We cannot live by scepticism alone

_{Mario Lopez

March 5, 2009

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Scientists have been too dogmatic about scientific truth and sociologists have fostered too much scepticism — social scientists must now elect to put science back at the core of society, says Harry Collins.

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Pharmgirl (#5): "There is no incompatability between ID and God, so how does talking about God=creationism?" Creationism says reality reflects the work of invisible Creator. Invisible Creator is synonymous with God. RayR. Martinez_{March 5, 2009
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moreover....explain WHY it leaves you "unsatisfied". Is it that you have unfulfilled curiosity, or you'd just like to attempt a lame refutation of ID?Upright BiPed_{March 5, 2009
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"Yes, I’ve seen that view stated repeatedly here, but it leaves me unsatisfied." Why does it leave you unsatisfied and not most of the rest here.jerry_{March 5, 2009
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"So god wasnt the designer then??" If God was the designer, how does that make it creationism. Creationism has a special meaning in this debate. If you are saying that belief in God is tantamount to creationism then you are creating a very different debate. Some of the points of view are that It was all pre programmed in the Big Bang. It was all pre programmed in the initial cellular structure. It was modified now and then either by a direct cause or indirectly through manipulating some aspects of nature. For example, some people believe it might have been done through quantum mechanics. Then there are those who believe all or nearly all was created in the last 10,000 years. Which is creationism or are all. If you say all then the term is meaningless. ID is consistent with all of them except for possibly the last and it is also consistent with some life form arising from an unknown origin being the designer. So don't use terms that have no meaning.jerry_{March 5, 2009
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I don't look to science to confirm my belief in God, although I feel that it does. I believe in God for many reasons. Science isn't the only way of arriving at truth. I'm going to school so I won't be able to reply to you for awhile, if you comment again. I'll be back!pharmgirl_{March 5, 2009
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pharmgirl [11]:
The designer is outside the scope of ID. ID is about detecting design, not determining where it came from.
Peace be unto you, but what is the point of that? Yes, I've seen that view stated repeatedly here, but it leaves me unsatisfied. Does it really satisfy you?Adel DiBagno_{March 5, 2009
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The designer is outside the scope of ID. ID is about detecting design, not determining where it came from.pharmgirl_{March 5, 2009
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So god wasnt the designer then??eintown_{March 5, 2009
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God isn't connected to ID, ID is compatible with God. Big difference.pharmgirl_{March 5, 2009
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Jerry, are you seriously going to say that genesis is a metaphor but we should all follow gods morals and laws to live our lives... as Rude proposes??? But again... the post is about the article.eintown_{March 5, 2009
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With Rudes remarks about a Bible run society and the connection of god with ID and so creationism... it doesn't really strike me as science? But hey, the article this post is about seems pretty anti mass skepticism from people who are not professionals in a field...eintown_{March 5, 2009
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“I don’t care what they say—without the values of the Bible to guide our culture and the Constitution to settle our differences it’s over for us and the world.” How is this creationist? Or do you have a distorted view of what is creationist?jerry_{March 5, 2009
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There is no incompatability between ID and God, so how does talking about God=creationism? Maybe Rude believes the Christian God is the intelligence behind the design(as do I)? It also seems to me that a person could agree with the design inference and not rule out the possibility of creationism. The ability to infer design within the creation makes sense.pharmgirl_{March 5, 2009
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Then why post pro creationism stuff on a ID website?eintown_{March 5, 2009
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You're right, Ein Town, it isn't! And neither does ID tell us how to live and be governed. It's the materialist Darwinists who do all that in the name of "Science".Rude_{March 5, 2009
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Rude "I don’t care what they say—without the values of the Bible to guide our culture and the Constitution to settle our differences it’s over for us and the world." I thought ID was not creationism?eintown_{March 5, 2009
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Very interesting article. The author acknowledges that postmodernism (“wave two”) threatens western civilization, and pretty much admits that the goal of modernism (“wave one”) was to exclude God from our knowledge. But in the end he comes back to the same old scientific expertism inheret in the modernist repudiation of transcendant values and history itself:
Science, then, can provide us with a set of values — not findings — for how to run our lives, and that includes our social and political lives. But it can do this only if we accept that assessing scientific findings is a far more difficult task than was once believed, and that those findings do not lead straight to political conclusions.
Hogwash! I don’t care what they say—without the values of the Bible to guide our culture and the Constitution to settle our differences it’s over for us and the world. One you can count on to say it succinctly and well is Thomas Sowell:
Do not for one moment think that we are either intellectually or morally superior to those Germans who put Hitler in power. We have been saved by our institutions and our traditions — the very institutions and traditions that so many are so busy eroding or dismantling, whether in classrooms or court rooms or in the halls of Congress and the White House.
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