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THE SPECTATOR
Thursday 12 January 2006
Dawkins is wrong about God
Roger Scruton

http://www.spectator.co.uk/article_pfv.php?id=7185

Faced with the spectacle of the cruelties perpetrated in the name of faith, Voltaire famously cried ‘Ecrasez l’infâme!’ Scores of enlightened thinkers have followed him, declaring organised religion to be the enemy of mankind, the force that divides the believer from the infidel and thereby both excites and authorises murder. Richard Dawkins, whose TV series The Root of all Evil? concludes next Monday, is the most influential living example of this tradition. And he has embellished it with a striking theory of his own — the theory of the religious ‘meme’. A meme is a mental entity that colonises the brains of people, much as a virus colonises a cell. The meme exploits its host in order to reproduce itself, spreading from brain to brain like meningitis, and killing off the competing powers of rational argument. Like genes and species, memes are Darwinian individuals, whose success or failure depends upon their ability to find the ecological niche that enables reproduction. Such is the nature of ‘gerin oil’, as Dawkins contemptuously describes religion.

This analogical extension of the theory of biological reproduction has a startling quality. It seems to explain the extraordinary survival power of nonsense, and the constant ‘sleep of reason’ that, in Goya’s engraving, ‘calls forth monsters’. Faced with a page of Derrida and knowing that this drivel is being read and reproduced in a thousand American campuses, I have often found myself tempted by the theory of the meme. The page in my hand is clearly the product of a diseased brain, and the disease is massively infectious: Derrida admitted as much when he referred to the ‘deconstructive virus’.

All the same, I am not entirely persuaded by this extension by analogy of genetics. The theory that ideas have a disposition to propagate themselves by appropriating energy from the brains that harbour them recalls Molière’s medical expert (Le Malade imaginaire) who explained the fact that opium induces sleep by referring to its virtus dormitiva (the ability to cause sleep). It only begins to look like an explanation when we read back into the alleged cause the distinguishing features of the effect, by imagining ideas as entities whose existence depends, as genes and species do, on reproduction.

Nevertheless, let us grant Dawkins his stab at a theory. We should still remember that not every dependent organism destroys its host. In addition to parasites there are symbionts and mutualists — invaders that either do not impede or positively amplify their host’s reproductive chances. And which is religion? Why has religion survived, if it has conferred no benefit on its adepts? And what happens to societies that have been vaccinated against the infection — Soviet society, for instance, or Nazi Germany — do they experience a gain in reproductive potential? Clearly, a lot more research is needed if we are to come down firmly on the side of mass vaccination rather than (my preferred option) lending support to the religion that seems most suited to temper our belligerent instincts, and which, in doing so, asks us to forgive those who trespass against us and humbly atone for our faults.

So there are bad memes and good memes. Consider mathematics. This propagates itself through human brains because it is true; people entirely without maths — who cannot count, subtract or multiply — don’t have children, for the simple reason that they make fatal mistakes before they get there. Maths is a real mutualist. Of course the same is not true of bad maths; but bad maths doesn’t survive, precisely because it destroys the brains in which it takes up residence.

Maybe religion is to this extent like maths: that its survival has something to do with its truth. Of course it is not the literal truth, nor the whole truth. Indeed, the truth of a religion lies less in what is revealed in its doctrines than in what is concealed in its mysteries. Religions do not reveal their meaning directly because they cannot do so; their meaning has to be earned by worship and prayer, and by a life of quiet obedience. Nevertheless truths that are hidden are still truths; and maybe we can be guided by them only if they are hidden, just as we are guided by the sun only if we do not look at it. The direct encounter with religious truth would be like Semele’s encounter with Zeus, a sudden conflagration.

To Dawkins that idea of a purely religious truth is hogwash. The mysteries of religion, he will say, exist in order to forbid all questioning, so giving religion the edge over science in the struggle for survival. In any case, why are there so many competitors among religions, if they are competing for the truth? Shouldn’t the false ones have fallen by the wayside, like refuted theories in science? And how does religion improve the human spirit, when it seems to authorise the crimes now committed each day by Islamists, and which are in turn no more than a shadow of the crimes that were spread across Europe by the Thirty Years War?

Those are big questions, not to be solved by a TV programme, so here in outline are my answers. Religions survive and flourish because they are a call to membership — they provide customs, beliefs and rituals that unite the generations in a shared way of life, and implant the seeds of mutual respect. Like every form of social life, they are inflamed at the edges, where they compete for territory with other faiths. To blame religion for the wars conducted in its name, however, is like blaming love for the Trojan war. All human motives, even the most noble, will feed the flames of conflict when subsumed by the ‘territorial imperative’ — this too Darwin teaches us, and Dawkins surely must have noticed it. Take religion away, as the Nazis and the communists did, and you do nothing to suppress the pursuit of Lebensraum. You simply remove the principal source of mercy in the ordinary human heart and so make war pitiless; atheism found its proof at Stalingrad.

There is a tendency, fed by the sensationalism of television, to judge all human institutions by their behaviour in times of conflict. Religion, like patriotism, gets a bad press among those for whom war is the one human reality, the one occasion when the Other in all of us is noticeable. But the real test of a human institution is in peacetime. Peace is boring, quotidian, and also rotten television. But you can learn about it from books. Those nurtured in the Christian faith know that Christianity’s ability to maintain peace in the world around us reflects its gift of peace to the world within. In a Christian society there is no need for Asbos, and in the world after religion those Asbos will do no good — they are a last desperate attempt to save us from the effects of godlessness, and the attempt is doomed.

Muslims say similar things, and so do Jews. So who possesses the truth, and how would you know? Well, we don’t know, nor do we need to know. All faith depends on revelation, and the proof of the revelation is in the peace that it brings. Rational argument can get us just so far, in raising the monotheistic faiths above the muddled world of superstition. It can help us to understand the real difference between a faith that commands us to forgive our enemies, and one that commands us to slaughter them. But the leap of faith itself — this placing of your life at God’s service — is a leap over reason’s edge. This does not make it irrational, any more than falling in love is irrational. On the contrary, it is the heart’s submission to an ideal, and a bid for the love, peace and forgiveness that Dawkins too is seeking, since he, like the rest of us, was made in just that way.

Comments
"The most important thing to a theist is what God says" Which God would that be? There's so many different ones saying different things to different people I have a difficult time keeping track of all of them...DaveScot
January 13, 2006
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MJ "Love, compassion and moral values transcend religion and goes to the heart of existence: we help each other, because we want humanity to survive." Not just humanity and not just survival. It's because we want justice. Some evil sob whom I'd like to personally administer some justice to if I knew who it was abandoned 7 puppies on my rural summer home to die a miserable death a few weeks ago. I found the poor malnourished things and took them into my home in the city. It's been quite an ordeal, they're big German Shepherd puppies, but lavished with love and care they are now healthy, happy, and have good homes waiting for them. Did I do this because of God? No. But I thank God that He was kind enough to put these puppies in my path where they'd find a bit of justice in this cruel world. I've been doing these kinds of things my entire life and for a good portion of that life I was an atheist. I do it because it's the right thing to do, God or no God. Right and wrong don't flow from scriptures. Right flows from the hearts of good people and wrong flows from the hearts of bad people.DaveScot
January 13, 2006
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"You think empathy and compassion flows from a belief in God?" It's not that empathy and compassion flows from a belief in God, it's that if you take atheism to its logical conclusion you would find that empathy and compassion are irrelevant. You may or may not have them, but they wouldn't in any way indicate a morality. "A consistent theist wouldn’t care about anything really b/c the spirit lives on after the body dies." Incorrect. The most important thing to a theist is what God says, not whether or not the spirit lives on (in fact, if you believe in hell, then what you do here is almost _more_ important than what you do in the afterlife). "People can be good and they can be evil. There are good and evil theists. There are good and evil atheists." Noone disagrees with this. "There’s no correlation. Each pointing to the other and saying you’re evil is stupid and destructive." The point is that talking in any substantive way about morality is completely inconsistent with pure atheism. You can have preferences. A lot of people can share preferences. But the bridge to morality is one of authority. The only way that a preference could become morality is if might made right. So, does might make right? If not, then how does one atheistically determine a public morality, as opposed to a preference that is simply validated by being close to the preferences of theists?johnnyb
January 13, 2006
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People can be good and they can be evil. There are good and evil theists. There are good and evil atheists. There's no correlation. Each pointing to the other and saying you're evil is stupid and destructive. Stop it.DaveScot
January 13, 2006
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geoffrobinson "A consistent atheist wouldn’t care about anything really b/c it is just atoms bumping around." You think empathy and compassion flows from a belief in God? That's just SO wrong. A consistent theist wouldn't care about anything really b/c the spirit lives on after the body dies. Logically this diminishes the value of life on earth. No wonder theists are so able to participate in wars and mass killing. Death is just a transition to a better life right? So killing someone is really just doing them a favor.DaveScot
January 13, 2006
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Hitler was atheistic or something similar. He did like old German pagan mythology though. So that comment stands. The only thing I would say is that you can't believe in morality in any meaningful way and be an atheist, if you are going to be consistent. Dawkins shows, by his very words and actions, that he is not a consistent atheist. And frankly, I've never met a consistent atheist. A consistent atheist wouldn't care about anything really b/c it is just atoms bumping around.geoffrobinson
January 13, 2006
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antg's quote from the Guardian about Dawkins wanting to 'magic' relgion away is well targeted. Religion is not going to disappear. The best we can hope for is to replace the dogmatic and closed-minded religions with others that accept the findings of science and don't interpret their scriptures literally. The Dalai Lama recently said that if Buddhism and science came into conflict, Buddhism would have to change. I wish other religious leaders would adopt this enlightened attitude.bradcliffe1
January 12, 2006
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"The Root of all Evil" is a pretty inflammatory title for the series. Religion is not the root of all evil, nor is the love of money, as the Bible claims. I wonder if they chose the title to generate controversy and attract viewers. It's hard to imagine Richard Dawkins making a statement which can so easily be refuted.bradcliffe1
January 12, 2006
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Hitler used Christianity in an expedient manner. He did not believe the Bible, and in fact referred to Biblical Christianity as "Jew Myth". He came up with the idea of "Positive Christianity" which is remarkably similar in character to what the liberals are trying to do with Christianity in the US. That is, Christianity is great for as far as it aligns with our social causes, but if you believe something in Christianity which is against our social cause, we will alienate you for believing in stupid, outdated myths instead of the "new order". The specifics of the social movement have changed, but not the political method of manipulating Christians away from Biblical Christianity into one that is just a restatement of the current social movement's goals in "Jesus" terms.johnnyb
January 12, 2006
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Reminds me of the following parallel, courtesy of Dr. Dembski (Intelligent Design: The Bridge Between Science and Theology, p. 294, note 3): Richard Dawkins: "I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate." ("Is Science a Religion?" The Humanist 57 [January/February 1997]: 26). Adolf Hitler: "The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light, and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity," quoted from Hitler's Table Talk (1941-1943), in Alan Bullock's Hitler: A Study in Tyranny, p. 672.j
January 12, 2006
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M J : Here's a blog that discusses Hitler's relationship to Christianity. Apparently someone at Rutgers University has obtained a bunch of documents seized from the Nazi in connection with the Nuremberg war crimes trials that shed light on the Nazi's plan to "destroy Christianity". Apparently, Hitler sometimes made public statements in support of Christianity, but only as a cynical, political expedient. http://boundless.org/2001/regulars/kaufman/a0000541.htmlruss
January 12, 2006
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M J: http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html Now whether or not those quotes from private conversations are true are another matter.Patrick
January 12, 2006
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Heres something that his supporters maybe shouldn't read... surprisingly its from the Guardian. Here are some pithy quotes: 'On Monday, it's Richard Dawkins's turn (yet again) to take up the cudgels against religious faith in a two-part Channel 4 programme, The Root of All Evil? His voice is one of the loudest in an increasingly shrill chorus of atheist humanists; something has got them badly rattled...' 'Dawkins seems to want to magic religion away. It's a silly delusion comparable to one of another great atheist humanist thinker, JS Mill. He wanted to magic away another inescapable part of human experience - sex; using not dissimilar arguments to Dawkins's, he pointed out the violence and suffering caused by sexual desire, and dreamt of a day when all human beings would no longer be infantilised by the need for sexual gratification, and an alternative way would be found to reproduce the human species. As true of Mill as it is of Dawkins: dream on.' Read it all at http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1681235,00.htmlantg
January 12, 2006
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"Take religion away, as the Nazis .....did" That's actually far from the truth. In fact, Hitler believed he was on a mission from God to rid the world of the Jews (his interpretation of scripture.) "Before lunch the schoolchildren of Germany were required to recite an invocation which began: "Fuhrer, my Fuhrer, bequeathed to me by the Lord, . . ." "During Hitler's fiftieth birthday celebration, special votive masses were held in every German church "to implore God's blessing upon Fuhrer and people," and the Bishop of Mainz called upon Catholics in his diocese to pray specifically for "the Fuhrer and Chancellor, the inspirer, enlarger and protector of the Reich." The Pope did not fail to send his congratulations." "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by only a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they are and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love, as a Christian and as a man, I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord rose at last in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was the fight for the world against the Jewish poison." --Adolf Hitler "The Pope's attitude was not at all vague. While taking no definite stand on the German invasion (of the Soviet Union) he made it clear that he backed the Nazi fight against Jewish Bolshevism, describing it as "high-minded gallantry in defense of Christian culture." ""By defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord," Hitler declared in Mein Kampf." Read more here: http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/1997/march97/holocaust.html While I do agree that you can't blame religion for the massacres, for the rape, for the death and destruction accosted in it's name you also can't make a competent case that Nazi Germany was atheistic. Many, many, many atheists in Communist Russia lost their lives trying to help the Jews. Love, compassion and moral values transcend religion and goes to the heart of existence: we help each other, because we want humanity to survive.M J
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Excellent article. All Dawkins supporters should read it. It provides a positive and much more realistic look at why the faithful are faithful to those without faith (myself, as an agnostic, included).ftrp11
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