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It is almost axiomatic in our culture that the pronouncements of Science are synonymous with Truth. This received wisdom is so prevalent that whenever media reports begin with the words “Scientists have found that…[fill in the blank]”, whatever follows is widely believed by the public to be unassailable fact. So revered is Science and so respected its methods, that the mere suggestion that something might be amiss is considered ignorance or heresy. And so the statements of Science are defended vigorously while the critics are dismissed as quacks and uninformed idiots. The prevailing attitude seems to be (to slightly bend the well-known quote from Richard Dawkins) “It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in the findings of Science [emphasis and edit mine], that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I’d rather not consider that).”

For those of us who have long been engaged in the ongoing Evolution/Intelligent Design debate, we know that this attitude is anything but justified. Now along comes the so-called Climategate scandal, and virtually overnight, the public is waking up to the realization that something is indeed rotten with the state of Science, especially when billions of dollars of public funds are at stake. Destroyed data? Suppressed findings? Manipulated results? Unthinkable! But the genie has been let out of the bottle and it won’t be so easy putting it back in.

What remains to be seen is how widespread the public skepticism will be. Being skeptical with respect to the pronouncements of Science isn’t something the general public has much experience with. But maybe the climategate scandal will serve as a wake-up call that Science and Truth, while not opposites, are not synonymous either. Perhaps one positive result that could arise from the climategate scandal is for the general public to finally begin to see that Science is not the only avenue to Truth and that more often than most folks care to admit, Truth (with a capital “T”) trumps Science. It would not be a bad thing for the public to develop a healthy skepticism with respect to the pronouncements of Science. Even better if that skepticism makes Science more trustworthy and honest.

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"If you want to question the materialist approach embodied in Science, and I presume this is what you are getting at, then you will have to come up with the goods." The materialist approach is embodied in science? Can you come up with the goods on that?CannuckianYankee
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electron = proton ;)Upright BiPed
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Graham:
Science answers more immediate stuff, like: what is the mass of a carbon atom?
Really? A carbon atom has six protons in two orbits with another 12 particles in the nucleus. Are there any particles of the information within a carbon atom? If not, then the information which science concludes about a carbon atom is not actually contained within the carbon atom itself. Correct? If this information is not contained within the material itself, then it is must be immaterial, no? It must be about carbon, but not in carbon, no? What does a science that artificially demands that all things are material say about immaterial things? And what is it that produces the information that science has gathered about the carbon atom? What is information the product of? When did the this information come into existence and what is it exactly that lead to the information coming into existence? And what has been done with the information about a carbon atom? Is it shared? Is it manipulated? And what of the carbon atom itself, has the information of the carbon atom lead to the manipulation of carbon based upon the information created about it? If so, how does that take place? - - - - - Perhaps you need to question if the science of carbon atoms is the only thing that leads to knowledge or reality.Upright BiPed
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"I can see the concept ‘pursuit of truth’ following a familiar path into the quagmire of religion/philosophy etc, and therein lies madness." I just wonder what scientific method you employed to reach your conclusion that "following the path into the quagmire of religion/philosophy" leads to madness. Can you draw on any data that illustrates this fact?CannuckianYankee
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Allow me to elaborate on my above post: Science relies on a moral discipline that is itself outside of science. We know that it is outside of science because scientists are not the only souls concerned with honesty and integrity. We don't find the virtues of honesty and integrity by doing science, yet we must persue science with honesty and integrity in order to get correct results. If we lie and cover up or falsify data, we will learn precisely nothing from the persuit.CannuckianYankee
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Graham, "Now, getting back on track, DM claims Science is not the only avenue to Truth . Well, what other way is there to discover the mass of the carbon atom?" I think you have illustrated the problem quite well. Science doesn't lead to truth, but to corroborated facts through observation. The mass of a carbon cannot tell us anything about what we ought to do. Somehow we can't resolve the problem of 'ought' through the observation of 'is.' Perhaps science can tell us what might be expedient, but cannot tell us what is morally right. Yet here is the connundrum - scientists must do what is morally right to correctly do science. To fudge the evidence does not lead to correct results. The scientific method is nothing if not an upright quest for answers to honest questions, but one must approach science truthfully to attain the answers. Yet science itself is not that truth. That truth comes from somewhere outside the discipline of science.CannuckianYankee
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I can see the concept 'pursuit of truth' following a familiar path into the quagmire of religion/philosophy etc, and therein lies madness. However, we can avoid the swamp because, happily, Science doesnt consider the questions Religion supposedly addresses. Science answers more immediate stuff, like: what is the mass of a carbon atom ? Now, getting back on track, DM claims Science is not the only avenue to Truth . Well, what other way is there to discover the mass of the carbon atom ? Also, its all a bit annoying because Im on the moderators hit-list (some past transgressions I presume), so my posts hang about in purgatory for a while.Graham
December 1, 2009
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There are many other ways to pursue truth, Graham. Reason and logic are one. Religion is another. The fields of philosophy and history are others. In fact, I would say that most professional disciplines are pursuits of truth in one way or another.tragic mishap
December 1, 2009
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Folks, Perhaps you don’t fully get what Climate-Gate suggests. Richard Dawkins, et.al., expect us to believe in the prevailing scientific consensus. That’s not so out-of-line. After all, we are not able to fully ascertain the validity of the vast majority of things we believe. So naturally, we place our faith in the experts (They too must also place their faith in other experts!) We have been assured that we can trust the “findings” of science – peer review and all that stuff. However, climate-gate has demonstrated that the “safeguards” just aren’t safe. This has created a crisis in faith! What do we now believe in if not the experts? From which cauldron will our opinions arise? Scripture is looking better all the time!MannsWord.blogspot.com
December 1, 2009
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Graham, The point isn't that science doesn't work. It obviously does. But sometimes scientists can get careless with the facts, and then their findings don't merit the respect granted to other research. And then, once in a while, the term "science" gets applied to sheer nonsense. The poor souls who think that scientists check their emotions, imaginations, and ideologies at the lab door have no idea what they're being sold.ScottAndrews
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Barb: Fudging the results are one thing. This is bad, I agree, and must be, will be, found out in due course. However, DM is claiming that Science is not the only avenue to Truth . Now, before we get into some long existential deconstruction of what 'truth' is, I would like to see something concrete, like the periodic table, or whatever example you like (and try choosing something other than Evolution please!). What is the better way ?Graham
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Graham, no less a scientist than Linus Pauling stated that science is a search for truth. Being truthful would rule out fudging the data or skewing the results of one's experiments, wouldn't it?Barb
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If you want to question the materialist approach embodied in Science, and I presume this is what you are getting at, then you will have to come up with the goods. What do you propose in its place ? Eg: the periodic table. Is there some other way of describing reality ? This blog is strong on theology but Science actually delivers. You have to be able to make a clear statement of an alternative that has worked (with examples) or could work (with a clear description of how it would work).Graham
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Well, I am not a scientist, but as far as I know, science is not about Truth, but about finding facts and structures in the natural world. As our technical possibilities progress, scientists discover more facts which sometimes will lead them to modify their definitions or even overthrow theories. Truth with a capital T can only be found in a spiritual context. However, I agree with your critique of the media: They often misrepresent scientific facts just to sell their product.Kontinental
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