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The weekend marked a shock-wave event, the rapid fall of Kabul that was not supposed to happen.

Twenty years of nation-building attempt failures, a poorly managed withdrawal, abandonment of 14 – 86,000 supportive allies, logistically crippled government forces and likely bribing local commanders led to a one-week collapse. This primarily speaks to strategic and operational incompetence of the US decision-makers as a class as a better managed withdrawal was clearly feasible and a soft landing end state was arguably possible. Trillions wasted, with blood also on the line.

Predictably, mass murders, return to utter unbridled barbarism, hosting of terrorism and likely a surge in opium-based drugs esp. Heroin. More subtly, Afghanistan counts as in the direction of Khorasan in Islamist readings of apocalyptic hadiths so we can expect a mahdist push; only utter shocking defeat will stop that, a horrific shock comparable to that of August 1945. Meanwhile, China next door likely is trying to use money to influence the situation.

I find this commentary by a veteran useful:

I offer this main point: the government of Afghanistan lost the “Mandate of Heaven.” The people of Afghanistan had twenty years to experience Afghan government and decide that it was not worth fighting for. The stories are legion: the first president, Karzai, constantly releasing captured terrorist leaders as he dealt directly with the Taliban. President Karzai’s brother being the top gangster of Kandahar. The Afghan Air Force heroin-smuggling ring. The Thursday Man Love sessions for all the pedophiles of the Afghan police and military. The “ghost” soldiers and ever-stolen supplies of the Afghan Army. The massive vote fraud of the Afghan presidential elections. The Afghan judges who gave no justice without a bribe. In sum, the Afghan government had the façade of a constitutional system — but inside its halls, it was a collection of thieves and robbers getting as much as could be gotten while the money was flowing.

There has apparently never been a cohesive, lawful Afghanistan, and that creates a culture of lawless oligarchy, even when trappings of democracy are imposed. I note, though that we need to account for differential performance, as the Pushtun behind the Taliban are not an outright majority. The operational answer points to logistical starvation [no beans and bullets to fight with, after taking 60,000 dead in trying to defend a failing state], a lockdown on technical support that grounded the air force. All of which had to be known to the US decision makers. Their failure to do right by 86,000 people as listed who put their life on the line shows the fundamental untrustworthiness and want of honour of the American decision makers. And this is the second time within fifty years.

I don’t buy the oh this was not expected. Contrast the open borders policy with this breach of honour betrayal of people who put their lives on the line in a now failed attempt to build a better future.

A bruised reed indeed.

The vet continues:

[G]roups, communities, and nations usually get the government they deserve.  A virtuous people is usually ruled fairly well — an anarchic people either collapses into anarchy or is ruled strictly.  I think this was President Bush’s major conceptual strategic mistake in the post-9-11 wars.  He believed that every nation longed for freedom and was capable of democratic self-government.  As we have learned the hard way, our American constitutional government was not just ordered into existence by the Founders; it is the heritage of untold generations of Germanic tribal self-government, the monastic stewarding of the Roman legacy of education, the Anglo-Saxon traditions of consultative government, the compromise of the Magna Carta, the residue of the English Civil Wars and Bill of Rights, and the self-governing experience of the Pilgrims and the colonial founders in the New World interacting with the French and Scottish Enlightenment.

This was not Afghanistan’s experience — the many peoples of Afghanistan lacked the human capital to democratically govern themselves.  The vast majority of Afghans could not read, write, or numerate — parts of Afghan Army basic training were simply teaching soldiers to recognize numbers.  The few Afghan elites were ethnically divided and mutually suspicious.  Often there was no tradition of peaceful self-governance — of the clans living in a valley, often there would be a low-level war among them over resources.  Simply put, the Afghans were not truly capable of self-governing democracy in the Jeffersonian sense.  Therefore, they could not create a government worth dying for.

Sadly, we Americans ourselves also lacked the moral clarity and realism to even try to make the conditions to help build a moral government.  All too often the phrase “it’s an Afghan matter” was used as a rationale to excuse some immoral action of our Afghan government partners.  We saw the evil actions of the Afghan government officials but did nothing about it — in great contrast to the colonial heyday, when British officials would say, “It may be your tradition to burn widows alive, but it is my tradition to hang those who do so.”  We simply shrugged our shoulders and said, “It’s the culture” as we tolerated the evil that destroyed the legitimacy of the Afghan government.

This of course speaks to the cultural buttresses I have often highlighted in discussing an alternative political spectrum:

This leads to explaining what we see as a slide to lawless oligarchy and a coup:

The lessons for the threatening disintegration of cultural buttresses in the US and elsewhere are obvious.

Let’s look at the geostrategic picture:

Afghanistan is an obvious move for China’s Silk Road push to the oil-rich ME and a land bridge to Pakistan, but brings up a contest with Iran and further alienation of India and the belt of states on China’s near-coastal rim from Singapore to Japan and South Korea.

The American geostrategic defeat, retreat and humiliation, combined with a largely continental mindset, points to the post Vietnam malaise as a direct parallel. This also further alienates the dissatisfied hinterland people from the patently incompetent establishment/deep state apostates.

The 4th generation conflict in the US ratcheted up and its inner cohesiveness just got another crack. I still believe the cultural marxists, their red guard cannon fodder and media promoters will lose, but the geostrategic butcher’s bill is going to be high. END

PS: What might a soft landing have looked like? If the Jordanian model of a stabilising adequately backed military had been followed and perhaps a lawful monarchy with a core western presence present to take the two generations to build capacity, something might have been possible. However the depth of corruption may have undermined even that.

U/D: Here is a State Dept archive on mail-in ballots:

Similarly, the highly relevant McFaul colour revolution model and SOCOM insurgency escalator:

F/N Aug 19: A General’s assessment:

U/D Aug 21, the map seen on 9-11, with the 100 year global conquest vision also expressed in the Muslim Brotherhood The Project Document captured by Swiss Financial Police:

Comments
Podcast from 7 weeks ago, a discussion of what was known then about Afghanistan by the most knowledgeable people of the situation. https://audioboom.com/posts/7927327-seven-weeks-before-the-tragedy-classiclongwarjournal-billroggio-and-thomasjoscelyn-unboundjerry
August 20, 2021
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Assabiya wins every time
Twenty years, $2 trillion, and the most powerful army in the world were no match for the one thing the Taliban has—and that current American leadership has lost Assabiya
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/assabiya-lee-smith By one of the great journalists of our time. Yes, they do exist.
Lee Smith is the author of the newly published book The Permanent Coup: How Enemies Foreign and Domestic Targeted the American President.
jerry
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@silver Yes, a creation requires a creator. And a creator can only be identified with a chosen opinion, subjectivity, and a creation can only be identified with a 1 to 1 corresponding model of it, in the mind, objectivity. What is your point? So then if academics did have a basic understanding of subjectivity, then people could set about building up a vigorous Afghani spirit. But because as now, academics doesn't have understanding of subjectivity, so then they are clueless about how to build up the Afghani spirit. . The previous relief efforts in Afghanistan by the academic people, has produced a kind of entitlement and dependence culture. A value signalling culture.mohammadnursyamsu
August 20, 2021
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F/N: Trump with Bartiromo, FYI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6xWnfu0-44 KFkairosfocus
August 20, 2021
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F/N: Taiwan takes note https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231877.shtml Estimate, nukes are in the background. KFkairosfocus
August 20, 2021
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A bit of a side issue.kairosfocus
August 20, 2021
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SA “But I think that after the war, many Jews returned to the European countries where they came from and since the persecution had stopped and there were monitoring by allied nations, they all should have been mandated to do that.” It was the European countries that persecuted, expelled, confiscated property, initiated pogroms and wiped out 6 million (in approximately 10 years) and you expect Jews to entrust their fate to them? Vividvividbleau
August 19, 2021
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Silver Asiatic, Thank you. It was helpful for me to understand your notion of anti-Zionism. Jews are an ethnicity and have an ethnic religion (open to all people). But my perspectives are as follows: 1. Politically, any ethnicity without a powerful nation to object to abuse against their ethnicity often faces persecution and genocide. I agree that this applies not only to Jews, but to other ethnic groups: Uighurs in China, Armenians in Turkey, Kurds in Turkey, Iran, and Iraq, native Americans and African-Americans in the U.S. to name a few such groups. The Jews that Hitler exterminated weren't asked what their religious affiliation was, but just their ethnicity condemned them to death. 2. As a Christian, I recognize that most Jews in Israel are agnostic today, but support their right to reconstruct their nation in light of the massive persecutions and genocides they've endured over the centuries. One common interpretation of Bible prophecy, one that I happen to agree with, indicates that God's plan for the Gentiles, which is almost 2,000 years old, is nearly over now, and a final seven years with a newly converted nation of Israel is about to begin (see the description of how this happens in Zechariah 12). The nations prophesied in Ezekiel 38 and 39 are aligned and almost ready for the massive invasion of Israel from the north, which nearly succeeds. Also, the "kings of the east" will cross (or follow) the dried-up Euphrates river according to Revelation 16:12-14 in preparation for the battle of Har-Magedon (Armageddon). What "kings of the east" could this refer to nowadays? Are my interpretations all correct? Probably not, but the basics are there, that God miraculously reconstructs Israel from its dry bones (see Ezekiel 37). -QQuerius
August 19, 2021
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I’m not sure what Anti-Zionist means to you. That Jews shouldn’t have their own country?
It's a good question, Q and I'm sympathetic with your views. I share your concern for the Jewish people in whatever situation, certainly. At the same time, as an American, I believe in equal rights and our country is not a racial collective. So, from an American perspective, we wouldn't have a "Jewish nation" which is a religious state. So right there I think it's a conflict. We respect the religious norms (or we should) of all people but we wouldn't set up a state where only one religion dominated.
Here’s the list of countries and how many Jewish refugees they accepted before and during the war (and I’m sure you’re aware that 6 million Jews who couldn’t leave Nazi-controlled areas were murdered):
That was definitely a problem. But I think that after the war, many Jews returned to the European countries where they came from and since the persecution had stopped and there were monitoring by allied nations, they all should have been mandated to do that. Creating an entirely different country for them doesn't make sense to me.
So, if antisemitism continues to increase worldwide, where will Jews be able to escape to?
As I Christian, I face the same question for my own people. With that, I can't speak for what the Jews can or can't do in the face of hostility and persecution. It would be presumptuous of me to come up with solutions for the Jewish people, except to offer protection if there was a genocide. Unfortunately, in contrast for example, there's little support from the U. S. for Christians around the world who face serious persecutions and even elimination. Sadly, for example, Jewish airstrikes in Jordan recently have killed innocent Christians. It just happens that way, but we shouldn't have a one-sided focus if we're going to try to help everyone. With that, we should support any persecuted people and religion in the world -- and Christians at this moment are the biggest target of such evil. I'm biased yes, because these are my people. But they are suffering as human beings. I would wish the U.S. government would cut expenditures for Israel and redirect them to assisting the Christian religion around the world. I mean, that sounds crazy but we're assisting the Jewish religious state, so why not? As another example, there is presently a genocide against the Uyghur Muslims in China so they could die out completely. I think the same with Falun Gong. They are people suffering and who need help. So I think we place an unfair emphasis on the success of the Zionist project to the cost of neglecting others. True, there's the important historical aspect of Judaism which would make it seem more important to protect, but it doesn't seem fair to rank people based on their historical value like that. Were the Rwandan people less worthy of help because they're African? It seems that way sometimes. I also do not agree in principle with the nature of the Jewish confessional state, but I feel the same about Islamic states in comparison. I think a theocracy is understandable, but unworkable in reality and causes a lot of problems. To me, that's Zionism. We're in this problem right at the moment in Afghanistan where we created an American style approach instead of an Islamic regime based on Sharia law. So, we didn't respect that religious view and chose our own. Why not insist on the same for Israel? But all this said, it sounds disrespectful to me, either way, as a non-Jew to decide for them and their fate. We created reservations for American Indian tribes because we were the persecutors. Our Indian reservations are neglected and impoverished - there's enormous suffering right in our own homeland against people we persecuted (and defeated in war). Why should we direct billions in funds overseas for the Jews instead? I think the countries that persecuted the Jews should have been required to restore their property and rights in the places where they lived. They lost the war so that's the price to pay. Creating a state for them in the Mideast seems to me to be artificial and an avoidance of the problem - thus creating new problems. I think we have a responsibility to try to end genocides and bring peace - certainly. But preserving the Jewish people is a task that is fraught with problems - as above, we don't look at nations as racial collectives like that. Marriage within one's own community creates a highly segregated situation and it's difficult to respect the religious norms, but at the same time incorporate the people into society (and seek to preserve them and their norms which are unworkable). Hatred and persecution of the Jews is a grave evil that necessarily must be stopped. But I think the best way to do it is to bring problems into the light and seek honest solutions. That's a very difficult thing to do these days -- for understandable reasons. But it really needs to be done, in my opinion. As a believer and follower of Jesus, I seek to honor His own ethnic heritage. But Jesus made it clear that God does not play favorites based on one's lineage or DNA. He put an end to that. Modern day Judaism makes accommodations for just about anything imaginable, including the idea that one does not even need to believe in God to fully be a Jew (and weirdly, privileges in Israel may be granted on the basis of DNA testing). So, respect and care? - yes. But agreeing with the religious principles that lead to the situation, and then acting on them? - no. This definitely creates a conflict, but that's the struggle of pluralism and tolerance for religious belief. I appreciate your good question, Querius - and the research is helpful to take in. I hope my response was respectful, as I intend it to be. To you and Jewish people and any religion that seeks God.Silver Asiatic
August 19, 2021
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Silver Asiatic @43,
I’d only dispute Israel on your list since, as I see it, the U.S. has invested an enormous support for them and I can’t see where or how they need support considering they have more weaponry than they need, and actually are selling it … but I’m anti-Zionist, so perhaps biased.
I'm not sure what Anti-Zionist means to you. That Jews shouldn't have their own country? Support for Israel by the United States has always been chancy, and by the rest of the world, near zero nowadays. Consider how many countries accepted Jewish refugees before and during WW2 when it became apparent that the Nazis had started persecuting Jews. At the Evian Conference in July 1938 (https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-evian-conference), only the Dominican Republic stated that it was prepared to admit significant numbers of refugees, although Bolivia would admit around 30,000 Jewish immigrants between 1938 and 1941. Here's the list of countries and how many Jewish refugees they accepted before and during the war (and I'm sure you're aware that 6 million Jews who couldn't leave Nazi-controlled areas were murdered): Argentina – 24,000 Bolivia – 30,000 Brazil – 12,000 British Palestine – 80,860 Canada – 5,000 China – 19,100 Cuba – a few Dominican Republic – 645 plus 5,000 visas El Salvador – 20,000 passports Great Britain – 80,000 India – 5,000 Iran (#3) – 115,700 Italian occupation zones in Yugoslavia, France, Tunisia, and Greece – 43,000 Mexico – 1,850 plus 16,000 visas Philippines – 1,200 Portugal – 8,500 plus Soviet Union (#1) – 250,000-300,000 but most were murdered by the Nazis in 1941 Spain – 3,800 plus 20,000-30,000 allowed to pass through Sweden – 10,900 Switzerland – 30,000 (the largest per capita acceptance of refugees at about 10%) United States (#2) – 124,000, less than 10% of the allotted quota and many hundreds of thousands were turned away Uruguay – 30,000 So, if antisemitism continues to increase worldwide, where will Jews be able to escape to? I agree with you regarding Cuba. The U.S. won't lift a finger to help the victims of the "socialist workers paradise" there. -QQuerius
August 19, 2021
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MNY
Subjectivity applies to a creator, and objectivity applies to a creation.
And a creation requires a creator, so talking about creation applies to a creator. Logic: Subjectivity (S) applies to a Creator (C). S = C Objectivity (O) applies to a creation (U) O = U A creation (U) requires a Creator (C) U gives us C When we talk about the objectivity of creation, the universe we refer to the Creator because a creator is required.Silver Asiatic
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@silver I don't agree with any argument like 100's of years of customs having any relevance. That's not how things work. If someone has a custom all their life, for many years, then that's relevant. Obviously, the basic understanding of subjectivity is inherent in Afghani common discourse, same as in any other language. To say something is beautiful, it is has the same underlying logic in any language. So Afghani's could easily just as well build up a national spirit. The logic of subjectivity is that a subjective opinion is chosen, and the opinion expresses what it is that makes a choice. For example, to say someone is a "nice" person, then the opinion is chosen, in spontaneous expression of emotion with free will. And the personal characteristic of being nice, out of this personal characteristic someone is said to make their choices. So then a spirit of being nice, is identified as making choices. Always the same underlying logic is repeated, an opinion is chosen, and an opinion expresses what it is that makes a choice. To say a painting is beautiful. The opinion is chosen in spontaneous expression of emotion with free will. The opinion expresses a love for the way the painting looks. Out of this love the word "beautiful" was chosen to be spoken. So then this spirit of love is identified as what makes a choice. You are clueless about the basic logic of subjectivity. That is very significant. And then you mention subjectivity, emotions, only in a bad way. As something that leads to violence. And then you dismiss it as subjectivism. Really, you are the one not having proper regard for ordinary subjectivity. I am not being extreme in promoting subjectivity to the exclusion of objectivity. Subjectivity and objectivity are each valid in their own right. They have a different underlying logic. Subjectivity applies to a creator, and objectivity applies to a creation.mohammadnursyamsu
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The failure was in building up the the Aghani spirit. That could easily have been done in 20 years.
We're talking about centuries of tribal custom and conflict being changed in 20 years? No, that's underestimating the problem. As it stands, educational and work opportunities improved for the Afghans - it was moving in a good direction. It needed some monitoring and management, which would have paid big dividends for everyone (even the Taliban could possibly have seen the benefit over some decades).
The Taliban is one of many Islamic organizations against Western spiritual corruption. And the West lost Afghanistan, because of their spiritual corruption.
That's probably true, but it's also too sweeping a condemnation. Christianity actually works within the world - so it is secular in a sense. It believes that God created goodness in the world and our task is to bring it forth. Yes, spiritually in the West there has been corruption of morals, but sometimes that gets confused. Like the difference between feminism and respect for women. The former is a corrupted evil and the latter is Christian spiritual virtue at work. For Islam, however, both are condemned. Islam creates a strong separation of world and faith, but that becomes impossible to live out. It seems more spiritual because it renounces the material world to a larger extent, but the challenge of spirituality is to live in the world and maintain moral goodness. The Afghans have seen the benefit of that - not to be corrupted by false values but to live out a more productive society.
The basic understanding of the spiritual is that the spirit makes choices, and the spirit is identified with a chosen subjective opinion.
You repeat that somewhat continually but to me, it doesn't make sense until you define your terms (as I requested). Then explain why. In other words, don't just make assertions but explain what you mean.
Certainly Western academics has no basic understanding of the spirit / emotions.
Agreed. For the most part, It's empty and nihilistic - without purpose. It's anti-human and destructive, so nobody should be surprised that all they can spread is evil and violence and oppression, like Marxism and secularism. However, there is a renaissance of good schools in the West - some new, some going back to Christian roots. Those are hopeful and fight against what you're talking about. And even within secular academia, there are roots which are still good and have not been totally destroyed yet.
Western academics has thrown out this basic understanding, in throwing out creationism.
Agreed. But we need to use whatever is good in Western academics and built on it.
The Taliban represents a sort of nativist reaction to Western spiritual corruption. Not knowing precisely what is wrong with the Western culture, but just disliking it, and then in reaction reasserting Islam, but then asserting it with extreme severity.
It's a great point. 1. They don't know what's wrong because they don't or can't study it. But they know by intuition that it is corrupt. That's good, but they need to know more. 2. They respond with emotion and force. That's your subjectivism I think - just emotional reactions. But they it becomes severe and extreme, and they end up destroying their own country. So, objectivity and reason are necessary. It's a balance - not all one or the other.
The extreme severity ensures that Afghanistan can only become a warstate under the Taliban, aimed at destruction of the West. It cannot keep the focus internally to produce an Islamic state, but will be focused externally to destroy the West.
Yes, exactly. They'll ignore building their own nation for the sake of getting revenge and pushing hatred and violence on their enemies. This is common in that region. The Jews often do the same - just a fixation on revenge and hatred of enemies at the expense of themselves. The Muslims retaliate in the same way. It has been embedded in the Mideastern cultures for a long time. Christianity fights against that mentality (in teaching though not always successfully). What the Taliban is doing is actually like the progressive left and Marxist revolutionaries. The one thing they work on is destroying Christian culture and reason -- but they can't build anything.Silver Asiatic
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But the upshot of this disaster is that no country can count on the U.S. anymore, not Taiwan, not South Korea, not Japan, not Israel.
True and that has been unnecessary and tragic. The U.S. has been and is still very capable of doing so much to benefit the world -- and ended up just wasting that capability. I'd only dispute Israel on your list since, as I see it, the U.S. has invested an enormous support for them and I can't see where or how they need support considering they have more weaponry than they need, and actually are selling it ... but I'm anti-Zionist, so perhaps biased. In any case, I'd add Cuba to the list as a place where people are crying out for help just off of our coast, with a dictator cutting off their internet to prevent protests. We haven't done anything. America has had so many heroes for freedom. They're still present but in the lower ranks only. We can't find them in leadership any more.Silver Asiatic
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I'm thinking that maybe tragedies can unite people who are otherwise opposed - as I read and agree with good thoughts by Sev on this topic. For me it's not politics. If Trump had done it this way I would be as resistant, and I hope even his supporters would be. It's real people suffering from stupid, arrogant decisions.Silver Asiatic
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Sev, Levin raises a shocker, if confirmed. Presence down to 1500 non combat, another battalion of reaction forces based at Bagram, and negligible casualties for 18 months.
Yes that shocked me and is the biggest of many good points by Levin for me. It's clear that a small number of troops and a good plan had stabilized Afghanistan right up to the withdrawal. Also, we left troops in place in Syria and Iraq for the same reason. That's a tribute to the American and Allied forces and the professionals involved - and the lives lost. The Taliban was minimized - still violent but not taking over the country and not a global threat. Thinking of the NATO forces, even now people from other countries have to suffer from a poor decision by American leadership.Silver Asiatic
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Afghanistan, notoriously, is tribal.kairosfocus
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The failure was in building up the the Aghani spirit. That could easily have been done in 20 years. The Taliban is one of many Islamic organizations against Western spiritual corruption. And the West lost Afghanistan, because of their spiritual corruption. The basic understanding of the spiritual is that the spirit makes choices, and the spirit is identified with a chosen subjective opinion. The Aghani spirit is the national feeling in people's heart, the feeling out of which decisions are then made. The decisions of the official decisionmaking structure of government and elections, and then generally in ordinary life this Afghani spirit would also decide some stuff. Certainly Western academics has no basic understanding of the spirit / emotions. Western academics has thrown out this basic understanding, in throwing out creationism. Because the spirit, emotions, choice, subjectivity, are exclusively creationist concepts. And that Western academics is clueless about the spirit, is obviously the reason why the West failed in building up the Afghani spirit. The Taliban represents a sort of nativist reaction to Western spiritual corruption. Not knowing precisely what is wrong with the Western culture, but just disliking it, and then in reaction reasserting Islam, but then asserting it with extreme severity. The extreme severity ensures that Afghanistan can only become a warstate under the Taliban, aimed at destruction of the West. It cannot keep the focus internally to produce an Islamic state, but will be focused externally to destroy the West.mohammadnursyamsu
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A general speaks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87o_2hU7GCQkairosfocus
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Vivid, by and large if one did not soberly reason his/her way into a view in a polarised situation, s/he will not be reasoned out of it. Only pain and deep shame just might motivate breakdown of defensive psychologies and open up rethinking. Buyer's remorse is real. As for the US election, the willingness to tolerate an ever more dubious system is relevant, until the crucial bulk "mail-in" ballots came on board, cf u/d to OP on that from State Dept archives re Ukraine. You get what you enable. KF PS: Notice, capstone of the insurgency, a negotiated settlement. In this case withdrawal on defeat by exhaustion and short-sighted incompetence setting up what will follow.kairosfocus
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KF Excellent OP. In one sense I have never been more outraged at what I am witnessing on the other hand I’m not because “G]roups, communities, and nations usually get the government they deserve. “ Joe Biden was elected by the American people and we are getting exactly what we deserve and tragically the Afghan people will bear the worst of it short term and for the American people we will suffer for the blood on our hands longer term. In 1933 Adolf Hitler when asking for the German vote said “ Give me four years and you will not recognize Germany” At the time most Germans were dissatisfied with their country and Hitler made good on his promise! Joe Biden is not running the country he is barely coherent , I don’t know who are pulling the strings but just look at the damage that has been wrought in just 7 months and we still have over 3 years to go. Believe what you see and the simplest explanation one can conclude is that the chaos at our borders, our now reliance on OPEC oil, the stripping away of our freedoms because of “Covid” and now this inconceivable ineptitude in Afghanistan is being done on purpose. We also cannot forget the damning evidence that China has over Biden and his corrupt family that was censored and covered up by the mendacious media. No the American people are going to get exactly what we deserve. But hey “No more mean tweets” Oh I forgot Trump is banned from Twitter and Facebook now but not the Taliban The scariest statement today from Biden to me was this “The idea that somehow there's a way to have gotten out without chaos ensuring. I don't know how that happens." Unbelievable Vividvividbleau
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If one wants to listen to the most knowledgeable people on the planet in terms of terrorism, listen to John Batchelor’s interviews with Bill Roggio snd Tom Jocelyn from the Long War Journal. They have been on Batchelor’s show for almost 15 years discussing all aspects of Islamic terrorism from all over the world since just after 9/11. Here are their shows from the last three Monday nights. https://audioboom.com/posts/7925871-two-weeks-before-the-tragedy-classiclongwarjournal-billroggio-and-thomasjoscelyn-unbound-th https://audioboom.com/posts/7925872-one-week-before-the-tragedy-classiclongwarjournal-billroggio-and-thomasjoscelyn-unbound-the https://audioboom.com/posts/7925240-bill-roggio-and-tom-joscelyn-unbound-the-complete-forty-minute-interview-monday-august-16-2 Their website is https://www.longwarjournal.org/jerry
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Q, especially weakness of thought and will. Much as in the 1930's. The US still counts, especially the Navy, but it is facing a Vietnam malaise on steroids, with a raging 4th gen civil war at home to compound it. The pandemic panic and mess will not help matters. KFkairosfocus
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Sev, Levin raises a shocker, if confirmed. Presence down to 1500 non combat, another battalion of reaction forces based at Bagram, and negligible casualties for 18 months. That's close to the alternative I suggested above. My projection is, there will be an outrage, maybe a radiological or chemical bomb and there will be an Afghanistan II. There is a hint, Massoud's old Pansjir Valley stomping grounds are shaping up as a new Northern Alliance redoubt, the never defeated valley with light division strength troops already, but who will back them? Meanwhile, the real geostrategic game is in the rimlands. There may be a push to destabilise Pakistan, which would give any pretender to Mahdi-hood maybe 200 nukes, who knows and an air force and army. Iran is already rumbling and Israel will now act on its own, my bet is coming in from the Indian Ocean with ship-launched cruise missiles as first wave, if Iran gets even close to nukes. China makes no secret Taiwan is its next target . . . which gives it deep water sites on the Pacific for subs. I bet Japan, having been threatened, has assembled the devices it pretends not to have. S Korea and Taiwan will most likely go nuke, likely Australia (already built one generation of subs and working on a second), and possibly Singapore. India will shore up its defences. None of this is good for the world, but now no strategist in his right mind will trust the US. All of this is a nightmare as likelihood of a nuke exchange just went to just short of certain. KFkairosfocus
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I haven't ever watched Mark Levin and I couldn't bear watching it to the end, but I agree, Silver Asiatic. But the upshot of this disaster is that no country can count on the U.S. anymore, not Taiwan, not South Korea, not Japan, not Israel. What we learned from WW2 is that weakness, not strength, is provocative.
“You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war." Winston Churchill to Neville Chamberlain”
As a student of Bible prophecy, I can see that the U.S. has now become geopolitically irrelevant and without any stabilizing force, there will be opportunistic wars and genocides throughout the world in the political vacuum left by the U.S. In Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39, there's a list of countries that soon invade Israel from the north. Some of the nations listed are obscure, but in general the list contains primarily Turkey and Iran, possibly southern Russia, Libya (or maybe Rajput/Pakistan), Sudan (or maybe Hindu Kush/Pakistan/Afghanistan), but NOT Syria (Damascus is prophesied to be completely destroyed), NOT Egypt, NOT Jordan, and the Arabian states will NOT be in support. Hang on tight and let's see what happens next. Who knows, maybe Biden will surrender to Afghanistan and CNN will tell us that this was a wise move on his part. LOL -QQuerius
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The have you no shame moment, UK edn: https://twitter.com/JamesAALongman/status/1427954085324484608 we need to hear this.
A very moving speech and thank you for bringing it to our attention. This precipitate withdrawal has been an unmitigated disaster for Afghanistan. For politicians to pay lip-service to the principle of "the buck stops here" from the comfort and security of offices far removed from the real suffering rings hollow. When President Biden said:
So I’m left again to ask of those who argue that we should stay: How many more generations of America’s daughters and sons would you have me send to fight Afghanistan’s civil war when Afghan troops will not? How many more lives, American lives, is it worth, how many endless rows of headstones at Arlington National Cemetery? I’m clear on my answer: I will not repeat the mistakes we’ve made in the past. The mistake of staying and fighting indefinitely in a conflict that is not in the national interest of the United States, of doubling down on a civil war in a foreign country, of attempting to remake a country through the endless military deployments of U.S. forces. Those are the mistakes we cannot continue to repeat because we have significant vital interest in the world that we cannot afford to ignore.
it sounded like a noble sentiment. Why should the US spend lives and money trying to prop up such a distant country? Unfortunately, I heard in that an echo of a speech made over 80 years ago by British Prime Minister, Neville Chamberlain
How horrible, fantastic, incredible it is that we should be digging trenches and trying on gas-masks here because of a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing.
This was from a speech concerning the annexation of a region of Czechoslovakia called the Sudetenland by Nazi Germany. It was a concession to Hitler made in the forlorn hope it would buy him off and prevent a Second World War. It failed dismally, as the world learned to its cost. Of course, the hard reality at the time was that Britain and France did not have the power to do anything else to stop Hitler. One of the reasons for that situation was that those who had experienced the carnage of the First World War were prepared to do almost anything to prevent a second round, rather like Biden's desire to stop American lives and treasure being wasted in Afghanistan any longer. Unfortunately, noble as the sentiment might be, history suggest it doesn't work against ruthless regimes like the Nazis or Taliban. In Afghanistan, there were, at least for a time, the resources in theater to beat an enemy that lacked armor, artillery and, above all, air power. Either Allied forces were strategically and tactically incompetent or their hands were tied by domestic political considerations. Not that it matters a this point. It's now a question of rescuing whoever we can and hoping we don't live to regret it much more further down the line,Seversky
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I'm not a fan, but that was a powerful analysis - got to hand it to him. Yes, not the usual talking points but original thought and he really created a context for the disaster.Silver Asiatic
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F/N: Levin raises a sobering alternative https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0UW5ccgXiA Again, not in the usual chyrons and bullet point or talking point lists. KFkairosfocus
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The have you no shame moment, UK edn: https://twitter.com/JamesAALongman/status/1427954085324484608 we need to hear this.kairosfocus
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F/N: I am seeing the oh the war was kept going to feed the fat cats at the money trough. I don't think that's fair. A hard lesson was taught 20 years ago, and it was long since forgotten that some feared a nuke strike was possible. Anthrax seems to have been used. Oh yes, did I forget to note that in the general context Libya gave up its nuke programme? The logic is brutal. If terrorists are harboured by rogue states and attack anywhere, the pirate's nest is as guilty as the pirates. Do we want to be taught this again, with a mushroom cloud hovering over the glowing remains of a city of millions? How easily we forget, and yes how easily the corrupt and incompetent worm their way in. I recall here how generals were fired in job lots in North Africa in 1942/3. Churchill ran through a long list of Generals until Montgomery could use overwhelming force and an invasion at the back door. Stalin, notoriously invited generals to lunch then sent them to the cellars to be shot. Strategy is hard, and most global geostrategic contests of the past 600 years since Cheng Ho set out, have been multigenerational. Arguably our WW1 and 2 were in reality the second 30 years German war. The Anglo-French wars ran for 600 years. And more. So, refocus. The cold war ran for a generation, the real WW3. The USSR was defeated and with it relatively orthodox marxism and linked economics. Before it was over, radical Islam returned to its former agenda and set out on a 100 year global conquest Mahdism apocalyptic struggle; 1979, Iran. I first saw the 100 year map on 9/11. In addition, China seeks blue ocean breakout and linked domination. In the West, cultural and similar forms of marxism rose to prominence. We are seeing a 4th gen, global geostrategic conflict, with the US civil war 2 cum red guard colour revolution with election hanky panky, as one theatre of operations. I think, a spoiling operation creating a distraction that opens opportunities elsewhere. The pandemic opened up opportunities to push agendas now rather than later. I think the red guards will lose but the geostrategic butcher's bill will be high. Especially if China gets through on blue ocean breakout. Before 1914 Britain pulled in its fleet resources to hold the line on Germany's threatening breakout on a smaller ocean. In WW2 it did the same and see what the subs they could not block did. In the cold war, the GIUK gap was vital. The recent event is a global shock, due to the global struggle. See the 2016 chart in the op. I could not conceive that any US admin could be this incompetent. My bad, add in a line of action from W China to neighbouring Afghanistan then Pakistan thus India one way, and through Iran to the Gulf the other. Don't forget the line of barriers off China's coast, from Japan and s Korea to Taiwan and the Philippines. Australia and Singapore to the S are also relevant. If the US Navy fails to hold the line, chaos. Africa, poor Africa. The Caribbean, we are the US underbelly. We better wake up fast. KFkairosfocus
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