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The weekend marked a shock-wave event, the rapid fall of Kabul that was not supposed to happen.

Twenty years of nation-building attempt failures, a poorly managed withdrawal, abandonment of 14 – 86,000 supportive allies, logistically crippled government forces and likely bribing local commanders led to a one-week collapse. This primarily speaks to strategic and operational incompetence of the US decision-makers as a class as a better managed withdrawal was clearly feasible and a soft landing end state was arguably possible. Trillions wasted, with blood also on the line.

Predictably, mass murders, return to utter unbridled barbarism, hosting of terrorism and likely a surge in opium-based drugs esp. Heroin. More subtly, Afghanistan counts as in the direction of Khorasan in Islamist readings of apocalyptic hadiths so we can expect a mahdist push; only utter shocking defeat will stop that, a horrific shock comparable to that of August 1945. Meanwhile, China next door likely is trying to use money to influence the situation.

I find this commentary by a veteran useful:

I offer this main point: the government of Afghanistan lost the “Mandate of Heaven.” The people of Afghanistan had twenty years to experience Afghan government and decide that it was not worth fighting for. The stories are legion: the first president, Karzai, constantly releasing captured terrorist leaders as he dealt directly with the Taliban. President Karzai’s brother being the top gangster of Kandahar. The Afghan Air Force heroin-smuggling ring. The Thursday Man Love sessions for all the pedophiles of the Afghan police and military. The “ghost” soldiers and ever-stolen supplies of the Afghan Army. The massive vote fraud of the Afghan presidential elections. The Afghan judges who gave no justice without a bribe. In sum, the Afghan government had the façade of a constitutional system — but inside its halls, it was a collection of thieves and robbers getting as much as could be gotten while the money was flowing.

There has apparently never been a cohesive, lawful Afghanistan, and that creates a culture of lawless oligarchy, even when trappings of democracy are imposed. I note, though that we need to account for differential performance, as the Pushtun behind the Taliban are not an outright majority. The operational answer points to logistical starvation [no beans and bullets to fight with, after taking 60,000 dead in trying to defend a failing state], a lockdown on technical support that grounded the air force. All of which had to be known to the US decision makers. Their failure to do right by 86,000 people as listed who put their life on the line shows the fundamental untrustworthiness and want of honour of the American decision makers. And this is the second time within fifty years.

I don’t buy the oh this was not expected. Contrast the open borders policy with this breach of honour betrayal of people who put their lives on the line in a now failed attempt to build a better future.

A bruised reed indeed.

The vet continues:

[G]roups, communities, and nations usually get the government they deserve.  A virtuous people is usually ruled fairly well — an anarchic people either collapses into anarchy or is ruled strictly.  I think this was President Bush’s major conceptual strategic mistake in the post-9-11 wars.  He believed that every nation longed for freedom and was capable of democratic self-government.  As we have learned the hard way, our American constitutional government was not just ordered into existence by the Founders; it is the heritage of untold generations of Germanic tribal self-government, the monastic stewarding of the Roman legacy of education, the Anglo-Saxon traditions of consultative government, the compromise of the Magna Carta, the residue of the English Civil Wars and Bill of Rights, and the self-governing experience of the Pilgrims and the colonial founders in the New World interacting with the French and Scottish Enlightenment.

This was not Afghanistan’s experience — the many peoples of Afghanistan lacked the human capital to democratically govern themselves.  The vast majority of Afghans could not read, write, or numerate — parts of Afghan Army basic training were simply teaching soldiers to recognize numbers.  The few Afghan elites were ethnically divided and mutually suspicious.  Often there was no tradition of peaceful self-governance — of the clans living in a valley, often there would be a low-level war among them over resources.  Simply put, the Afghans were not truly capable of self-governing democracy in the Jeffersonian sense.  Therefore, they could not create a government worth dying for.

Sadly, we Americans ourselves also lacked the moral clarity and realism to even try to make the conditions to help build a moral government.  All too often the phrase “it’s an Afghan matter” was used as a rationale to excuse some immoral action of our Afghan government partners.  We saw the evil actions of the Afghan government officials but did nothing about it — in great contrast to the colonial heyday, when British officials would say, “It may be your tradition to burn widows alive, but it is my tradition to hang those who do so.”  We simply shrugged our shoulders and said, “It’s the culture” as we tolerated the evil that destroyed the legitimacy of the Afghan government.

This of course speaks to the cultural buttresses I have often highlighted in discussing an alternative political spectrum:

This leads to explaining what we see as a slide to lawless oligarchy and a coup:

The lessons for the threatening disintegration of cultural buttresses in the US and elsewhere are obvious.

Let’s look at the geostrategic picture:

Afghanistan is an obvious move for China’s Silk Road push to the oil-rich ME and a land bridge to Pakistan, but brings up a contest with Iran and further alienation of India and the belt of states on China’s near-coastal rim from Singapore to Japan and South Korea.

The American geostrategic defeat, retreat and humiliation, combined with a largely continental mindset, points to the post Vietnam malaise as a direct parallel. This also further alienates the dissatisfied hinterland people from the patently incompetent establishment/deep state apostates.

The 4th generation conflict in the US ratcheted up and its inner cohesiveness just got another crack. I still believe the cultural marxists, their red guard cannon fodder and media promoters will lose, but the geostrategic butcher’s bill is going to be high. END

PS: What might a soft landing have looked like? If the Jordanian model of a stabilising adequately backed military had been followed and perhaps a lawful monarchy with a core western presence present to take the two generations to build capacity, something might have been possible. However the depth of corruption may have undermined even that.

U/D: Here is a State Dept archive on mail-in ballots:

Similarly, the highly relevant McFaul colour revolution model and SOCOM insurgency escalator:

F/N Aug 19: A General’s assessment:

U/D Aug 21, the map seen on 9-11, with the 100 year global conquest vision also expressed in the Muslim Brotherhood The Project Document captured by Swiss Financial Police:

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F/N: A tweet, geostrategic consequences in the eurasian rimlands: https://twitter.com/NewDayForNJ/status/1427665818876321793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw >>Tricia Flanagan (R-NJ) @NewDayForNJ · 23h BREAKING— China has deployed warships & fighter jets off Taiwan Coast [--> apparently it claims provocations] & Iran is accelerating uranium enrichment to near weapons-grade. Biden’s Afghanistan is already registering aftershocks.>> Heeere come the geostrat vultures. When a great power that guards the peace shows weakness or incompetence . . .kairosfocus
August 18, 2021
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KF @ 22 She offered a good overview - seems right. Trump wanted an America-First agenda which seemed reasonable to me. But at the same time we made pledges and demanded loyalty from people overseas. Plus, we tried to sell people on American democracy and self-rule but at the same time built dependency from the people on American support. Rather than just walking away, it would be more honest for leadership to say "we were defeated by the Taliban and had to retreat". But instead, they blame the people who did not invite American support, but then had to put trust and loyalty in it as the war raged on.
“We gave them every chance to determine their own future,” President Biden said in his address Monday
That wrongly assumes that people are ready and willing to take on self-rule, especially after centuries where a strong ruler guided their nation and the people do not get involved in politics. But more importantly, Biden is blaming the victims in this case - and that is ugly to see.Silver Asiatic
August 18, 2021
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F/N: Listen to an authentic Afghan voice, a 23 year old young lady https://twitter.com/AlinejadMasih/status/1427526187916701718 She speaks of forced marriages and more. KFkairosfocus
August 18, 2021
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F/N: Lt Col Shaffer gives a different perspective on agreements, changes [e.g. conditional drawdown vs . . . ] and collapse https://www.infowars.com/posts/exclusive-interview-bidens-bluster-in-afghanistan-exposed/ (As usual now, we have to go to the marginalised to get what's not on the standard hymn sheet.) KFkairosfocus
August 18, 2021
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F/N: Secretary Rice speaks out: https://archive.is/NRaG0
The past years in Afghanistan have been difficult for every president, our armed forces, our allies and our country. The sacrifices of those who served — and those who died — will forever sear our national memory. Each of us who held positions of authority over those years made mistakes — not because we didn’t try or were heedless of the challenges. But the United States could not afford to ignore the rogue state that harbored those who attacked us on 9/11. The time will come to assess where we failed — and what we achieved. In the wake of Kabul’s fall, though, a corrosive and deeply unfair narrative is emerging: to blame the Afghans for how it all ended. The Afghan security forces failed. The Afghan government failed. The Afghan people failed. “We gave them every chance to determine their own future,” President Biden said in his address Monday — as if the Afghans had somehow chosen the Taliban. No — they didn’t choose the Taliban. They fought and died alongside us, helping us degrade al-Qaeda. Working with the Afghans and our allies, we gained time to build a counterterrorism presence around the world and a counterterrorism apparatus at home that has kept us safe. In the end, the Afghans couldn’t hold the country without our airpower and our support. It is not surprising that Afghan security forces lost the will to fight, when the Taliban warned that the United States was deserting them and that those who resisted would see their families killed. No — they didn’t choose the Taliban. They seized the chance to create a modern society where girls could attend school, women could enter professions and human rights would be respected. No — they didn’t choose the Taliban. They built a fledgling democracy with elected leaders who often failed but didn’t brutalize their people as so many regimes in the region do. It was a government that never managed to tame corruption and the drug trade. In this, Afghanistan had plenty of company across the globe. Twenty years was not enough to complete a journey from the 7th-century rule of the Taliban and a 30-year civil war to a stable government. Twenty years may also not have been enough to consolidate our gains against terrorism and assure our own safety. We — and they — needed more time.
Food for thought. KFkairosfocus
August 18, 2021
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There were problems from the start. A general should have been chosen to run the country who had a knack for it. Someone like an Eisenhower or MacArthur would have done well. Most Afghani people hated the Taliban, but respected their strength. A general who projected the strength they respect would have been a start on a much more solid footing. There was no pressure put on Pakistan, who funded and hid those we were fighting. Iraq may have paid more, but Pakistan offered more ground than the Iraqis. Financial pressure was needed, but never happened under any administration. The mountains between Pakistan and Afghanistan hold vast cave networks that are still being used. Those caves should have been destroyed. It would limit their movement. The tribes, particularly in the mountain region, were friendly and welcoming of the terrorists. The people should have been forced to be moved to another area and every village destroyed to take away support of the locals. The Afghan military should have had minimal involvement. Generations of mistrust to not disappear overnight. The various tribes who were fighting with us were also fighting amongst themselves. Ultimately, President Biden is responsible for the poor handling of the pullout. The Taliban spent a week making inroads, which should have altered course. The suffering that is happening, at least much of it, could have been prevented had President Biden not been so fixated on pulling out no matter the cost.BobRyan
August 17, 2021
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What? American condescension of Afghans? I don't think so. More probably hyper cultural sensitivity ordered from above, leading to no meaningful emotional bonds being forged. Then the Afghan government corrupted with materialist socialism from the university educated. Materialists meaning, PEOPLE WHO DO NOT ACCEPT THE SUBJECTIVE REALITY OF THE HUMAN SPIRIT MAKING CHOICES. So then no meaningful Afghani national spirit can be cultured in that environment of total spiritual corruption.mohammadnursyamsu
August 17, 2021
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Seversky @ 17 Agreed. Matt Zeller made it clear that a plan was provided that would have saved lives. In other words, our people on the ground are not totally incompetent as it has been made to seem. It was a failure in leadership - a failure to care about people. I agree also that there has been attitudes of looking down on the people we were helping, and that dehumanizes them.
I believe that, given the political will and resources, it would have been possible to inflict heavy casualties on the Taliban and to have driven them back across the border into Pakistan.
Our troops complained that their commanders didn't give a decisive plan like that. The lack of political will cuts across both parties over 4 administrations, so it's a significant problem.Silver Asiatic
August 17, 2021
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Everybody misunderstands the Taliban https://twitter.com/adagamov/status/1427536399570513942 Taken about 12 hours ago. They just wanted to go to the amusement park. Next stop - Disney World.jerry
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U.S. Army veteran Matt Zeller passionate reply on MSNBC about Biden’s remarks on Afghanistan: https://twitter.com/i/status/1427386966685913092
I wholeheartedly agree with everything Matt Zeller said. The US still has not learned the lessons of Korea, Vietnam or Iran that you do not build durable new democratic states by propping up corrupt, incompetent and unpopular proxies. I don't know if this is a more shameful failure than the ceding of the Sudetenland before WWII or the panic-stricken evacuation of Saigon that precipitated the loss of Vietnam but it's certainly on a par, in my view What I found to be both outrageous and contemptible was the "victim-shaming" of the Afghan forces. I've watched a number of "fly-on-the-wall" documentaries showing US and British troops in the field fighting alongside Afghan units. What I saw was that the US and British troops had the latest weapons, technology, body-armor, webbing equipment, combat clothing, etc and could call on modern artillery and air support, as you would expect. Just about everything the Afghans had, in contrast, look like second-rate, hand-me-downs at best, Couple that with the fact that US and European troops most probably looked down on the "ragheads" just as they looked down on the "gooks" in Korea and Vietnam and it's a wonder they bothered to turn up at all. But turn up they did and fought and took much heavier casualties than US or NATO forces. That, in spite of poor tactical deployments, unreliable or non-existent re-supply of arms, ammunition, food and water and not even being paid for months on end. I believe that, given the political will and resources, it would have been possible to inflict heavy casualties on the Taliban and to have driven them back across the border into Pakistan. That was not to be, however, and we are now confronted with a debacle which should cost senior military and political leaders their careers but almost certainly won't.Seversky
August 17, 2021
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KF, so you put it down to oversight of a series of practical problems. If only someone had filled the order for the ammunition, etc. Obviously practical problems would get solved with motivation.mohammadnursyamsu
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MNY, actually, I am seeing issues of lack of logistics to sustain a fight, not mere want of will. For example want of technical support, per orders by the Americans blocking such, put the air force out of action. There are reports of being unpaid, lacking ammunition etc. Such was pointed to before you commented. KFkairosfocus
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U.S. Army veteran Matt Zeller passionate reply on MSNBC about Biden’s remarks on Afghanistan: https://twitter.com/i/status/1427386966685913092Silver Asiatic
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But one of those answers (why we lost) may be that the population of Afghanistan has firmly rejected what our leaders were selling it over 20 years. It turns out that the people of Afghanistan don't actually want gender studies symposium. They didn't actually buy the idea that men can become pregnant. they thought that was ridiculous. They don't hate their own masculinity. they don't think it's toxic, they like the patriarchy, some other women like it. So now they are getting it all back. So maybe it's possible that we failed in Afghanistan because the entire neoliberal program is grotesque, it's a joke, it's contrary to human nature, it answers none of our deepest human desires, it is merely a performance stage for the performer, not even supposed to improve your life. it's ridiculous. Afghanistan is not the first country in our leaders have left worse than they found it. the list of those countries as long. part of the reason is for decades, left-wing academics in the u.s. have used the developing world as a laboratory to test their theories about how societies ought to be ordered but aren't. Over time, they have constructed the federal government of NGOs that work alongside the pentagon and state department's to impose radical socialism projects on the world's poorest people who have no say in the matter. Over the last 20 years for example, congress has allocated close to a billion dollars to export feminism to Afghanistan. where did that money go? and went to a two year's masters degree in gender and women's studies offered at kabul university. another u.s. government effort was to find activities that educate Afghan men's and boys to challenge gender stereotypes. and of course, American funded gender advisors demanding that women compromise at least 10% of the Afghan national army and a still larger proportion of that country's political leadership thanks to American impose gender quotas, dozens of women ultimately were installed as representatives, how does that work? the whole thing was a sham as always. in fact, many of these new female legislators had never been to the provinces they claim to represent. almost nobody in Afghanistan liked any of this, by the way, and why would they? there is one official conceded in a classified report, "focusing on gender may make things more unstable because it causes revolts. it caused revolts. but officials kept doing it, they kept pushing radical gender politics anyway because they could because they were in charge of these people they were going to educate. this is the face of the late American empire, gender studies seminars at gunpoint for this is not like other empires. unlike other empires, our system operates for our benefit. they took no oil, remember that? instead, the entire point of our imperial project is to give meaning to the empty lives of the neoliberal. Tucker Carlson: We are led by buffoons, everything they touch turns to chaos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXtwuO-ZUR0&t=709s
Silver Asiatic
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KF, totally nonresponsive. The problem was lack of motivation to fight. So even when clearly emotions are a real issue, you manage to avoid the issue completely. The Afghani's were flushed with cash, free stuff, and then value signalling things like cultural sensitivity, and women's rights. Basically socialist policy. I remember Iraq was getting crushed by Islamic state in a blitzkrieg as well. I don't really remember how they turned that around. With the help of others, but the Iraqi army was the weakly motivated, who initially got run over, just the same as the Afghan army.mohammadnursyamsu
August 17, 2021
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Credit to the air crew who loaded the C17 with as many passengers as possible, but still it was only 640. The most ever on a flight like that. https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/08/16/mind-boggling-pic-of-people-who-made-it-on-to-the-c-17-out-of-kabul-n427900 But whether it's a good idea to resettle the entire Afghan population in the US is another question.Silver Asiatic
August 17, 2021
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MNY, tribal loyalties brought together through sound mutuality of good leaders has often proved successful; cf the Kurds in Iraq and Syria. I suspect the murder of Massoud in 2001, as a first step to the 9/11 attacks played a part in undermining such genuine building. KFkairosfocus
August 17, 2021
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The US policy makers created weakness in Afghanistan through socialist materialist policy coming from Western universities. Basically it imposed Western decay on Afghanistan. It is just impossible to have a vigorous Aghani spirit, when you are clueless about what the spirit is. Western decay is also prevalent on uncommon descent. There is no general agreement about what "spirit" is supposed to mean. No general agreement on what an emotion is. So then how are you going to get motivated to fight, when you are clueless about what an emotion even is? I try to explain on various forums how subjectivity works. That is obviously a number 1 concern when the issue is motivation. Nobody is interested in it. Everyone is totally obsessed with facts, objectivity. Subjectivity is only assumed, never explained. Subjectivity is an inherently creationist concept. A subjective opinion is formed by choice, and expresses what it is that makes a choice. That is the underlying logic of any subjective opinion. Subjectivity is validated in category 1 of the creationist conceptual scheme. 1. Creator / chooses / spiritual / subjective / opinion 2. Creation / chosen / material / objective / fact But then we have the masses of the fact obsessed, who insist that God must be objective. And the atheists who do not even accept choice is real, so then they throw out the subjective spirit making choices by that. Always subjectivity get's to be mangled and disregarded, and everyone is focused on objectivity.mohammadnursyamsu
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CD, there are models of governance success in the ME, and such was worth the try. Dishonourably abandoning those who put life on the line -- LISTED at 86,000 (watch the vid) -- does not even come into that excuse's ballpark. Such dishonourable conduct is itself evidence on a lot of other issues a lot closer to home, some of which patently helped set up this fiasco. For dishonour, there is no excuse and it has very long term consequences; going forward, only an utter incompetent ignoramus will take the US's words in a risky situation seriously. KF PS: Nor do I buy your convenient blame shifting. C 2001, there was little choice but to intervene and over years good faith efforts were made to build a stable solution. I think some of that was misdirected; note my Jordan, Arab Legion model. A base -- e.g. Bagram -- with such a force which enabled proper maintenance and could function as a backup could have made a difference. Arguably, moving away from cultural relativism too. FYI, India worked, starting with fairly unpromising circumstances. What is on the table that must not be ducked or blame shifted is a disastrous, dishonourable withdrawal that abandoned many to a predictably grisly fate, where there were fairly obvious alternatives.kairosfocus
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SA, no it is not careless, it is dishonourable. KFkairosfocus
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Nation building as failed policy. The British failed in Afghanistan. The Soviets failed in Afghanistan. The United States now fails in Afghanistan. This fiasco needs to laid squarely on the doorsteps of Cheney and Rumsfeld whos hubris and utter lack of the historical finds us now at the center of yet another preventable disaster. I believe it was George Santayana who said that those who do not heed history are doomed to repeat it.chuckdarwin
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Biden and his cohorts have no religion and the Afghan military and the Taliban are Muslim.
Yes. The Biden team's atheist-secularism created weakness. Like an LGBT military with women in combat and diversity training instead of strategy. The Taliban saw it. Some believe Trump would have carried more authority and backed up the military with hard-action and thus given everyone a softer landing. I don't know. But the present policy is abandonment and carelessness. It's a breakdown in commitment which is an erosion of morals from the American side. Getting the Afghani nationals to trust and build on American support and then just pulling out leaving them totally exposed to violence is inhumane. It's like the most crass commercialism or financier: "Trust your life savings to me" and later when it goes bankrupt or fails from incompetency -- "sorry, that's the breaks". Agreed that the lack of religious conviction just emptied the purpose and will to victory. As stated, the Taliban fought with intensity for faith and tribe. They give their whole life to what they believe is true. U.S. Christian warriors did the same, but we lost many because of woke politics which spread to military leadership. We also lost 60,000 vets to suicide - more than died in Vietnam. Lack of meaning, strategy, support, commitment to the nation, no love from the people, killing of religious conviction in the culture -- all that plays a part.
Asabiyyah is strongest in the nomadic phase, and decreases as civilization advances.[4] As this declines, another more compelling asabiyyah may take its place; thus, civilizations rise and fall, and history describes these cycles as they play out.
Interesting. Makes me wonder if financial-success and affluence in the U.S. breaks down that bond. And the continued nomadic approach in Afghanistan keeps the bond strong.Silver Asiatic
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One of the smartest men in history along with other greats such as Socrates and Ben Franklin is Ibn Khaldun. His concept of Asabiyyah explains everything.
a concept of social solidarity with an emphasis on unity, group consciousness, and a sense of shared purpose and social cohesion,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asabiyyah The recent expression
politics is downstream from culture but culture is downstream from religion
also explains it. Biden and his cohorts have no religion and the Afghan military and the Taliban are Muslim. Though the Taliban are very intense, they are all Muslims. Just as the US was more cohesive when nearly all were Christians despite differences in some doctrines.jerry
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P, this was not an issue of mere bureaucracy, neither in Kabul nor Washington. This was a matter of massive cultural failure in Afghanistan and incipient cultural failure in the US manifesting in incompetent and dishonourable leadership at strategic and operational levels. KFkairosfocus
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Parkinson explains everything simply. Bureaucracies grow. That's all. Bureaucracies never solve problems. Bureaucracies keep problems running and make them worse, so the agency can justify more budget and power. That's all.polistra
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With reluctance, on Geostrategic developments, fall of Kabul . . .kairosfocus
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