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Image result for yoga mat public domain image From Philip Ball at New Scientist:

The idea that we create reality seems absurd. But an audacious new take on quantum theory suggests the fundamental laws of nature emerge from our own experiences

That woo-woo has been around forever, or at least since the last remnants of the Stone Age. It was one of the things people had to fight, to get science off the ground.

Now some are contemplating a mind-boggling alternative: that a coherent description of reality, with all its quantum quirks, can arise from nothing more than random subjective experiences. It looks like the “perspective of a madman”, says the author of this bold new theory, because it compels us to abandon any notion of fundamental physical laws. But if it stands up, it would not only resolve some deep puzzles about quantum mechanics, it would turn our deepest preconceptions about reality itself inside out. (paywall) More.

Many naturalists must be looking for that exit just now. After all, nature, as defined today, cannot be all there is. Science demonstrates that.

Quantum mechanics doesn’t tell us that we make everything real unless that is the only way we can see it.

So why does scientism always seem to end up in mysticism’s illegal booze can?

Note: We extend a sincere apology to the manufacturers of yoga mats, most of whose occupants have more sense than what we describe above.

See also: Biophysicist Kirk Durston: Canada’s governor general as a highly visible example of scientism

and

Post-modern science: The illusion of consciousness sees through itself

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KF, I'm currently reading the Zebest article as well. I doubt I will spend an hour to watch the youtube video, however. What do you make of the higher resolution image Arduini discusses on pp 4--5? What is its origin?daveS
November 23, 2017
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DS, the cluster of five blocks in common is telling. Second, the pattern of layering is not characteristic of a simple scanned PDF, as in there is a bottom layer and there are text manipulation artifacts. Note too the contrast with ABC's blue background version as discussed in what I linked. The article linked at 80 is little more than a breezy appeal to authority in dismissal. I await your response to the specifics in the articles I linked and in the vid WJM linked. Meanwhile, the presence of evidence of manipulation that would be removed by a simple forger who knows what he is doing, leads me to infer a moths to flame distract and discredit agit prop game backed by media dominance able to enforce a narrative. That fits with a much wider pattern of manipulation of the public by elite factions, e.g. on Mr Obama's "Community Organizer" background, the abortion holocaust under false colour of law and rights, the injection of perversities into law, proper understanding of what fascism is, suppression of the record of the democides of communism and much more. And so, back to where are the speakeasies. KF PS: Conspiracies are common place, including at top levels. The broad-brush dismissive use of the term "conspiracy theories" without reference to issues of sound evidence is in my view manipulative. Conventional wisdoms and dominant narratives too often embed crucial errors or even manipulation. The question is always warrant.kairosfocus
November 23, 2017
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KF, Have you looked at the document I linked to in #80? Looks like it poses serious problems for the Zebest article.daveS
November 23, 2017
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KF, They claim to have significant evidence.daveS
November 23, 2017
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DS, Arpaio may or may not have political motives. He and others do have some significant evidence, and that evidence points to something seriously fishy about the document. Try the precise alignment of five text boxes in layers across two documents as a start. As a simple fraud would not have the sort of blunders we see, that leaves the distractor and tainting game -- moths to a flame effect -- on the table; where ability to do this sort of trick is enabled by media dominance so the narrative will fall on the polarised party lines. As can already be seen in how his marxian agit-prop operative background was not seriously and soberly discussed in the media. I don't think this operation is at the level of the folks who swallowed the Texas Air National Guard letter c 1970 typed with MS Word, as came out back in 2004 was it and cost Dan Rather his job. KFkairosfocus
November 23, 2017
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KF, I don't believe such a strategy was involved in this case. To be clear, I don't think the birth certificate was forged at all. The idea that an obvious fake was released to discredit skeptics is massively implausible, IMO. *** Incidentally, have you applied a similar analysis to former Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio, who organized this investigation of a sitting president? The guy who was recently pardoned by Trump? I wonder if he has any political motivations...daveS
November 23, 2017
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DS, you further need to address that the underlying strategic assumption is media dominance so that objectors to the document etc could be marginalised, stereotyped, dismissively labelled and scapegoated for targetting. This directly reflects Weinstein's suppression of exposes by the aggrieved and media targetting of complainants and journalists who would not go along with the agenda. This is part of the widespread reek of corruption and it provides an explanation for why -- with the significant exception of the hated Roman Catholic Church -- we have not been seeing a regular, intense breaking of the nests of perverts, perps, speakeasies etc. connected to halls of power. Of course, that serves to create the perception that it is those hypocritical Christians who are the problem, when in fact the stench is coming from everywhere. In short there is a widespread problem that has distorted government, law, law enforcement, transparency, accountability and much more. This brings me right back to the number one case that seems to drive all others: the ongoing holocaust of living posterity in the womb, at 1 million more victims per week, sustained under false colour of law, rights etc, amounting to over 800+ million victims in 40+ years. Blood guilt taint directly connected to widespread breakdown of sexual morality, compounded by faulty population bomb analysis that failed to see effects of demographic collapse compounded by mass blood guilt. We are the worst generation since antediluvian days, we actually are worse than Hitler, Stalin, Mao et al. Innocent blood, rivers of it, cries up from the ground against us, cries out for justice. And it will be answered with a terrible judgement of a wicked civilisation. For, the level of corruption we see leads to warped judgement, marches of folly and go-over-the-cliff ruin. With nukes in play. How utterly demonically warped, shameless, benumbed in conscience, warped in mind and so how utterly inexcusably foolish we have become. Is there at least a remnant that will stand? KFkairosfocus
November 23, 2017
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DS, see the linked. Looks like McNamara's level. KFkairosfocus
November 22, 2017
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KF,
if simple fraud was intended, it would not have been amateur night overlooking to flatten layers.
I do agree that it's unlikely that they would release an obviously fake document if they intended it to pass as genuine.
It seems highly likely high level US officials manipulated the reports to indicate a clear attack, triggering the Resolution that led to full force US engagement.
Yes, that view is commonly held in the US.daveS
November 22, 2017
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DS, It smells of agit-prop distractor, judging by my experience -- if simple fraud was intended, it would not have been amateur night overlooking to flatten layers. Second, the USNI article linked indicates US-SVN actions set up the first Tonkin attack (which could likely have been understood by the NVN military to be defense against continued attacks) and that the second was likely panic reaction to sensor ghosts, with attempts to correct initial record. It seems highly likely high level US officials manipulated the reports to indicate a clear attack, triggering the Resolution that led to full force US engagement. KFkairosfocus
November 22, 2017
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KF, So you think that the Obama administration might have deliberately designed the scan to look like a forgery? FYI, in the US, it is considered to be quite likely that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was initiated by US forces.daveS
November 22, 2017
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DS, I am now much more suspicious of this document similar to my suspicions regarding the Gulf of Tonkin incident and the behaviour of McNamara et al at that time. This is as opposed to holding a particular view on the actual birth facts for Mr Obama. I am quite aware the half bro has said things and I believe produced a document, but that is not directly relevant. For, I am even more aware that it is well within the Alinsky methods to set up a tempting distraction and keep it burning especially if one can use it to make the targetted parties seem to be foolish or worse to those you wish to harden against them. Remember, I cut my eyeteeth on agit prop operators and I know Mr Obama was trained to be just such -- as his job title Community Organiser, implies. {Why wasn't that properly highlighted, headlined and seriously discussed at the sort of sustained length that would gain general attention?) What the pattern I see and suspect leads me to believe is that we have not been dealing with straightforward people of truth who seek peace with neighbour, but instead high level agit prop operators. Five moves ahead multidimensional chess. The ever deepening polarisation I see is thus yet another indicator of the peril of our time. KFkairosfocus
November 22, 2017
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KF, Do you therefore believe the birth certificate was forged?daveS
November 22, 2017
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WJM, sobering. This is actually an application of the design inference explanatory filter. Beyond a reasonable threshold of functionally specific complex organisation and associated information, the only reasonable explanation is intelligently directed configuration. In this context the video indicates precise spatial alignments in layers in the document that match another document too consistently and closely in position and/or angles to be credibly blind chance and/or mechanical necessity. Sobering, and I just pointed to the Gulf of Tonkin incidents of 1944. KFkairosfocus
November 22, 2017
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H'mm: beginning of Vietnam War? https://www.usni.org/magazines/navalhistory/2008-02/truth-about-tonkin KFkairosfocus
November 22, 2017
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Ah yes, Arpaio's crack investigative team. I wonder if he'll actually jump into the senate race.daveS
November 22, 2017
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KF, As far as the birth certificate go, the layers are the least of its issues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk3KRxTfkLMWilliam J Murray
November 22, 2017
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DS, IIRC there are far more serious examples from the trove, you picked a case that is on the fringe of the focal cases. But that is not my main concern. My suspicion is that investigations on any number of things have been blocked, suppressed or diverted. But the point is, we will wait and see as something seems to be brewing. KFkairosfocus
November 22, 2017
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PS: I still don't see much disagreement between us on the allegations regarding the Podesta emails and the pizzeria. I also haven't disputed anything you have said about these "untouchables", so I'm not sure there is anything to argue about on this front. Perhaps there is more to discuss regarding the birth certificate issue.daveS
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KF, Yes, I'll take a look at the documents. I'm a little busy now, but should have some free time in the next few days.
When it comes to the issue of codes, I am not attaching to any particular conversation, I know that codes are put into songs, discussions and much more, even handshakes. Where, just as a cross reference, the artful use of double meanings is actually a major component of Calypso and Soca music. The latter word is in fact quite loaded, itself. A naive person could sing such a song in all simplicity but not realise how loaded the words in fact are. I gather this also held for some music etc in the speakeasy era. The current issue is, I repeat: the stench of corruption is all over the place, where are the bodies, where are the speakeasies, where are the busts?
Ok, but at some point one must set aside vague talk about "stenches" and become specific: "Is this particular location a 'speakeasy' or not?" This pizzeria allegedly is, and there is incriminating evidence in these emails according to some. However, I don't think those allegations are true, so IMO, it's likely going to be more productive to search for "speakeasies" elsewhere. And perhaps stop spreading this PizzaGate meme. I'm not stopping you from investigating anything, including the identities of these "untouchables". More power to you!daveS
November 22, 2017
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DS, I suggest you read the first two reports I linked which draw out how automatic layering differs from layering that is editorial: The former will create a characteristic pattern of many small layers, the latter will have layers that we can reasonably assign to purpose. Notice how the security paper background lives in one layer, which was removed in the ABC version and replaced by a light blue background. Then there are artifacts in layers that on removal reveal underlying details -- what a scan from a document cannot do as the overlay is what would be scanned. And, much more. When it comes to the issue of codes, I am not attaching to any particular conversation, I know that codes are put into songs, discussions and much more, even handshakes. Where, just as a cross reference, the artful use of double meanings is actually a major component of Calypso and Soca music. The latter word is in fact quite loaded, itself. A naive person could sing such a song in all simplicity but not realise how loaded the words in fact are. I gather this also held for some music etc in the speakeasy era. The current issue is, I repeat: the stench of corruption is all over the place, where are the bodies, where are the speakeasies, where are the busts? Methinks we are back to having effective untouchables -- I recall here how Krupp 2 was caught out and the Prussian police were complicit in cover ups, but too much leaked and he obviously committed suicide. KFkairosfocus
November 22, 2017
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KF,
BTW, you will see form the reports that there are many document characteristics that differ. In particular, producing a large number of layers by digitally scissoring up a doc is different from the layer patterns and artifacts we can see discussed in the linked.
I believe that's what the Frank Arduini piece I linked to in #80 addresses (I have yet to read it completely, however). He says such alterations occur when the pdf is compressed.
PS: Where are the speakeasies, and what is the evidence that warranted dismissal of the claimed or suggested or questioned case, and even if that is mistaken, ponder: what evidence is there on the codes on pizza and hot dogs etc?
Here's an example of one of these allegedly "coded" conversations. Try to imagine reading it before someone handed you the Secret Decoder Ring™. Does it look like the author is talking about trafficking in children, or perhaps just a holiday gift such as this? Of course there are many, many more emails that you can download from wikileaks. Admittedly I have only read a few of these that have appeared on various fora, but as of now, I have inferred that the best explanation is simply that these people are talking about food and other everyday things, and not about trafficking children. If you want to do your own sleuthing, you can search through Mr Podesta's hacked emails here There is a search feature that lets you filter the emails; the above link should give you messages with the word "pizza".daveS
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You cannot educate others on a subject they deliberately choose to remain ignorant about.William J Murray
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DS, BTW, you will see form the reports that there are many document characteristics that differ. In particular, producing a large number of layers by digitally scissoring up a doc is different from the layer patterns and artifacts we can see discussed in the linked. Just a note, not an invite to yet another rabbit trail. KF PS: Where are the speakeasies, and what is the evidence that warranted dismissal of the claimed or suggested or questioned case, and even if that is mistaken, ponder: what evidence is there on the codes on pizza and hot dogs etc? There is a stench of corruption, where are the bodies? There have to be a lot of them out there. And I am not so naive as to believe that the Roman Catholic Church is the primary and only place where there was pedophile penetration. Especially when heavily funded steps were taken with scouting to open it up to such penetration at legal gunpoint at almost the same time. Then there is the fiasco of UN backed "comprehensive sexuality education," with the hundred plus "genders: I have seen listed and with an obvious agenda of desensitisation, grooming and provision of opportunities for contact. Contrast again the current blow up on cases of accused sexual abuse, some well warranted, some maybe too much of panic, others likely being smear jobs or little more than witch hunts. This is why vigilantism is always dangerous. When the pitchforks, torches and nooses are out in force, justice is likely to be given short shrift indeed. And power elites can be just as guilty as the proverbial mob of yahoos. Show trials did not begin or end with Stalin.kairosfocus
November 22, 2017
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F/N: As CR raised the issue in 64 in another thread, I took the time to answer on points here: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/we-should-care-about-your-personal-incredulity-why-now/#comment-644023 KFkairosfocus
November 22, 2017
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daveS said:
That’s fine, but obviously we are not discussing PizzaGate in that case.
Then you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.William J Murray
November 21, 2017
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DS, it is very evident that I am speaking of corruption in high places and low, particularly manifest through sex abuse and networks including equivalents of prohibition era speakeasies. I keep asking where is the paper trail on consistent police busts and monsters sent to do hard time? That by and large absence is telling when the stench of the corruption is so widespread. BTW here, after decades two professionals are up for high court cases that might actually go somewhere. KFkairosfocus
November 21, 2017
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KF,
WJM is on to something, something that I suspect runs wide and deep across the world.
"Something" is not very specific. WJM explicitly names Podesta and Comet Ping Pong as being part of a child sex trafficking operation, whereas you prudently (IMO) have declined to jump on board as of yet.daveS
November 21, 2017
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DS, That's my point. Just like a chat with a retired policeman this afternoon. If there's a drugs trade passing through a country that's small, you have got to have some serious corruption somewhere, so where is it? That by and large we don't have a long list of well known busts cutting across the power centres (the Roman Catholic Church penetration by largely homosexual pedos is the major recent exception) is a case of the guard dog that didn't bark. Where are those speakeasies, what is their distribution, how many have been busted, who and whom have been nailed and are gone to gaol. There are far too few cases and it is taking far too long for even the tip of the iceberg to show. The Saville case in the UK should give us serious pause as should Epstein and the Franklyn case. WJM is on to something, something that I suspect runs wide and deep across the world. KF PS: The diagram Mr Obama put on a board illustrating power connexions in an Alinskyite frame.kairosfocus
November 21, 2017
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KF,
I also repeat, where are the speakeasies?
As I said before, I have no idea. What's this 'chalkboard diagram'?daveS
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