Defend the Children

_{Barry Arrington
May 24, 2022

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The madness will not end until we grasp the following truths:

1. There are hundreds of millions of guns in the US.

2. Even assuming for the sake of argument that it would be a desirable thing to do, no gun control law can eliminate all or even a small fraction of those guns.

3. Evil men will always be able to get a gun.

4. Schools are soft targets full of defenseless people.

5. We can’t hire enough cops to guard all of those people.

6. We need to equip and train school staff who are willing to do so to defend themselves and the children in their care.

7. Don’t tell me it can’t be done. It is being done in Israel.

Fight me. Show me that one of those statements is false.

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JH at 946, No assumptions please. "Your problem is that you prefer to despise anyone..." That's the problem. People like you prefer to paint those who disagree as filled with hate and being ignorant. Am I right?relatd_{June 19, 2022
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JH at 942, There is no debate. You were once a fetus, along with everyone else reading this. This isn't about Person A has more rights than Person B. YOU were once a fetus.relatd_{June 19, 2022
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#946 Right. So black people in North America didn’t have the right to liberty until white people granted it to them.OhReally_{June 19, 2022
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KF: . JH, the first right is life, period.
Rights are what we as a society grant each other. Your problem is that you prefer to despise anyone who has different views than yours rather than to try to understand them. Understanding others views doesn’t mean accepting them. But jumping out wit derogatory labels does not advance the discussion.JHolo_{June 19, 2022
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JH, the first right is life, period. If you -- a government or a people -- cannot respect life, you will respect no other rights or duties in the end. KFkairosfocus_{June 19, 2022
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#942 Maybe they are three fifths.OhReally_{June 19, 2022
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Yes, JHolo, you are sorry. Science says that life starts at conception. And when that life is inside of a human woman, it is a human life. That life is just as valuable as the mother's. It is this total disregard for human life that has us in this position now. And materialists are imposing their religious views on unsuspecting children.ET_{June 19, 2022
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Sorry, but I don’t accept that the rights of a weeks old fetus exceed those of an adult woman. I also oppose people trying to impose their religious beliefs on others. That has never worked out well.JHolo_{June 19, 2022
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F/N: US VP, Ms Harris attempts to deny that the killing of our living posterity in the womb has general religious significance. (Watch the video, here.) She tries the choice, government non involvement [!] and my body arguments. What significance is it, then, that we are made in God's image and the shedding of innocent blood is not only murder of one's neighbour but gross disrespect for the image of God? And of course, the my body argument fails to acknowledge that half the time, the child is of the opposite sex to his mother. As for Government, its first duty is justice and the shedding of innocent blood is the violation of the first right, life. That such an argument can be made by a senior official itself is a sobering sign. This is the same government whose acts have sustained the killing of 25,000 of our living posterity per week for almost half a century. Is this a government that can be trusted not to go down the long train of abuses and usurpations? KFkairosfocus_{June 19, 2022
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Sev, you have failed to see the implication of the mass shedding of innocent blood. Too many have dehumanised our living posterity. The parallels to the radical ideologies of C20 beg to be drawn. KFkairosfocus_{June 18, 2022
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Kairosfocus/937
F/N: I see they are proposing to turn US military bases and similar federal facilities into abortion mills, should Roe vs Wade be overturned on merits (as it was long since clear it should have been). The Federal Govt now becomes even more directly involved in mass killing of living posterity. And they expect people to accept disarmament at such hands? KF
I think that providing safe-haven abortion facilities is better than imprisoning or even executing women for the offense of having a miscarriage. Apparently, pro-lifers care much more about unborn. Once they are born, they are on their own. That said, I see an opportunity here. The rate of natural miscarriages is around the same as the current rate of abortions. But miscarriages have probably been happening over the whole time humans have been human. According to Christian belief, the human reproductive system - wasteful as it undoubtedly is - was designed by God. If a human enterprise had marketed something that caused such a massive loss of unborn human life they would have been the target of a barrage of class-action lawsuits seeking huge damages as compensation. I would hope that somewhere there are counsel looking at the possibility taking God or his authorized representatives here on Earth to court to answer for this divinely-caused "Holocaust" inflicted on humanity for millennia. They should also be taking a closer look at the massive tax breaks enjoyed by religions here in the US.Seversky_{June 18, 2022
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Looks like the French caught a car burner https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/06/18/french-police-arrest-far-left-extremist-linked-to-estimated-60-car-burnings/kairosfocus_{June 18, 2022
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F/N: I see they are proposing to turn US military bases and similar federal facilities into abortion mills, should Roe vs Wade be overturned on merits (as it was long since clear it should have been). The Federal Govt now becomes even more directly involved in mass killing of living posterity. And they expect people to accept disarmament at such hands? KFkairosfocus_{June 17, 2022
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New Hampshire has the lowest murder rate in the USA, one murder per 100k, and has the most lax gun laws in the country, with 41% households having gun ownership. Mexico has practically no legal private gun ownership and their murder rate is six times higher than the USA. Switzerland has high gun ownership and a 0.5/100k murder rate. Gun-rights haters like to talk about more gun murders where more guns exists, which practically nobody disputes. What they don't like to talk about is overall murder rates where legal private gun ownership exists. And they also don't like to talk about the locations and demographics of where the murders generally occur.Paxx_{June 16, 2022
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Have you viewed this video as was already linked? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4iQxpwYhAg as in, what is not included may be more pivotal than what is.kairosfocus_{June 16, 2022
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An interesting plot in this article of gun deaths against national GDP per capita. For countries with GDP per capita above 30K, the gun deaths per 100,000 for almost all of them is 0.5 or lower. The one country that jumps out as an obvious outlier is the US, with gun deaths per 100,000 is 4. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-us-gun-violence-world-comparison/JHolo_{June 15, 2022
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BTW, the government backed slaughter of 25,000 per week average across nearly 50 years in the US and currently 1 million per week globally is the single worst act of state backed bloodshed in history, never mind colour of law, rights, freedom. This utterly discredits the power factions of government that have done so, demonstrating that if they can do it they will commit mass murder. That is patently extremely relevant to putting forth under colour of law that one has no right of self defence with reasonable means, there being no duty to be a victim. Further, the manifest attempt to find crises to push stripping law abiding people of effective means of self defence speaks for itself. KF PS: There is of course a highly significant difference between proposals and more subtle enabling and projection.kairosfocus_{June 15, 2022
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We have again reached the arson plus further threats threshold https://www.thegatewaypundit.c om/2022/06/far-left-pro-abortion-group-janes-revenge-issues-terroristic-threat-pro-life-pregnancy-centers-ag-garland-silent/kairosfocus_{June 15, 2022
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A case where the term was picked up https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/06/02/the-further-hyper-skepticism-stalling-our-conversation/kairosfocus_{June 15, 2022
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No ifs, mortal insult not belonging in civil society. You have publicly measured your character, a factor going forward. As for the projected misunderstandings, utterly lame. As for the broad agenda you are enabling, the track record above speaks. KFkairosfocus_{June 15, 2022
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KF, if I offended you I do apologize, but I find it difficult to have a discussion with you when you obviously do not understand what I am saying. Maybe if you could answer a couple questions, it might clear up our misunderstanding. 1) what do you think my opinion is of the effectiveness of target hardening. 2) what “dangerous policy game” do you think I am proposing?JHolo_{June 15, 2022
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F/N: What sort of civil strife has been plaguing Mexico for many years, defying Govt attempts to bring it under control?kairosfocus_{June 15, 2022
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JH, I suppose you do not realise just how much of a mortal insult you just committed against a man who has put life on the line on matters of truth. It is easy for you to type up snide dismissive words and try to trash someone else's character. That here simply further exposes your own want of character. You crossed a line that should never be crossed and its not possible to pull back. Going forward you need to do some serious rethinking about approach and mindset. KF PS, here is where I first seriously discussed the phenomenon, which is associated with the trifecta fallacy: red herrings, led away to strawman caricatures soaked in ad hominems and set alight to cloud, confuse, poison and polarise the atmosphere, frustrating progress towards a sound conclusion.. PPS, you are also recycling long since cogently answered talk points, through doubling down. The central one goes back to the OP, we have in hand a demonstration of what has worked before the whole world since 2000: target hardening. You refuse to acknowledge that and its relevance as it cuts across agenda. Likewise when actual research was put on the table on how mass attackers reach where they are, you and others basically side stepped it. As for the dangerous policy game you propose, you have been advised on April 19, 1775 and on the more recent point that no one has a duty to be a victim so whatever legislation and/or rulings under colour of law imply there is no right of reasonable self defence are in gross error and discredit those who have gone there.kairosfocus_{June 15, 2022
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KF:Which I should know as this is a term I coined to describe a pattern of anti-reasoning seen far too often among objectors.
No, you coined the term to use against anyone who is not convinced by your arguments.
You have consistently refused to acknowledge that research on mass shooters has shown a pattern as outlined, even as you are ever so eager to pose or link other explorations, never mind some key flaws.
And why don't we see this in other countries? Are Americans somehow different? As JVL has pointed out, other countries have all of the things that you claim are leading us over the cliff. And in many cases, far further along than the US. Yet they don't have near the rates of gun violence or mass shootings that the US does. You are ignoring the one thing that differs these countries from the US. Strict gun laws.
Similarly, you refused to acknowledge that the US, due to high diversity of place, people, circumstances and linked rise of a criminal subculture involving gangsterism...
And you have completely ignored the fact that these also exist in other countries.
Israel demonstrates that target hardening works.
You really have to learn to read for content and not misrepresent what others say just so you can display your rhetorical talking points. I have never denied that target hardening doesn't work. And I have even said that it is necessary in the US. What I have tried to address is why target hardening is necessary. That is why it is important to compare against countries other than Israel. The goal should be for Americans to live in a country where target hardening isn't necessary. And, as JVL has already stated, it can't be because of same sex marriage, transgendered, abortion, atheism or any of the other things you despise because these exist in many other countries.
You ignore that by backing mass slaughter of living posterity at 25,000/week for nigh on fifty years
I ignore it because it is not relevant to the discussion of gun violence and mass shootings. Many other countries have abortion on demand without the gun violence. In fact, Canada as absolutely no law preventing abortion from conception to birth. As ET mentioned, Mexico has one of the lowest abortion rate, yet it has a high gun violence rate.JHolo_{June 15, 2022
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PS, watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4iQxpwYhAgkairosfocus_{June 15, 2022
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JH, you have been told why again and again but will not accept it. What part of entrenched gangsterism and so far low end drug warlordism is hard to recognise? Ponder several notorious cities. Earlier, names like crips, bloods and MS13 were called. Further you are simply deaf to the research on mass attacks as extended suicides, with various factors including nihilism and further fed by how nihilism has undermined the buttresses of sound community values and nurture. As for Europe, I have pointed to the settlement jihad issue which has already exploded in France a few times, was it 1200 cars being burned per night? And a lot more. But it is most obvious that you do not recognise key factors such as Israel's demonstration that target hardening works. As for the shadow of April 19, 1775, that is even more remote from your plausibility structures. KFkairosfocus_{June 15, 2022
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Kairosfocus: . . . is not on the whole closely similar to other countries you wish to compare to. The question is: why aren't they comparable? Why do countries which have, arguably, a greater acceptance and support of same-sex marriage, single parent families, gun control, trans individuals, etc (some of the failings you like to think are contributing to America's gun problem) . . . why do those countries NOT have a similar problem with death by guns? I may have missed something but I don't think you've actually come up with a good explanation for America's gun conundrum that isn't mirrored in other advanced countries. We'd just like you to explain why America is markedly different in this one measure when it is comparable on lots of other issues. you will see other manifestations like when was it 1,200 cars a night were being torched in France? Temporary blips are NOT at all the same thing. Why is it that America has a vastly higher rate of gun related deaths year after year after year? It's not support for same-sex marriage. It's not support and acceptance of trans individuals. It's not single-parent families. It's not atheism. It's not cultural diversity. It's not drugs. It's not that people are more suicidal (although it has been shown that limiting access to guns cuts the suicide rate). None of the influences you site are unique to America nor is the combination. So, what is it? If you want to solve the problem then you first need to figure out what the real problem is. You should do that before you just decide to put a lot more guns out into the communities.JVL_{June 15, 2022
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JH, yet another round of selective hyperskepticism, exerting a double standard of warrant to dismiss what you refuse to acknowledge even as similar things you are more comfortable with are not locked up like that. Which I should know as this is a term I coined to describe a pattern of anti-reasoning seen far too often among objectors. It is hardly a buzz word. You have consistently refused to acknowledge that research on mass shooters has shown a pattern as outlined, even as you are ever so eager to pose or link other explorations, never mind some key flaws. Similarly, you refused to acknowledge that the US, due to high diversity of place, people, circumstances and linked rise of a criminal subculture involving gangsterism, so far small scale druggie warlordism tied to gangsterism, a strong trend that has marginalised moral knowledge and virtue, rise of nihilism etc , is not on the whole closely similar to other countries you wish to compare to. Though, if settlement jihad moves much beyond where it is, you will see other manifestations like when was it 1,200 cars a night were being torched in France? And more. KF PS, as for point 7 you are simply doubling down on a bluff. Israel demonstrates that target hardening works. Attempted denial or dismissal is speaking with disregard to truth. The implication is, you imagine that disarming law abiding firearms owners [the overwhelming majority] will somehow make issues of de-valuation, gangsterism, druggie warlordism, first level red guardism and linked nihilistic extended suicides disappear. You ignore that by backing mass slaughter of living posterity at 25,000/week for nigh on fifty years, the political factions pushing this have no credibility. And you simply will not face April 19, 1775.kairosfocus_{June 15, 2022
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ET: Mexico is a western country. There is plenty of gun violence in Mexico.
That is true.JHolo_{June 15, 2022
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Mexico is a western country. There is plenty of gun violence in Mexico.ET_{June 15, 2022
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