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Dennett gives scientific reasons ID will prevail


It is my speculation the notorious Beyond Belief Conference and Dawkins call to make religion illegal are signs secularism could be on the brink of crisis. Ironically, Daniel Dennett unwittingly gives powerful “scientific” reasons why secularism is doomed and why religion (which tends to be ID-friendly) will prevail as the dominant paradigm in human culture. See Evolution is Cruel to Dawkins and Dennett.

Mike Gene said it so well:

And therein may lie the most cruel irony of evolution. While it may make it possible for Richard Dawkins to be intellectually fulfilled, it also means that Dawkins, from an evolutionary perspective, embraces a world view that is maladapted to his biological essence and thus is nothing more than another evolutionary oddity whose lineage is a dead-end.

Thus, Dennett gives “scientific” reasons ID-friendly religion will ultimately prevail over Darwinism. Natural selection apparently favors those who are most inclined to accept ID. The force of Natural Selection is on the side of the Discovery Institute and the Wedge strategy.

I invite the readers to post links to relevant news analyses. Here are some that I found (thanks to some friends and google) which corroborate that Dennett would be correct to expect that ID will prevail if he were willing to follow his thesis to its logical conclusion.

The Desecularization of the World: Resurgent Religion and World Politics

Review of the book:

Theorists of “secularization” for two centuries have been saying that religion must inevitably decline in the modern world. But much of the world today is as religious as ever. This volume challenges the belief that the modern world is increasingly secular, showing instead that modernization more often strengthens religion.

Holland’s Post Secular Future

The idea that secularization is the irreversible wave of the future is still the conventional wisdom in intellectual circles here. They would be bemused, to say the least, at a Dutch relapse into religiosity. But as the authors of a recently published study called De Toekomst van God (The Future of God) point out, organized prayer in the workplace is just one among several pieces of evidence suggesting that Holland is on the threshold of a new era–one we might call the age of “post-secularization.” In their book, Adjiedj Bakas, a professional trend-watcher, and Minne Buwalda, a journalist, argue that Holland is experiencing a fundamental shift in religious orientation: “Throughout Western Europe, and also in Holland, liberal Protestantism is in its death throes. It will be replaced by a new orthodoxy.”

According to Bakas and Buwalda, God is back in Europe’s most
notoriously liberal country.

Tufts [Dennett’s school] mirrors national rise in student religious activities

Students at Tufts and other universities are breaking the stereotype of the secular college student. A recent study conducted by the Higher Education Research Institute of the University of California at Los Angeles indicated that 77 percent of students surveyed said that they pray, while 73 percent say that a religious tradition helped to shape their identity. Recent trends at Tufts point to similar conclusions. Protestant Student Fellowship (PSF) president Vanessa Baehr-Jones said that three years ago, PSF only had one devoted member. It now boasts an e-mail list of up to 150 people.

[...] Indeed. Even if ID were not true, I pointed out why resistance is futile for the Darwinists attempting to stop the onslaught of ID. [See Dennett gives scientific reasons ID will prevail.] [...] Selling Evolution (an unwitting slam of Darwinism in the scientific journal, Nature) | Uncommon Descent
.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jXcCDxykW8 JGuy
Another reason ID will prevail.. JGuy
Dawkins tries to portray all religious belief as inherently irrational. He demonstrates some survivaal value in individuals and groups being irrational. I think he is right that a lot of religious people do have a lot of individual and corperate irrational beliefs. In my experience, counter to expectations, those who are religious in the Dawkins sense, where they believe irrational things unquestioning, are not very interested in ID. They want their beliefs insulated from rationality, because even with ID many of their beliefs remain irrational and indefensable. It seems more likely that, due to ID, ultrarationalists will move from atheism to agnosticism than that religious people will find rational reasons for their treasured beliefs. idnet.com.au
Sal, I've alwyas thought that what drives evolution into education is not a secular force. So, in some sense it really isn't about the secular and the nonsecular. Secular by defintion means things pertaining or connecting not to anything religious. Just as evolutionist aregue that ID is religious, one could argue that evolution is as it pertains to atheism or humanism. In some sense, the educational system IS religious.. just either unwittingly or by a type of silent consent. Michael Ruse has alredy confessed to the religious nature evolutionist clutch to their theory and adherence to materialism - this is, to me, clearly nonsecular. Religion is typically associated with the supernatural; but religion is not exclusively so... as we know. Religion is a set of beliefs that can bind everything into a common understanding of cause and purpose (or perhaps nonpurpose). I like the way Dr Morey once stated this - I'm approximating it here --> 'that the humanists have pulled off one of the greatest con jobs of the history of mankind, by masquerading the religion of humanism around in a white lab coat and calling it science.' (something like that) JGuy
The point of the thread is two-fold. 1. It shows that even if Dawkins and Dennett are right (which I do not believe they are), their own hypothesis argues for why ID will prevail as a theory. The is something rather humorous about the irony. :-) 2. There is empirical evidence secularism could be in crisis. The secularists, at least on the surface, are showing more concern than I have seen in quite a long time. Perhaps they really do see themselves as losing the battle. Some sociologists seem to agree. I personally would like say, "wait and see", but the early indications are that secularism is at risk of losing its dominance. Why else would these extreme measures be proposed to combat religious upbrining? It appears people like Dawkins have concluded rational discourse and enducation are an insufficient means to combat the decline of secularism. Dennett has given Dawkins and friends "scientific" reasons as to why discourse and education might not be enough to pry people away from their quest for spiritual fulfillment. scordova
Is this a taste of the last phase of a new truth... approaching the claim of "Oh! I knew that." Personally, I think they aren't going to go out that easy... we are still in the violent opposition phase I think. Here is more of what to expect from Darwinists: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3106599121069514488&q=angry+cat&hl=en BTW: I apologise if this analogy was an insult to cats. JGuy
This shows that while Darwinian biology cannot confirm the supernatural truth of Biblical religion in its theological doctrines, it can confirm the natural truth of Biblical religion in its practical morality. This concern for the natural moral truth of Biblical religion is evident in the Bible itself. Moses promised the people of Israel that if they obeyed God's commandments, they would survive and prosper as a social unit, and other peoples would admire them for the wisdom and prudence of their laws and social institutions (Deuteronomy 4:6-8, 4:39-40, 30:15-20). This confirms the claim of Darwinian conservatism that the desire for religious understanding is one of the 20 natural desires shaped by natural selection as rooted in evolved human nature. Arnhart

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