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Our contributor JB asked to have a conversation on what is important in Mathematics, especially Math education.

I shared some thoughts.

>>Why not, let’s just do that, follow it up and see where it goes?

For instance, I think a key insight is to find a useful, powerful definition of what mathematics is. If we understand what it is we are exploring, it may give us a deeper, richer view on how we may understand and apply it. And for this, I have come to the view that an adaptation of a view I was taught by my very first uni prof is key:

Math is [the study of] the logic of structure and quantity.

That, is, there are two aspects, first, the substance of a certain field of reality: it forms a coherent framework of largely abstract structures and quantities. Coherence, being the gateway to the logic that guides our reasoning, and turns on the premise that realities are so together, thus accurate descriptions of said realities — truths — must equally fit with one another as they must also fit with realities. This means, rational thought is a main tool (and increasing our power of rational thought is a key motive and end) of Mathematics.

Further to this, I see a key application of the logic of being.For, key Mathematical entities, while abstract, are necessary, framework components of any possible world. Which immediately gives them enormous power and depth, as well as being a source of the aesthetic pleasure excited by well done Mathematics — its beauty. Order, intricacy, organising principles reflecting verisimilitude. So, Mathematics can be enriching, enjoyable and en-noble-ing. All of which are highly relevant to education and praxis. Also, the involvement of the appearance and substance of truth (with logical accountability and duties of prudence) brings out an ethical dimension, the other side of axiology.

Mathematics is a value-rich environment.

For example, ponder the compact, powerfully integrative insights locked in Euler’s expression:

0 = 1 + e^i * π

Going beyond, I find that a survey of key structures such as von Neumann’s exploration of the natural counting numbers, N, will help flesh this out, also teaching us the style of creative, insightful exploration that draws out the insightful creativity you are seeking to promote:

{} –> 0
{0} –> 1
{0,1} –> 2
. . . [HUGE!]
{0,1,2, . . . } –> ω

From this we may rapidly access the “mirror-image” additive inverses, thus the Integers Z. Ratios bring us to the rationals, Q. Infinite continued convergent sums of rationals give us the reals, R. Complex numbers C come in as rotating vectors (which then extend to basis vectors, the ijk system, general vectors, quaternions, matrices, tensors thus also groups, rings, fields and algebras). The transfinite ordinals, transfinite hyperreals

and the catapult through 1/x gets us to infinitesimals, here 1/K.

The Surreals come knocking at the door.

Valid infinitesimals give us an insight into Calculus.

With this in hand as a structured survey, all sorts of gateways for exploration are open, including a sound appreciation of sets, mathematical foundations, topology and more. Worthwhile in itself but also obviously relevant to the Calculus you wish to explore. Also, pointing to the world of computing.

We then gain an insight on axiomatisation and how it is subtly shaped by exploration and discovery of key mathematical facts (especially, necessary entities present in the framework of any world). So, we see how axioms may need to be plausible and if well phrased allow us to spin out abstract logic-model worlds that may speak to this and other possible worlds. Where, computing allows us to use machines in that exploration. More broadly, modelling is seen as a powerful but potentially misleading approach. Thus, issues of validation and testing lurk.

We could go on, but I think we see a vision.

While I am at it, Mr Shallit’s sneer falls to the ground, once we see the reality of necessary entities in world frameworks, the relevance of truth, beauty, prudence and more as well as the power of mind to have insight, to intuit, to perceive and to draw insights that transcend the capabilities of inherently blind, dynamic-stochastic, GIGO-limited computational substrates. Reppert, again, draws out the point decisively:

. . . let us suppose that brain state A [–> notice, state of a wetware, electrochemically operated computational substrate], which is token identical to the thought that all men are mortal, and brain state B, which is token identical to the thought that Socrates is a man, together cause the belief [–> concious, perceptual state or disposition] that Socrates is mortal. It isn’t enough for rational inference that these events be those beliefs, it is also necessary that the causal transaction be in virtue of the content of those thoughts . . . [But] if naturalism is true, then the propositional content is irrelevant to the causal transaction that produces the conclusion, and [so]

we do not have a case of rational inference. In rational inference, as Lewis puts it, one thought causes another thought not by being, but by being seen to be, the ground for it. But causal transactions in the brain occur in virtue of the brain’s being in a particular type of state that is relevant to physical causal transactions.

Mathematics is an exercise of the human spirit, which points to that Spirit who is the greatest Mathematician of all. Manifest, in the Mathematical frameworks of our world. A point long since articulated by founders of modern science who saw themselves as seeking to think God’s creative and world-sustaining thoughts after him. >>

Thoughts? END

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Hazel, kindly scroll up and read the excerpts on the hidden curriculum impacts of that naturalism. A good point to start with is the straining to shoe-horn Mathematics in under the prestigious umbrella, Science. Ponder the lurking demarcation issues and the failure of such arguments. That alone will tell much about what is broken. Mathematics is a logic-disciplined study. It is not a science and that is no problem because scientism is dead, having skewered itself. KFkairosfocus
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KF @48: Yes, agree with what you suggest. The learning of logic should help to engage in serious discussions about everything that is within and around us. Mathematics also helps to develop a disciplined approach to abstract and serious thinking. But it isn't sufficient. Just necessary. Much more is needed. My concern is that above all the learning at home and in school, children and young people should experience (proactive) love, first as beneficiaries of receiving it and then as beneficiaries of giving it to others. But unfortunately what seems more common is the reactive kind of love, which is the natural kind. That won't lead us to any desired destination at the end of the day. Any long and winding road won't lead us to the right door if it is not the right road. Communication between human beings is very poor and the tremendous advance of technology hasn't helped to make the communication better. There seems to be a huge disrespect of contextual meaning of words and statements. One gets the impression that nobody cares about anything important. Entertainment (killing time) seems to be a high priority. I know a person who was riding an elevator in a cruise ship and another person in the elevator asked him "are you having a good time?" to what the person I know responded "what do you mean by 'good time'?" The other person was shocked and ran out of the elevator as soon as the door opened. We're not used to seriously profound questions. We're not prepared to hear them. Specially in an elevator in a cruise ship. We use convoluted phrases to express superficial ideas. In the above anecdote maybe the questioner was simply trying to say "hi!" in a more cheerful manner? The expression OMG is heard very often all around in completely irrelevant situations. Turn on HGTV and watch a program where they show a house or an apartment and you hear OMG too often. Does that imply a poor vocabulary? Don't we know how to express feelings, surprise, etc using more appropriate terms? Perhaps Math at early age would help to setup a more serious mindset to appreciate value, to discern good from bad, to search for wisdom and to express ourselves better. But as it was said before, most important is (proactive) love.PaoloV
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I keep intending to drop out of this discussion, but kf writes,
As someone who has designed innovative degree programmes for technology, I am looking hard at what is happening with Mathematics. It is pointing to needed reforms that will take us beyond the current broken naturalistic paradigm and extensions of post-/ultra- modernism. It will include pervasive computing, starting with things like the Raspberry Pi ...
I can't imagine at all how math reforms (some of which kf, JohnnyB, and I agree about) have anything to do with a "broken naturalistic paradigm and extensions of post-/ultra- modernism," nor how pervasive computing (which I agree with) has anything to do somehow addressing this "naturalistic paradigm." kf continually throws out all these generalities without being able to point to one specific of math education issue or math reform that has anything to do with naturalism. I am reminded of the old Texas saying, "All hat, no cattle." :-)hazel
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BB, it is obvious that you have not addressed the substantial approach but have resorted to red herrings, straw men and ad homs. That is a telling sign that you have no answer. Let's start again, distinct identity and logic of being delivers the key sets, but we go to the hyper sets as more useful -- and in fact they were lurking behind the number lines we were taught. With Non-Standard analysis in hand infinitesimals are back, valid. The Raspberry Pi and successors delivers transformational technology. We now have to engage a world where mechanical calculations will be correct as a matter of course. Likewise, we are framing from self-evident first principles, delivering framework structures and quantities present in any world. The epistemology and required warrant have been delivered, providing worlds of mathematical fact that are antecedent to grand axiomatisation, as a learning experience. Paradigm shift, with abstracta as familiar as empiricals. KF PS: your phrasing above is odd, are you discussing curriculum design at programme level? On the technology side a key issue 20+ years ago was to see significance of mechatronics, mass customisation [to a lesser extent] and linked ICT's.kairosfocus
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BB, As someone who has designed innovative degree programmes for technology, I am looking hard at what is happening with Mathematics.
I have done my share of programming as well. In fact, my current position relies extensively on my programming. I still don’t see how my ideology, or yours, makes any difference in the viability of this programming.Brother Brian
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KF, Agree with the correction you made in my comment @44. Thanks.PaoloV
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BB, As someone who has designed innovative degree programmes for technology, I am looking hard at what is happening with Mathematics. It is pointing to needed reforms that will take us beyond the current broken naturalistic paradigm and extensions of post-/ultra- modernism. It will include pervasive computing, starting with things like the Raspberry Pi and going on from there; I envision a dockable 2 in 1 [~ 10 inch screen I think] with an array of interface ports for experimental and industrial work carrying a built in library of live resources with others living on the web. I simply outlined reasonable reforms above and you blew up, trying turnabout projections on reigns of terror. I simply point out that such, since the 1790's, have been characteristic of radical revolutions. KFkairosfocus
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Mathematical logic should be a required course for all undergraduate majors at the university level. Actually, a basic version of it should be a required exam at the lyceum (high school) too.
I agree. Is there anyone who really disagrees with this?Brother Brian
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PaoloV, with the UK starting programming based Computing at the 5 - 7 stage, it needs to go to elementary school level. Raspberry Pi is a response to the same 2012 Furber Royal Society Report on Computing in schools, and now a viable Linux machine on a card is from US$10 - 35 depending on needed features. This is a different world, going forward. KFkairosfocus
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Who is trying to impose their religion [–> or IDEOLOGY, KF]on others? Can you name them? Thanks.
KF. He would obviously prefer that we adopt his ideology voluntarily, but I’m not convinced that he wouldn’t accept the ends justifying the means. Please convince me that I am wrong. For example, would he be opposed to the government banning abortion? Or contraceptives? Or same sex marriage? Or requiring the teaching of Christianity in public schools?Brother Brian
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Mathematical logic should be a required course for all undergraduate majors at the university level. Actually, a basic version of it should be a required exam at the lyceum (high school) too.PaoloV
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BB, with all due respect, you have your answer, building from first self evident principles in a coherent comprehensive, well warranted powerful framework and going through a generation length reformation rather than your projection of the sad heritage of the French Revolution: reigns of terror. I did point to the shift to Hyper-integers (I simply spoke to extending N to N*) and hyperreals as replacing the current focus on R. That's what R* is about, bringing in transfinites and infinitesimals. FYI, knowledge based on warrant starting with well framed first principles is inherently about fulfilling intellectual duties and onward educational ones. Notice, where a world in which a Raspberry Pi SBC with Mathematica, Python and Java costs less {~US$80] than a HP 50 calculator [US$125] has to be utterly different from the old one. KFkairosfocus
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Brother Brian,
I strongly oppose anyone who tries to impose their religion on others. That is evil.
Who is trying to impose their religion [--> or IDEOLOGY, KF]on others? Can you name them? Thanks.PaoloV
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KF, does anyone know what the hell you are saying? I asked a simple question. What is the solution to your fabricated problem? Indoctrination? Brainwashing? Re-education camps? I am not trying to be reactionary, but I get the impression that you simply won’t be satisfied until our education system is governed by a theocracy. And, to be honest, I would fight you on this at every step. Not because I think that religion is evil, but because I strongly oppose anyone who tries to impose their religion on others. That is evil.Brother Brian
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BB, the extremism in your projections speaks for itself, tellingly; it is radical revolutions that produce reigns of terror, ever since the French revolution. The first step to solution is awareness, sensitisation. Next, we need to have a serious discussion on the issues and on our responsibilities. Then, across time -- wonder why it took 20+ years to break the slave trade and altogether 50 to end slavery? [Hint: paradigms tend to shift one funeral at a time and a generation is about 30 years] -- we need to build a new approach as our understanding grows. That approach will probably shift from N and R to N* and R* with results from the surreals, giving a better picture of numbers. C* will come in through the rotating vectors view. Thus, we have a better picture of core quantities, which will make infinitesimals and Calculus more natural. The logic of being will allow us to see why key structures and quantities are relevant to any possible world, with the principle of distinct identity and its corollaries drawing out the role of logic and how it disciplines our study; self-evident first truths shape any domain of study and any viable worldview will build on them -- answering a weak foundations problem across our education and linked selective hyperskepticism and even trollishness. BTW, already, distinct identity of a possible world gives us 0,1,2 inviting the von Neumann construction so we see that numbers and linked structures and relationships are integral to any possible world . . . answering Wigner's amazement. A natural synergy with computing will need to be encouraged and we have to get used to a world where all mechanical calculations are correct as a matter of course so assessment does not turn on red X's for errors, instead facility with mathematical thinking, modelling and framing then perhaps simulating with logic model worlds or interfacing with RW systems and investigations. Right now I am impressed with the Raspberry Pi, which comes with Mathematica. This world will not subtly impose self-refuting physicalism as a dominant and domineering regime -- by that time, it will be a case study on what went wrong. In that world, there will not be the sort of sneeringly dismissive unjustifiably contemptuous attitude to theism and theists that we see in Mr Shallit's ugly remarks in reaction to Mr Bartlett's book on a fresh approach to Calculus (using Hyperreals BTW) -- immediately, an indicator of serious ethical issues. Unfortunately, the price tag for the lessons will likely be high as say the US is already in early stage 4th gen civil war. KF PS: I should note, when I first began to find the treasure-house of Russian textbooks, I came to learn that every High School kid did 5 years of Physics and four of Calculus based Mathematics there. With IPS in 3rd form and then O and A level Physics, that's about what I did but as a specialist in the Sci-Tech track.kairosfocus
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KF, all I see is you raising warnings but have proposed no solutions. What do you see as a solution to the dire straights you think we are in? Ban atheists/naturalists from being teachers? Re-education camps for atheists/naturalists? Have all teachers vetted through the church? I have had a Handful of excellent teachers during my formative years. A couple were atheist, a couple others were Christians and one was a Siek. They never hid their personal beliefs, but they also never let their beliefs bias their teaching.Brother Brian
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BB, start with knowledge as requiring justification or warrant as true and go on from that to inescapable duties to truth, right reason, prudence [including warrant], sound conscience [aka integrity], justice etc. Immediately you will see that while Mathematical knowledge and education are striking cases in point, ethical considerations and moral government pervade all of our intellectual life. This is antecedent to particular worldviews though it does factor in in which views fare best on comparative difficulties. On education and the wider domain of the academy, I would suggest to you that the dominance of and lack of concern over a dominant worldview and linked cultural agenda which is demonstrably self-refuting, undermining of knowledge and of morality should be of serious concern to any responsible educator. Including Mathematics educators. The implications of hidden curriculum and the deep incoherence in the heart of the academy, here, make for a dangerously toxic environment for education. For the record, I suspect, too, that many of us who believe in God or even advocate that the design inference is well warranted per inductive principles, are also going to be tainted -- we breathe the same atmosphere, and have done so throughout our education, formal and informal. My point here, is profound, across the board need for reformation not the insinuation of party-spiritedness that is the patent subtext of your remark. KFkairosfocus
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PPS: Dossey of ISU on Math and teaching:
https://storage.cet.ac.il/SharvitNew/Storage/939935/424648.pdf Perceptions of the nature and role of mathematics held by our society have a major influence on the development of school mathematics curriculum, instruction, and research. The understanding of different conceptions of mathematics is as im- portant to the development and successful implementation of programs in school mathematics as it is to the conduct and interpretation of research studies.
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I note from above on “hidden” matters: >>the presuppositions that lurk in the above will seep out unconsciously in all sorts of ways, starting with the terms we use, the tones in our voices and linked body language, the way a lesson, curriculum or textbook seems “right” and much more. Philosophically loaded, cultural agenda driven hidden curriculum is a real issue and it goes far beyond the politically correct questions on “gender” and curriculum, etc.>> Such are full of ethical significance.
I am having a hard time trying to figure out what you see as the problem with math teaching. Everyone, including teachers, have personal beliefs, opinions and philosophies. I expect that you have no concerns with people who believe in God and ID teaching math, but you somehow have a problem with people who believe in evolution and "naturalism (whatever that is) teaching math. Surely a person who believes in naturalism can be just as capable at teaching math as a creationist. If this were a case of a strict theist teaching evolution, or an evolutionist teaching theology, you might have a point. It would be difficult for them to keep their beliefs separate from their teachings. But math (and physics, and chemistry) are far less prone to being influenced by the philosophical bias of the teacher. I simply don't see the problem here.Brother Brian
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F/N: I note from above on "hidden" matters: >>the presuppositions that lurk in the above will seep out unconsciously in all sorts of ways, starting with the terms we use, the tones in our voices and linked body language, the way a lesson, curriculum or textbook seems “right” and much more. Philosophically loaded, cultural agenda driven hidden curriculum is a real issue and it goes far beyond the politically correct questions on “gender” and curriculum, etc.>> Such are full of ethical significance. KF PS: T Williamson in NYT blogs, 2011:
https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/what-is-naturalism/ . . . One challenge to naturalism is to find a place for mathematics. Natural sciences rely on it, but should we count it a science in its own right? If we do, then the description of scientific method just given is wrong, for it does not fit the science of mathematics, which proves its results by pure reasoning, rather than the hypothetico-deductive method. Although a few naturalists, such as W.V. Quine, argued that the real evidence in favor of mathematics comes from its applications in the natural sciences, so indirectly from observation and experiment, that view does not fit the way the subject actually develops. When mathematicians assess a proposed new axiom, they look at its consequences within mathematics, not outside. On the other hand, if we do not count pure mathematics a science, we thereby exclude mathematical proof by itself from the scientific method, and so discredit naturalism. For naturalism privileges the scientific method over all others, and mathematics is one of the most spectacular success stories in the history of human knowledge. Which other disciplines count as science? Logic? Linguistics? History? Literary theory? How should we decide? The dilemma for naturalists is this. If they are too inclusive in what they count as science, naturalism loses its bite. Naturalists typically criticize some traditional forms of philosophy as insufficiently scientific, because they ignore experimental tests. How can they maintain such objections unless they restrict scientific method to hypothetico-deductivism? But if they are too exclusive in what they count as science, naturalism loses its credibility, by imposing a method appropriate to natural science on areas where it is inappropriate. Unfortunately, rather than clarify the issue, many naturalists oscillate. When on the attack, they assume an exclusive understanding of science as hypothetico-deductive. When under attack themselves, they fall back on a more inclusive understanding of science that drastically waters down naturalism. Such maneuvering makes naturalism an obscure article of faith. I don’t call myself a naturalist because I don’t want to be implicated in equivocal dogma. Dismissing an idea as “inconsistent with naturalism” is little better than dismissing it as “inconsistent with Christianity.”
See what is being hinted at, and how loaded it is with ethical import -- including for educators who presumably traffic in knowledge? In that light look at prelim Q 0 above again.kairosfocus
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Hazel, hidden curriculum is an issue that affects every teacher in principle; though relatively few are equipped or have enough institutional influence to do big things about it. KFkairosfocus
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Not a thing here about the average teacher in the classroom, though. My guess is that most (virtually all?) classroom teachers, if asked to articulate there thoughts about the nature of math, are Platonists of some sort.hazel
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ET, I think that we are often unconscious of latent but fundamental and sometimes unwelcome issues. KFkairosfocus
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F/N: A bit of stimulation from the half-hidden web:
https://services.math.duke.edu/undergraduate/Handbook96_97/node5.html The Nature of Mathematics (These paragraphs are reprinted with permission from Everybody Counts: A Report to the Nation on the Future of Mathematics Education. ©1989 by the National Academy of Sciences. Courtesy of the National Academy Press, Washington, D.C.) Mathematics reveals hidden patterns that help us understand the world around us. Now much more than arithmetic and geometry, mathematics today is a diverse discipline that deals with data, measurements, and observations from science; with inference, deduction, and proof; and with mathematical models of natural phenomena, of human behavior, and of social systems. As a practical matter, mathematics is a science of pattern and order. Its domain is not molecules or cells, but numbers, chance, form, algorithms, and change. As a science of abstract objects, mathematics relies on logic rather than on observation as its standard of truth, yet employs observation, simulation, and even experimentation as means of discovering truth. The special role of mathematics in education is a consequence of its universal applicability [--> hint, hint!]. The results of mathematics--theorems and theories--are both significant and useful; the best results are also elegant and deep. Through its theorems, mathematics offers science both a foundation of truth and a standard of certainty. In addition to theorems and theories, mathematics offers distinctive modes of thought which are both versatile and powerful, including modeling, abstraction, optimization, logical analysis, inference from data, and use of symbols. Experience with mathematical modes of thought builds mathematical power--a capacity of mind of increasing value in this technological age that enables one to read critically, to identify fallacies, to detect bias, to assess risk, and to suggest alternatives. Mathematics empowers us to understand better the information-laden world in which we live. [--> bursting with implications] During the first half of the twentieth century, mathematical growth was stimulated primarily by the power of abstraction and deduction, climaxing more than two centuries of effort to extract full benefit from the mathematical principles of physical science formulated by Isaac Newton. Now, as the century closes, the historic alliances of mathematics with science are expanding rapidly; the highly developed legacy of classical mathematical theory is being put to broad and often stunning use in a vast mathematical landscape. Several particular events triggered periods of explosive growth. The Second World War forced development of many new and powerful methods of applied mathematics. Postwar government investment in mathematics, fueled by Sputnik, accelerated growth in both education and research. Then the development of electronic computing moved mathematics toward an algorithmic perspective even as it provided mathematicians with a powerful tool for exploring patterns and testing conjectures. At the end of the nineteenth century, the axiomatization of mathematics on a foundation of logic and sets made possible grand theories of algebra, analysis, and topology whose synthesis dominated mathematics research and teaching for the first two thirds of the twentieth century. [--> were such axiomatisations shaped by a body of antecedent facts which they had to conform to to be acceptable?] These traditional areas have now been supplemented by major developments in other mathematical sciences--in number theory, logic, statistics, operations research, probability, computation, geometry, and combinatorics. In each of these subdisciplines, applications parallel theory. Even the most esoteric and abstract parts of mathematics--number theory and logic, for example--are now used routinely in applications (for example, in computer science and cryptography). Fifty years ago, the leading British mathematician G.H. Hardy could boast that number theory was the most pure and least useful part of mathematics. Today, Hardy's mathematics is studied as an essential prerequisite to many applications, including control of automated systems, data transmission from remote satellites, protection of financial records, and efficient algorithms for computation. In 1960, at a time when theoretical physics was the central jewel in the crown of applied mathematics, Eugene Wigner wrote about the ``unreasonable effectiveness'' of mathematics in the natural sciences: ``The miracle of the appropriateness of the language of mathematics for the formulation of the laws of physics is a wonderful gift which we neither understand nor deserve.'' [--> a big hint on the motivation of logic of being analysis as relevant] Theoretical physics has continued to adopt (and occasionally invent) increasingly abstract mathematical models as the foundation for current theories. For example, Lie groups and gauge theories--exotic expressions of symmetry--are fundamental tools in the physicist's search for a unified theory of force. During this same period, however, striking applications of mathematics have emerged across the entire landscape of natural, behavioral, and social sciences . . .
To be "mined" in onward discussion. Take particular note on how the US NAS speaks of Mathematics as a "Science" even as it is forced to admit that it does not work in the way that Natural Sciences work, and as it is forced to admit the pivotal role of logic in Mathematics. Clues to the naturalism agendas (where it is known that US NAS has long been a principal advocate of naturalism and its imposition on education).kairosfocus
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PS: Later, SEP raises:
6.1 Natural Science as the Arbiter of Ontology On its first reading, ontological naturalism in the philosophy of mathematics is a straightforward consequence of methodological scientific naturalism. It states that the ontology of mathematics is the mathematical ontology of our best natural science. Scientific platonists claim, following Quine and Putnam, that this ontology is platonist [--> ironically!], as do mathematical-cum-scientific platonists (e.g., Burgess and Rosen (1997)). Resistance to scientific platonism and the associated indispensability argument has been mounted on several fronts (e.g., Field 1980, Sober 1993, Maddy 1997, ch. II.6, Paseau 2007). Consult Colyvan (2011) for a detailed discussion. 6.2 All Entities are Spatiotemporal The second reading of ontological naturalism, according to which all entities are spatiotemporal, amounts to a version of anti-platonism in the philosophy of mathematics. The position subdivides. On a reductionist view, mathematics is taken at logico-grammatical face value but its objects (numbers, functions, sets, etc.) are taken to be spatiotemporal. This view is advocated for sets in Armstrong (1991) and more generally in Bigelow (1988). Non-reductionist views are manifold. They include taking mathematics as meaningless symbol-manipulation (formalism), or as the exploration of what is true in all structures obeying the axioms (structuralism), or as the exploration of what is true in all possible structures obeying the axioms (modal-structuralism). Bueno (forthcoming) discusses various nominalisms, i.e., views which countenance only spatiotemporal entities. Since many of these nominalisms are compatible with non-naturalist as well as ontologically naturalist motivations, we do not discuss them here. We concentrate on a handful of issues relating mainly to reductionist versions of ontological realism. Reductionist ontological naturalism and non-modal structuralism about set theory face an immediate problem: there are apparently far fewer entities in spacetime than there are sets. Even on the most liberal assumptions (spacetime points and arbitrary regions thereof exist, some smallish infinity of entities may be collocated at any of these points or regions), the size of spacetime and the objects in it is a relatively low infinite cardinality (surely no more than [Beth_sub_omega]—even that is generous). Thus there are not enough spatiotemporal entities to interpret set theory literally nor to make a structural interpretation of set theory non-vacuously true, and hence to ensure that set-theoretic falsehoods come out false rather than true. See Paseau (2008) for discussion of this and other problems for set-theoretic reductionism.
Such issues point to huge hidden curriculum questions. Also, these issues point to the effectiveness of the summary naturalism ~ evolutionary materialistic scientism.kairosfocus
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hazel's inability to follow along makes it difficult to have a discussion...ET
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Hazel, I don't doubt that you do not perceive any impositions/hidden curriculum elements, or that most of your colleagues would be dubious of such a suggestion. However, this is part of the context of discussion in this Blog, including earlier interactions on Math topics as well as more immediately Mr Shallit's accusations against Mr Bartlett on the occasion of publishing a fresh approach Calculus textbook. That Accusation includes the dismissive remark that "Creationists" cannot do Math as they are irrational, with evidence that they doubt big-E Evolution, implying evolutionary materialistic scientism. Where, too, as a simple pedagogical issue, it is relevant that perhaps 85% or more of say the US population by such a framework, count as presumed irrational "Creationists". So, on the face of the matter, there is a question to be addressed regarding ideological imposition. Let's continue, by asking some framework questions i/l/o discussions in this Blog and elsewhere:
0: Is or is not evolutionary materialistic scientism (roughly, what "naturalism" is) the dominant ideological framework of the academy? _____ Like unto, is or is not this framework self-referentially incoherent, self-falsifying and so, necessarily false? ________ Similarly, does or does it not lend itself to radical relativism regarding both knowledge and morals, and so to corrosion of a sober approach to knowledge and to undermining of core moral principles [including duty to truth and right reason etc]? _________ 1: In that context, what is Mathematics? _____________ (Compare, here, the definition in the OP: [the study of] the logic of structure and quantity. I add: "study" is as specifically opposed to "science" in the common sense, natural sciences.) 2: In light of 1, what is a natural number? _______ Linked, what is a transfinite ordinal such as ω ? __________ Likewise, what is an infinitesimal, close to zero that is k = 1/K, where k is less than n = 1/N for any natural counting number? ______ 3: Similar, what is a real number such as e or π ? ___________________ [I add, the surreals framework cf. OP, is very helpful here. We get to non rational reals through convergent power series when we attain to ω steps/ terms.] 4: In this light, are there independent mathematical entities or quantities which are abstract but real, independent of the human cultural process of investigation we term Mathematics? _________ That is, are at least some core mathematical entities in sets from N to R discovered by us rather than invented in a culture-bound way? ___________ Extending, what about the "additional" entities that move to "from N* to R*"? ______ (This of course directly relates to your reaction to use of hyperreals.) 5: Are or are not some such entities necessary to the framework of any possible world? _____________ (That is, are there necessary albeit abstract beings and linked relationships of mathematical character, e.g. sufficient to give 2 + 3 = 5 necessarily in any possible world and linked results up to say the Euler identity in the full five-famous-numbers form that objectors in this Blog and elsewhere often deride as trivial rather than profound, powerful and beautiful? And, are such facts on the ground essentially true independent of and antecedent to the C19 - 20 grand axiomatisations? _______ So too, what is mathematical truth? _____ ) 6: Further to such, are at least some of the logic-model worlds constructed by us through axiomatised explorations of mathematics, constrained by the antecedent existence of a body of necessary albeit abstract quantitative entities, relationships and structures? _______ 7: Is or is not Mathematics in material part a study of a culture-independent objective albeit abstract reality? ______ Why or why not? _____ 8: Similarly, is or is not the core logic used in deriving Mathematical results a matter of our cultural construction, constituting what could be called a game we agree to play but could just as readily framed otherwise (and not in a substantially equivalent way)? _________ 9: In particular, if a certain Mathematical proposition H has been shown to lead to contradictory consequences x and ~x, has H therefore been demonstrated false so we may freely hold ~H as demonstrated as true? ________ 10: In that light, what is mathematical truth? _________ So too, given Godel's results, what does it mean that no coherent system of axioms for a complex study will be complete and coherent, where also no coherent system will entail all relevant true claims? _____
I believe these issues will help us clarify concerns in context. SEP on Naturalism in Mathematics, gives some further context:
Contemporary interest in naturalism stems from Quine, whose naturalism is prominent in his later works. A representative quotation is that naturalism is ‘the recognition that it is within science itself, and not in some prior philosophy, that reality is to be identified and described’ (Quine 1981, 21). Another major influence is Hilary Putnam, who articulates his scientific naturalism as follows: …it is silly to agree that a reason for believing that p warrants accepting p in all scientific circumstances, and then to add ‘but even so it is not good enough.’ Such a judgement could only be made if one accepted a trans-scientific method as superior to the scientific method; but this philosopher, at least, has no interest in doing that. (Putnam 1971, 356) Thus from this perspective mathematics is judged by scientific standards because everything is. Moreover, Quine and Putnam maintain that these standards sanction platonist mathematics because mathematics and its platonist construal are an indispensable part of our best scientific theories.
Thus, the dominance of naturalistic presuppositions and linked agendas is relevant. (Indeed, the presuppositions that lurk in the above will seep out unconsciously in all sorts of ways, starting with the terms we use, the tones in our voices and linked body language, the way a lesson, curriculum or textbook seems "right" and much more. Philosophically loaded, cultural agenda driven hidden curriculum is a real issue and it goes far beyond the politically correct questions on "gender" and curriculum, etc. Ponder the implications of the term transfinite as opposed to infinite and why I find the former typically more appropriate, as apparently Cantor did.) KFkairosfocus
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I don't think Hawking shows up in the general HS and college math classes.hazel
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I have no doubts that a dedicated materialist would find a way. Something about how Hawking was right, no doubt.ET
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And can you offer an example of how an imposition of naturalism will show up in a math class, ET?hazel
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