Guttmacher vs Worldometer on Abortion statistics

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January 2, 2021

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Unintended pregnancy and abortion are experiences shared by people around the world. These reproductive health outcomes occur irrespective of country income level, region or the legal status of abortion.
Roughly 121 million unintended pregnancies occurred each year between 2015 and 2019.^*
Of these unintended pregnancies, 61% ended in abortion. This translates to 73 million abortions per year.

Worldometer has flopped over to 2021. A captured image gives abortion numbers per WHO for 2020:

The 30 million spread simply tells us that these statistics are problematic. However the message — an ugly one — is clear. END

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JVL, neat side track attempt. You know that I have long been on record that riot is never justified in any reasonably lawful state. Of course, when I was pointing that out all summer [including a specific scriptural case Ac 19] you were conspicuously missing in action on the point across a summer of red guard colour/culture revolution rioting which has been material to industrial scale election fraud that now is opening up into posing an existential threat to liberty; with incalculable but very bad consequences to follow. Meanwhile, you clearly have nothing substantial to answer to the horrific reality of the worst holocaust in history, proceeding under colour of law. Duly noted. KFkairosfocus_{January 7, 2021
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Kairosfocus: the willful destruction of innocent human life is inexcusable, period. What do you think about bypassing due process and the constitutional processes as is clearly being demonstrated by Trump supporters in the US capitol?JVL_{January 6, 2021
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VL, the willful destruction of innocent human life is inexcusable, period. Anything that manifests such is wrong. KFkairosfocus_{January 6, 2021
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SA2, in short, you are an enabler of holocaust. Sad. KFkairosfocus_{January 6, 2021
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KF, I assume you are opposed to all IVF processes. True? Is every embryo started in vitro, outside the womb, and later discarded for whatever reason a murder?Viola Lee_{January 6, 2021
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Kairosfocus “ SA2, Multiply “I don’t see” (a Freudian slip) by “I don’t care” (a declaration of willful blindness in the face of holocaust) and the result is even worse.” No, it is simply a declaration that I don’t care about your opinion on this subject. I don’t mean this as an insult so please don’t take it as one. I am sure that there are millions of peoples’ opinions that I don't care about, as there are millions who don’t care about many of my opinions. That is just the nature of our gregarious existence and having free will. All I know is that there are two beautiful young people wandering this earth (actually, more than a million in the US alone). I would prefer if the IVF process didn’t often result in non-viable or non-implanted embryos. And I would also prefer that the success rate was higher than it currently is. But I don’t regret for one minute the decisions my daughter made. If you think this makes me an immoral person, that is your opinion and you are entitled to hold it. But as I mentioned, I have no obligation to accept or care about your opinion. But I think I have talked enough about this subject. I am obviously not going to change your mind, and you aren’t going to change mine. Any more discussion would be futile as we would not be engaging in a discussion, we would just both be sermonizing.Steve Alten2_{January 6, 2021
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SA2 and ET, the side track is a needless distraction. It is clear that the reality on the table to be faced is 42 - 73 million of our living posterity in the womb snuffed out last year. If we are to believe Planned Parenthood's Guttmacher estimate, 70million or so for the past several years. Blood guilt of that magnitude -- well beyond the death toll of WW2 -- is utterly corrosive. We owe Stalin, Mao and the Nazis an apology. That is how bad we are as a generation. KFkairosfocus_{January 6, 2021
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LoL! My conclusion is not unwarranted. It is more than telling that right after one insipid troll gets banned another steps in with the SAME family history. Engage in a conversation? With you? Too funny...ET_{January 6, 2021
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ET@67, just that she had IVF because of damaged Fallopian tubes, one of the main reasons for people seeking IVF. I was just confused by your strange comment about a recently banned commenter. I can’t stop you from drawing unwarranted conclusions but it seems like a strange way to engage in a conversation.Steve Alten2_{January 6, 2021
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Stevie:
What family history?
Yours, duh. Or are you too dim to remember what you posted about your daughter?ET_{January 6, 2021
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Sev, your problem, regrettably, is a fallacious view of law and lawfulness. Law is not whatever those who control legal presses issue under colour, ceremonies or robes of law. That is, legal positivism, so-called, is fallacious on its face. If law is not anchored on legitimacy thus justice -- the due balance of rights, freedoms and duties (due, implying built-in, inescapable moral government coeval with our human nature and requiring mutual consistency of rights and freedom claims) -- it becomes brigandage writ large and imposed by lawless . . . unjust, so arbitrary, irrational and abusive . . . power. As for dragging in scriptures, at first level, it is enough to note that Moses, David and Solomon (also evidently Ezra in the preface Prov 1:1 - 7) and Paul all endorsed the core natural law principle. Isaiah made a famous remark on irrationality and injustice of inversion, and Jesus actually used natural law reasoning in a key exchange with the Judaean leadership. In short, the Judaeo-Christian perspective endorses the principle that there is an intelligible, built in moral government and law in us attested by sound conscience and by extension anchored on inescapable, so self-evident first duties of reason. In the second instance it is enough to note the exchange between Elizabeth (with John in the 5th or 6th month) and Mary (with Jesus within the six week window of early pregnancy) to dismiss any and all attempts to suggest that the scriptures do not recognise the spiritual nature of the human being from earliest days in the womb. But that is itself an invitation to a side-track on how the pro life view is about imposition of theocratic tyranny. Not so. The reality suppressed through now nearly fatal erosion of the moral fabric that holds civilisation together is that, inescapably, we are morally governed creatures, which -- yes -- points to our roots in a Source of reality who is inherently good and utterly wise. (This, BTW, implies also that we do not need a design inference on empirical signs to try to erect a proof of God; more than adequate warrant for God as root of reality comes long since from the basic facts of morally governed rationality. The design inference on reliable sign is a matter of inductive and scientific integrity under duties of reason. Yes, at cosmological level it does put God back in the picture as adequate designer and builder of worlds, but that is secondary.) Let me remind, as we are now officially -- I am tempted to echo Nate Marling, of-fish-ially -- in the phase of reformation of a badly damaged civilisation, of where we need to start:
We can readily identify at least seven inescapable first duties of reason. "Inescapable," as they are so antecedent to reasoning that even the objector implicitly appeals to them; i.e. they are self-evident. Namely, duties, to truth, to right reason, to prudence, to sound conscience, to neighbour; so also, to fairness and justice etc. Such built-in . . . thus, universal . . . law is not invented by parliaments, kings or courts, nor can these principles and duties be abolished by such; they are recognised, often implicitly as an indelible part of our evident nature. Hence, "natural law," coeval with our humanity, famously phrased in terms of "self-evident . . . rights . . . endowed by our Creator" in the US Declaration of Independence, 1776. (Cf. Cicero in De Legibus, c. 50 BC.) Indeed, it is on this framework that we can set out to soundly understand and duly balance rights, freedoms and duties; which is justice, the pivot of law. The legitimate main task of government, then, is to uphold and defend the civil peace of justice through sound community order reflecting the built in, intelligible law of our nature. Where, as my right implies your duty a true right is a binding moral claim to be respected in life, liberty, honestly aquired property, innocent reputation etc. To so justly claim a right, one must therefore demonstrably be in the right. Likewise, Aristotle long since anticipated Pilate's cynical "what is truth?": truth says of what is, that it is; and of what is not, that it is not. [Metaphysics, 1011b, C4 BC.] Simple in concept, but hard to establish on the ground; hence -- in key part -- the duties to right reason, prudence, fairness etc. Thus, too, we may compose sound civil law informed by that built-in law of our responsibly, rationally free morally governed nature; from such, we may identify what is unsound or false thus to be reformed or replaced even though enacted under the colour and solemn ceremonies of law. The first duties, also, are a framework for understanding and articulating the corpus of built-in law of our morally governed nature, antecedent to civil laws and manifest our roots in the Supreme Law-giver, the inherently good, utterly wise and just creator-God, the necessary (so, eternal), maximally great being at the root of reality.
Given ongoing holocaust, industrial scale increasingly institutionalised electoral fraud, major media and tech houses devoted to narrative rather than truth and soundness and corruption of sound constitutional order, the issue on the table is to defend, reform and rebuild sound civilisation. This central evil is at the heart of what we must highlight if we are to do so. Evil, holocaust and fraud are never legitimate. KFkairosfocus_{January 6, 2021
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SA2, Multiply "I don't see" (a Freudian slip) by "I don't care" (a declaration of willful blindness in the face of holocaust) and the result is even worse. Yes, it is clear that you are playing the troll -- likely, again -- and are refusing to acknowledge simple facts: half the time, new life in the womb is not even the same sex as his mother [so much for "it's my body"], and that new life is both human and innocent. The willful slaughter last year of 42 - 73 million of our living posterity in the womb therefore indicts our generation, especially given the cumulative toll since the early 70's, credibly 800+ millions, maybe even the 1.4+ billions in statistical estimates, there are no accurate adequate records. Thus too, too much of the noise over pandemic is tainted by our knowledge from this of the true view on the sacredness of human life held by those trying to manipulate politically through exploiting pandemic concerns. (And yes, we duly note how the UK has gone back into strict lockdown in face of an emerging further strain that may make the vaccines significantly ineffective; such re-opens issues on agit prop driven suppression of credible but politically inconvenient treatments.) The abortion holocaust is the central, metastasising evil of our time and if we are to rescue civilisation, that will have to be focal. Thank you for your inadvertent service to showing our desperate need for deep and wide sound reformation, by own goal. KFkairosfocus_{January 6, 2021
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ET “ Weird how Steve Alten2 has the same family history as a recently banned insipid troll.” What family history? Does this site ban people who support IVF?Steve Alten2_{January 5, 2021
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Has someone been banned? Is that announced, or are they just "disappeared"?Viola Lee_{January 5, 2021
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Weird how Steve Alten2 has the same family history as a recently banned insipid troll. Pathetic, really.ET_{January 5, 2021
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Abortion is murder as science says that life starts at conception and that said life is human. It has NOTHING to do with any beliefs. That said, God isn't involved in the developmental process.ET_{January 5, 2021
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Abortion is not murder because, within certain limits, it is not unlawful - not yet, at least. I don't doubt the sincerity of those who oppose abortion but their certainty lacks any strong Scriptural warrant. And if their God does not care that much then why should they? Are they not raising their judgement over His? That said, I personally believe that the right to life should be granted to the whole of an individual human being's existence, from zygote to death. But that is only my belief. There are many who believe otherwise with equal sincerity. If those who oppose abortion want their beliefs to be made law, they will have to carry a majority of their fellow Americans with them. That means convincing their opponents that they care for the rights and well-being of the mother with the same passion they feel for the rights and well-being of her unborn child.Seversky_{January 5, 2021
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KairosFocus “ SA2, the diagnostic words are “I don’t see.”” I apologize. I should say that “I don’t care” what your opinion is. There are two people alive, healthy and happy who wouldn’t exist if you got your way. Do you honestly want to be the one to tell them that their existence is the result of evil? If so, I respectfully propose that you are seeing evil in a mirror.Steve Alten2_{January 5, 2021
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SA2, the diagnostic words are "I don't see." Think about what you just acknowledged inadvertently. BTW, at root, decrees under colour of law can be and have been awful examples of lawlessness. That the institutions of law and justice have enabled what we are seeing is an indictment, not a commendation. KFkairosfocus_{January 5, 2021
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I don’t see how discarding non-viable embryos fertilized in a Petri dish as part of the IVF process is murder. And, thankfully, the law agrees with me.Steve Alten2_{January 5, 2021
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Viola Lee- as I said I have not looked into what the IVF process involves, the point I was making was that S.A.2 was saying dont tell me such and such a thing is wrong sure how can it be just take a look at my two beautiful grand daughters. Well as we all know using the ends(2 beautiful grand daughters) to justify the means is a slippery slope . The policy of never doing evil that good might come of it ,is right every time, deciding what is actually evil is another story , I take my morals from an all knowing moral law giver I find this a better option than trusting my feeling, gut, desires,wants,situation,or outcome,etcMarfin_{January 5, 2021
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Yes, it is important to know who thinks that murder is wrong and who thinks it's OK. You are one who thinks murder is OK. It is important for me to know there are people who think as wrongly as you do. Thanks.ET_{January 5, 2021
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OK, that's clear. I strongly disagree, but I think it's important for me to know that there are people who think as you do. Thanks.Viola Lee_{January 5, 2021
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Again, for the learning impaired: SCIENCE says that life starts at conception. If it is a human embryo then it is a human life. I say that IVF should be outlawed.ET_{January 5, 2021
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So, ET, I take it that you think the IVF process involves killing human beings because of all the embryos that are started but never implanted. True?Viola Lee_{January 5, 2021
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JVL:
Well, for example: I think some people (here, even) think that homosexual relationships are sinful and evil whereas other disagree. I think some people think that drug use is evil but others think it’s just a societal problem that needs more attention. I suspect that some people would say that extra-marital sexual activity is evil whereas others might not see the harm as long as all adults involved consent.
Being unnatural doesn't mean it's evil. Look, you are just making stuff up. Drug use may be wrong but it isn't evil. The evil part is when someone gets a non-drug user hooked on drugs.ET_{January 5, 2021
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Science says that life starts at conception. That means if you have an embryo, you have a life. If that embryo is from humans than that life is that of a human. And I would tell Steve's grand daughters they are alive because 20 others were sacrificed for them. That's like killing 20 life prisoners and harvesting their organs to save two children. Is that OK?ET_{January 5, 2021
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re 47. Marfin, IVF doesn't abort any embryos. The embryos that are discarded and never inserted into a women: they are "in vitro". Also, you write, "Think about your beautiful grand daughters , now would you give their lives to save the lives of 20 of some others beautiful grand daughters , surely its worth giving 2 lives to save 20 , but not when its someone you love." But the 20 discarded embryos would never be implanted and have a chance to grow into daughters, as the doctor takes the 2 out of the 20, to use this example, that have the best chance of successfully implanting and growing to term.Viola Lee_{January 5, 2021
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F/N: NARAL [il-]logic: https://twitter.com/NARAL/status/1345852456224354306?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw >>NARAL @NARAL · Jan 3 Don’t like abortion? Don’t have one. Hey look, we solved the problem for you! https://bit.ly/2Knm49e Image Replies TheChosenOne @TheChos73351951 · Jan 3 Replying to @NARAL Don't like slavery? Don't have a slave. Jessica @versifier146 · [ . . . ] Jan 3 Replying to @NARAL This isn't the slam dunk logic you think it is.>> See the fundamental hole in thinking? KF PS: Self-description: >>NARAL Pro-Choice America fights to protect and expand reproductive freedom for every body.>> There can be no just freedom to destroy innocent life. Claiming such as a freedom or right is a threat to justice, thus to all of us. To justly claim a right or freedom, one must show oneself in the right, i.e. justice is the due balance of rights, freedoms and duties.kairosfocus_{January 5, 2021
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JVL - That pious and good person you speak of does not exist ,we all all pretty rotten, its just by degree`s of rotten i`m afraid. S.A.2 -The scriptural position is that we should not do evil that good may come, now I dont know enough about the IVF process to comment on this case ,but if viable embryos are being aborted then its a problem. Think about your beautiful grand daughters , now would you give their lives to save the lives of 20 of some others beautiful grand daughters , surely its worth giving 2 lives to save 20 , but not when its someone you love. I know this is an extreme example but if we stick to the scriptural position that we wont do evil that good may come its a lots better for all of us.Marfin_{January 4, 2021
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