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Dr. Hawking, relax, this is the auto-eject model

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File:A small cup of coffee.JPG From New Scientist:

Stephen Hawking says he has a way to escape from a black hole

What you may not know is that physicists have been arguing for 40 years about what happens to the information about the physical state of those objects once they fall in. Quantum mechanics says that this information cannot be destroyed, but general relativity says it must be – that’s why this argument is known as the information paradox.

Now Hawking says this information never makes it inside the black hole in the first place. “I propose that the information is stored not in the interior of the black hole as one might expect, but on its boundary, the event horizon,” he said today.

The event horizon is the sphere around a black hole from inside which nothing can escape its clutches. Hawking is suggesting that the information about particles passing through is translated into a kind of hologram – a 2D description of a 3D object – that sits on the surface of the event horizon. “The idea is the super translations are a hologram of the ingoing particles,” he said. “Thus they contain all the information that would otherwise be lost.” More.

Never mind the next universe, just think of all the phone numbers and dates and the name of that kid we went to high school with—information we thought was lost for good that could well be floating around those event horizons…

See also: Dr. Hawking, your black hole is ready now (The way some people talk about other universes, you would think they were another neighbourhood. We’ve never established that there are other universes.)

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11 Replies to “Dr. Hawking, relax, this is the auto-eject model

  1. 1
    mike1962 says:

    “Quantum mechanics says that this information cannot be destroyed, but general relativity says it must be – that’s why this argument is known as the information paradox.”

    Given that both theories have not been successfully harmonized, there really is no take-away value for this issue as of yet.

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    Mapou says:

    Black holes and wormholes are consequences of GR. The problem is that they assume the existence of continuous structures. These subsume the existence of infinity, a pseudoscientific concept in the not even wrong category. Even Einstein had serious doubts about continuity not long before he died.

    I foresee that, one day soon, Hawking’s work in “science” will be widely ridiculed and dismissed as a monumental waste of time and money, the brainchild of a deluded/malignant/narcissist/crackpot/con-artist. Saying it like I see it, as always. 😀

  3. 3
    bornagain77 says:

    of related note:

    Black holes don’t erase information, scientists say – April 2, 2015
    Excerpt: The “information loss paradox” in black holes—a problem that has plagued physics for nearly 40 years—may not exist.,,,
    This is an important discovery, Stojkovic says, because even physicists who believed information was not lost in black holes have struggled to show, mathematically, how this happens. His new paper presents explicit calculations demonstrating how information is preserved, he says.
    The research marks a significant step toward solving the “information loss paradox,” a problem that has plagued physics for almost 40 years, since Stephen Hawking first proposed that black holes could radiate energy and evaporate over time. This posed a huge problem for the field of physics because it meant that information inside a black hole could be permanently lost when the black hole disappeared—a violation of quantum mechanics, which states that information must be conserved.
    http://phys.org/news/2015-04-b.....sts.html+/

  4. 4
    cantor says:

    Now Hawking says this information never makes it inside the black hole in the first place. “I propose that the information is stored not in the interior of the black hole as one might expect, but on its boundary, the event horizon,” he said today.

    Wait a minute. Just because Hawking says it, makes it news? Didn’t Susskind propose this way back in 2008 in his book The Black Hole War??

    ~

  5. 5
    Mapou says:

    cantor @4,

    Who cares? None of that stuff will have any consequence in science or our daily lives. It’s all a bunch of useless propellerhead crap.

    The universe is discrete. But Hawking’s black hole voodoo requires a continuous universe. Monumental fail! Hello!

  6. 6
    ppolish says:

    To hear Susskind tell it, he defeated Hawkings in “The Black Hole Wars”.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KR3Msi1YeXQ

    Somewhere on this vid is an amusing story of Stephen running students or anybody off the campus sidewalks with crazy driving. Also an eyewitness account (Susskind’s) of him fearlessly descending Lombard Street in San Francisco on a visit. Wild man. Maybe that stuff was in the recent movie about him, but I missed it.

  7. 7
    cantor says:

    Mapou @5,

    You missed the point of my post entirely.

    ~

  8. 8
    Mapou says:

    cantor @7,

    Well, it was not news when Susskind said it and it’s not news now. It’s all inconsequential crap because it will be be shown to be nonsense. Too bad so many fall for the nonsense. Hawking is just a celebrity preacher man for the materialist church. His science is voodoo crap.

  9. 9
    cantor says:

    Well, it was not news when Susskind said it…

    Nobody cared when Susskind said it.

    and it’s not news now.

    New Scientist thinks it is. They reported it as a news story.

    It’s all inconsequential crap

    Crap or not, it’s in the news… because Hawking said it.

    That was my point. News journalists report (and believe) everything Hawking says, no matter if it’s silly or illogical or plagiarism.

  10. 10
    News says:

    Cantor at 9. that’s been my point too. The pop science media are the checkout counter tabloids of science.

    All media have problems, but that need not have been the one. The checkout counter should have been left to Aliens have landed!!

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    Mapou says:

    Hawking is adept at using a language that is intelligible to the average person in order to appear brilliant. This is a man whose first wife once wrote that her job in the marriage was to remind Hawking everyday that he was not God. This is a man who learned how to exploit the media and the deluded Star Trek generation for fame and fortune. This is a man who knows how to use his infirmity to rebuff criticism. After all, who would dare to criticise a paraplegic?

    Only a malignant narcissist could turn useless and stupid knowledge into a career. It is not nice to fool the world. Not all of us are a bunch of fools. And, even if we are fools, we will eventually wise up and demand an accounting.

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