He said it: Good explanations are “the source of all progress”

I'll drink to that, Charles. And greetings to you, too, Nulla. Holy smokes, you've really risen in the ranks of UD and Telic Thoughts authors since last I logged on! Congratulations! Try not to spend all those big bucks you're making at once, okay? :-) Lutepisc

Lutepisc: I had you pegged as sarcastic. I was being sarcastic. Sarcasm directed against the author/article that had the hubris to presume all (or even most/much) progress is sourced in science, when science is not technology, and scientists are not inventors, engineers, businessmen, etc, to whom much (if the not the lion's share) of the credit for progress belongs, and I listed a handful of what are arguably the most transformative inventions. That you did not recognize this as sarcasm is really ok, and I took no offense. My sarcasm is often misconstrued. But then I think sarcasm, like a good martini, is best served very dry. Charles

Okay...sorry, Charles. I had you pegged as sarcastic. If you were shooting straight with your post, then I agree with you... Lutepisc

nullasalus: Instead the sources were varied: Engineers. Businessmen. Inventors. Highlighting the divide between science and technology. You have me pegged exactly right. Charles

Lutepisc, First of all, nice to see you around again. Second, while I can't be sure what Charles is thinking, perhaps his claim is that "science" was not directly responsible for the telephone, the light bulb, the airplane, the automobile, etc. Instead the sources were varied: Engineers. Businessmen. Inventors. Highlighting the divide between science and technology. But hey, Charles can speak for himself. I'm curious if I have him pegged right. nullasalus

Way to put up a straw man, Charles. No one's arguing that science isn't responsible for any progress at all. But to assert that science is the source for anything and everything that we label "progress" is indeed incompetent hubris. The straw man comes courtesy of David Deutsch in this case. Thanks, David! Lutepisc

Many thanks for the good wishes, Upright. I've had to resort to downloading the main posts via a news aggregator, which has cut waaay down on the time I spend following UD and other ID-related sites. I'm still as interested as ever, but needed (badly!) to rearrange my time. Every now and then I see an article that prompts me to log on to UD, and I've taken note many times of your well-crafted posts. I'm delighted that there are people like you who can keep up the good work in view of people like me who need to hang back a little. But thank you again for your kind words! Carry on! Lutepisc

Yeah. Because it was "scientists" who were the source for the telephone, lightbulb, airplane, automobile, PC.... Geeze Louise. The smug, incompetent hubris of some of these people. Charles

Hello Lutepisc, I haven't seen your posts in a while. Hope you'll stick around. Upright BiPed

Erm...excuse me? All progress? What about the accomplishments of the civil rights movement in the U.S. in the 60's? Was that progress? And was science the source of it? Why are all science writers blind to the limitations of science? Lutepisc