appropriately to those stimuli repeatedly. The behaviorist stance that mathematics educators found most objectionable evolved from Skinner’s claim that all human behavior is due to environmental forces. From a behaviorist perspective, to say that children participate in their own learning, aside from being the recipient of instructional actions, is nonsense . . . . The gradual release of mathematics education from the clutches of behaviorism, and infusions of insights from Polya’s writings on problem solving (Polya, 1945, 1954, 1962), opened mathematics education to new ways of thinking about student learning and the importance of student thinking.
Fail spectacular, self-referential fail. Notice, how the hyperskeptical stance implies what it denies, knowledge of the truth about reality? Similarly, take Josiah Royce's proposition E, error exists. This is undeniably, self evidently true not just a figment of the individual or socially constructed model of "reality." Try to deny it, ~E. Immediately, this means -- and ability to understand is key to self-evidence -- E is an . . . ah, um, err, . . . ERROR. So, the attempt to deny E itself implies E and refutes itself. E is and must undeniably be so on pain of instant, patent absurdity. (Never mind that over the years we have seen cases of those willing to cling to absurdity on this.) So, truth exists and in some cases it is warranted to utter certainty. Thus too, knowledge up to and including undeniably certain knowledge, exists. Any scheme of thought or praxis that tends to undermine such, fails and is unworthy of acceptance. It is error, and our plain duty is to move beyond error to truth and knowledge wherever we can. Now, too, F H Bradley long since decisively addressed the underlying kantian claim of an unbridgeable ugly gulch between our world of appearances and the realities of things in themselves:
We may agree, perhaps, to understand by metaphysics an attempt to know reality as against mere appearance, or the study of first principles or ultimate truths, or again the effort to comprehend the universe, not simply piecemeal or by fragments, but somehow as a whole [--> i.e. the focus of Metaphysics is critical studies of worldviews] . . . . The man who is ready to prove that metaphysical knowledge is wholly impossible . . . himself has, perhaps unknowingly, entered the arena . . . To say the reality is such that our knowledge cannot reach it, is a claim to know reality ; to urge that our knowledge is of a kind which must fail to transcend appearance, itself implies that transcendence. For, if we had no idea of a beyond, we should assuredly not know how to talk about failure or success. And the test, by which we distinguish them, must obviously be some acquaintance with the nature of the goal. Nay, the would-be sceptic, who presses on us the contradictions of our thoughts, himself asserts dogmatically. For these contradictions might be ultimate and absolute truth, if the nature of the reality were not known to be otherwise . . . [such] objections . . . are themselves, however unwillingly, metaphysical views, and . . . a little acquaintance with the subject commonly serves to dispel [them]. [Appearance and Reality, 2nd Edn, 1897 (1916 printing), pp. 1 - 2; INTRODUCTION. At Web Archive.]
Going further, knowledge is shot through with ethical import, as "warrant" implies. That is, our intellectual lives are morally governed through inescapable duties of care to truth, right reason, prudence, justice etc. This then applies with particular force to Mathematics and to education in Mathematics, as this is the field that studies, builds the habits and skills of and applies right reason to things that may be quantified and/or symbolised and analysed or modelled structurally. So, it is particularly important to get Math and Math Education ethically right. KFkairosfocus
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F/N: To get a picture of some concerns, ask what is missing here:
https://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/imprint_downloads/merrill_professional/Van_de_Walle_9780132824828.pdf Teaching Mathematics for Understanding Teachers generally agree that teaching for understanding is a good thing. But this statement begs the question: What is understanding? Understanding is being able to think and act flexibly with a topic or concept. It goes beyond knowing; it is more than a collection of in­ formation, facts, or data. It is more than being able to follow steps in a procedure. One hallmark of mathematical understanding is a student’s ability to justify why a given mathematical claim or answer is true or why a mathematical rule makes sense (Council of Chief State School Officers, 2010) . . . . Adding It Up (National Research Council, 2001), an influential research review on how children learn mathematics, identifies the following five strands of mathematical proficiency as indicators that someone understands (and can do) mathematics. • Conceptual understanding: Comprehension of mathematical concepts, operations, and relations • Procedural fluency : Skill in carrying out procedures flexibly, accurately, efficiently, and appropriately • Strategic competence: Ability to formulate, represent, and solve mathematical problems • Adaptive reasoning: Capacity for logical thought, reflection, explanation, and justification • Productive disposition: Habitual inclination to see mathematics as sensible, useful, and worthwhile, coupled with a belief in diligence and one’s own effi­ cacy ( Reprinted with permission from p. 116 of Add- ing It Up: Helping Children Learn Mathematics, 2001, by the National Academy of Sciences, Courtesy of the National Academies Press, Washington, D.C.) This report maintains that the strands of mathematical proficiency are interwoven and interdependent—that is, the development of one strand aids the development of others
Notice, the lack of the overall picture? Notice, failure to deal with the logic of structure and quantity thus creation of logic model worlds that frame a domain of thought (leading to theorems etc), or the creation of models that then apply to RW settings through in-common elements? And of course the missing computer integration. I think a good case in point is the structuring of numbers on a line centred on zero, extended to hyperreals and involving both transfinites and infinitesimals. An obvious context is Calculus, but it goes beyond to things like what continuum means and the linked mileposting using counting numbers and ordinals etc. The idea of space and dimensions can then be brought into play. From this ideas of relationships, operations, variables, functions etc can be developed. Insightful understanding has to do with grasping integrated logically coherent frames of thought. Including, how one reality logically entails another, thence proof sequences, derivations, etc. In short, what is the STUFF of Mathematics. And of course, seeing the infinity next door to familiar counting etc in a structured way that identifies actual ranges, named numbers and values, then catapults using 1/x to give infinitesimals is a starting point. KFkairosfocus
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F/N, FYI/FTR: As a reminder (given the insistent pretence that design theorists do not publish research) I note for the thread :
BIBLIOGRAPHIC AND ANNOTATED LIST OF PEER-REVIEWED PUBLICATIONS SUPPORTING INTELLIGENT DESIGN UPDATED MARCH, 2017 PART I: INTRODUCTION While intelligent design (ID) research is a new scientific field, recent years have been a period of encouraging growth, producing a strong record of peer-reviewed scientific publications. In 2011, the ID movement counted its 50th peer-reviewed scientific paper and new publications continue to appear. As of 2015, the peer-reviewed scientific publication count had reached 90. Many of these papers are recent, published since 2004, when Discovery Institute senior fellow Stephen Meyer published a groundbreaking paper advocating ID in the journal Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington. There are multiple hubs of ID-related research. Biologic Institute, led by molecular biologist Doug Axe, is "developing and testing the scientific case for intelligent design in biology." Biologic conducts laboratory and theoretical research on the origin and role of information in biology, the fine-tuning of the universe for life, and methods of detecting design in nature. Another ID research group is the Evolutionary Informatics Lab, founded by senior Discovery Institute fellow William Dembski along with Robert Marks, Distinguished Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering at Baylor University. Their lab has attracted graduate-student researchers and published multiple peer-reviewed articles in technical science and engineering journals showing that computer programming ”points to the need for an ultimate information source qua intelligent designer." Other pro-ID scientists around the world are publishing peer-reviewed pro-ID scientific papers. These include biologist Ralph Seelke at the University of Wisconsin Superior, Wolf-Ekkehard Lonnig who recently retired from the Max Planck Institute for Plant Breeding Research in Germany, and Lehigh University biochemist Michael Behe. These and other labs and researchers have published their work in a variety of appropriate technical venues, including peer-reviewed scientific journals, peer-reviewed scientific books (some published by mainstream university presses), trade-press books, peer-edited scientific anthologies, peer-edited scientific conference proceedings and peer-reviewed philosophy of science journals and books. These papers have appeared in scientific journals such as Protein Science, Journal of Molecular Biology, Theoretical Biology and Medical Modelling, Journal of Advanced Computational Intelligence and Intelligent Informatics, Complexity, Quarterly Review of Biology, Cell Biology International, Physics Essays, Rivista di Biologia / Biology Forum, Physics of Life Reviews, Quarterly Review of Biology, Journal of Bacteriology , Annual Review of Genetics, and many others. At the same time, pro-ID scientists have presented their research at conferences worldwide in fields such as genetics, biochemistry, engineering, and computer science. Collectively, this body of research is converging on a consensus: complex biological features cannot arise by unguided Darwinian mechanisms, but require an intelligent cause. Despite ID’s publication record, we note parenthetically that recognition in peer-reviewed literature is not an absolute requirement to demonstrate an idea’s scientific merit. Darwin’s own theory of evolution was first published in a book for a general and scientific audience -- his Origin of Species -- not in a peer-reviewed paper. Nonetheless, ID’s peer-reviewed publication record shows that it deserves -- and is receiving -- serious consideration by the scientific community. The purpose of ID’s budding research program is thus to engage open-minded scientists and thoughtful laypersons with credible, persuasive, peer-reviewed, empirical data supporting intelligent design. And this is happening. ID has already gained the kind of scientific recognition you would expect from a young (and vastly underfunded) but promising scientific field . . .
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Brother Brian:
If I were going to establish a centre for educational reform, I sure as hell would install senior management with education and/or extensive experience in the education field if I wanted it to be taken seriously. They are not hard to find. What credibility do these two have with respect to education?
They aren't closed-mined liberals. That is a great start. An intellectual would attack their record and what they say, if it could be so attacked. A lowlife punk attacks the person without even regarding anything else. Imagine never hiring anyone with a fresh take on what is going on and the leadership skills to pull it off.ET
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F/N: While it is a bit off to the side from this thread's focus, let's draw a little from the DI Ed centre and see how it speaks to education transformation. Let me pick a point of interest, addressing the governance challenge at the heart of what has been going wrong with education in the US:
https://www.discovery.org/education/2019/07/23/transform-education-from-the-ground-up/ At the center of the problem with the current approach to public schools is that a centralized government has great difficulty fixing localized problems. As Jay W. Richards, Senior Fellow at Discovery Institute, points out in his book, Money, Greed, And God, “The problem isn’t that government workers are stupid or uncaring. The problem is all about information and incentives. A centralized government knows less about individual problems than does practically anyone closer to the problem.” He continues, “replacing a family or a neighborhood or a local church with a federal program for helping the down-and-out is like trying to have an official in the Department of Commerce guess how much I should pay, right now, for a new pair of size-9 Asics running shoes.” A more bureaucratic centralized institution faces a guessing game—namely the need to predict what is best for children in a particular local community. The local philanthropist is in a much better position to understand his particular community and the interests of those within the community. To this point Richards adds that “all of these organizations have one thing in common: they define their mission in part by what the government does or doesn’t provide. If the government weren’t occupying most of the charitable ecosystem, charities would be profoundly different.”
This is in fact a simple statement of a famous challenge issued by von Mises in the 1920's, the issue of sound socialist-centralist calculation of values [thus, criteria for rationing scarce resources across competing wants]. This boils down, in turn to a computer architecture problem. When estimators are hard to specify and calculate out side of a market, communication of quantities and priorities to a decision centre to hope for prompt sound, balanced, flexible decision is bound to fail. Just doing a 300 x 300 array national accounting table (at a very high level of abstraction that in practice depends on markets) already implies 9*10^4 elements in the Matrix. Going down to rapid response to very local and rapidly changing circumstances simply will not fit with the decision making lags for central planners. Instead a large array of much simpler planning entities (households and firms) coupled through markets will be far more likely to be rapidly responsive and far less vulnerable to single point failures. So, across time, autonomous, local planning in market networks will provide far superior performance on resource allocation and rationing problems. Including, estimating opportunity costs; the real economic costs for alternatives taken -- the next best opportunity foregone. In education context, major, centralised curriculum decisions are fraught with serious power conflicts and usually decisions are made on horse trading power and influence. As a result, central bureaucracies attract ideologues with agendas who are backed by moneyed interests [which include those who control tax revenue streams]. This tends to lock out sound innovation and leads to decision by real or manipulated crisis. The disastrous trend is predictable, especially in an age with cultural marxism and post modernism on the march multiplied by the destructive, suicidal tendencies of evolutionary materialism as has been known since Plato warned us in The Laws Bk X, c 360 BC. In that context, thinktanks that can mobilise money to fund genuinely independent analysis and research leading to publishing of a growing body of knowledge under minority paradigms can have disproportionate positive impact. Here, the impact of the Austrians on Economics in the past three generations is a classic study. Such a growing body then can guide alternative policy frames, demonstration projects and alternative schools for practitioners. Here, that is directly relevant to education. However, the aggressive hegemony and ruthlessness of ideologised centralised bureaucracies will have to be curbed. Which sounds about right for a Libertarian Thinktank. Which is what the Discovery Institute is. When paradigms need to be drastically shifted, the critical expertise is going to be innovation, governance and incubating transformational change, not indoctrination in the paradigm in unacknowledged crisis. The technical fellows will come [change comes from idea originators and champions but it needs sponsorship, incubation and Godfathers able to deploy resources and marshals to defend the incubator], you need innovators to focus their efforts towards successful strategic change. The obvious blunder in your race to dismissal is failure to understand the role of fellows. Who, in highly polarised times, may need to be protected from idea-implementer hitmen, trolls, agit prop media hacks and howling SJW mobs. So, in that context, just maybe, rethinking Mathematics education is something that can grow legs and go somewhere serious. JB's ideas for Calculus education are being put on the table at an auspicious time. KFkairosfocus
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KF
BB, you were specifically asked to address substance. You have tried to distract attention and attack the man. Again. That speaks — again also — to lack of seriousness. Duly noted. KF
If I were going to establish a centre for educational reform, I sure as hell would install senior management with education and/or extensive experience in the education field if I wanted it to be taken seriously. They are not hard to find. What credibility do these two have with respect to education?Brother Brian
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kairosfocus- Brother Brian is a waste of bandwidth. If, by now, you don't realize that he is not interested in an honest and open discussion, I don't know what it would take to do so.ET
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Brother Brian:
But it was really difficult getting past the SENIOR FELLOW AND PROGRAM DIRECTOR, AMERICAN CENTER FOR TRANSFORMING EDUCATION, who’s expertise involves selling lamps.
That is a lowlife thing to say about someone who He currently serves as Chairman of Lumenal Lighting, LLC., a business he purchased in 2004. Lumenal Lighting is in the commercial lighting business and serves companies, schools, government facilities and non-profit organizations in the Pacific Northwest. And a program coordinator with experience coordinating is a bad thing... :roll: You're kind of a punk, you know that?ET
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BB, you were specifically asked to address substance. You have tried to distract attention and attack the man. Again. That speaks -- again also -- to lack of seriousness. Duly noted. KFkairosfocus
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Brother Brian:
Is it as productive and effective as BioComplexity, the Discovery Institute’s peer reviewed ID journal?
It is more productive than blind watchmaker research.ET
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BB, why don’t you go look and see what their analyses and suggestions are, then actually do the diligence of responding on the merits.
I read them. But it was really difficult getting past the SENIOR FELLOW AND PROGRAM DIRECTOR, AMERICAN CENTER FOR TRANSFORMING EDUCATION, who’s expertise involves selling lamps. Or the PROGRAM COORDINATOR, AMERICAN CENTER FOR TRANSFORMING EDUCATION, who’s “experience includes managing campaigns for elected officials as well administrative roles with elected officials at the local, state, and federal levels of government. He holds a B.A. in Politics and Government from Pacific Lutheran University.” What seems to be missing in the DI’s centre for education transformation is any background in education.Brother Brian
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BB, why don't you go look and see what their analyses and suggestions are, then actually do the diligence of responding on the merits. Further to that, I suggest that DI's efforts regarding the design inference have objectively succeeded; the ideological, locked in intensity of objection to the obvious and well warranted point that many things show strong and reliable, tested and found consistently true signs of being designed ironically speaks for itself. But, that is tangential for this thread. The point for here is, serious independent thinking on the need for educational transformation is going on. Such will ultimately prevail, but I fear a terrible, needless price will be paid by our civilisation first. KFkairosfocus
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F/N: It seems Discovery Institute has a centre for education transformation:
Is it as productive and effective as BioComplexity, the Discovery Institute’s peer reviewed ID journal?Brother Brian
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F/N: It seems Discovery Institute has a centre for education transformation: https://www.discovery.org/education/ KFkairosfocus
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Mathematica on the Raspberry Pi https://projects.raspberrypi.org/en/projects/getting-started-with-mathematica More, example based: https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/wolfram-mathematica-raspberry-pi/ note issue 67 https://www.raspberrypi.org/magpi/issues/67/kairosfocus
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LC, sad, very sad. KFkairosfocus
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As an example of plans to change how math is taught see here: https://www.thecollegefix.com/trending-educators-work-to-combat-racism-whiteness-in-math/LoneCycler
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Raspberry Pi tablet https://makezine.com/2014/01/07/how-i-built-a-raspberry-pi-tablet/kairosfocus
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Hazel, has it dawned on you that there is a RW to address? That Dorian passed through yesterday, causing both Net access and power headaches? That I had meetings to attend, issues to address elsewhere and more? As far as the R-Pi is concerned, it is a cost-effective, transformational PLATFORM for education, and in my view transitional to what I really want in the end, here from 50: "It will include pervasive computing, starting with things like the Raspberry Pi and going on from there; I envision a dockable 2 in 1 [~ 10 inch screen I think] with an array of interface ports for experimental and industrial work carrying a built in library of live resources with others living on the web." That can probably be done using the R-Pi as mini motherboard, and I raise this as an option as I am thinking a deal had to be struck to get Mathematica embedded with Raspbian Linux. Such a super-tablet platform could do a lot. I would also do a kit dockable to a flat screen TV, converting it into a large screen tablet able to access the Net and to host local resources as well as to teleconference. My ideal size is 50 - 60 inches given current cost patterns. This will shift teachers to facilitators rather than primary content deliverers, as we can then stream high quality presentations from a repository using the best of the best, leveraging the ideas of Khan Academy etc. Already, the regional Exams (and so curricula) syndicate CXC is moving to a hub with rich resources. Think here, online multimedia library. Coming back, I think there is a concept challenge on ethics, knowledge, learning and the rational dimension of our life. I have repeatedly highlighted something that is effectively self-evident: our rational thought is inescapably morally governed through duties to truth, right reason, prudence [thus, warrant]. sound conscience [eqn: integrity = sound convictions + courage to live by them], neighbourliness [= PaoloV's love principle], fairness and justice etc. Thus our intellectual lives are shot through with pervasive ethics; moral government . . . which opens out in another space I am currently dealing with, law and governance i/l/o the laws of our morally governed nature. In which context, knowledge -- warranted, credibly true (and so, reliable) belief -- is therefore similarly ethically pervaded, noting the import and implications of "warranted." So, apart from the sort of things associated with statistricks or ponzi schemes etc, the whole course of knowledge and education, epistemology and reasoning towards warrant is pervaded with ethical considerations. Which, necessarily includes Mathematics. That, I add, is a central point in my discussion. In that context, the tendency documented from the horse's mouth [US NAS] to try to shoehorn Mathematics in under the umbrella of science despite its radically different framework of warrant both exhibits the scientism component of imposed, dominant, domineering naturalism, and inadvertently highlights the implied ethical gap. Evolutionary materialistic scientism is self-refuting by undermining the credibility of mind, and it is domineering, demanding genuflection before the vestments of the lab coat. It has unjustly claimed a monopoly on credible, reliable knowledge. So, somehow it has to capture Mathematics, despite the radically differing methodologies; especially as Mathematics is vital to key sciences. (Notice the struggles above over naturalistic ontology, as SEP summarised.) The "solution" is to gerrymander the "boundaries" of Science and claim Mathematics as a science rather than acknowledge something that would blow up the monopolising project: there is no one size fits all, surefire method of warrant that captures all types of sound, sufficiently reliable knowledge to be used freely in responsible contexts. In short, something is wrong ethically and epistemologically as well as logically, and the inappropriate relabelling of Mathematics as a "science" is a key clue. Further to this, I just pointed to three of the five major domains of the REAL root discipline for the academy, philosophy: metaphysics (including Ontology, logic of being), logic, axiology (including ethics and aesthetics), epistemology, Meta-studies of disciplines [Phil-of-X]. In short, we see a sounder framing of the Academy itself here. In that context, the reform agenda framework I outlined anchors Mathematics in logic of being and logic starting from first principles of right reason applied to possible worlds and framework entities. Axiomatisations then reveal themselves as ways to structure abstract logic-model worlds and connect to both set constructions and modelling thus also simulation and computing. The von Neumann construction then allows us to move to the key quantity-sets: N, Z, Q, R, C and hyper-extensions, bringing in transfinites and infinitesimals thus opening up Calculus naturally. The ijk cut down from Quaternions -- posit other roots of negative unity -- then frames space and opens up Euclidean Geometry, non-Euclidean, Hilbert Spaces, vectors, matrices, tensors [now emerging in computing] and other relevant structures. Integral transforms and complex numbers, tied to frequency domain and transients, with the famous heavy rubber sheet model allows powerful exploration of dynamics of lumped systems. Differential equations come along for the ride, and partials come a knocking especially for fields. State/configuration and phase space frameworks open out more. And much more. All, tied to clearing up the ethics (and flawed epistemology) of trying to shoehorn Mathematics in under "science." KFkairosfocus
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No specifics about the Raspberry Pi. Just selective quotes. kf isn't able to answer. No sense in my continuing to ask Time to sink back into retirement.hazel
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Hazel, scientism. Notice from 37:
T Williamson in NYT blogs, 2011: https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/what-is-naturalism/ . . . One challenge to naturalism is to find a place for mathematics. Natural sciences rely on it, but should we count it a science in its own right? If we do, then the description of scientific method just given is wrong, for it does not fit the science of mathematics, which proves its results by pure reasoning, rather than the hypothetico-deductive method. Although a few naturalists, such as W.V. Quine, argued that the real evidence in favor of mathematics comes from its applications in the natural sciences, so indirectly from observation and experiment, that view does not fit the way the subject actually develops. When mathematicians assess a proposed new axiom, they look at its consequences within mathematics, not outside. On the other hand, if we do not count pure mathematics a science, we thereby exclude mathematical proof by itself from the scientific method, and so discredit naturalism. For naturalism privileges the scientific method over all others, and mathematics is one of the most spectacular success stories in the history of human knowledge. Which other disciplines count as science? Logic? Linguistics? History? Literary theory? How should we decide? The dilemma for naturalists is this. If they are too inclusive in what they count as science, naturalism loses its bite. Naturalists typically criticize some traditional forms of philosophy as insufficiently scientific, because they ignore experimental tests. How can they maintain such objections unless they restrict scientific method to hypothetico-deductivism? But if they are too exclusive in what they count as science, naturalism loses its credibility, by imposing a method appropriate to natural science on areas where it is inappropriate. Unfortunately, rather than clarify the issue, many naturalists oscillate. When on the attack, they assume an exclusive understanding of science as hypothetico-deductive. When under attack themselves, they fall back on a more inclusive understanding of science that drastically waters down naturalism. Such maneuvering makes naturalism an obscure article of faith. I don’t call myself a naturalist because I don’t want to be implicated in equivocal dogma. Dismissing an idea as “inconsistent with naturalism” is little better than dismissing it as “inconsistent with Christianity.”
Why, so hot to push it under the Science-Naturalism umbrella? Similarly, I remind from US NAS in 33:
https://services.math.duke.edu/undergraduate/Handbook96_97/node5.html The Nature of Mathematics (These paragraphs are reprinted with permission from Everybody Counts: A Report to the Nation on the Future of Mathematics Education. ©1989 by the National Academy of Sciences. Courtesy of the National Academy Press, Washington, D.C.) Mathematics reveals hidden patterns that help us understand the world around us. Now much more than arithmetic and geometry, mathematics today is a diverse discipline that deals with data, measurements, and observations from science; with inference, deduction, and proof; and with mathematical models of natural phenomena, of human behavior, and of social systems. As a practical matter, mathematics is a science of pattern and order. Its domain is not molecules or cells, but numbers, chance, form, algorithms, and change. As a science of abstract objects, mathematics relies on logic rather than on observation as its standard of truth, yet employs observation, simulation, and even experimentation as means of discovering truth. The special role of mathematics in education is a consequence of its universal applicability [–> hint, hint!]. The results of mathematics–theorems and theories–are both significant and useful; the best results are also elegant and deep. Through its theorems, mathematics offers science both a foundation of truth and a standard of certainty. In addition to theorems and theories, mathematics offers distinctive modes of thought which are both versatile and powerful, including modeling, abstraction, optimization, logical analysis, inference from data, and use of symbols. Experience with mathematical modes of thought builds mathematical power–a capacity of mind of increasing value in this technological age that enables one to read critically, to identify fallacies, to detect bias, to assess risk, and to suggest alternatives. Mathematics empowers us to understand better the information-laden world in which we live. [–> bursting with implications] During the first half of the twentieth century, mathematical growth was stimulated primarily by the power of abstraction and deduction, climaxing more than two centuries of effort to extract full benefit from the mathematical principles of physical science formulated by Isaac Newton. Now, as the century closes, the historic alliances of mathematics with science are expanding rapidly; the highly developed legacy of classical mathematical theory is being put to broad and often stunning use in a vast mathematical landscape. Several particular events triggered periods of explosive growth. The Second World War forced development of many new and powerful methods of applied mathematics. Postwar government investment in mathematics, fueled by Sputnik, accelerated growth in both education and research. Then the development of electronic computing moved mathematics toward an algorithmic perspective even as it provided mathematicians with a powerful tool for exploring patterns and testing conjectures. At the end of the nineteenth century, the axiomatization of mathematics on a foundation of logic and sets made possible grand theories of algebra, analysis, and topology whose synthesis dominated mathematics research and teaching for the first two thirds of the twentieth century. [–> were such axiomatisations shaped by a body of antecedent facts which they had to conform to to be acceptable?] These traditional areas have now been supplemented by major developments in other mathematical sciences–in number theory, logic, statistics, operations research, probability, computation, geometry, and combinatorics. In each of these subdisciplines, applications parallel theory. Even the most esoteric and abstract parts of mathematics–number theory and logic, for example–are now used routinely in applications (for example, in computer science and cryptography). Fifty years ago, the leading British mathematician G.H. Hardy could boast that number theory was the most pure and least useful part of mathematics. Today, Hardy’s mathematics is studied as an essential prerequisite to many applications, including control of automated systems, data transmission from remote satellites, protection of financial records, and efficient algorithms for computation. In 1960, at a time when theoretical physics was the central jewel in the crown of applied mathematics, Eugene Wigner wrote about the “unreasonable effectiveness” of mathematics in the natural sciences: “The miracle of the appropriateness of the language of mathematics for the formulation of the laws of physics is a wonderful gift which we neither understand nor deserve.” [–> a big hint on the motivation of logic of being analysis as relevant] Theoretical physics has continued to adopt (and occasionally invent) increasingly abstract mathematical models as the foundation for current theories. For example, Lie groups and gauge theories–exotic expressions of symmetry–are fundamental tools in the physicist’s search for a unified theory of force. During this same period, however, striking applications of mathematics have emerged across the entire landscape of natural, behavioral, and social sciences . . .
See it again, here from US NAS? Those are only a few pointers to the problem. KFkairosfocus
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I agree with you 100% about widespread computing education and the value of inexpensive technology such as the Raspberry Pi. We are in agreement there. How does this have anything to do naturalism or scientism? I can't see how naturalists and others such as theists would have any disagreement about this on philosophical grounds. Yes, you have been specific about the Raspberry Pi. No, you haven't been at all specific about how this has anything to do with naturalism.hazel
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BB, you have clearly shown persistent lack of seriousness. KF
No. I have asked a very simple question. All you have to do is answer yes or no. Should atheist be allowed to teach our children?Brother Brian
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Hazel, the specifics are right there, down to recommended technologies and a specific rated Mathematics application on a powerful cost effective platform. Also, I point out that this is an outline curriculum framework which also engages the ethical import of warrant as key to knowledge. Along the way, scientism is also dealt with. KFkairosfocus
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BB, you have clearly shown persistent lack of seriousness. KFkairosfocus
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kf, how does quoting yourself add anything to the conversation? And where are some specifics about teaching math? For instance, why can't you address just this question: "How does introducing computing early and using inexpensive technology such as the Raspberry Pi have anything to do with naturalism?"hazel
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August 27, 2019 at 5:50 pm BB, it is obvious that you have not addressed the substantial approach but have resorted to red herrings, straw men and ad homs.
Am I allowed to say that you are full of fecal matter? Any time you are presented with real arguments you throw out the red herring, strawman, ad hom accusations. If you can’t address the actual issues, just say so. Don’t dismiss them with your prepackaged dismissive nonsense. Just answer my questions. Would you prefer a system where atheists are not allowed to be teachers? Where theists vette who can teach? We both know that this is a rhetorical question.Brother Brian
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Hazel, the excerpted definitions are right there, simply read please. Scientism is a key component of naturalism; which in turn is manifestly dominant in the academy and has been for many decades. Notice, especially, how SEP tries to navigate around the challenges. KF PS: For your convenience, I excerpt 42:
The first step to solution is awareness, sensitisation. Next, we need to have a serious discussion on the issues and on our responsibilities. Then, across time — wonder why it took 20+ years to break the slave trade and altogether 50 to end slavery? [Hint: paradigms tend to shift one funeral at a time and a generation is about 30 years] — we need to build a new approach as our understanding grows. That approach will probably shift from N and R to N* and R* with results from the surreals, giving a better picture of numbers. C* will come in through the rotating vectors view. Thus, we have a better picture of core quantities, which will make infinitesimals and Calculus more natural. The logic of being will allow us to see why key structures and quantities are relevant to any possible world, with the principle of distinct identity and its corollaries drawing out the role of logic and how it disciplines our study; self-evident first truths shape any domain of study and any viable worldview will build on them — answering a weak foundations problem across our education and linked selective hyperskepticism and even trollishness. BTW, already, distinct identity of a possible world gives us 0,1,2 inviting the von Neumann construction so we see that numbers and linked structures and relationships are integral to any possible world . . . answering Wigner’s amazement. A natural synergy with computing will need to be encouraged and we have to get used to a world where all mechanical calculations are correct as a matter of course so assessment does not turn on red X’s for errors, instead facility with mathematical thinking, modelling and framing then perhaps simulating with logic model worlds or interfacing with RW systems and investigations. Right now I am impressed with the Raspberry Pi, which comes with Mathematica. This world will not subtly impose self-refuting physicalism as a dominant and domineering regime — by that time, it will be a case study on what went wrong. In that world, there will not be the sort of sneeringly dismissive unjustifiably contemptuous attitude to theism and theists that we see in Mr Shallit’s ugly remarks in reaction to Mr Bartlett’s book on a fresh approach to Calculus (using Hyperreals BTW) — immediately, an indicator of serious ethical issues . . . . I should note, when I first began to find the treasure-house of Russian textbooks, I came to learn that every High School kid did 5 years of Physics and four of Calculus based Mathematics there. With IPS in 3rd form and then O and A level Physics, that’s about what I did but as a specialist in the Sci-Tech track.
Do, tell us whether or no this outlines a curricular vision with roots in Elementary stages, going through high school years and into early College; with connexion to the ethical in the main through the challenge of warrant.kairosfocus
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kf, I have known many math teachers, and I have worked on math curriculum at local, state, and even the national level. I have never heard anyone try to "shoe-horn Mathematics in under the prestigious umbrella, Science." As I mentioned above 8 above, (perhaps the only post in this whole thread that addresses the question in the OP), students first must be taught about the logical structure and content of math. They must also be taught applications of math, which can be to science, or business, or carpentry, or just running a home, or a myriad of fields. Math is not a subset of science. Math is a tool that science uses, but so do many other fields. Again, this has nothing to do with naturalism. I don't see how a naturalist and a theist would disagree on the points I've made (and I have taught side by side with both and seen absolutely nothing that would distinguish the teaching of the two.) Again (and maybe for the last time - who knows?), you can think of nothing but your very general and pervasive concerns about how the world is being ruined by naturalism, but you can't mention one concrete specific example of that in respect to real teaching. And for the life of me I don't see how introducing computing early and using inexpensive technology such as the Raspberry Pi has anything to do with naturalism, and I'll bet you can't, in any specific way, explain.hazel
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PaoloV, you raise much wider issues tied to civilisational reform. That is a job for the churches as embassies of a Kingdom from Beyond. Such goes far beyond mere Mathematics education reforms, though soundly reared kids will naturally thrive in transformational education. KF PS: A "good time" might convey sexual connotations in English under stated circumstances.kairosfocus
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