Consciousness claim for plants

At Mind Matters News: Yes, plants may be conscious too, says researcher

It’s not so much that consciousness in plants is being demonstrated as that what it means to be conscious is changing so as to include plants.

relatd Ba77, As I'm sure you know, Darwinist ideas must be promoted at all costs or God gets back into science,... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
jerry the issue is not merits, rights, publications etc. It is, that we have determined lawless ideological oligarchs who have wormed... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
Sandy ideological oligarchs who have wormed their way into influence and power who — lawless — are ruthless, vindictive and cruel.... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
Origenes KF @ 82, PM1 @83 KF: These poof magic emergentists reject the PSR. Absolutely. That is their thing. PM1: I... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
jerry Interesting, I am finding the inability to edit a comment on the computer I have with me while away. Usually... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
Origenes StephenB @165 SB: The broader point, which I have made previously, is that moral choices are the product of a... – Aquinas, Ockham, and Descartes about God....
bornagain77 OT: Mama Bear Apologetics: Empowering Your Kids to Challenge Cultural Lies by Hillary Morgan Ferrer https://www.amazon.com/Mama-Bear-Apologetics-Empowering-Challenge/dp/0736976159/ “I’m thrilled to see... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
kairosfocus PM1, Chalmers has put his finger on the problem, there is a magickal ideology of poof, emergence and once the... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
kairosfocus Jerry, the issue is not merits, rights, publications etc. It is, that we have determined lawless ideological oligarchs who have... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
jerry That’s not to say that therefore strong emergence is a hopeless concept Of course it's hopeless. It is self refuting... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
PyrrhoManiac1 David Chalmers is probably the living philosopher with whom I most enjoy disagreeing. He is utterly brilliant and I always... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
kairosfocus Origenes With emergentism, a new type of causation has been introduced: causation from insufficient causes. An obvious violation of the... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
jerry A comment from 17 years ago I hope this will erase the complacency on this web site that ID is... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
Origenes ~ “external criticism” KF: PM1, you tried to set up a frame that invites an insulation around internalism. PM1: I... – Is the Galton Board evidence for...
Origenes Sandy @74 ~The (strong) emergence concept stems from the extreme reductionist mindset. Chalmers: We can say that a high-level phenomenon... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
kairosfocus PS, by weak form, I here imply that for any A that is/is not/may be/may not be/ is impossible, we... – Is the Galton Board evidence for...
kairosfocus PM1, yes, you did make such claims and continue to do so. However, we both know that a material issue... – Is the Galton Board evidence for...
kairosfocus HN42, excellent question. I find in the Chalmers corpus: We can say that a high-level phenomenon is strongly emergent with... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
kairosfocus PM1, it is precisely because of the slipperiness of "naturalism," that I draw out briefly, the focal form, evolutionary materialistic... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
bornagain77 Seversky at 71 pays lip service to valuing empirical evidence Sev: "You could say it (empirical evidence) has more practical... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...
hnorman42 Regarding strong emergence -- Is there any way to test for the difference between strong emergence and not having any... – L&FP, 64: The challenge of self-referentiality...