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Dr Raoult Roars — new articles on findings and issues about HCQ + Cocktails for Covid-19

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IHU- Méditerranée Infection, Marseille, is a significant French research institute that has continued its work on CV 19. For the record, here are excerpts from some recent work, headlined from threads where such would be buried:

EXH 1: >>COVID-IHU #15

Version 1 du 27 Mai 2020
Early diagnosis and management of COVID-19 patients: a real-life cohort study of 3,737 patients, Marseille, France

Abstract

Background:
In our institute in Marseille, France, we proposed early and massive screening for coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Hospitalization and early treatment with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (HCQ-AZ) was proposed for the positive cases.

Methods:
We retrospectively report the clinical management of 3,737 patients, including 3,054 (81.7%) treated with HCQ-AZ for at least three days and 683 (18.3%) patients treated with other methods (“others”). Outcomes were death, transfer to the intensive care unit (ICU), ? 10 days of hospitalization and viral shedding.

Results:
By testing 101,522 samples by polymerase chain reaction (PCR) from 65,993 individuals, we diagnosed 6,836 patients (10.4%), including 3,737 included in our cohort. The mean age was 45 (sd 17) years, 45% were male, and the fatality rate was 0.9%. We performed 2,065 low-dose computed tomography (CT) scans highlighting lung lesions in 581 of the 933 (62%) patients with minimal clinical symptoms (NEWS score = 0). A discrepancy between spontaneous dyspnoea, hypoxemia and lung lesions was observed. Clinical factors (age, comorbidities, NEWS-2 score), biological factors (lymphopenia; eosinopenia; decrease in blood zinc; and increase in D-dimers, lactate dehydrogenase (LDH), creatinine phosphokinase (CPK), and c-reactive protein (CRP)) and moderate and severe lesions detected in low-dose CT scans were associated with poor clinical outcome. Treatment with HCQ-AZ was associated with a decreased risk of transfer to the ICU or death (HR 0.19 0.12-0.29), decreased risk of hospitalization ?10 days (odds ratios 95% CI 0.37 0.26-0.51) and shorter duration of viral shedding (time to negative PCR: HR 1.27 1.16-1.39). QTc prolongation (>60 ms) was observed in 25 patients (0.67%) leading to the cessation of treatment in 3 cases. No cases of torsade de pointe or sudden death were observed.

Conclusion
Early diagnosis, early isolation and early treatment with at least 3 days of HCQ-AZ result in a significantly better clinical outcome and contagiosity in patients with COVID-19 than other treatments. Long-term follow-up to screen for fibrosis will be the next challenge in the management of COVID-19.>>

EXH 2: >>Adjusting series of patients for trial comparisons for COVID –
19 treatments

Author list :
3Audrey GIRAUD -GATINEAU1,2,3,4 (PhD student); Jean Christophe LAGIER 1,4,5 (MD); 4 Yolande OBADIA 1
(MD); Hervé CHAUDET 1,2,3 (MD); Didier RAOULT 1,5* (MD)

Abstract:

Background
: SARS – COV-2 has emerged and spread around the world since December 2019. Studies initiated in Marseille by our hospital centre have suggested significant clinical effectiveness of treatment by combining hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (HCQ+AZ). However, due to the
urgency of responding to the pandemic, they were not obtained through randomized controlled trials. Alternative assessment methods are therefore needed.

Methods:
We compared our data in silico with those published by two studies comparing 32 other antiviral drugs. For this purpose, random sampling was performed in our cohort to 33 obtain similar groups for disease severity, gender, age and comorbidities associated with 34 chronic diseases with patients included in the remdesivir and lopinavir-ritonavir trials.

Findings:
Dual HCQ+AZ therapy was associated with 3 times fewer deaths than
similar 37groups treated either with lopinavir-ritonavir(9% vs 20%, p-value = 0·03) or standard care 38 (8% vs 25·2%, p-value = 0·001). Compared with patients included in the remdesivir
study by 39 Wang et al., we also showed a significant difference in the clinical outcome (proportion of 40cured patients with negative viral load) in favour of HCQ+AZ (77.8% versus 58·2% p = 0·0001). 42 43

Interpretation:
Although comparison of HCQ+AZ with other antiviral drugs has limitations 44due to aggregated data, this study provides additional evidence showing that HCQ+AZ should 45 be the systematic treatment of choice after diagnosis of COVID -19 -positive cases. 46 47

Funding:
This work was supported by the French Government under the “Investments for theFuture” programme managed by the National Agency for Research (ANR), Méditerranée- Infection 10-
IAHU – 03 , and was also supported by Région Provence Alpes Côte d’Azur and European funding FEDER PRIMMI (Fonds Européen de Développement Régional -51 Plateformes de Recherche et d’Innovation Mutualisées Méditerranée Infection)>>

EXH 3: >>Assay
Randomised Controlled Trials during epidemic

Philippe Brouqui, Pierre Verger, Didier Raoult
Aix Marseille Université, IRD, MEPHI, VITROME,
ORS Paca, IHU-Méditerranée Infection, Marseille,
France

In epidemics there is an urgent need for new knowledge on drug efficacy to help policymakers fight the crisis. Yet the best research methodology to do this is a matter of de bate, write Philippe Brouqui, Pierre Verger and Didier Raoult .

The outbreak of an emerging infectious agent needs the rapid involvement of research to bring new knowledge. Past experience with Ebola virus outbreaks and, more recently SARS-CoV 2, have raised a question over the place of randomised controlled trials (RCTs) as the methodology of choice to
answer clinical questions in an novel epidemic situation. Drug safety and effectiveness is a long process which can take years. For antimicrobials, just 25% of drugs submitted to phase 1 succeed to Phase 3 and further licensing (1). This is why, in an epidemic, drug repurposing is often looked at, because drug toxicity has already been evaluated (2).

An RCT isdesigned to attempt to reduce bias, particularly in trials evaluating new drugs. The principle is to random assign volunteers into two or more treatment options and then compare them against a measured outcome. As RCTs reduce causality and spurious bias, they are considered to be the most reliable form of scientific evidence. For these reasons, they are required for market authorisation of a new pharmaceutical drug and cited by healthcare policies as a mandatory means for decision -making about treatments.

When gold standard becomes unethical

In emerging disease outbreaks, there is an urgent lack of treatments for the new pathogen. When a particular therapeutic option is supported by scientifically demonstrated efficacy in vitro and or in animal model, and supported further by clinical case reports and/or pilot series in humans, it is ethically difficult to argue that the data still needs to be confirmed in an RCT before it can be made available to patients. Especially if it seems “obvious” that control (untreated) subjects will have poorer outcomes than those receiving treatment. As one study mocked, there would be few volunteers for the placebo group in an RCT on the parachute’s effectiveness in avoiding death by jumping out of an airplane, unless the jump had an average height of 0.6 m (3).

When even imperfect scientific data show a particularly obvious effect, it is no longer ethical to perform an RCT since it forces patients to accept either not to be treated (in the control arm), or to be treated with a molecule known to be effective. Consider the advent of penicillin. It took five
patients before Sir Edward Abraham could definitively demonstrate that penicillin saved 100% of patients with staphylococcus or streptococcus infections. Nobody today would dare to test the efficacy of penicillin on pneumococcal pneumonia compared to placebo . . . >>

Food for thought, especially given the fiasco of the seemingly decisive Lancet paper which then had to be withdrawn. The remarks on the gold standard fallacies are particularly significant.

The underlying issue is that selective hyperskepticism is leading to ignoring of cumulatively adequate but somehow unwelcome findings, tracing to ethical weaknesses including the error of imagining skepticism an intellectual virtue and using it to substitute for prudence. We need to restore that due balance to our reasoning and decision-making.

A useful brief summary on prudence is:

Prudence is the virtue that disposes practical reason to discern our true good in every circumstance and to choose the right means of achieving it; “the prudent man looks where he is going.”65 “Keep sane and sober for your prayers.”66 Prudence is “right reason in action,” writes St. Thomas Aquinas, following Aristotle.67 It is not to be confused with timidity or fear, nor with duplicity or dissimulation. It is called auriga virtutum (the charioteer of the virtues); it guides the other virtues by setting rule and measure. It is prudence that immediately guides the judgment of conscience. The prudent man determines and directs his conduct in accordance with this judgment. With the help of this virtue we apply moral principles to particular cases without error and overcome doubts about the good to achieve and the evil to avoid.

Further food for thought, on seven indicative, inescapable first duties of responsible reason: to truth, to right reason, to prudence, to sound conscience, to neighbour, so to fairness and justice, etc. . END

Comments
People die. It's what we seem to do best. There is even a Darwin award for those who do it in the most absurd manner. It appears the covid-19 virus can be beaten by proper nutrition and OTC supplements. That may not help everyone but I would bet it would have saved over half of the people who have perished due to cvd-19.ET
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RP, no one suggests that CV19 deaths don't count. The issue is how we respond to scale and the context of global deaths and leading causes is material. As a result, there is a policy debate over whether a prolonged lockdown of the global economy was a right response, and whether such should still be indefinitely continued. Though the recent protests etc show that informally that has receded. KFkairosfocus
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“These deaths over here don’t matter because there are more deaths over here” is not the powerful argument some people imagine it to be. When 9/11 happened we didn’t shrug and say “well heart disease kills more people”.Retired Physicist
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BO'H: it is obvious you have not read even the clip of his "Assay" on precisely why he refused on ethical grounds to carry out an exercise with deliberately mislabelled sugar pills. You need to see it in the OP and respond to it. The reasons closely parallel things in the Kennedy School paper as has also been clipped many times and arguments raised here at UD. The gold standard fallacy is obviously deeply rooted in praxis but needs to be reassessed i/l/o ethical issues. KFkairosfocus
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RP, I gather there is no generally accepted vaccination for any Corona Virus, a warning sign given tendency to rapid mutation of RNA viruses. (The cell does its editing, proof reading etc on DNA). The cancer family is relevant as cancers do tend to be lumped together as a major family of closely related non-communicable diseases. The key point is, there are a bit under 60 mn deaths post uterus per annum, and the actual dominant killers are NCD's, with top killers in the 10 - 20+% range. If CV19 hits a million, it would be in the 2% range, though being highly communicable is significant. A shocker is, there are comparably nearly as many imposed deaths of our living posterity in the womb as there are deaths post-birth. KFkairosfocus
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EG, the flu with complications is an obvious yardstick. In "normal" years the Flu kills several dozen thousands in the US. The same issue of no broad spectrum antivirals and tendency to get complications with no reliable vaccination obtains (the Flu shot seems to be hit or miss). KFkairosfocus
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EG, Dr Raoult heads a research institute based in a 3500 bed four hospital cluster and is a leading infectious diseases researcher. He has the resources to do what he did as a researcher, including 500 CAT scans and other high tech tests.
Or, to look at it another way, he had the resources to do an RCT, but chose not to. The first abstract you link to has a sample size of over 3700, which is large enough for a phase III trial. It would be single centre, which is not ideal, but better than nothing.Bob O'H
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It's entirely possible that we don't need a vaccine for this virus. Did I read that recently there have been studies showing that vitamin D deficiency is common among those who have died from covid-19?ET
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It’s entirely possible that we will never be able to create a vaccine for this virus. Did i read in Technology Review a few years ago that not including the various influenzae, there were only like 23 common vaccines? By the way, comparing it to cancer is misleading because cancer is a catchall category that includes dozens or hundreds of different diseases. Kaposi’s sarcoma and Acute Myeloid Leukemia share similarities but are different diseases with different causes and effects. In very many places in the US if you died at home you weren’t tested for coronavirus because why waste the expensive test on someone who can’t be treated? Brazil just announced that they’re going to cover up all Covid cases.Retired Physicist
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Which means that you don’t have the luxury to do a full work up to see if the person is at a high risk.
Nonsense. There are over a million doctors, nurse practitioners and physician assistants in the US. They could very easily see everyone in the US at an early stage of C19. If necessary they could treat every individual in the US but most would not need it. This would be immensely more efficient than waiting for them to enter the hospital. This would save millions of lives and zillions of dollars. What's preventing this is mostly politics. On top of this there are nearly 4 million nurses who would be helping.jerry
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What would the flu look like if we didn't have vaccinations for it? Again, Acartia Eddie proves he doesn't understand comparisons.ET
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EG, that is precisely the problem, cherry-picking and politicisation. KF
Nonsense. One of the major arguments against the COVID restrictions has been comparing it to the flu. The linked visual clearly shows that this is not just another flu.Ed George
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EG, that is precisely the problem, cherry-picking and politicisation. KF PS: 5/12 of 18 mn cancer deaths for Jan - May 2020 would be 7.5 million, so the top two killers are at 15 million, compared to 350 k. The latter is bad and could have been worse, but it is not utterly dominant of deaths, a misleading impression of the animation. Indeed, the CV19 deaths are larger than but comparable to a bad Flu year. We do not go into a global 2 - 3 month economy lock down because of Flu. Instead, we target vulnerable groups. We will need to reckon with potential deaths contingent on economic dislocation.kairosfocus
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A more accurate representation of deaths https://www.worldometers.info/ For instance, Abortions (so far) worldwide this year: 18. 955, 297 https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/ Abortion was the leading cause of death worldwide in 2019, according to figures released from Worldometers.info, a website that uses reporting from the world’s governments to track demographics and vital statistics. LifeNews.com, a pro-life website, was among the few outlets to report on the 2019 abortion numbers, which show 42.3 million preborn babies killed worldwide. Worldometers recorded 58.6 million deaths last year from violence, illness and natural causes. Abortion statistics are recorded separately from mortality numbers.,,, “The abortion number is incomprehensible, but each of those 42 million abortions represents a living human being whose life was violently destroyed in their mother’s womb,” wrote Steven Ertelt and Micaiah Bilger for LifeNews. “Each unborn baby already had their own unique DNA, making them distinct from their mother.” Abortion rates compiled by the federal Centers for Disease Control, state governments and organizations such as Planned Parenthood show around 1 million abortions annually in the United States, with Planned Parenthood accounting for more than 345,000 of them in the 2019 reporting year. https://decisionmagazine.com/abortion-leading-cause-death-worldwide-2019/ Cardiovascular diseases (CVDs),,, takes an estimated 17.9 million lives each year Total # cancer deaths. (2018). 18,078,957 etc.. etc...
Of related interest,
If the trend for other countries holds for the USA, then we should start seeing a precipitous drop off very shortly for Covid deaths. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/confirmed-covid-19-deaths-total-vs-daily
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EG & RP, really big killers are not in that, eg cancer, heart, diabetes. (See here.) The “selective” is too selective. KF
No, it put COVID deaths in perspective amongst other causes of death that are in the same range. What I found interesting was how rapidly it surpassed deaths caused by the flu., the disease that COVID is most often compared to.Ed George
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There are millions upon millions of unhealthy people on the planet. I am surprised the number of dead for covid-19 is so small.ET
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EG, prezactly, that is part of why Dr Raoult's work is so important. We must not forget the French were in the forefront on HIV too. It is also of the nature of flu-like infectious diseases that we have an iceberg effect, the visible cases -- biased to those that go to a doctor or end up in hospital, are a small fraction of actual infections, which points to sampling to track antibodies so we can profile the structure of the 'berg by stratifying and adjusting weights to population. KF PS: Notice, again a point noted long since. Clinical differential diagnosis counts. Lab tests dependent on scare materials and equipment, PCR machines etc, are secondary. Hence the Zelenko protocol. Age and vulnerability linked preconditions are to be targetted for intervention within 5 days of symptoms, hence the value of a low cost easily produced cocktail of drugs. The point being, to prevent hospitalisation, itself a sign of severity and increased likelihood of death. Note here Raoult's result that serious lung damage can be there before symptoms are strong. Likewise his, loss of smell and taste sign.kairosfocus
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EG & RP, really big killers are not in that, eg cancer, heart, diabetes. (See here.) The "selective" is too selective. KF PS: WHO:
The top 10 causes of death 24 May 2018 Of the 56.9 million deaths worldwide in 2016, more than half (54%) were due to the top 10 causes. Ischaemic heart disease and stroke are the world’s biggest killers, accounting for a combined 15.2 million deaths in 2016. These diseases have remained the leading causes of death globally in the last 15 years. Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease claimed 3.0 million lives in 2016, while lung cancer (along with trachea and bronchus cancers) caused 1.7 million deaths. Diabetes killed 1.6 million people in 2016, up from less than 1 million in 2000. Deaths due to dementias more than doubled between 2000 and 2016, making it the 5th leading cause of global deaths in 2016 compared to 14th in 2000. Lower respiratory infections remained the most deadly communicable disease, causing 3.0 million deaths worldwide in 2016. The death rate from diarrhoeal diseases decreased by almost 1 million between 2000 and 2016, but still caused 1.4 million deaths in 2016. Similarly, the number of tuberculosis deaths decreased during the same period, but is still among the top 10 causes with a death toll of 1.3 million. HIV/AIDS is no longer among the world’s top 10 causes of death, having killed 1.0 million people in 2016 compared with 1.5 million in 2000. Road injuries killed 1.4 million people in 2016, about three-quarters (74%) of whom were men and boys.
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@5 Holy Hell.Retired Physicist
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Very interesting visual representation https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2637725/?fbclid=IwAR02qv8TMZw5HwyQcY4xb8MBvwg9sLBpZV3X6fLBE199vNzx2mDnjkEBI7EEd George
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EG, Dr Raoult heads a research institute based in a 3500 bed four hospital cluster and is a leading infectious diseases researcher. He has the resources to do what he did as a researcher...
Resources that are not available to most jurisdictions. The US has had more that 2 million confirmed cases, and probably many more that have not been tested. They have less than one million hospital beds, most filled on a routine basis for other reasons. For this treatment to be effective, if in fact it is, it must be given very early in the infection. Which means that you don’t have the luxury to do a full work up to see if the person is at a high risk.Ed George
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EG, Dr Raoult heads a research institute based in a 3500 bed four hospital cluster and is a leading infectious diseases researcher. He has the resources to do what he did as a researcher, including 500 CAT scans and other high tech tests. His results, however ground the point that early intervention can avert hospitalisation. KFkairosfocus
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Hospitalization and early treatment with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (HCQ-AZ) was proposed for the positive cases.
From the beginning I have stated that I had no problem with administering HCQ under an in-patient basis because of the potential side-effects. But there are two problems with this as a routine practice: 1) We do not have the testing capacity to identify those in the early stages of infection. 2) We do not have the hospital capacity to provide beds for everyone who tests positive.Ed George
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Dr Raoult Roars — new articles on findings and issues about HCQ + Cocktails for Covid-19kairosfocus
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