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Which side will atheists choose in the war on science?

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File:Atheism.svg From Denyse O’Leary at MercatorNet:

In June, I wrote a piece here at MercatorNet, “A shambolic atheist community faces some tough choices,” reflecting on the discontent of some members of that community. It attracted a good many comments and at least one riposte shortly afterward. The riposte garnered 114 comments too.

Clearly, the piece struck a nerve. That said, fewer readers than I had expected took up the issue that seemed most significant to me: “‘Eiynah’ fears that the [atheist] movement is going ‘right wing.’” I don’t think the atheist movement is going right-wing so much as that some prominent atheists are re-evaluating their relationship with progressivism.

It’s about time too. Considering how many atheists see science as a worthy successor to religion, they should think carefully about the current progressive assault on the core values of science. Some items for reflection:

We hear that objectivity, along with “scientific,” “valid,” “reliable,” and “rationality,” is racist and sexist, a mere veneer for white male power (P.L. Thomas. “White Men Of Academia Have An ‘Objectivity’ Problem,” HuffPost June 14, 2017). Darwinian atheist Jerry Coyne complains, “These misguided people argue not only that there is no objective reality, but that attempts to find and teach it are sexist: that such endeavors are masculine ones, and that the methods of science themselves make the discipline sexist and patriarchal.”

Yes, Dr. Coyne, they do argue that and they are dead serious. Their cause includes citational politics, which means avoiding the citation of research by white male academics like himself. Would the fact that he is considered an expert in his field (evolutionary biology) make any difference? Not if objective reality is sexist. More.

See also: A shambolic atheist community faces some tough choices

27 Replies to “Which side will atheists choose in the war on science?

  1. 1
    PaoloV says:

    “Which side will atheists choose in the war on science?”

    Obviously the wrong side. 🙂

    In order to choose the right (i.e. correct) side one must possess wisdom.

    “If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.” James 1:5

    To be wise in biblical terms is to know and understand godliness, to do what is pleasing to God (Heb. 5:14).

    God is the source of wisdom. He grants it to those who sincerely seek it from Him.

    The maturity needed to grasp Christ’s priestly ministry is not intellectual sophistication, but spiritual discernment arising from consistent obedience to God’s will (Phil. 1:9–11).

  2. 2
    Axel says:

    Very well-spoken, Paolo, if I may say so.

  3. 3
    PaoloV says:

    Axel,

    Most of the text was copied from this source:

    https://www.biblegateway.com/

    The Bible references are ESV.

    The commentaries were taken from the Reformation Study Bible provided by Ligonier Ministries (http://www.ligonier.org/).

    I failed to indicate that in my comment.

    Now, yes, I agree with you that it’s well said.

    Definitely you and I may say so.

    Thanks.

  4. 4
    ET says:

    Which atheists? You have the Allied Atheist Alliance; the Unified Atheist League; and the United Atheist Alliance.

    HT South Park

  5. 5
    Seversky says:

    Atheists are on the right side.

  6. 6
    ET says:

    Seversky:

    Atheists are on the right side.

    No, they are definitely on the left and far left. 😛

  7. 7
    Quaesitor says:

    And yet:

    Too Many Atheists Are Veering Dangerously Toward the Alt-Right

    vice.com

  8. 8
    ET says:

    No, that just proves that the left has its racists too.

  9. 9
    Just Another Commenter says:

    Is everyone here (and most at MercatorNet) missing the point? This is not just another fruitless salvo in the endless atheist vs. theist debate. The point is that a common enemy is developing. While atheists and theists are constantly bickering about whether reason, logic, and facts favor one side or the other, the new progressives are out to destroy the foundation of reason itself. To turn Ben Shapiro’s famous catchphrase on its head, their feelings don’t care about your facts.

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    Bob O'H says:

    Atheists are on the right side.

    Not in the UK, I hope. They’ll cause all sorts of accident.

  11. 11
    PaoloV says:

    Ok, let’s say it again:

    “Which side will atheists choose in the war on science?”

    Obviously the wrong side. ????

    In order to choose the right (i.e. correct) side one must possess wisdom.

    “If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.” James 1:5 (ESV)

    To be wise in biblical terms is to know and understand godliness, to do what is pleasing to God (Heb. 5:14).

    God is the source of wisdom. He grants it to those who sincerely seek it from Him.

    The maturity needed to grasp Christ’s priestly ministry is not intellectual sophistication, but spiritual discernment arising from consistent obedience to God’s will (Phil. 1:9–11).

    The commentaries were taken from the Reformation Study Bible provided by Ligonier Ministries (http://www.ligonier.org/).

  12. 12
    Bob O'H says:

    PaoloV – don’t buy into the warfare thesis, historians don’t consider it valid any more. So both atheists and Christians can be together on the right side.

  13. 13
    PaoloV says:

    Bob O’H,

    You’re very wrong, buddy. Sad to tell you.

    Even people who may nominally claim being Christians could end up being on the wrong side, because all sides are wrong except God’s side. That applies to everything, not only science.
    I don’t think there’s a war on science. It’s more of a misunderstanding of what science is all about. Science is related to exploration, research, studying of God’s creation. The search for true facts to infer ideas. Drawing evidence-based conclusions.

    The real war is in the spiritual realm, between two irreconcilable worldview positions: one the wrong side those to whom the ultimate reality is wrapped around matter and energy. On the valid side stand those for whom the ultimate reality is defined as: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him was not any thing made that was made.” [John 1:1-3 (ESV)]
    Between those two opposite worldviews there are gazillion variations of other worldviews.
    Whoever stays away from God’s side is in a wrong side.
    All sides are wrong except God’s.

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    Just Another Commenter says:

    PaoloV @ 13:

    I don’t think there’s a war on science. It’s more of a misunderstanding of what science is all about.

    Again, everyone here is missing the point. While theists and atheists argue over whose side is best supported by the facts, a growing “progressive” movement is saying that facts don’t matter—that facts and reason are just an oppressive tool of the patriarchy. Really, they think (or rather feel) this! In this battle, theists and atheists actually have something in common.

  15. 15
    PaoloV says:

    Just Another Commenter,

    You’re wrong too, buddy. We all are.

    Only God’s side matters.

    We can think whatever we want, but the reality is one.

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    Latemarch says:

    Bob@10

    Atheists are on the right side.

    Not in the UK, I hope. They’ll cause all sorts of accident.

    …Golf clap…

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    OldArmy94 says:

    The current brouhaha over gender identity is another example of how science is being shaken by forces of irrationality. The empirical observation is that humans come in two genders, male and female, and the efforts to deny that reality are borne out of political motivations, not “hard” science.

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    jdk says:

    No, the empirical evidence is that there are significant divergences from there being a hard-and-fast division into just two genders. Yes, the large majority of people are clearly one gender or another, but a substantial number of people, who are as fully deserving of complete respect for their human dignity and worth as anyone else, are not clearing one gender or another.

    A good place to explore this issue is the National Geographic special website on the gender revolution.

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/01/

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    ET says:

    Right, Jack, there are many shades of mental illness and gender identity is one of them. What next I can change my race cuz I want to be a foreigner in my own country? Can I put stuff on my CV that isn’t true?

    Yes, people with any mental illness deserve to be treated properly.

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    bornagain77 says:

    Jordan Peterson: Gender ideology is ‘completely insane’ – March 2018
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/jordan-peterson-gender-theory-has-become-unquestionable-doctrine-thats-comp

    WHY this gender unicorn thing is a problem – Jordan Peterson & Duncan Trussell discuss (indoctrination of junior high students into gender neutrality)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93_2a_upMUw

    Jordan Peterson: Gender is Based on Biology, Here’s Evidence
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exlZ85VbPbk

    “a report finds scarce scientific evidence to conclude that gay and transgender people are “born that way. The 143-page paper, published this week in The New Atlantis journal, combs through hundreds of studies in search of a causal, biological explanation for sexual orientation and gender identity, but comes up empty. “The belief that sexual orientation is an innate, biologically fixed human property — that people are ‘born that way’ — is not supported by scientific evidence,” says the report, written by a psychiatrist and a biostatistician at Johns Hopkins University. “Likewise, the belief that gender identity is an innate, fixed human property independent of biological sex — so that a person might be a ‘man trapped in a woman’s body’ or a ‘woman trapped in a man’s body’ — is not supported by scientific evidence,”” (Born gay or transgender: Little evidence to support innate trait, Wednesday, August 24, 2016)
    http://www.washingtontimes.com.....-evidence/

    The genetic difference between men and women,,, – 06 Nov 2017
    Excerpt: a full third of our genome is behaving very differently in men and women.
    These new data pose challenges for science, medicine and maybe even gender equity.
    The human genome
    Men and women have practically the same set of about 20,000 genes.,,,
    They found that about one third of these genes (more than 6,500) had very different activities in men and women. Some genes were active in men only or women only. Many genes were far more active in one sex or the other.
    A few of these genes showed sex biased activity in every tissue of the body. More commonly, the difference was seen in one or a few tissues.
    Most of these genes were not on sex chromosomes: only a few lay on the Y or the X.
    How could a third of our genes be differently controlled in men and women?
    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/11/throughout-our-bodies-thousands-of-genes-act-differently-in-men-and-women

    How Men’s Brains Are Wired Differently than Women’s
    Male brains have more connections within hemispheres to optimize motor skills, whereas female brains are more connected between hemispheres to combine analytical and intuitive thinking
    By Tanya Lewis, December 2, 2013
    Excerpt: “On average, men connect front to back [parts of the brain] more strongly than women,” whereas “women have stronger connections left to right,” said study leader Ragini Verma, an associate professor,,,
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-mens-brains-are-wired-differently-than-women/

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    jdk says:

    I was referring to much more than gender identity, folks.

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    ET says:

    jdk:

    I was referring to much more than gender identity, folks.

    Where and when? And what were you also referring to besides gender identity?

  23. 23
    jdk says:

    I provided a link. Educate yourself.

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    ET says:

    Yes, Jack, some people are born genetically messed up. That is what random changes to genomes begets. There are others who don’t have the genetic markers, whose hormones are normal for a girl, for example, who don’t act like boys at all, but still insist they are boys. And then there are girls who act like boys but are still girls.

    To me it is a societal problem that societies- liberal societies- have enabled, encouraged and nurtured. It’s sad, really. I am more than OK with women’s equality. But now we have high school boys, young men, claiming they are girls, competing in high school girl sports and robbing real girls of glory and possible sports’ scholarships.

    Sad, really

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    Seversky says:

    Bob O’H @ 10

    Atheists are on the right side.

    Not in the UK, I hope. They’ll cause all sorts of accident.

    True. On the other hand, in how many other countries can you be on the wrong side and the right side at the same time? Could that be a local violation of the Law of Non-Contradiction?

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    Seversky says:

    Are we talking about the war on science practiced by those high school science teachers who preach their own version of evangelical Protestantism in the science classroom rather than teach the science that they are contractually and morally bound to teach?

  27. 27
    ET says:

    Seversky:

    Are we talking about the war on science practiced by those high school science teachers who preach their own version of evangelical Protestantism in the science classroom rather than teach the science that they are contractually and morally bound to teach?

    No, the war on science is perpetrated by those promoting evolutionism, aka blind watchmaker evolution, in science classrooms. No one is morally bound to teach that claptrap.

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