It even involves Robert J. Marks, but mainly as a figure:
Unlike logic and physics, illusion theory has no rules. It has no rules by which to predict future illusions. Therefore, illusion theory cannot predict a mirror would reflect your image. It also cannot predict the infinite mirror effect seen in the picture of the lady. If you see the infinite mirror effect, it is your personal illusion only.
Illusion theory has no rule about how physical light reflects off physical mirrors. That means there is no reason why the series of repeated reflections would shrink and degrade as they do into the distance.
Illusion theory does not predict that you will see your hand movement reflected once, more than once, or identically repeated through the sequence of “infinite” reflections.Illusion theory has no rule of reproducibility. Yet, if you set up the infinity mirror experiment at another time, you will see the same effect.
Richard W. Stevens, “Why the idea that the human mind is an illusion doesn’t work” at Mind Matters News
Illusion theory has no rule about how other observers perceive their illusions. In the picture of the couple, the handsome gentleman is viewing the lady’s reflections. Under illusion theory, there is no reason why he would see the same reflections as she does. Yet he does see them.
Check it out.
See also: Has neuroscience disproved thinking?
Illusion of what?
(Illusions always have a corresponding referent.)
as to:
That pretty much hits the nail right on the head. As David Bentley Hart succinctly put the irresolvable dilemma for Darwinian materialists, “Simply enough, you cannot suffer the illusion that you are conscious because illusions are possible only for conscious minds. This is so incandescently obvious that it is almost embarrassing to have to state it.”
As WJM noted, “In any philosophy of reality that is not ultimately self-defeating or internally contradictory, mind – unlabeled as anything else, matter or spiritual – must be primary.”
But hey, you don’t have to take WJM’s word for it. Planck, Schroedinger, and Wigner are all also on record pointing out the blatantly obvious fact that consciousness must be primary in any definition of reality that we put forth,
Besides the blatantly obvious fact that consciousness must be primary in any definition of reality that we put forth, and as Wigner mentioned, as far as empirical evidence itself in concerned, “materialism “is incompatible with quantum theory.”
In fact, we have several more lines of empirical evidence from quantum mechanics available to us today, demonstrating this fact, than Wigner had available to him when he first made that statement,
Here are eight intersecting lines of experimental evidence from quantum mechanics that shows that consciousness must precede material reality (Double Slit experiment, Wigner’s Quantum Symmetries, as well as the recent confirmation of the Wigner’s friend thought experiment, Wheeler’s Delayed Choice, Leggett’s Inequalities, Quantum Zeno effect, Quantum Information theory, and the recent closing of the Free Will loophole.)
Putting all these lines of evidence from quantum mechanics together, the argument for God from consciousness can now be framed like this:
Here are a couple of my favorite experiments that demonstrate this point,
Via realization of the Wheeler’s Delayed Choice experiment with atoms, we find this result, “It proves that measurement is everything. At the quantum level, reality does not exist if you are not looking at it,”
And via violation of Leggett’s inequality, we find this result, “Leggett’s inequality is violated – thus stressing the quantum-mechanical assertion that reality does not exist when we’re not observing it.”
The quantum Zeno effect, (and quantum information theory), also, unambiguously, demonstrates that consciousness must precede material reality:
So basically, Atheistic materialists not only must deny the common sense fact that consciousness must be primary in any definition of reality that we put forth, but Atheistic materialists must also deny many lines of empirical evidence from quantum mechanics clearly demonstrating the fact that the Mind of God must precede material reality.
In short, Atheistic materialists, with their stubborn refusal to ever accept the fact that the Mind of God must precede material reality, are the ones who are the true ‘science deniers’.
Supplemental notes:
Verse:
If our minds are an illusion, then the person informing us of this is also an illusion, and therefore we should ignore him.
There are certain fundamentals in philosophy without which no philosophy can be anything but idle chatter. Among these fundamentals is the reality of the world of our experience.
“Surviving Death” on Netflix attacks materialism and its simplistic attempt at explaining the mind and consciousness. So people are aware of the false nature of materialism.
A large portion of spiritual and religious views are basically versions of materialism. Adding a non-material domain to one’s perspective still carries along a large amount of materialism infused in the perspective. I’m probably the only actual “non-materialist” here.
WJM: I’m probably the only actual “non-materialist” here.
Nay 🙂
@5 & 6: Where precisely is “here” in your view of reality?
Fasteddious,
I was talking in that comment about here at Uncommon Descent, but apparently Mike1962 is also an actual non-materialist if I’m taking his comment correctly.
In the broader sense of reality, “here” would be a mental world, “one” (I use that word loosely) of an infinite number, largely defined by common subconscious architecture and experiential parameters – such as, the immersive quality of the appearance of a time-linear, mortal (birth to death) life with little if any memory or concscious connection to our broader multidimensionality.
As long as you think there is an actual material world, you’re part materialist.
Fasteddious: apparently Mike1962 is also an actual non-materialist
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