Origin of Life: Brian Miller’s take on debate between James Tour and Dave Farina

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May 26, 2021

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Occasioned, of course, by YouTube science educator Dave Farina’s video series and synthetic organic chemist James Tour’s responding video series. Miller discusses the conflict with host Eric Anderson:

Tour has argued that no one — not even the most elite of origin-of-life scientists — has a clue how life could have arisen through blind natural forces on the early Earth. Farina created a YouTube response on his channel arguing that Tour is wrong and that origin-of-life researchers are well on their way to solving the mystery of life’s origin. Tour responded in his own YouTube video series. Now Miller and Anderson boil it all down and argue that Tour is right and Farina wrong on multiple levels.
Brian Miller, “Origin of Life: Brian Miller Distills a Debate Between Dave Farina and James Tour” at Evolution News and Science Today (May 25, 2021)

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There isn't any evidence that living organisms are reducible to physics and chemistry. The only "evidence" for abiogenesis exists in the little minds of materialists. There isn't anything in peer review that supports abiogenesis.ET_{August 19, 2022
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@5_ "Debate is not the right word. " Right...Farina put together the data gathered by people that have decades of experience in the biology, you know those who wrote the 30+ peer review papers which, linked to Farinas video clearly render Tour as the liar that he is. It also contains interviews with the scientists whose work was quote mined by Tour.. All that clearly outlines his fraudulence. Did you miss that?Rob Davis_{August 19, 2022
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@ Martin_r 1_"i don’t understand, why Darwinian clowns like this wannabe professor Dave are so self-confident…" They got literally all the facts supporting their position. "The origin of life (OOL) research is a fiasco. There is no progress at all." Is that why there are over 62.000 peer revied oaoers out there making progress in 2022 alone...whereas ID is....well, dead in the water ever since crestionism was rebraded as such?Rob Davis_{August 19, 2022
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AnimatedDust... i tried to comment on Farinas latest rebuttal video, but i can’t see my comments at all. Does it require approval from Farina’s end? Did your comment appeared immediately after you submitted it?martin_r_{May 29, 2021
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I have commented on Farina's videos in the past, and he insultingly usually replies with defensive hate. The last time I did, when I pointed out the ridiculous fallacy in his argument that Tour is wrong with the car parts analogy, he did something I didn't expect. Farina argues that cars are assembled by humans working from blueprints, and that life isn't anything like that. Ummmmm, it's exactly like that, only infinitely more sophisticated. That comment, articulated far better there than here, was promptly deleted. :)AnimatedDust_{May 28, 2021
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Debate is not the right word. Tour anihilates the OOL nonsense. And that's just the chemistry perspective. Also, turns out a Nobel is not Carte Blanche.Nonlin.org_{May 27, 2021
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so it seems, that Nobel laureate Jack Szostak is making OOL-experiments that nobody can replicate... the full Jack Szostak article (RetractionWatch.com): https://retractionwatch.com/2017/12/05/definitely-embarrassing-nobel-laureate-retracts-non-reproducible-paper-nature-journal/martin_r_{May 27, 2021
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and, this is not the first replication issue with Jack Szostak experiments: here you go, from Retraction Watch: "A previous replication issue In 2009, Szostak also retracted a 2008 paper in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences after an outside researcher could not replicate the results. The retraction notice credited Katherine Berry, then a doctoral student at the University of California, Berkeley, for bringing the issues to their attention. (Full disclosure: RW’s Victoria Stern and Berry were roommates freshman year of college)."martin_r_{May 27, 2021
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with respect to Jack Szostak, this is also worth to know: A Nobel Laureate has retracted a 2016 paper in Nature Chemistry that explored the origins of life on earth, after discovering the main conclusions were not correct. The errors were “definitely embarrassing,” Szostak told us: In retrospect, we were totally blinded by our belief [in our findings]…we were not as careful or rigorous as we should have been (and as Tivoli was) in interpreting these experiments.martin_r_{May 27, 2021
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i don't understand, why Darwinian clowns like this wannabe professor Dave are so self-confident... The origin of life (OOL) research is a fiasco. There is no progress at all. In his videos, 'professor' Dave is also mentioning the famous OOL-researcher Nobel laureate Jack Szostak. So let me remind you, what Jack Szostak said in an 2014 interview with Suzan Mazur: Jack Szostak (2014) : "Live in lab in 3-5 years, more likely in 3 years" .... More likely never.... in 2021 Jack Szostak has literally nothing but bold claims ... It is always the same with Darwinists... bold claims, hypothesis, and theories ... the interview with Szostak is here: https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1406/S00007/jack-szostak-life-in-lab-in-3-5-years.htmmartin_r_{May 26, 2021
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