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Recently there has been a spate of newspaper reports extolling Denmark as the world’s happiest country. Secular liberals often point to the Scandinavian countries as an earthly paradise, when compared with what they see as a broken-down, inegalitarian, hyper-religious United States. Are they right? I decided to check out the facts, and here’s what I’ve come up with.

My findings, in a nutshell

1. Latin Americans are actually the world’s happiest people; Danes are the world’s most contented people.

2. The success of Sweden and Denmark is due to its social homogeneity and its Protestant work ethic, rather than socialism.

3. Scandinavian societies are egalitarian, but they also tend to stifle individuality.

4. Denmark and Sweden have their own social problems.

5. Sweden also has a shocking record of violating individual liberties.

1. Latin Americans are actually the world’s happiest people; Danes are the world’s most contented people

How do you define happiness, anyway?

Most people would tend to define “happiness” as a feeling of enjoying your life, typically accompanied by behavior such as laughing or smiling a lot, engaging in fun activities, and sharing one’s positive experiences with one’s friends and family. If you define happiness in this way, then the happiest people in the world aren’t the Danes, but Latin Americans.

A 2015 Gallup report by Jon Clifton, titled, Who Are the Happiest People in the World? The Swiss or Latin Americans? (April 24, 2015), explains the difference between two widely used international metrics for happiness. One metric, used in the UN World Happiness Report, places the Danes (or in 2015, the Swiss) on top, while the other metric, used by Gallup in its Global Healthways Wellbeing Index, places Latin American countries on top:

The Swiss are the happiest people on the planet. That was the conclusion of the most recent UN World Happiness Report. Just weeks ago, however, Gallup released a report suggesting something very different — that the happiest people in the world are Latin Americans. Which one is right?

The answer is “both” — it just depends on how you define happiness. If you think happiness is how people see their lives — then the Swiss are the happiest people in the world. If you think happiness is defined by how people live their lives through experiences such as smiling and laughing, enjoyment and feeling treated with respect each day — then the happiest people in the world are Latin Americans.

The 2014 Global Healthways Wellbeing Index defines “well-being” as a composite of five elements. Within each of these constituents, there are three possible levels of well-being:

Definitions

The Five Elements of Well-Being

Purpose: Liking what you do each day and being motivated to achieve your goals
Social: Having supportive relationships and love in your life
Financial: Managing your economic life to reduce stress and increase security
Community: Liking where you live, feeling safe and having pride in your community
Physical: Having good health and enough energy to get things done daily

Levels of Well-Being

Thriving: Well-being that is strong and consistent in a particular element
Struggling: Well-being that is moderate or inconsistent in a particular element
Suffering: Well-being that is low and inconsistent in a particular element

The world’s happiest people are found in Latin America, not Scandinavia

According to the 2014 Global Healthways Wellbeing Index, Panama is the happiest country in the world, and most of the top 10 countries are in Latin America. Denmark ranks just 7th in the world:

New country rankings from the Gallup-Healthways Global Well-Being Index show that, for the second time since last year’s inaugural report, Panama has the highest overall well-being in the world. The new report, “2014 Country Well-Being Rankings Report”, ranks 145 countries and areas based on the percentages of their residents that are thriving in three or more well-being elements.

The Americas have a strong presence in the ten countries with the world’s highest overall well-being, with seven countries on the list. After Panama, rounding out the top ten are Costa Rica, Puerto Rico, Switzerland, Belize, Chile, Denmark, Guatemala, Austria and Mexico…
[FYI: Norway came 16th, Sweden 26th, USA 23rd, Canada 24th, Australia 40th, UK 44th, Russia 47th, France 48th – VJT.]

The Gallup-Healthways Global Well-Being Index uses a holistic definition of well-being and self-reported data from individuals across the globe to create a unique view of societies’ progress on the elements that matter most to well-being: purpose, social, financial, community and physical. It is the most proven, mature and comprehensive measure of well-being in populations…

People in Latin America (and especially, people living in Panama and Costa Rica) experience a lot of positive emotions on a daily basis, according to a Gallup report by Jon Clifton titled, Mood of the World Upbeat on International Happiness Day (March 19, 2015):

As the world marks the third annual International Day of Happiness on Friday, the happiest people on the planet might be Latin Americans. People in Latin America are the most likely in the world to experience a lot of positive emotions on a daily basis, according to Gallup’s Positive Experience Index. In fact, for the first time in Gallup’s 10-year history of global tracking, all of the top 10 countries with the highest Positive Experience Index scores are in Latin America.

Why are the people of Panama so happy?

Journalist Homa Khaleeli examines the secret to happiness in Panama, in a Guardian report titled, World’s happiest country: how did Panama overtake Denmark? (September 17, 2014):

A poll by Gallup and Healthways Global reports that the Central American country now has the most positive population, after 133,000 people from 135 countries were asked to rate their wellbeing in five categories: purpose, social, financial, community and physical.

So what makes people in Panama so cheery?

Cultural attache for Panama, Laura Montenegro, thinks it is down to the fact the country has a thriving economy and has maintained its traditional values. “Family bonds are very strong here, and on Sundays everyone still gets together,” she says. “So even when people are struggling they don’t feel alone. We have a very beautiful landscape too and even in Panama city you never feel too far from nature. We have a booming economy and financial stability. When the global financial crisis hit, Panama came out of it even better than before, because our banks had been very cautious.”

Another factor that helps explain why Panamians are so happy is that Latin Americans also tend to focus on the positive, according to a Gallup report titled, People Worldwide Are Reporting a Lot of Positive Emotions (May 21, 2014):

That so many people are reporting positive emotions in Latin America at least partly reflects the cultural tendency in the region to focus on the positives in life.

The Danes: contented, rather than happy

What about the people of Denmark? Anecdotal evidence seems to suggest that the Danes are contented rather than happy, and that their contentment is based on having low expectations, according to a report by Michael Booth in The Atlantic titled, The Danish Don’t Have the Secret to Happiness (January 30, 2015):

Over the years I have asked many Danes about these happiness surveys—whether they really believe that they are the global happiness champions — and I have yet to meet a single one of them who seriously believes it’s true.

Newspaper editor Anne Knudsen had an interesting theory relating to why the Danes continue to respond positively to happiness surveys: “In Denmark it is shameful to be unhappy,” she told me. “If you ask me how I am and I start telling you how bad I feel, then it might force you to do something about it. It might put a burden on you to help me. So, that’s one of the main reasons people say things are all right, or even ‘super.’”

Here’s another convincing theory, posited by a Danish friend of mine: “We always come top of those surveys because they ask us at the beginning of the year what our expectations are,” he said. “Then they ask us at the end of the year whether those expectations were met. And because our expectations are so extremely low at the beginning of the year, they tend to get met more easily.

Could that be the secret of the Danes’ contentedness? Low expectations? … Happiness has never been an “inalienable right” in Denmark, so it could be that the Danes appreciate it all the more when it manifests itself. Perhaps Danish happiness is not really happiness at all, but something much more valuable and durable: contentedness, being satisfied with your lot, low-level needs being met, higher expectations being kept in check.

Other theories about Danish “happiness”: anti-depressants and Danish DNA

A recent report in The Local [Denmark] (March 16, 2016) discusses other theories that have been put forward as to why Danes score well in happiness surveys:

Theories abound for why Danes consistently rank so high in these types of studies. Some say it’s down to having more realistic expectations while others cynically point to the nation’s high use of antidepressants, with upwards of 12 percent of the population on some sort of antidepressant medication.

Another theory is that it is genetic. Eugenio Proto, a researcher at the University of Warwick, told The Local in 2014 that his analysis of data on 131 countries from various international surveys on happiness found that the more ‘Danish’ people are, the happier they are as well.

“If you have Danish DNA, regardless of where you live, you are likely to report high levels of happiness,” Proto said.

2. The success of Sweden and Denmark is due to its social homogeneity and its Protestant work ethic; socialism has nothing to do with it

Regardless of whether they are the world’s happiest nations or not, Sweden and Denmark are undeniably successful countries. Many people put this down to Scandinavia’s cradle-to-grave welfare system. However, a report in the Boston Globe by Jeff Jacoby titled, No, Bernie Sanders, Scandinavia is not a socialist utopia (October 15, 2015) explains why the reality of Scandinavia’s welfare-state utopia doesn’t match the hype. As it turns out, the real roots of Scandinavia’s success lie in its traditional work ethic and its embrace of free-market policies in the nineteenth century:

To begin with, explains Swedish scholar Nima Sanandaji, the affluence and cultural norms upon which Scandinavia’s social-democratic policies rest are not the product of socialism. In “Scandinavian Unexceptionalism,” a penetrating new book published by the Institute of Economic Affairs, Sanandaji shows that the Nordic nations’ prosperity “developed during periods characterized by free-market policies, low or moderate taxes, and limited state involvement in the economy.

For example, Sweden was a poor nation for most of the 19th century (which helps explain the great wave of Swedish emigration to the United States in the 1800s). That began to change as Stockholm, starting around 1870, turned to free-enterprise reforms Robust capitalism replaced the formerly agrarian system, and Sweden grew rich. “Property rights, free markets, and the rule of law combined with large numbers of well-educated engineers and entrepreneurs,” Sanandaji writes. The result was an environment in which Swedes experienced “an unprecedented period of sustained and rapid economic development.” In fact, between 1870 and 1936, Sweden had the highest growth rate in the industrialized world.

Scandinavia’s hard-left turn didn’t come about until much later…

The real key to Scandinavia’s unique successes isn’t socialism, it’s culture. Social trust and cohesion, a broad egalitarian ethic, a strong emphasis on work and responsibility, commitment to the rule of law — these are healthy attributes of a Nordic culture that was ingrained over centuries. In the region’s small and homogeneous countries (overwhelmingly white, Protestant, and native-born), those norms took deep root. The good outcomes and high living standards they produced antedated the socialist nostrums of the 1970s. Scandinavia’s quality of life didn’t spring from leftist policies. It survived them.

3. Scandinavian societies are egalitarian, but tend to stifle individuality

A strong egalitarian ethic pervades Scandinavian societies. While this egalitarian ethic provides people with a sense of security, it also tends to stifle people’s individuality.

The Jante Law: the conformist social ethic that governs Scandinavia

Most North American readers may not realize that Scandinavian societies are governed by a set of social conventions, which are known unofficially as the “Law of Jante“:

The Jante Law as a concept was created by the Dano-Norwegian author Aksel Sandemose, who, in his novel A Fugitive Crosses His Tracks (En flyktning krysser sitt spor, 1933, English translation published in the USA in 1936), identified the Law of Jante as ten rules. Sandemose’s novel portrays the small Danish town Jante …, where nobody is anonymous…

Generally used colloquially in Denmark and the rest of the Nordic countries as a sociological term to negatively describe a condescending attitude towards individuality and success, the term refers to a mentality that de-emphasises individual effort and places all emphasis on the collective, while discouraging those who stand out as achievers.

There are ten rules in the law as defined by Sandemose, all expressive of variations on a single theme and usually referred to as a homogeneous unit: You are not to think you’re anyone special or that you’re better than us.

The ten rules state:

You’re not to think you are anything special.
You’re not to think you are as good as we are.
You’re not to think you are smarter than we are.
You’re not to convince yourself that you are better than we are.
You’re not to think you know more than we do.
You’re not to think you are more important than we are.
You’re not to think you are good at anything.
You’re not to laugh at us.
You’re not to think anyone cares about you.
You’re not to think you can teach us anything.

These ten principles or commandments are often claimed to form the “Jante’s Shield” of the Scandinavian people.

How the Jante Law poisons the Danish education system

In a Guardian article titled, Dark lands: the grim truth behind the ‘Scandinavian miracle’ (January 27, 2014), Michael Booth (who lives in Denmark with his Danish wife and family) reports that the Jante law mentality leads Danes to overlook talented people and celebrate mediocrity:

[A] prominent newspaper commentator, Jyllands-Posten’s Niels Lillelund, pinpointed a more serious side effect of the Danes’ Jante Law mentality: “In Denmark we do not raise the inventive, the hardworking, the ones with initiative, the successful or the outstanding; we create hopelessness, helplessness, and the sacred, ordinary mediocrity.”

Last year, in an interview with Rob Montz, a journalist writing for Reason magazine (Scandinavia is a Collectivist Paradise? Not So Much, April 30, 2015), Michael Booth described how Denmark’s egalitarian ethic plays out at school:

We sent our kids to a mainstream state school, which is based on the principles of raising the lower ability children up to the median. It’s all-inclusive, so you can’t exclude children if they’re badly behaved or have special needs or that kind of thing. That didn’t work from our point of view. Our children didn’t take well to having chairs thrown at them and teachers not turning up.

I was in Copenhagen a while ago and I saw two or three kids have an impromptu running race on the pavement and one of the kids won and did an American-football-style celebration. His mother grabbed him by the arm and scolded him for that.

My son’s class did a production of Treasure Island. The teachers rotated the class so that in every scene someone different played Long John Silver or Jack Hawkins or whatever. It made absolute nonsense of any sense of drama or narrative. But again, it was this idea: Everyone should have their turn. Everyone should be treated equally, rather than celebrate one student who was a great singer or actor.

In the same interview, Booth explained why the Scandinavian model could never be implemented in America:

If you want an incredibly equal, socially cohesive society, you definitely lose something by way of individuality, eccentricity, diversity. Often I’m asked, “Could the Nordic template be applied to Britain or America?” And the answer is no. You can’t just hope that people will suddenly become conformist and driven by equality. It doesn’t work that way.

4. Denmark and Sweden have their own social problems

Secular liberals in the United States and Canada are apt to regard Denmark and Sweden as a kind of paradise on earth. Why, they wonder aloud, can’t America be more like Scandinavia?

Guardian reporter Michael Booth painted a very different picture of the Scandinavian countries from the rosy picture we’ve been accustomed to hearing about, in a colorfully worded article titled, Dark lands: the grim truth behind the ‘Scandinavian miracle’ (January 27, 2014).

(a) Something rotten in the state of Denmark?

Here’s what Booth had to say about Denmark, in his report:

Take the Danes, for instance. True, they claim to be the happiest people in the world, but why no mention of the fact they are second only to Iceland when it comes to consuming anti-depressants? …

Why do the Danes score so highly on international happiness surveys? Well, they do have high levels of trust and social cohesion, and do very nicely from industrial pork products, but according to the OECD they also work fewer hours per year than most of the rest of the world. As a result, productivity is worryingly sluggish. How can they afford all those expensively foraged meals and hand-knitted woollens? Simple, the Danes also have the highest level of private debt in the world (four times as much as the Italians, to put it into context; enough to warrant a warning from the IMF), while more than half of them admit to using the black market to obtain goods and services.

Presumably the correlative of this is that Denmark has the best public services? According to the OECD’s Programme for International Student Assessment rankings (Pisa), Denmark’s schools lag behind even the UK’s. Its health service is buckling too… According to the World Cancer Research Fund, the Danes have the highest cancer rates on the planet...

Most seriously of all, economic equality – which many believe is the foundation of societal success – is decreasing. According to a report in Politiken this month, the proportion of people below the poverty line has doubled over the last decade. Denmark is becoming a nation divided, essentially, between the places which have a branch of Sticks’n’Sushi (Copenhagen) and the rest. Denmark’s provinces have become a social dumping ground for non-western immigrants, the elderly, the unemployed and the unemployable who live alongside Denmark’s 22m intensively farmed pigs, raised 10 to a pen and pumped full of antibiotics (the pigs, that is).

There’s more. It turns out that one-fifth of Danish adults don’t work and live exclusively on public benefits.

(b) How Sweden’s “nanny state” stifles people’s souls

Booth was similarly unsparing in his depiction of Sweden, in his report:

Anything I say about the Swedes will pale in comparison to their own excoriating self-image. A few years ago, the Swedish Institute of Public Opinion Research asked young Swedes to describe their compatriots. The top eight adjectives they chose were: envious, stiff, industrious, nature loving, quiet, honest, dishonest, xenophobic.

Effectively a one-party state – albeit supported by a couple of shadowy industrialist families – for much of the 20th century, “neutral” Sweden (one of the world largest arms exporters) continues to thrive economically thanks to its distinctive brand of totalitarian modernism, which curbs freedoms, suppresses dissent in the name of consensus, and seems hell-bent on severing the bonds between wife and husband, children and parents, and elderly on their children. Think of it as the China of the north.

Youth unemployment is higher than the UK’s and higher than the EU average; integration is an ongoing challenge; and as with Norway and Denmark, the Swedish right is on the rise…

Ask the Finns and they will tell you that Swedish ultra-feminism has emasculated their men, but they will struggle to drown their sorrows. Their state-run alcohol monopoly stores, the dreaded Systembolaget, were described by Susan Sontag as “part funeral parlour, part back-room abortionist”.

The myriad successes of the Nordic countries are no miracle, they were born of a combination of Lutheran modesty, peasant parsimony, geographical determinism and ruthless pragmatism... These societies function well for those who conform to the collective median, but they aren’t much fun for tall poppies. Schools rein in higher achievers for the sake of the less gifted; “elite” is a dirty word; displays of success, ambition or wealth are frowned upon.

I should mention in passing that not only is the illegitimacy rate in Sweden very high (54%, compared to 51% in Denmark, 55% in Norway and 41% in the U.S.A.), but less than 50% of all Swedes currently agree with the proposition that children need a father and a mother to grow up happily. Not a healthy sign. Sadly, America appears to be following suit: 58% of American adults now say that having a baby outside of marriage is morally acceptable.

5. Sweden also has a shocking record of violating individual liberties

As we have seen, even the Scandinavian countries have their share of social problems. Nevertheless, some readers might be inclined to argue that their problems are not as bad as those which afflict the Anglo-Saxon countries – and especially the United States. America does, however, enjoy one great advantage over Sweden: it is still a free country. Sweden is not.

Freedom of Speech is being steadily eroded, in the name of protecting people from “hate speech”

In a 2014 blog article titled, Freedom Of Speech Is Dying In Sweden, Finnish blogger Johannes Joukahainen paints a grim picture of freedom of speech laws in Sweden:

The key difference in the freedom of speech or expression between the United States and Sweden (as well as many other European countries) is that in the US, regulation of the freedom of speech is very lax when compared to continental European legal systems. While the freedom of speech is not absolute in the United States’ legal system, it is much closer to being almost completely unrestricted than in Europe. European legal systems generally have much tighter laws regarding “incitement to hatred” and “hate speech,” to the extent that in recent years they have been used to silence dissenting opinions all across Europe.

The silencing of opposing views via legal norms is nowhere more obvious than in Sweden, where several laws have been passed to make it incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to legally argue against “special groups” within the society. A law passed in 2002 (2002:800) notably mentions that “expressing disrespect against groups of people with reference to race, color, national origin, ethnicity, confession of faith or sexual origin” can be sentenced to prison for a time of up to four years for inciting hatred.

The word “disrespect” (“missaktning”) is especially problematic, as the term fairly ambiguous. The law was most notably used to sentence a pastor (Åke Green) for comments against homosexuality during a sermon. The Supreme Court later overturned the conviction, as it did not comply with the European Convention of Human Rights, and hence the conviction would have most likely not have been upheld in the European Court.

The wrong kind of opinions can get you ostracized, according to a report by Singaporean doctoral research student Sadhvi Sharma (Sweden is no haven of liberty, Spiked.com, April 2, 2014):

Sweden is typically depicted as a liberal paradise, an evolved and open-minded society where tolerance and equality define public life… This is certainly what I was led to believe when I moved here six months ago.

But take a closer look at Swedish society and a different picture emerges…

On an anecdotal level, I have found that alongside the legal proscription of hate speech, there is also a set of informal rules about what you can and can’t say – the ‘you can’t say that’ moments of Swedish liberal social and cultural life.

You don’t have to be a racist or a homophobe to be shunned; you just have to voice the ‘wrong’ kind of opinions. For instance, you cannot be opposed to gay marriage, or express support for the Swedish Democrats (a far-right party equivalent to the British National Party, but with actual representatives in parliament), without being virtually excommunicated. And if you dare express scepticism about climate change, be prepared for social wrath. Your decency and your moral standing are judged by whether you hold the ‘correct’ views on feminism, on homosexuality, on race, on the environment, on the Israel-Palestine conflict. ‘Incorrect’ positions will see you cast out.

How the Swedish state comes between parents and their children: the sad case of Domenic Johansson

The Swedish state, in its infinite arrogance, behaves as if it were the sole arbiter of children’s rights, and as if parents had to beg the government for the right to be the legal guardians of their own children. The Swedish government has even abducted children from their parents, for the sole “crime” of daring to homeschool them – at a time when it was legal! Domenic Johansson was one of these children. Seven years ago, he was abducted from his parents, Christer and Annie, just as they were about to board a plane for India. Bob Unruh takes up the story for World News Daily:

When the family tried to leave Sweden in 2009 for India, the mother’s homeland, armed police stormed the plane and abducted young Domenic without a warrant or court order. Social services workers claimed he had some cavities in his baby teeth.

Numerous experts and attorneys have described the incident as a brazen example of “state-napping.”

When one court decision was released in Sweden in favor of the parents, government officials kept the child in custody until they were able to get it reversed.

The frustration at one point prompted Christer to take his son during a brief visit and not return him to social workers, resulting in a prison sentence for the father.

Swedish courts eventually terminated the family by severing the parental rights permanently.

Legal experts from around the world have told WND that the pretexts cited to seize Domenic do not stand up to scrutiny, especially because homeschooling was legal in Sweden at the time, and the right to homeschool is guaranteed under multiple human rights treaties.

Domenic Johansson is not alone. WND reports that dozens of families have already fled abroad, including Jonas Himmelstrand, the chief of the Swedish Homeschooling Association, ROHUS, who fled to Finland with his wife and children.

Since then, the Johanssons’ plight has gotten even worse, according to a report on OneNewsNow.com by Michael Haverluck:

Indefinitely extending homeschooler Domenic Johansson’s prohibition from being able to his parents over the past five years, the Swedish Supreme Court rejected what could possibly be his family’s last appeal to reunite with him.

After being taken away from his parents, Christer and Annie Johansson, seven years ago when he was seven years old — and not being allowed to see them at all over the past five years — the homeschool boy, who is now 14, will likely not see his parents again … at least until he’s an adult.

The decision has all but diminished the Johansson’s last glimmer of hope of seeing their son again, as they can now possibly appeal to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), but it has a dismal record when it comes to rulings concerning claims made by homeschoolers.

There is an old saying: “Be careful what you wish for. You just might get what you want.” There are many social liberals who would like to see North America become more like Scandinavia. If that happens – as appears more and more likely, based on current election trends – then we can expect to see America develop into a highly intolerant country where political correctness reigns supreme and where people’s opinions are governed by “group-think.” In such a country, independence of thought will not be prized, and achievement will no longer be valued. The cult of mediocrity will reign. And yes, many people will be “content,” because their government will tell them that they are safe. But contentment is a pale, anemic thing, when compared to the pure and untrammeled joy that comes with freedom, friendship and love of life. The “Scandinavian solution” leads to a society lacking in vitality. If there is a secret to happiness, Latin America sounds like a better place to look for it.

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PPS: Further reading on the fire being currently played with: http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/23/a-rape-survivor-speaks-out-about-transgender-bathrooms/kairosfocus
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Mike: "They are a homogeneous bunch with nothing like the demographic problems facing the USA colossus." That is the problem right there. Demographic "problems" are caused by the attitudes of the people in the country and government policies. Canada has very similar demographics as the USA, with a fraction of the "problems".Indiana Effigy
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IE, open your eyes, starting with the increasingly obvious agenda to demonise, marginalise, scapegoat, criminalise and oppress those who do not go along with today's version of fashionable fascism and its progress to imagined utopia of topsy-turvy amoral and nihilistic inversion of morality in which vice becomes virtue and virtue vice by politically correct fiat and agit prop . . . where, you need to recognise that we saw all this before with the rise of C20 totalitarian movements. Movements that it cost 200 million lives or thereabouts to stop. Then, pause a little bit and actually read what you refused to look at after the opening remark that it is a time for truth which so obviously stuck cross-ways in your gullet; where BTW as Ari said, the truth says of what is that it is; and of what is not, that it is not so neat talking points that try to project oh you are not open to radical relativisation are simply besides the point, As in, did you realise that what followed was an outline of the sins of our civilisation's power elites across the past 500 years? (As in your sneering dismissal looks distinctly hollow in that light, looks instead like you set up and knocked over a strawman and refused to examine what was actually there in front of you.) Your openly confessed closed minded reaction . . . sight unseen . . . speaks saddening volumes, and not in your favour. Please, think again. KF PS: Plato's warning from 2350 years ago still speaks to us: https://uncommondescent.com/philosophy/denmark-its-no-secular-paradise-neither-is-sweden/#comment-602342 and you may find Girgis, George and Anderson as some relevant reading on principled objections to the agenda to warp marriage: http://www.harvard-jlpp.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/GeorgeFinal.pdfkairosfocus
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Indian Effigy @ 25, 'When a commenter starts with “It is time for truth”, he/she is not admitting the possibility that they might be wrong.' That is a Shibboleth, since it sounds momentously wrong, but is in fact perfectly sensible. The purpose of an open mind is to close on the truth - which presents an insuperable problem for atheists, with their died-in-the-wool relativism. There are situations where it would apply, but this is not one of them.Axel
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earthsinterface, you cannot count on more tax evaders being revealed. They have said that 80 % or more will remain under wraps. They want to get at Putin. At least, that's what VeteransToday asserts. They obtain some high-quality, non MSM news and opinion.Axel
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earthsinterface @22: What you say greatly saddens me. Perhaps my little family enclave is an anomaly in Norway. I do hear from various people that the Muslim population in the larger cities such as Oslo and Bergan are a problem and a burden, but there are few out in the smaller less populated areas. To flesh out my family profile a bit more: In many of the homes we find a small Israeli flag and a menorah, most often purchased on a trip to Israel -- some have been there multiple times. It is also common to see Israeli oriented newspapers printed in Norwegian. The family has sent out Christian missionaries to many far spread areas of the world such as Cambodia, Talan, Tunisia, Japan and Russia. And one family has befriended a Muslim family who has since moved to Oslo. We had occasion to meet both of them once when we attended a lecture on the history of Israel - ancient and modern - complete with a less than flattering picture of the modern Palestinian Muslims and their hatred for Israel -- the Muslim in attendance, after the lecture agree with all the Norwegian spoke of - which surprised me greatly. Lastly, do you have reliable sources documenting what you say regarding secular Norway and its Atheist bent? Again, I thank you for this very sad news you bring me -- I'm hoping it's not true, but my thinking is that you tell the truth. Best regardsayearningforpublius
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Even if Sweden and Denmark were secular, socialist utopias, who gives a rat's butt? Denmark has the population on par with Wisconsin. Sweden has a population on par with Michigan. They are a homogeneous bunch with nothing like the demographic problems facing the USA colossus. They are irrelevant to a guy like me, in the USA.mike1962
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KF @: "It is time for truth." Anytime someone starts out with those words, I stop reading. An open and honest discussion must start from the premise that both sides admit the possibility that they may be wrong. When a commenter starts with "It is time for truth", he/she is not admitting the possibility that they might be wrong.Indiana Effigy
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KF @9: "IE, care to substantiate the implicit claim that there are no principled, informed objections to the ever onward radical secularist agenda?" For example, same sex marriage. What principled and informed objections do you have for this? Who does it hurt?, How does it hurt society? The two major objections, other than religious ones (which don't count because marriage is not owned by any religion) are 1) the slippery-slope argument; and 2) the erosion of traditional marriage. Slippery Slope: The fear mongers had argued that SSM would lead to polygamy, pedophilia, beastiality, etc. SSM Has been the law in Canada for over ten years and there have been no serious attempts to legalize any of this. There are fringe groups that lobby for this, but they existed long before the SSM debate ever started. Erosion of Traditional Marriage: Divorce rates have not increased since SSM. My marriage is as strong now as it was when I got married over 30 years ago. And then there is the whole concept of traditional marriage. What traditional marriage are we talking about? The one where the woman had to promise to obey the husband? The one where the husband was legally entitled to physically discipline his wife? Marriage has evolved in my life-time, making it a more equal partnership than it was in the past. You may not like it, but many do.Indiana Effigy
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'... not guaranteed a job ?' I suspect that would sound comical to American ears. Guaranteed ?!? I should think there would be little chance of a job for most graduates from ordinary universities there today. Isn't there a joke question from the mouths of graduates flipping burgers : 'Would you like fries with that?' But, sure, that political correctness, so characteristic today of the left, everywhere, who seem to have long lost interest in their original rationale, in favour of sexual libertarianism, is criminal. Candidly, I would like to see the worst of the totalitarian authors of the senselessness regarding policing 'gone mad', imprisoned. There used to be a joke about being a 'bouncer' for Mothercare (a shop for baby clothes, etc). Now it seems your police have been forced to 'morph' into the latter. Except it's not pregnant mothers they're having to police. Is personal bankruptcy still open to students and others crippled by usurious debt still an option ? The 'bought and paid for' American polity moved very swiftly to shut down that option. In my opinion, refugees who fail to understand that they are guests, at the expense of the indigenous citizens, and to act with the ordinary civility common to the national culture, deserve scant sympathy and if possible, sent elsewhere. As the theme of these posts indicates, it is not that we bear no blame for their plight and all the madness engendered by increasing godlessness, but it won't be sorted out even imperfectly by sitting on our thumbs. Were we still God-fearing nations, there is so much we could enact and to help reasonable numbers of immigrants to settle and assimilate, but why would they be daft enough to give up their religious beliefs for atheism ? Not difficult to see why they should at least feel contempt for us, even if they should be required to show a modicum of respect for us and our moribund, Christian culture, if only for its residual merits. Great posts, KF, News and Harry, if I may say so. 'Civilizations can become too stupid to survive.' Pithy and apposite beyond belief, News.Axel
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‘Who knows what horrors he has been through?’ Swedish police chief sparks anger by SYMPATHISING with Somali boy, 15, charged with social worker’s murder I remember when this happened. It was in an area south of central Gothenburg called Mölndal. In fact the Swedish authorities are so frightened of offending the Muslim community, that they forbid her co-workers from holding a memorial in her honor at that place where they all worked for fear it would offend the other muslims. Stories like this are a dime a dozen here, but not all are reported. The reugee assylum seekers today are a different culture of human being, irrespective of what country they come from. Many are ungrateful for the provisions and housing they are given here. They want an upgrade in housing and are picky about what cities they are being sent to. This whole immigration open door policy throughout the entire E.U. was never planned for and very little thought was given as to the potential for being overwhelmed. Many of them live in camps in rural areas and they are upset because there is a lack of housing. In the old days regugees were always grateful for any help provided by a host country. This is a different culture. ayearningforpublius speaking about Norway. "There is a closeness in the local church community across all generations. Though the “state church” is Lutheran, most of my family are active in a thriving independent church." This is definitely not the rule or even close to it in most of Scandinavia. They are mostly Atheist or Agnostic. Maybe 5% are close to be religious. The State Church "Lutheran" is extremely secular and active in many of the state's worldview policies. Example is they are heavily in favor of Gay Marriage and highly active in most of the Euro-Pride festivals. "There is a love of Israel." Sweden is the exact opposite. Most citizens here hate Israel and have always favored the Arab causes. In fact my wife said it was popular back in the 1970s & 80s for women to wear those Yasser Arafat Palastinian scarfs over their heads back then. Even my father-in-law who is now dead always stated what a lousy job Hitler did with the Jews. They just hate the Jewish state. Frankly I could care less about their politics here or anywhere else for that matter. But there is one record I'd like to set straight. I even have to convince family and friends that the rumor News Reports of Free Academic College education where Scandinavian youth are not in debt like USA young people is a total flat out lie. They are terribly in debt mostly because they have to take out numerous loans over the course of their college career to support themselves within an extremely expense Socialist Society. Like my brother-in-law, it may take decades to pay off and there is no guarantee of employment after they graduate. Some things are the same though. Most Swedes like indigenous born and raised average Americans DO NOT want to do labor work. Hence the need for immigrants to do jobs they refuse to do. I have African friends who came here for work under the promise of making good money planting GMO trees in the industrial forest industry. It does not pay that well and this work is refused by native Swedes. Admittedly it is hard in summer where temps are hot and sticky and you are continually under attack by mosquitoes. A couple other things to watch for. Scandinavia has had for a long time this high minimum wage law. But there is a loop hole way Corporations get around having to pay for this. They hire temp agencies to provide workers for three months, then hire a new batch. If an employee works at a company more than three months, they have to provide full benefits which are outrageously expensive, but not if they work less than three months. Otherwise they could not compete with the manufactured goods they produce. Also there are rich and wealthy here, but they tax evade and do a lot of screwy offshore things which as you all know have come to light recently. Count on more being exposed here with the Panamaian scandal. I also was disappointed with the country not being more Ecogreen as I thought I would see. I suppose I was thinking Sweden would be more like Switzerland. It's not. In the early days they tried forcing citizens to be ecogreen reguarding recycling. They had undercover plain clothes Eco-Gestapo groups which spied on how people were using the various recycele Bins located everywhere. If you put colored glass in clear glass bins or vice versa, you immediately were confronted and received a ticket with fine. Same with Newsprint in Cardboard Bins etc. It's not to say some of these things aren't well meaning, they are. But the propaganda that this is a socialist paradise is unfounded.earthsinterface
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What bothers some of us is how unnatural such societies become. Here’s a profoundly troubling incident that might bear reflection based on Vincent Torley’s thoughts:
'Who knows what horrors he has been through?' Swedish police chief sparks anger by SYMPATHISING with Somali boy, 15, charged with social worker's murder
Regular readers will know that I think evolutionary psychology is pop culture fluff, but there are natural ways for human beings to behave. Sympathizing with the felon against his victim - for no reason whatsoever except virtue signalling and moral posturing - is NOT one of them. We must know that things are very badly wrong when a police chief indulges in the sort of thing that one would expect, at worst, of Bimbette from Airhead TV. My compatriot Mark Steyn puts it all a bit more simply: Civilizations can become too stupid to survive.News
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kairosfocus @18
... we increasingly hate scripture as a civilisation and will manufacture any silly excuse to refuse to listen to it.
Which is to say contemporary civilization has committed a not very original sin: we have decided we can "be like God" and decide for ourselves what is good and what is evil, there is no need to listen to Scripture. Contrast this with how St. Cyril, Bishop of Jerusalem, who lived in the fourth century, instructed pagans in the faith:
17. ... For concerning the divine and holy mysteries of the Faith, not even a casual statement must be delivered without the Holy Scriptures; nor must we be drawn aside by mere plausibility and artifices of speech. Even to me, who tell you these things, give not absolute credence, unless thou receive the proof of the things which I announce from the Divine Scriptures. For this salvation which we believe depends not on ingenious reasoning , but on demonstration of the Holy Scriptures. -- Catechetical Lecture 4
The widespread disbelief of contemporary Christianity in the historicity of sections of the Scriptures that the Early Church Fathers unanimously considered historical -- but are now considered myths and legends -- has left the Church helpless and befuddled in the face of Islamist terrorism. Its helpless befuddlement is demonstrated by its lack of response to a catastrophe that is in progress; so it is no surprise that it is incapable of realistically facing the eventual catastrophe that the combination of Islamist terrorism and the availability of WMDs in the modern world will bring down up us. The catastrophe that is in progress is, of course, the world-wide, anti-life, anti-family, anti-human nature juggernaut that has already taken the lives of innocent humanity by the billions. Not dealing with that in a realistic manner commensurate with its urgency -- not dealing with bloody carnage kept hidden from us, but that we know quite well is taking place -- will eventually bring down upon us bloody carnage we will be able to see all too well. Idolatry induces helpless befuddlement. We have rendered unto Caesar authority over innocent human life that belongs to God alone by our toleration of the state pretending to have the prerogative to authorize the killing of innocent humanity as a matter of social policy. This is the befuddled stupor from which John Paul II tried to awaken Christians and the West by his promulgation of Evangelium Vitae. Twenty-one years later, it seems, many remain fast asleep. I am afraid God will use Islamist terror to wake us up since our response to JP II's alarm was to silence it and go back to sleep.harry
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earthsinterface @7 (and others): Thank you for that extensive recap. Let me share my personal experience with a small part of another Scandinavian country -- Norway. My father at age 19 immigrated from Norway in 1929 along with a younger brother and a number of other young men from their home area along the Southwestern corner of Norway. Most settled in the Northwest US. Dad was the oldest of 10, and he and his brother left 8 siblings behind in very tough times in the "old country." Fast forwarding to more recent times, beginning in 1970, we met the first of those left behind -- a prince of a man, my uncle Haakon. Then in 1985 a cousin, his wife and two daughters visited. We then made our first of many trips to the "old country" in 1989 and discovered a treasure chest of family gems. Here's what we have found over the years. There is a unique and multifaceted closeness about this family (when I am there, there are 28 first cousins). There is a closeness within most, if not all, families. There is a closeness between families. There is a closeness between families in Norway and families in America -- we visit back and forth often. There is a closeness in the local church community across all generations. Though the "state church" is Lutheran, most of my family are active in a thriving independent church. There is a love for America and Americans. There is a love of Israel. I don't know if this little corner of Norway is unique within Norway -- I hope not. I hope that it is reflective of most of Norway. Even if not -- a bright, wholesome and healthy light radiates from that small costal community and its surrounding farm area that seems to infect all who visit and become acquainted with these wonderful people. Such is the power of faith.ayearningforpublius
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Axel (attn IE): It is time for truth. Unacknowledged guilt is a deeply corrupting influence that taints the course of our whole civilisation, especially over the past 500 years. Gold guilt, slave trade and kidnapping guilt, conquest guilt, oppression and colonisation guilt, sexual infidelity and perversion guilt, perjury guilt [guilt of dishonour and of secret tainting oaths and influences that undermine truth, right and justice], war guilt, blood guilt. Guilt of warping the very names of truth, knowledge, right, law, justice. And more. In the case of the USA the spreading taint of guilt over coming on 60 million innocent unborn children slaughtered under false colour of law, tainted law, corrupts and eats out everything else. There is a lot more guilt of this class but this is a watershed. And the global scale of the slaughter in the womb with connivance of law and medicine is in the hundreds to thousands of millions range. And the source for that estimate is the PP Guttmacher institute's global number of abortions per year, was it 50 millions? So, it is no surprise to see everything that guilt touches getting tainted, perverted, corrupted, eaten out by rottenness. That context is part of why we increasingly hate scripture as a civilisation and will manufacture any silly excuse to refuse to listen to it. Especially when it rebukes our sins. So, let me clip Isa 5 again:
Isa 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! 21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and shrewd in their own sight! 22 Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine, and valiant men in mixing strong drink, 23 who acquit the guilty for a bribe, and deprive the innocent of his right! 24 Therefore, as the tongue of fire devours the stubble, and as dry grass sinks down in the flame, so their root will be as rottenness, and their blossom go up like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord of hosts, and have despised the word of the Holy One of Israel. [ESV]
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ellazimm Well that means people dislike people for unjustified reasons or because of the truth. What do you say what not true in my statement? These things can and should be scored. Whats the score and who scores!!Robert Byers
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The US is in a class of its own for lords of misrule and the dystopian ethos they have fomented. 'When justice leaves a society, what are its rulers but mighty bands of robbers.' - St Augustine of Hippo Augustine certainly knew a thing or two. Human nature doesn't change, either.Axel
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Indiana Effigy: I’m not very smart. Yes, we can tell. You can't even use correct spelling.Mung
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IE, it is quite clear that you are playing with evolutionary materialist, secular humanist agendas without understanding the underlying issues, world view assumptions and break-downs, or where those things will -- on a lot of bloody and painful history -- likely end up if unchecked. I note to you that this worldview is amoral, nihilistic, self-falsifying through multiple self contradictions, and more. All of which can be substantiated in detail. In particular, it is more than possible to object to various fashionable agenda items proposed by such without being an ignoramus or bigot or irrational. Which is what you assumed in your remarks above. KFkairosfocus
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KF :"EZ, FYI, RB is Canadian. KF" That just proves that Canada also has crazies. I strongly suspect that Monserrat also has their share.Indiana Effigy
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KF: "IE, care to substantiate the implicit claim that there are no principled, informed objections to the ever onward radical secularist agenda? That morality is radically and absolutely relative and that therefore moral accountability rooted in laws of our nature in-stamped per creation order is absurd? Whilst, preserving responsible, rational freedom? That, might and manipulation make “right” and “truth” etc is a road to sound community? KF" I'm not very smart. Please use words and grammar that make sense. I simply claimed that nobody has ever claimed that Denmark is a secular paradise, just that the fear mongering by those too ignorant to make rational comments (eg. Homosexuality, gay marriage, euthanasia, etc.), cannot support their "dire consequences" with facts. For example, SSM has been legal for over a decade, and none of the dire consequences by people like you have occurred.Indiana Effigy
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F/N: Plato, 2350 years ago, warned:
Ath. . . .[The avant garde philosophers and poets, c. 360 BC] say that fire and water, and earth and air [i.e the classical "material" elements of the cosmos], all exist by nature and chance, and none of them by art . . . [such that] all that is in the heaven, as well as animals and all plants, and all the seasons come from these elements, not by the action of mind, as they say, or of any God, or from art, but as I was saying, by nature and chance only [ --> that is, evolutionary materialism is ancient and would trace all things to blind chance and mechanical necessity] . . . . [Thus, they hold] that the principles of justice have no existence at all in nature, but that mankind are always disputing about them and altering them; and that the alterations which are made by art and by law have no basis in nature, but are of authority for the moment and at the time at which they are made.-
[ --> Relativism, too, is not new; complete with its radical amorality rooted in a worldview that has no foundational IS that can ground OUGHT, leading to an effectively arbitrary foundation only for morality, ethics and law: accident of personal preference, the ebbs and flows of power politics, accidents of history and and the shifting sands of manipulated community opinion driven by "winds and waves of doctrine and the cunning craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming . . . " cf a video on Plato's parable of the cave; from the perspective of pondering who set up the manipulative shadow-shows, why.]
These, my friends, are the sayings of wise men, poets and prose writers, which find a way into the minds of youth. They are told by them that the highest right is might,
[ --> Evolutionary materialism -- having no IS that can properly ground OUGHT -- leads to the promotion of amorality on which the only basis for "OUGHT" is seen to be might (and manipulation: might in "spin") . . . ]
and in this way the young fall into impieties, under the idea that the Gods are not such as the law bids them imagine; and hence arise factions [ --> Evolutionary materialism-motivated amorality "naturally" leads to continual contentions and power struggles influenced by that amorality at the hands of ruthless power hungry nihilistic agendas], these philosophers inviting them to lead a true life according to nature, that is,to live in real dominion over others [ --> such amoral and/or nihilistic factions, if they gain power, "naturally" tend towards ruthless abuse and arbitrariness . . . they have not learned the habits nor accepted the principles of mutual respect, justice, fairness and keeping the civil peace of justice, so they will want to deceive, manipulate and crush -- as the consistent history of radical revolutions over the past 250 years so plainly shows again and again], and not in legal subjection to them.
It seems to m that we are beginning to live out what was already warned against that long ago on very painful and bloodily costly experience. KFkairosfocus
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EZ, FYI, RB is Canadian. KFkairosfocus
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IE, care to substantiate the implicit claim that there are no principled, informed objections to the ever onward radical secularist agenda? That morality is radically and absolutely relative and that therefore moral accountability rooted in laws of our nature in-stamped per creation order is absurd? Whilst, preserving responsible, rational freedom? That, might and manipulation make "right" and "truth" etc is a road to sound community? KFkairosfocus
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I don't recall anyone suggesting that Denmark or the other Scandinavian countries were secular paradises. The only time that I have seen people try to make these types of comparisons is when uninformed (usually willfully uninformed) try to make claims about the dire consequences that would happen if the government swung further to the left, or became more secular, or legalized marijuana, or euthanasia, or gay marriage. These countries have been used as examples that their ignorant fear mongering has no basis in fact. Nobody has said that those countries didn't have problems.Indiana Effigy
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Well here are my first hand living in Scandinavia thoughts on your bullet points. "1. Latin Americans are actually the world’s happiest people; Danes are the world’s most contented people." Well this is where the definition of happiness does come into play. It's similar to the way humans judge Nature based on human understanding of what is wrong and right, good and bad, etc. For example 'parasites' are evil therefore a designer would not have made them. But on a Happiness definition, industrial nations people tend to judge based on material possessions which they often equate with quality of life. Hispanics, whom I worked with and around for almost 30+ years near the Mexican border may not have much, but what they do have they share and place high value on family and friends. In Scandinavia close immediate families drift apart and cousins and other extended family members are rarely thought of, of course there are exceptions. Possible reasons are the modern enlightened family structure in Scandinavia. Families are defined in many ways here, for example the term "Sambo" means people who shack-up and want to play house without the benefit of marriage is very common here. But the Swedish government does force parents to provide for any children which result from such an arrangement as this. But the traditional family doesn't really exist and like other countries divorce is high even when they choose that relationship route. "2. The success of Sweden and Denmark is due to its social homogeneity and its Protestant work ethic, rather than socialism." Well, scratch Homogenity as that is fizzling fast as the News Reports of massive uncontrolled disorganized chaotic immigration are exposing. The only Socialism on the rise here is National Socialism, but that is true now of almost any European country now days. I'm not really sure what 'Protestant Work Ethic" means anymore since most of the indigenous homogenous Scandinavians are not religious in the conventional sense, they are secular and basically worship the state and science, which like the United States does not like being questioned. "3. Scandinavian societies are egalitarian, but they also tend to stifle individuality." In Scandinavian language they have a term which goes way back [I think before Socialism] called, "Lagom" which means moderate, just right, equality for all, not too much - not too little, etc. Except that's not how the leadership lives life [gee what a surprise that is - not]. For example when I first moved here, extreme socialist [almost Communist when it came to wanting to tax people to death] Göran Persson was Prime Minister of Sweden. His wife ran Sweden's Systembaloget (government run & controlled booze stores). Both were filthy rich, supposedly something evil from their ideological viewpoint. It was after he lost his re-election run that he and his wife were criticized for purchasing a several million dollar mansion and estate with acreage outside of Stockholm. He replied that people didn't understand what important people he and his wife were and they needed such residency to entertain important foreign dignataries, etc. One more that on your point about stifling individuality. To sum up, Scandinavia, [Sweden Especially) is a lot like one of those "Free-Thought" Forums. You are welcome to join in and think freely as long as it conforms to all the other free-thinkers within their little universe. "4. Denmark and Sweden have their own social problems." They are equal to all other countries on the planet in this, but they've always had a better public relations face of hiding it better than other nations. Like other nations on Earth, there is no unity within and it's spiraling downward. With more and more immigrants coming in who are running from oppressive regimes, etc, they also are carrying with them all their cultural, religious and political baggage with them. They want a country within all these various E.U. countries and Scandinavia is no different. I believe just last year somewhere between 300-400 youth, born in Swedn to immigrant parents went to Syria to fight for ISIS. Neo-Nazism is on a powerful rise here and they clash in violent protests with Communists group who are as equally as violent. Protests and demonstrations are a regular way of life here in major city centers and squares. There are so many that most of you over in the States never hear about this stuff. "5. Sweden also has a shocking record of violating individual liberties." Again, Scandinavia is like one of those typical Free Thought forums where freethinking is allowed as long as it is identical to the forum moderator's freethought. You are correct on the children being taken from parents for home schooling, often times from visiting immigrants who have residency permits for a couple of years while the do IT work for Volvo as was the case with one India family who were leaving back to India from the Stockholm airport and had their children taken because of some State violations in that regards. Germany is the same, it's they State which must educate children not parents, it's against the law and could bring prison. There are other ways in which indoctrination is accomplished, especially with getting new immigrants to change their worldview on morailty. I can understand some thing, but in government run landguage classes, showing flims with pornographic segments in it is how they attempt to change the moral character of their new citizens. In fact even in public schools, we recently had some friends from Africa who were upset about a filthy film showing homosexual men having anal sex as part of their AIDS prevention message. These open views on sexuality have always been a part of Sweden, but they are becoming more openly graphic and ridiculous. Some years back they gave a taxpayer funded grant to a Film Producer who specializes in Lesbian porno films, $68,000 dollar grant because it was for free speech. They were even one of the last countries to ban child porn and the reason it was sold publicly is because of Free Speech. Now if someone wishes to view child porn, some large city libraries carry it because it's considered free speech. Of course the rights of kids are violated, but what the hey. There are a lot of screwy abnormalities about Scandinavia despite the sugar coatings by ideologues. Noray who experienced one of the most horrific mass killings by that Neo-Nazi who murdered 84 people was given a 21 year sentence, even though the 84 people he killed, their families and friends all got life sentences. The stupidity with which they coddle criminals with punishment is sickening and the criminals take advantage of this. Okay, I apologize for the lengthy Vtorley style comment post, but trust me, this is just the tip of the iceberg. The reality is they are no more superior than most other countries and are as equally of not worse in the hypocrite department when it comes to neutrality stance. Especially when it comes to the manufacture of munnitions of which the use to be #7, but recently dropped to #9 with Afghanistan and Iraq wars not in full fighting mode.earthsinterface
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Robert #5
The happiest people have always been in the English speaking nations.
Let inferior to the anglo american civilization.
Everybody wants to live in america and canada and not sweden or Denmark.
It's this kind of attitude which makes a lot of Europeans dislike Americans.ellazimm
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The happiest people have always been in the English speaking nations. its just that foreign peoples coming in who don't assimilate fail to be as happy. Scan nations are inded just a very controlled demographic. Or rather they are all middle class people. I agree it was the protestent motivation that le to a higher moral and intellectual standard and so wealth standard relative to europe. NOT a work ethic. just a curve in nice and smart. Let inferior to the anglo american civilization. you can score and thats the point of the thread. I agree pumping them up is because they are seen as liberal capitalitistic democracies and not conservative cap dems. Everybody wants to live in america and canada and not sweden or Denmark. They are just ordinary stable middle class suburban Toronto and don't have the extrems on the curves as Toronto. In other words they have no Barak Obama problems to make everyone less happy.Robert Byers
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People in a democracy are never going to be happy because the minority classes have to be given their rights. Some of the oppressed classes have to be helped along with laws favoring them - this creates resentment in the majority.Me_Think
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Panama in the news. The Panama PapersMung
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