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Father Michal Heller, 72, a Polish priest-cosmologist and a onetime associate of Archbishop Karol Wojtyla, the future pope, was named March 12 as the winner of the Templeton Prize.

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0801398.htm

In this recent interview came a critique of the intelligent design position as bad theology, akin to the Manichean heresy. Fr. Heller puts forth this rather strange argument as follows:

“They implicitly revive the old manicheistic error postulating the existence of two forces acting against each other: God and an inert matter; in this case, chance and intelligent design.”

Coming from a theologian, this is an astonishing summary of the Manichean heresy. Historically Manichæism is a form of dualism: that good and evil were equal and opposite forces, locked in an eternal struggle. In this distortion, the role of the all-powerful evil is replaced by chance? It is traditional Christian teaching that God forms (i.e. designs) creation. Does this make God the arch-rival of chanciness? It is difficult to see how the intelligent design perspective could possibly be contrary to Catholic teaching. For example, St. Thomas Aquinas speaks in his Summa of God explicitly as the great designer of the creation:

“… the “Spirit of God” Scripture usually means the Holy Ghost, Who is said to “move over the waters,” not, indeed, in bodily shape, but as the craftsman’s will may be said to move over the material to which he intends to give a form.”

The ID point of view is such a minimalist position it is amazing to see the charge of heresy– it simply does not have the philosophical meat necessary to begin to make this kind of theological accusation.

There are some points that Fr. Heller raises that are entirely consistent with an ID point of view:

“There is no opposition here. Within the all-comprising Mind of God what we call chance and random events is well composed into the symphony of creation.” But “God is also the God of chance events,” he said. “From what our point of view is, chance — from God’s point of view, is … his structuring of the universe.”

In this quote, he is basically saying the there is no such thing as fundamental chance, only apparent chance. The apparent noise is really a beautiful tapestry viewed from the wrong side. Of course if there were discernable structure, then we could … well … discern it (this is the whole point of ID). The problem here is that Fr. Heller does not have a self-consistent position that one can argue or agree with, as his next quote shows:

“As an example, Father Heller said, “birth is a chance event, but people ascribe that to God. People have much better theology than adherents of intelligent design. The chance event is just a part of God’s plan.”

Now if I were picking from a list of random events to use as my illustration of chance acting in the world, childbirth would not be one of them. Does he mean the timing of birth, or the act of conception, or the forming of the child? If anything this is an extremely well-choreographed event that has very little to do with chanciness of any flavor. Here he seems to be going back, and saying that chance is real (not just apparent) – but God intends to have it that way. Once again, the ID position can also be reconciled with the existence of fundamental chance, but not fundamental chance as the only thing that exists in the universe.

In this interview, Fr. Heller does not seem to have a sophisticated view of how randomness can work together with intelligence, he also does not seem to have read any books by design advocates – the arguments he makes are directed to nonexistent opponents. For a physicist/theologian that is giving an interview upon the reception of his Templeton award, the only physics/theology that is offered is internally confused, and based on caricatures of the ID argument. My feeling is that if he actually read and considered the ID arguments we might find a kindred spirit.

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p.s. When I responded to garygagliardi, I had not refreshed my page and so had not seen the response by StephenB until after I had posted mine. Nevertheless, it is obvious that I agree with StephenB and that we are independently making the same central point. [BTW, I also agree with Gerry that StephenB's earlier posts were also well said.]ericB
April 2, 2008
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garygagliardi (10): "I think you are missing Heller’s point. He is saying that what you call chance and randomness do not exist separate from God’s action. What we call a “chance” event and what appears as “chance” from our perspective is, from God’s perspective, certainty" Even understanding that as Heller's point, his point is completely irrelevant to the question of the inference to intelligent agency. It shows his misunderstanding. If something could be explained by chance (completely regardless of whatever God's relationship to chance might be), then the inference to intelligent agency is not supported. Intelligent agency is the best inference to make, if and only if, the effect in question cannot be reasonably explained by combinations of law and chance. In that case, we infer the third option, choice (i.e. detectable intelligent agency). It would be a mistake (one Heller appears to make) to think ID is delineating between God and nature. ID delineates between the undirected causation (i.e. law and chance) and directed causation (i.e. choice) that is empirically detectable. That is why it is appropriately termed an inference to intelligent design (not to God design). It applies anywhere directed causation can be distinguished from undirected causes, including but not limited to cases where the intelligent agent could be God. The error of materialists is to prejudicially exclude this inference only in those cases where the intelligent agent could be God.ericB
April 2, 2008
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Sorry, I did not separate the commenet from the response in that last paragraph. -----Yes, variations in organism occur and, yes, the environment interactions with organizations to “select” variations. However, both the type of variations possible and the type of environments that the universe allows are NOT random, but tightly restricted by the laws of science, i.e. the mind of God." That is always a possibility, but it is a theological assumption that is not based in empirical observation. Again, it is telling that theistic evolutionists attempt to refute intelligent design by ignoring the science and appealing to theology. What our unqualified experience tells us is that once law and chance has been eliminated, intelligent agency is the best explanation. That is not an assumption.StephenB
April 2, 2008
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garygagliardi: Thanks for your comments. Although you seem to be responding to allanius, I will offer my thoughts anyway. -----You wrote, “I think you are missing Heller’s point. He is saying that what you call chance and randomness do not exist separate from God’s action. What we call a “chance” event and what appears as “chance” from our perspective is, from God’s perspective, certainty.” Our inability to get into the mind of God is not related to the methodology of a design inference, which detects the EFFECTS of an intelligent agency. Intelligence leaves clues. When we observe pictures and symbols in what appears to be a cave man’s dwelling, we conclude that natural laws interacting with chance events probably did not cause the event to happen. As an inference to the best explanation, we conclude that the artifact is most likely explained by intelligent agency. This has nothing to do with our perspective about God’s perspective. ---The problem with ID is that it has bought into the materialists’ basic assumption: that the material world has its rules and God has his rules and the two are somehow separated. ID proposes that you can tell where one stops and the other begins at the limits of Darwinian evolution. Again, ID doesn’t do this. ID merely points out that there are only three possible causes for any event, law, chance, and intelligent agency. It is not an “assumption;” it is a demonstrable fact that we have discovered as a result of living in a rational universe. It did it begin with Dembski, Meyer, and Behe, it began with the Greeks. As far as I know, no one has ever refuted the point or even challenged it. ID is empirically based, meaning that its conclusions follow from observations. . -----“ID is right when it says that there are clear limits to what can be swept under that rug. ID is wrong when it accepts elements of that rug (for example, godless chance and truly random variation) as facts that can determine those limits.” ID as a methodology could be wrong, and its advocates allow for that possibility. The modern theory of evolution could also be wrong, but its advocates are incapable of admitting much less confronting that obvious fact. In any case, the preponderance of the evidence is on the side of intelligent design. It is telling that neo-Darwinism has become so corrupt that it dares not challenge its own paradigm, a sure sign that science is being compromised. -----Yes, variations in organism occur and, yes, the environment interactions with organizations to “select” variations. However, both the type of variations possible and the type of environments that the universe allows are NOT random, but tightly restricted by the laws of science, i.e. the mind of God. That is always a possibility, but it is a theological assumption that is not based in empirical observation. Again, it is telling that theistic evolutionists attempt to refute intelligent design by ignoring the science and appealing to theology. What our unqualified experience tells us is that once law and chance has been eliminated, intelligent agency is the best explanation. That is not an assumption.StephenB
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Gerry, thanks for the kind words on #11 and #12. The comments alluded to on #13 came from the well-written opinion of garygagliardi, the substance of which I am about to take issue. 3StephenB
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StephenB says, "However, both the type of variations possible and the type of environments that the universe allows are NOT random, but tightly restricted by the laws of science, i.e. the mind of God." Elegantly said.Gerry Rzeppa
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StephenB says, "The problem with the materialists is that they want to believe that what we understand is all that exists." I agree again. And I think this tendency to oversimplify while scoffing at all the really important things that can't be explained with a test tube or a formula -- like faith, hope, and love -- is just another manifestation of fallen man's pertinacious desire to "be as God." After all, we can't really be in charge until we have a "theory of everything," right?Gerry Rzeppa
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StephenB says, "...if, as all the great scientists have believed, God created a rational universe, then researchers can, as it were, “think God’s thoughts after him.” That means that there is still enough correspondence between God’s rationality and ours that randomness means the same thing for God as it does for us. Why think otherwise? We don’t say that God thinks of “laws” in a radically differently than we do, so why would we talk that way about chance events? It can only serve one purpose — to create the impression that the universe is not rational after all, the very antithesis of natural theology and science." I agree. God's thoughts might be higher than ours, "as the heavens are higher than the earth", Isaiah 55:9, but God never says they're radically different in kind than ours. Just the opposite, in fact, having made us "in His image."Gerry Rzeppa
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I think you are missing Heller's point. He is saying that what you call chance and randomness do not exist separate from God's action. What we call a "chance" event and what appears as "chance" from our perspective is, from God's perspective, certainty. I love the ID proponent's battle with the atheists who promote Darwin and the materialism as an alternative to God. I love the fact that only ID points out the these people are confusing materialism with science. The problem with ID is that it has bought into the materialists' basic assumption: that the material world has its rules and God has his rules and the two are somehow separated. ID proposes that you can tell where one stops and the other begins at the limits of Darwinian evolution. Heller's point is that this is a false dichotomy. What we are seeing is what we understand of God's work(the rules of science) and what we do not understand. Some of what we do not understand, we may never understand. There is no separation between these things in the real world. The only limit is the boundary of our understanding and possibly another boundary about limiting what we CAN EVER understand. The problem with the materialists is that they want to believe that what we understand is all that exists. Their need for Darwin is the need for a rug under which they can sweep everything that cannot be understood. Their only goal, however, is to deny the existence of Mystery and God. Their claim that sweeping ignorance under the Darwinian rug is somehow good for science is laughable on its face if only because it must deny the only thing that we are certain of and remains the biggest Mystery: our own self-awareness. ID is right when it says that there are clear limits to what can be swept under that rug. ID is wrong when it accepts elements of that rug (for example, godless chance and truly random variation) as facts that can determine those limits. Yes, variations in organism occur and, yes, the environment interactions with organizations to "select" variations. However, both the type of variations possible and the type of environments that the universe allows are NOT random, but tightly restricted by the laws of science, i.e. the mind of God.garygagliardi
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The cause of Father Heller’s incendiary rhetoric can be found in his distinction between “apparent gaps” and “genuine gaps” in human knowledge, which forms the basis of his shtick...er, argument. An “apparent gap” might be the inability to account for DNA by purely natural processes. According to him, all such gaps can be filled in by science. “Genuine gaps,” on the other hand, are areas where science cannot go, such as epistemology and ontology, as well as something called...oh, never mind. The need to defend his argument and preserve this distinction translates into fierce opposition to the God of the Gaps in science, which, in his view, is the essence of ID. Heller is Catholicism’s answer to Gould and his “magisteria.” Gould pretended to be conciliatory to theologians, but in fact he slyly handed the laurels to himself and his fellow scientists by implying that they were dealing with reality while theologians were fantasists. Similarly, Heller makes himself out to be a friend of science by conceding the realm of nature and disowning the God of the Gaps, but his distinction cleverly reserves the highest place for theologians by suggesting that their search for meaning goes beyond the “boundaries” of science. This strategy may strike some observers as being too clever by half. First, Heller’s eagerness to cozy up to Gould and his atheist gang causes him to be too unkind to his fellow believers; in this case to Behe and Wells, whose critique of materialistic science is based at least in part on reference to gaps in our knowledge of nature. This critique must be sternly repudiated in order to maintain the tidy distinction between apparent and genuine gaps—hence the harsh rhetoric of “the old manicheistic error.” Second, Heller may be a little too eager to give away the store. Is it really true, as his argument suggests, that all of the gaps can be filled in by materialistic science? This view is starting to look a little old-fashioned in light of current research. The confidence in the explanatory power of science once exuded by Gould and Hawking has degenerated into comic book posturing in Dawkins and his garrulous friends. In short, Father Heller may be making an accommodation just at the moment when accommodation is no longer necessary.allanius
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I have several problems with Fr. Heller’s formulations. First, he is assuming that because God can create some things through contingency, he creates all things that way. On the contrary, it would seem that God creates through [A] physical laws interacting with chance events and [B] design. Thus, using [A] God creates moon craters and snowflakes and using [B] God creates a DNA molecules. Further, if, as all the great scientists have believed, God created a rational universe, then researchers can, as it were, “think God’s thoughts after him.” That means that there is still enough correspondence between God’s rationality and ours that randomness means the same thing for God as it does for us. Why think otherwise? We don’t say that God thinks of “laws” in a radically differently than we do, so why would we talk that way about chance events. It can only serve one purpose---to create the impression that the universe is not rational after all, the very antithesis of natural theology and science. Moreover, Fr. Heller’s main objection is not relevant in any way to the discussion about intelligent design. The first and most obvious point is that Manichean dualism is not synonymous with theistic dualism; the former characterizes spirit as good and matter as evil, the latter simply describes two realms as a composite description of reality. In that respect, ID and Catholic theology are compatible. In spite of his confident tone, Fr. Heller’s does not appear to have given this matter much thought. Indeed, I suspect that he is not even on speaking terms with the methodology of design inference. Since I am a Catholic who is acquainted with Catholic theology, I will make another point. Fr. Heller is one of many Catholic theistic evolutionists who have gone out of their way to downgrade ID. It seems to me that they begin by accepting the Darwinian formulation of law/chance and then they plug God into that paradigm as a kind of footnote. To make it work, they insist that God stacked the deck so that life would evolve solely by chance. Somehow, God “designed” a non-design universe, except that the design is inherent in the evolutionary process. Huh? What are we to make out of that? Life is designed, except that it isn’t? Evolution is directed, except that it isn’t? Life has purpose, except that it doesn’t? In truth, Theistic evolutionists are Christian Darwinists. What is a Christian Darwinist except someone who has integrated Darwinism with Christian Theology? It all sounds so eminently reasonable except for one thing. TE’s totally reject the Biblical teaching that design is “manifest,” and they totally accept the Darwinist scheme that design is “illusory.” That means of course that their Christianity is not RECONCILED WITH but is rather SUBORDINATED TO their Darwinism. Every theistic evolutionist I have ever met questions the Biblical story of Adam and Eve, insisting that we had thousands of first parents. If pressed, I suspect that many of them would question the doctrine of original sin as well. Translation: They want their God and their Darwin; but they want a quiet God and a loud DarwinStephenB
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To understand Fr. Heller's position, I think you have to assume that he's saying that the wonderful diversity and richness of life that is evident in our wolrd is the result of "chance and necessity" (physical laws interacting with chance events), and that even what appears as chance is part of the Divine Purpose for life. I think very few of us here at UD would disagree with that position. But it always gets back to the matter of degree, doesn't it---that is, the degree to which this proposition is true; or, to put it another way, it's a matter of where the "edge of evolution" lays? Fr. Heller seems unaware of the magnitude of probabilities involved in macroevolution (let alone OOL), as well as such things as the UPB---an Upper Probability Bound, BTW, that has NOT been defined by(just simply used by) IDists. So, as his royal highness, the Lord of Ickenham has stated, I, too, suspect that Fr. Heller would be more conducive to ID once he investigates it.PaV
April 2, 2008
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"everyone seems confused about just what ID" Isn't that partly what the movie Expelled is about? That the Darwinian elites will not allow it to be taught, researched or even discussed?DeepDesign
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For previous discussions, see: Michael Heller, this year’s Templeton Prize winner, on ID See: extracts of Michal Heller's book: Creative Tension: Essays on Science and Religion (2003) Further see Heller's publications etc PS Seeing this was posted on April 2nd (not 1st), I found I needed to further my education on Lord Ickenham, especially considering the English!DLH
April 2, 2008
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Good points Nullasalus. I will check out Father Heller's work.DeepDesign
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Well, Heller says they implicitly revive the manichean heresy - I don't think he's arguing ID proponents are actually duplicating it. Instead, he's arguing that you can't discern design in the universe by dividing things into categories of 'God did this' and 'God did not do this' - so God is not struggling to bring design out of chance. The chance is designed. I'm not sure he's asserting the existence of fundamental chance with regards to birth either - it seems to me like apparent chance again, but then, I really have to read his books. Speaking of which, I do agree that ID could appeal to a broader category of people than it does now - everyone seems confused about just what ID covers categorically (myself included). And, if anyone is interested in Heller's writings, some of them are available in portion via links on Templeton's site.nullasalus
April 2, 2008
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By the way. I love the name, Lord Ickenham Haha.DeepDesign
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I thought that the traditional view of Christianity was that there was visible signs of God's handiwork in the universe. If anything God of Chance style evolution is the heresy. Question is. Why does ID get such bad press? Maybe John McCain is right, and Americans are too cynical.DeepDesign
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