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Dr Raoult Roars — new articles on findings and issues about HCQ + Cocktails for Covid-19

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IHU- Méditerranée Infection, Marseille, is a significant French research institute that has continued its work on CV 19. For the record, here are excerpts from some recent work, headlined from threads where such would be buried:

EXH 1: >>COVID-IHU #15

Version 1 du 27 Mai 2020
Early diagnosis and management of COVID-19 patients: a real-life cohort study of 3,737 patients, Marseille, France

Abstract

Background:
In our institute in Marseille, France, we proposed early and massive screening for coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Hospitalization and early treatment with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (HCQ-AZ) was proposed for the positive cases.

Methods:
We retrospectively report the clinical management of 3,737 patients, including 3,054 (81.7%) treated with HCQ-AZ for at least three days and 683 (18.3%) patients treated with other methods (“others”). Outcomes were death, transfer to the intensive care unit (ICU), ? 10 days of hospitalization and viral shedding.

Results:
By testing 101,522 samples by polymerase chain reaction (PCR) from 65,993 individuals, we diagnosed 6,836 patients (10.4%), including 3,737 included in our cohort. The mean age was 45 (sd 17) years, 45% were male, and the fatality rate was 0.9%. We performed 2,065 low-dose computed tomography (CT) scans highlighting lung lesions in 581 of the 933 (62%) patients with minimal clinical symptoms (NEWS score = 0). A discrepancy between spontaneous dyspnoea, hypoxemia and lung lesions was observed. Clinical factors (age, comorbidities, NEWS-2 score), biological factors (lymphopenia; eosinopenia; decrease in blood zinc; and increase in D-dimers, lactate dehydrogenase (LDH), creatinine phosphokinase (CPK), and c-reactive protein (CRP)) and moderate and severe lesions detected in low-dose CT scans were associated with poor clinical outcome. Treatment with HCQ-AZ was associated with a decreased risk of transfer to the ICU or death (HR 0.19 0.12-0.29), decreased risk of hospitalization ?10 days (odds ratios 95% CI 0.37 0.26-0.51) and shorter duration of viral shedding (time to negative PCR: HR 1.27 1.16-1.39). QTc prolongation (>60 ms) was observed in 25 patients (0.67%) leading to the cessation of treatment in 3 cases. No cases of torsade de pointe or sudden death were observed.

Conclusion
Early diagnosis, early isolation and early treatment with at least 3 days of HCQ-AZ result in a significantly better clinical outcome and contagiosity in patients with COVID-19 than other treatments. Long-term follow-up to screen for fibrosis will be the next challenge in the management of COVID-19.>>

EXH 2: >>Adjusting series of patients for trial comparisons for COVID –
19 treatments

Author list :
3Audrey GIRAUD -GATINEAU1,2,3,4 (PhD student); Jean Christophe LAGIER 1,4,5 (MD); 4 Yolande OBADIA 1
(MD); Hervé CHAUDET 1,2,3 (MD); Didier RAOULT 1,5* (MD)

Abstract:

Background
: SARS – COV-2 has emerged and spread around the world since December 2019. Studies initiated in Marseille by our hospital centre have suggested significant clinical effectiveness of treatment by combining hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (HCQ+AZ). However, due to the
urgency of responding to the pandemic, they were not obtained through randomized controlled trials. Alternative assessment methods are therefore needed.

Methods:
We compared our data in silico with those published by two studies comparing 32 other antiviral drugs. For this purpose, random sampling was performed in our cohort to 33 obtain similar groups for disease severity, gender, age and comorbidities associated with 34 chronic diseases with patients included in the remdesivir and lopinavir-ritonavir trials.

Findings:
Dual HCQ+AZ therapy was associated with 3 times fewer deaths than
similar 37groups treated either with lopinavir-ritonavir(9% vs 20%, p-value = 0·03) or standard care 38 (8% vs 25·2%, p-value = 0·001). Compared with patients included in the remdesivir
study by 39 Wang et al., we also showed a significant difference in the clinical outcome (proportion of 40cured patients with negative viral load) in favour of HCQ+AZ (77.8% versus 58·2% p = 0·0001). 42 43

Interpretation:
Although comparison of HCQ+AZ with other antiviral drugs has limitations 44due to aggregated data, this study provides additional evidence showing that HCQ+AZ should 45 be the systematic treatment of choice after diagnosis of COVID -19 -positive cases. 46 47

Funding:
This work was supported by the French Government under the “Investments for theFuture” programme managed by the National Agency for Research (ANR), Méditerranée- Infection 10-
IAHU – 03 , and was also supported by Région Provence Alpes Côte d’Azur and European funding FEDER PRIMMI (Fonds Européen de Développement Régional -51 Plateformes de Recherche et d’Innovation Mutualisées Méditerranée Infection)>>

EXH 3: >>Assay
Randomised Controlled Trials during epidemic

Philippe Brouqui, Pierre Verger, Didier Raoult
Aix Marseille Université, IRD, MEPHI, VITROME,
ORS Paca, IHU-Méditerranée Infection, Marseille,
France

In epidemics there is an urgent need for new knowledge on drug efficacy to help policymakers fight the crisis. Yet the best research methodology to do this is a matter of de bate, write Philippe Brouqui, Pierre Verger and Didier Raoult .

The outbreak of an emerging infectious agent needs the rapid involvement of research to bring new knowledge. Past experience with Ebola virus outbreaks and, more recently SARS-CoV 2, have raised a question over the place of randomised controlled trials (RCTs) as the methodology of choice to
answer clinical questions in an novel epidemic situation. Drug safety and effectiveness is a long process which can take years. For antimicrobials, just 25% of drugs submitted to phase 1 succeed to Phase 3 and further licensing (1). This is why, in an epidemic, drug repurposing is often looked at, because drug toxicity has already been evaluated (2).

An RCT isdesigned to attempt to reduce bias, particularly in trials evaluating new drugs. The principle is to random assign volunteers into two or more treatment options and then compare them against a measured outcome. As RCTs reduce causality and spurious bias, they are considered to be the most reliable form of scientific evidence. For these reasons, they are required for market authorisation of a new pharmaceutical drug and cited by healthcare policies as a mandatory means for decision -making about treatments.

When gold standard becomes unethical

In emerging disease outbreaks, there is an urgent lack of treatments for the new pathogen. When a particular therapeutic option is supported by scientifically demonstrated efficacy in vitro and or in animal model, and supported further by clinical case reports and/or pilot series in humans, it is ethically difficult to argue that the data still needs to be confirmed in an RCT before it can be made available to patients. Especially if it seems “obvious” that control (untreated) subjects will have poorer outcomes than those receiving treatment. As one study mocked, there would be few volunteers for the placebo group in an RCT on the parachute’s effectiveness in avoiding death by jumping out of an airplane, unless the jump had an average height of 0.6 m (3).

When even imperfect scientific data show a particularly obvious effect, it is no longer ethical to perform an RCT since it forces patients to accept either not to be treated (in the control arm), or to be treated with a molecule known to be effective. Consider the advent of penicillin. It took five
patients before Sir Edward Abraham could definitively demonstrate that penicillin saved 100% of patients with staphylococcus or streptococcus infections. Nobody today would dare to test the efficacy of penicillin on pneumococcal pneumonia compared to placebo . . . >>

Food for thought, especially given the fiasco of the seemingly decisive Lancet paper which then had to be withdrawn. The remarks on the gold standard fallacies are particularly significant.

The underlying issue is that selective hyperskepticism is leading to ignoring of cumulatively adequate but somehow unwelcome findings, tracing to ethical weaknesses including the error of imagining skepticism an intellectual virtue and using it to substitute for prudence. We need to restore that due balance to our reasoning and decision-making.

A useful brief summary on prudence is:

Prudence is the virtue that disposes practical reason to discern our true good in every circumstance and to choose the right means of achieving it; “the prudent man looks where he is going.”65 “Keep sane and sober for your prayers.”66 Prudence is “right reason in action,” writes St. Thomas Aquinas, following Aristotle.67 It is not to be confused with timidity or fear, nor with duplicity or dissimulation. It is called auriga virtutum (the charioteer of the virtues); it guides the other virtues by setting rule and measure. It is prudence that immediately guides the judgment of conscience. The prudent man determines and directs his conduct in accordance with this judgment. With the help of this virtue we apply moral principles to particular cases without error and overcome doubts about the good to achieve and the evil to avoid.

Further food for thought, on seven indicative, inescapable first duties of responsible reason: to truth, to right reason, to prudence, to sound conscience, to neighbour, so to fairness and justice, etc. . END

Comments
SNIP — pretending to be civil after crossing the Rubicon does not work. For cause, you have been asked to leave this thread. Further, pretending ignorance fails, the thread above is on record as to refusal to be reined in on off topic personal attacks. So too, is the timing of your distractive stunt. KFEd George
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SNIP — pretending to be civil after crossing the Rubicon does not work. For cause, you have been asked to leave this thread. KFEd George
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I've wondered about this too---it seems many of the experts are quite optimistic about a vaccine despite there never being a successful coronavirus vaccine for humans. Not even SARS 1 or MERS. There are coronavirus vaccines for livestock, however. Edit: I gather the trials so far have been promising, in any case.daveS
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SNIP -- pretending to be civil after crossing the Rubicon does not work. For cause, you have been asked to leave this thread. KFEd George
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So far one vitamin and mineral supplier has responded to me. They said thank you and are sending the information on to their product development team. How cool would that be to have a proven effective prophylaxis developed based on a regimen of OTC supplements? And yes, of course you will still have to wash your hands. Face masks may be optional, though. *Smoking and consumption of alcohol is still unhealthyET
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Odd that no one can reproduce the miraculous results of Raoult and the rest, isn’t it?
Zelenko has better results. And. there are others. And there is $200,000 to show it is not effective. Amazing that RHampton has read some comments.jerry
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>> Although HCQ, with or without Azithromycin and other supplements like zinc, will not help anyone who has tested positive, it definitely has an impact in preventive measures and reducing the complications. Odd that no one can reproduce the miraculous results of Raoult and the rest, isn’t it?rhampton7
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It seems CV19 is an RNA virus, implying likely rapid mutation; controls in our cells target DNA not RNA so I gather RNA virus replication has a large number of errors, IIRC, I have seen 10% viability of resulting virus particles from hijacking a cell. . That is like many common cold virus strains, and I think it is heading to become another common cold family. I gather there are no successful vaccines for corona viruses. I am not so sure herd immunity vs strain x will be significant for far enough mutated strain y. It would be good for someone to track down something on this set of Q's. KFkairosfocus
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But this headline suggests otherwise Covid-19 immunity could be twice as high as believed, Swedish study finds Findings by Karolinska Institutet suggest infection hotspots such as London could be further towards herd immunity than thoughtET
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Actually, there is evidence to the contrary. You can catch covid-19 again. Any immunity is short-lived. 3 months? But of course it is an ongoing thingET
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Jerry, Thanks. India of course has local peculiarities with English. A "lakh" is 10^5 and a "crore" is 10^7, reflecting how Indians count. They are the largest English Speaking population in the world, though most speak as a second or third or worse language. I think the US is the biggest pop of mother tongue speakers. So, now let us clip: https://outline.com/srqJA9 >>Even as global studies on Covid-19 treatment are yet to arrive on a consensus on the benefits of administration of Hydroxychloro-quine (HCQ) to contain the transmission of coronavirus, the Vadodara administration has begun analysing the effects of the drug in containing the cases in the city. The Vadodara health department has prepared a report analysing its drive of administering HCQ since April, taking a sample of over one lakh residents [ 100k+] who took a course of the anti-malarial drug as prophylactic. [--> that is a huge patient base] Until Wednesday, the Vadodara Municipal Corporation (VMC) has administered the drug to 3.42 lakh persons [342,000], including health workers and other frontline staff. [ GT 1/3 million! Comparable to Guadeloupe or Barbados] Each of these persons has or will have completed the entire course of the drug — 400mg twice a day for the first dose and 400 mg per week for a minimum of three weeks. [--> that seems a low daily rate after a high surge] Of this, the administration has analysed a sample of over 1 lakh residents, who were mostly close contacts of positive persons and the effect of HCQ in containing the transmission of the virus. According to the analysis, of the 48,873 close contacts of positive patients who took one dose of HCQ, 102 turned Covid-19 positive and 12 succumbed to the infection [--> low transmission rate but high case fatality rate, suggesting older persons] whereas 48 of the 17,776 close contacts of positive patients who took two doses of HCQ turned positive and only one died. [--> is this a 2-day surge?] The study also states that of the 33,563 close contacts of patients who took three HCQ doses, 43 tested positive and one died. [--> is that a 3-day surge?] Authorities say that the analysis is ongoing as is the drive, in accordance with the ICMR recommendation for prophylactic use of HCQ. VMC Health Officer Dr Devesh Patel says, “The debate around HCQ is founded in the side effects of long term use of the drug for treatment of rheumatoid arthritis and other illnesses… So far, HCQ has not been used as a prophylactic… To us, it has shown positive results. We have the numbers and not one person has complained of complications. The only side effect reported is mild gastritis, which is common with administering heavy medicines and can be effectively handled.” Patel said the drug was administered to close contacts of positive patients in the cluster neighbourhoods of Nagarwada-Saiyedpura area of the old city, which was the city’s first red zone, with a population of around 5,000 persons, in the first week of April. The administration began its analysis in the first week of June. The drug was also prescribed and promoted by the Baroda Muslim Doctor’s Association (BMDA), which has been a core partner of the administration to provide Covid-19 care and screening in minority-dominated areas. Dr Mohammad Hussain, president of BMDA, who also runs Faith Hospital in Panigate area of the city, has been continuously promoting the use of HCQ among the community even now. Dr Hussain told this newspaper, “There are conflicting studies about the use of HCQ. While initially the US studies rejected it and cited side-effects, European countries backed its prophylactic use. In Vadodara, it has shown positive results. We have been able to restrict cases in clusters. Nagarwada no longer has a huge number of cases. We haven’t seen any one developing side effects.” Hussain said that the BMDA took lead in promoting HCQ in the initial red zone areas that were mostly in minority-dominated areas. “There was a lot of resistance to the drive. When the administration approached us, we prescribed HCQ and also created awareness about the need to consent to the course. The result has been fruitful. Even in my hospital, I have ensured that all doctors and employees take HCQ as they are in the frontline. Thankfully, none has contracted the virus yet,” Hussain said. A senior doctor from Gujarat Medical Education Research Society (GMERS)-run Gotri Medical College, the biggest Covid1-9 facility in the city that also caters to neighbouring districts, says, “Our residents and doctors are on rotational duty for seven days at a time. Almost all of them have completed at least two rounds… We haven’t seen our healthcare staff falling to the virus yet, barring a couple of cases where the source of infection could not be traced. Although HCQ, with or without Azithromycin and other supplements like zinc, will not help anyone who has tested positive, it definitely has an impact in preventive measures and reducing the complications.” [--> that contains an odd remark] Officer on Special Duty Vinod Rao said that the administration had apprised the state government about its findings from the analysis so far. “The task force of medical experts, including physicians and super specialists, have recommend and backed the drive to administer HCQ in cluster areas and high exposure cases. We have discussed the analysis and the results with the government. The benefits seem to far outweigh the debate around its risks and it has certainly helped in implementing the preventive strategies planned for the city,” Rao said.>> India is of course the no 2 population country in the world and these runs are comparable in numbers to anything else out there. KFkairosfocus
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Apologies. I found the best way to their counter nonsense is with moar nonsense. Clearly the USA wouldn't annex every country in the Western hemisphere. ;) :DET
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YOU ARE ASKED TO LEAVE, FOR CAUSE Jerry
Is Florida on its way to herd immunity?
It is still not certain if being infected gives you future immunity. Hopefully this is the case but I wouldn’t bet the house on it.Ed George
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Is Florida on its way to herd immunity?jerry
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Jerry, tempted as I am, UD is such a focus for polarised and bad faith commentary that such a thread would be predictably self defeating especially in the midst of a 4th Gen Civil War. Notice, people have been targetted for deplatforming because of comments. KFkairosfocus
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Interesting chart. https://twitter.com/obsoletedogma/status/1278710192608247813?s=21Ed George
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Kf, I suggested in the past to have going an all purpose thread for non relevant comments that is periodically replaced. I assume you have the ability in WordPress to remove a comment and post it in a different thread. That way people can rant all they want and not interfere with the topic or actually discuss a different topic of their choice. My observation is that nearly every thread is hijacked or there is an attempt to. There could be some exceptions as people ask for clarification on something or advice that is somewhat related to the topic. May not work but worth a shot.jerry
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Kf, India site. No popups. https://outline.com/srqJA9 Hurrah for RHampton. He found the positive Henry Ford study. What will WHO say and all those publications panning HCQ. Still for hospitalized patients instead of earlier.jerry
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The Israel Police announced on Thursday that they will carry out a nationwide operation over the weekend to enforce coronavirus regulations to curb the recent rise in virus cases, as the government is set to discuss limiting the number of people allowed in venues and at events. The main focus of the police will be to enforce limitations on the number of patrons at venues, and the wearing of masks, the police said, adding that they will center their efforts on venues holding weddings and private social events and on areas desginated "restricted," Lod and Ashdod. The focus will be one venue owners, rather than patrons, the police said. "The intention is not to give fines in the middle of the dance floor," a senior police official said. However, police intend to take a "heavy hand" on enformecement in the coming days. "In the restricted areas, we will work with the utmost severity and intensity," says the chief of the police operations Department, Commander Yishai Shalem. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-police-to-carry-out-weekend-coronavirus-enforcement-operation-as-cases-rise-1.8965839rhampton7
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This is an odd turn of events: Tourists from the United States will not be welcome in Sonora over the Fourth of July holiday weekend. The Mexico-United States border is closed to nonessential travel until July 21 but Governor Claudia Pavlovich Arellano nevertheless affirmed that people seeking to enter Sonora from Arizona – where coronavirus cases have spiked recently – for nonessential purposes will not be allowed in this weekend. She said Wednesday she had advised the foreign affairs minister of the plan to block the entry of nonessential travelers from the United States and he expressed his support for the plan. Pavlovich said that U.S. visitors will not only be unwelcome on Sonora’s beaches this weekend but also in border cities such as San Luis Río Colorado, Nogales and Agua Prieta and municipalities of the Sonoran Sierra Madre Occidental. https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/sonora-tightens-us-border-crossings-as-arizona-virus-cases-spike/rhampton7
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Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves said Wednesday the state is pausing its efforts to reopen the economy after a recent surge in new reported coronavirus cases. “Things are getting worse, not better,” Reeves said at a news briefing. Like other states across the South, Mississippi has lead the nation in its efforts to reopen the economy. Many restaurants have been open for dine-in for more than a month at limited capacity. Most state agencies are open. Movie theaters and entertainment venues are open. The governor had initially planned to completely reopen the state by July 1. But on that date, he said a goal that is no longer feasible. “It’s not that our current rules are too loose,” Reeves said. “Our challenge is that our people aren’t following even the simplest of rules. Additional orders are useless if people will not follow what we have in place now.” https://www.magnoliastatelive.com/2020/07/02/mississippi-governor-on-virus-things-are-getting-worse-not-better/rhampton7
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Jerry, as soon as I went to Indian Express, annoying popups and greyouts appeared. KFkairosfocus
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JVL, I thought better of you than that. I will note that on your NATO point, the fundamental issue was allies not stepping up to the plate on commitments regarding defence spending. Which has improved since. There is a well known issue in economics on provisions of services with significant externalities. In negotiations, sometimes putting BATNA on the table is what's left to get a reasonable response. As those who wish for abolition of policing may learn the hard way. At this point, WHO has so disgraced itself that a US walkaway may be a reasonable response. In the past IIRC both the US and the UK walked away from UNESCO. The UN human rights commission has been turned into almost the opposite of its intent, being captured by some of the worst violators. And perhaps you are unaware of the long term breakdown of the UN's credibility such that in the US there is a significant view that the US should leave it. I wonder if some lessons have been learned from BREXIT. Beyond that, I note this thread has a specific focus on treatments regarding CV19 and results thereof, especially the needlessly controversial case of HCQ cocktails. I hope Ivermectin does not get embroiled in the same. KFkairosfocus
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A Henry Ford Health System study shows the controversial anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine helps lower the death rate of COVID-19 patients, the Detroit-based health system said Thursday. The study analyzed 2,541 patients hospitalized among the system’s six hospitals between March 10 and May 2 and found 13% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine died while 26% of those who did not receive the drug died. Patients with a median age of 64 were among those analyzed, with 51% men and 56% African American. Roughly 82% of the patients began receiving hydroxychloroquine within 24 hours and 91% within 48 hours, a factor Dr. Marcus Zervos identified as a potential key to the medication’s success. “We attribute our findings that differ from other studies to early treatment, and part of a combination of interventions that were done in supportive care of patients, including careful cardiac monitoring," said Zervos, division head of infectious disease for the health system. Zervos conducted the study with epidemiologist Dr. Samia Arshad. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/07/02/michigan-henry-ford-health-study-finds-hydroxychloroquine-lowers-covid-19-death-rate/5365090002/rhampton7
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Jerry, I expand the clip from Brazil: https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1277369939394002944 >>Extraordinary evidence from the large Brazilian Unimed hospital system: since their hospital in Belém (1.5m people) has switched to early hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin +ivermectin treatment, hospital admissions have totally collapsed despite the tsunami of new cases in Brazil!>> The chart shows a surge that then sharply trails off. KFkairosfocus
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ET, please leave off barbed political commentary, it has utterly nothing to do with the issues from OP on, and serves only as a distractor. KFkairosfocus
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EG, last warning was given. Please leave this thread. KFkairosfocus
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F/N: On twisting the points in ecgs: https://www.healthline.com/health/torsades-de-pointes >>Torsades de pointes (French for “twisting of the points”) is one of several types of life-threatening heart rhythm disturbances. In the case of torsades de pointes (TdP), the heart’s two lower chambers, called the ventricles, beat faster than and out of sync with the upper chambers, called the atria. An abnormal heart rhythm is called an arrhythmia. When the heart beats much faster than normal, the condition is called tachycardia. TdP is an unusual type of tachycardia that sometimes resolves on its own, but can also worsen into a serious heart condition called ventricular fibrillation. Ventricular fibrillation can lead to cardiac arrest, an event in which the heart suddenly stops. Cardiac arrest is usually fatal.>> KFkairosfocus
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(as I eye my fireworks waiting for Saturday)ET
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And hopefully Americans are being smarter and will stop buying things made in China.ET
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