. . . which, we will monitor and update across the day, including DV, inputs from our person on the ground as usual.
This year, of course, will be the first MfL attended and addressed in person by a President of the United States, here, Mr Donald Trump. Other speakers will be present and hopefully we will not see the sort of agit prop media stunt and smear game that happened last year, leading to a lawsuit that was just settled by CNN after attempts to dismiss it failed.
Today’s schedule:
Friday, January 24, 2020
- March for Life Expo: 8:00 a.m. – 10:30 a.m. and 3:30 p.m. – 7:00 p.m.
- Pre-Rally Concert: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m.
- Rally Program and March: 12:00 p.m. – 4:00 p.m.
- Rose Dinner Cocktail Hour: 6:00 p.m. – 7:00 p.m.
- Rose Dinner: 7:00 p.m. – 9:00 p.m.
We will monitor and update, adding across the day.
Backgrounder, a media discussion, 2018:
Remember, what is at stake is the deliberate mass slaughter of our living posterity in the womb, with a global toll of 800+ millions across 40+ years, growing at about a million more per week. (That’s a conservative calculation, on a modelled plateau since the 1990’s, the statistical report, 1.4 billion, has some credibility.) That makes this the worst mass killing in history, utterly dwarfing any other and warping government, law, law enforcement, media, professions and culture at large.
Arguably, this is the linchpin established evil of our time; given that mass blood guilt is perhaps the most corrupting, most subtly corrosive influence of all — how will our civilisation ever find absolution for this?
How will we defend our civilisation and our souls, finding a road to reformation, cleansing and transformation?
Where, as pace-setting country, the USA has responsibility far beyond its own 60+ million toll.
U/D1, 7:34 EC: Mr Trump’s pre-march message:
U/D2, 1245hrs: First video MfL 2020:
Some pictures:
And, Mother Teresa has some words for us on domino effects:
U/D 3, 1305: A first vid message:
U/D 4, 1354: Mr Trump’s speech (from Breitbart):
U/D 5, 1500 hrs; Native American/ Amerindian voices:
U/D 6, 1549 hrs: Statistics for the American Abortion Holocaust:
U/D 7, 1630 hrs: Some results from estimated global abortion rates, where it is hard to get hard, standardised figures:
If the Guttmacher estimate of 2016, of 56 million abortions is reasonable, that may be up to a 2/3 under estimate. (Note discussions here and here.)
U/D81945 hrs: For the inevitable crowd game, here is an early crowd with the Washington monument in view:
Then, later in the day (HT: GP):
Work in progress . . .
Today (Fri., Jan 24th 2020) is the annual March for Life — we will, DV, monitor and update across the day.
The core MfL case is simple: “Abortion is the most significant human rights abuse of our time. Will you take a stand?”
What is our answer, why?
What do our answers imply?
What, then, should we do?
U/D 1, Mr Trump’s pre rally thought provoker. Worth considering, and of course in no way an endorsement of any political figure or side. All of us are implicated in this blood guilt. KF
I am comforted by the fact that abortion rates continue to decline as education and access to effective birth control increase. We will never get to the point of zero abortions, but any decline in unwanted pregnancies is good news.
Update 2: Gathering for the march, and first video. Our man is on the ground; DV, more to follow. KF
EG, the acceptable rate of holocaust is zero. KF
Acartia Eddie is comforted by mass shootings cuz they will NEVER reach the level of carnage of abortions.
U/D: HT Breitbart news, Mr Trump’s speech at the 2020 MfL. A first for a sitting US President. KF
PS: Start at the 5:30 point on the video. Gotta go for a moment on practical matters.
He gave a good speech.
1500 hrs, Native American voices speak up for life.
PS: Is that a conch shell trumpet?
9:40 on, US Pres Trump: We are here for a very simple reason, to defend the right of every child — born and unborn — to fulfill their God-given potential . . . “
C. 12:58, “every child is a precious and sacred gift from God . . . “
KF
And the acceptable rate of murder, violence, theft and tax evasion is zero, and since these are all unachievable goals, I opt for strategies that have proven to keep these to a minimum. Insisting on accepting nothing but the unachievable is just a naive and unrealistic approach.
EG, 60+ million abortions 1973 on, c 2015 600+k per year in the US is not a minimum. The down trend from 1.59 million in 1990 (on CDC numbers) manifestly reflects a gradual awakening to what we are doing collectively and thus a gradual shift to renewed recognition of respect for life. That reached a new threshold today with the first US President to physically attend a MfL and declare support for the right to life: “We are here for a very simple reason, to defend the right of every child — born and unborn — to fulfill their God-given potential . . . ” KF
PS: BTW, the correct, though unpalatable term for the willful mass slaughter of innocents is holocaust.
Abortion statistics added.
Added, some global abortion estimates, with a note on implications of the Guttmacher 2016 figure, 56 millions.
Then, for the usual crowd size game, here are early and late photos with the Washington Monument in the background.
What a strange world!!
The leading lights of academia, the arts, science, technology, the law and the media are endorsing scores of millions of premeditated murders of the defenseless and innocent for personal convenience, thus revealing themselves to be depraved barbarians,
While it is Donald Trump, by reputation a sleazy womanizing carnival barker, who is defending:
1) Basic and Accepted Science , that life begins at fertilization ,
2) Basic Morality, that all men are children of God, equally Beloved by Him.
3.) Basic Western Civilization, that the first duty of government is to secure the rights of the weak against powerful evildoers.
TLH – true that is very strange. It was also odd to see President Trump at the rally with such an enormous crowd and none of the leading lights or celebrities in sight. Thousands upon thousands of ordinary people, led by unknown and unheralded pro-life leaders — with the president of the USA speaking to them.
TLH & SA,
Those are signatures of an anti-establishment, peasant uprising of “the deplorables.” Where, while he indeed has many faults and a celebrity cult playboy-cum-NY Contractor track record, Mr Trump is a figure for the daily 30 – 60 minute hate fest [these days, 12 hours daily!] because he is an outsider and goes against the grain of where the elites want to go.
We need to pray for genuine repentance, renewal, revival and reformation to spread across our civilisation. Recognising and turning from the barbarity of holocaust is an excellent place to begin.
Now, some scripture.
First, on life in the womb, from the core Christmas story:
That should be decisive for those who respect the Gospel and the scriptures that convey it.
(Sadly, this is a day and age where such is a significant challenge, even in the churches. That is how pervasive our guilt and enabling are. And, if we are sufficiently polarised, mere facts have little impact, even scriptural facts brought to our attention as those supposedly guided and corrected by scripture. Let us beware, the fallacy of the closed mind!)
Like unto this, and echoing Mary’s Magnificat, let us now read one of the most shocking texts in all of scripture, a text that will help us read the signs of our times:
My Thompson’s Chain Reference here speaks of God’s tool-chest. (Yes, there is a Tommy-Bible to answer to the Tommy Gun! One of the very best Study Bibles.)
So, it is a signature strategy for God to move from the margins, from the marginalised, from the unpopular and derided. That way, his foolishness and weakness will overturn our culture’s strongholds and the demonised power systems that prevail. We already saw that with slavery, it’s no surprise that it is happening again. But by definition a deplorables uprising will be a dangerous passage and involves a low grade cultural power systems conflict with serious dangers of flash-over into full-bore conflagration, unlimited, out of control, utterly chaotic civil war. We are already at bleeding Kansas stage.
BTW, notice, the bullet-proof screen behind which the US President spoke, similar to what now is in place at the inauguration ceremony. That speaks volumes.
BTW, did the elites learn from the path that ran from Kansas to Harper’s Ferry to Bull Run?
Or, is this warning from Jesus yet again all too apt:
Then, let us note from him again in the justly most famous sermon in all history:
Lessons of scripture and of history.
KF
What is life?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/life
https://youtu.be/_z-SUo2wP4I
https://youtu.be/3XFfUt7HQWM
https://youtu.be/hS6PDOcJwY8
https://youtu.be/OsYUWtLQBS0
Much talk, but no definitive answer yet?
Life
This mysterious term appears 540 times in the Bible.
Life
1. Old Testament (340)
2. Genesis (33)
3. Exodus (7)
4. Leviticus (5)
5. Numbers (3)
6. Deuteronomy (15)
7. Joshua (3)
8. Judges (5)
9. Ruth (1)
10. 1 Samuel (16)
11. 2 Samuel (12)
12. 1 Kings (17)
13. 2 Kings (8)
14. 1 Chronicles (1)
15. 2 Chronicles (1)
16. Ezra (1)
17. Esther (2)
18. Job (22)
19. Psalm (68)
20. Proverbs (48)
21. Ecclesiastes (14)
22. Isaiah (10)
23. Jeremiah (28)
24. Lamentations (2)
25. Ezekiel (8)
26. Daniel (1)
27. Amos (2)
28. Jonah (5)
29. Habakkuk (1)
30. Malachi (1)
31. New Testament (200)
32. Matthew (14)
33. Mark (7)
34. Luke (14)
35. John (43)
36. Acts (15)
37. Romans (22)
38. 1 Corinthians (7)
39. 2 Corinthians (7)
40. Galatians (4)
41. Ephesians (3)
42. Philippians (5)
43. Colossians (2)
44. 1 Thessalonians (1)
45. 1 Timothy (6)
46. 2 Timothy (4)
47. Titus (2)
48. Hebrews (7)
49. James (3)
50. 1 Peter (2)
51. 2 Peter (1)
52. 1 John (12)
53. Jude (1)
54. Revelation (18)
John 1:4
Footnotes:
* John 1:4 Or was not any thing made. That which has been made was life in him
NIV Study Bible Notes:
MacArthur Study Bible (NKJV):
Disregarding the true meaning of life leads to this:
https://uncommondescent.com/culture/abortion-the-leading-cause-of-deaths-worldwide-in-2019/
@EG contraception is not the solution to abortion.
1. Guttmacher’s research shows that contraception causes abortion, especially the telling statistic that 51% of abortion patients were on birth control the month they got pregnant
https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/ipsrh/2003/03/relationships-between-contraception-and-abortion-review-evidence
https://www.guttmacher.org/news-release/2018/about-half-us-abortion-patients-report-using-contraception-month-they-became
You can see this in the OP’s graphs, where, despite the dip, current levels are nowhere near the era prior to contraception.
If you look at the following table, the number of abortions in the US per year skyrocket from the hundreds to the hundreds of thousands once contraception is legalized in 1965.
http://www.johnstonsarchive.ne.....tates.html
2. Even if contraception reduces the amount of surgical abortion, contraception is itself an abortifacient (all chemical birth control prevent implantation if egg is fertilized), so it is merely increasing the number of actual abortions, and hiding them from the public perception. To hide this fact, ACOG redefined conception to only occur once implantation occurs, very 1984ish. However, we all know a new human life comes into existence at the point of conception, so birth control is clearly an abortifacient.
https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2005/05/implications-defining-when-woman-pregnant
3. Finally, even if #1 and #2 were false, reducing the number of people created is not an answer to abortion. It is existential murder, since it prevents a person from existing vs. extinguishing an existing life, which church fathers such as John Chrysostom considered even worse than murder. If we want to follow this chain of logic to the end, then the answer to abortion is mass sterilization of the human population. No more abortion, but also no more humans. Not a solution.
Bottom line, contraception is in no way a solution to abortion.
As for Trump, it seems great he is going against the status quo and speaking publicly at the MfL. However, don’t lionize the man. He’s clearly doing so in response to the impeachment to boost support among his base. Trump has done nothing but public pro-life gestures, nothing to actually reduce abortion, and was very pro-choice up until he decided to run on the Republican ticket. All these gestures make people feel very tribal, but have next to zero long term benefit for truly ending abortion in the US. IMHO, in a way it is worse than if Trump did nothing, since it gives the appearance of progress without the substance.
Final informative point, look at the countries in which the abortion holocaust began in the early 1900s. Taking into account abortion, the murder toll of atheistic communism must surely be in the billions. History has never seen such widespread destruction of human life until atheism took the reigns of power.
EricMH
Great thoughts on this.
It’s a complex idea but it makes sense. There’s a deliberate animosity towards life which is premeditated. The intention is to kill off the potential for life. So the child is seen as an enemy – or a danger – even before conception.
There’s a certain kind of hatred for human life within atheism itself. It opposes God, and is therefore at war against humanity. Self-worship ends with self-hatred because the god of self is very demanding, fickle, deeply flawed, unjust and does not give lasting rewards or benefits. So, when the atheist is trapped into a service of his own self alone, a hatred and animosity builds up. That is extended to all of humanity since everyone else is just other little gods walking around as competitors for attention and care.
In the end, a godless world turns against its own children and destroys its own family life.
The selfish-god is never satisfied, and in this case ends up being fed with the blood of the most innocent children.
Atheism sets the murderous instinct free – and we see the results.
EMH, for all we could say about the man, a tell-tale is that a key reason for the opposition is “the courts,” i.e. that he has appointed conservative judges. A root problem is that courts have been turned into de facto legislatures unaccountable to the public. That opens the door to all sorts of usurpations and not just on any one topic. We need instead to restore a sounder understanding of law tied to the duties of truth, prudence, fairness, justice understood as built in law. In that law of our nature anchored context we will be better able to address abuses under colour of law. Where, the holocaust of our living posterity in the womb heads the list, opening the doors for many others to follow. So, the MfL is important but also a major case needs to be made in our civilisation to correct a dangerous path we have gone down. KF
@4 Ed George
Why are you “comforted”? If it is not a moral issue, where is the problem?
F/N: It seems that one of four tour buses for Covington Catholic was involved in a serious accident on the way home, in Kentucky. For unexplained reasons, an oncoming vehicle came across the meridian and hit it in the front. There were injuries inside, but the driver of the oncoming car it seems, was killed and was pronounced dead at the scene. A Priest aboard the bus reportedly administered last rites. Condolences go out to one and all. KF
TF
For the same reason I am comforted by the fact that the rates of cancer rates are declining, that the violent crime trends are decreasing and that the rates of deaths due to car accidents are down. Any decline in suffering is a good thing for society and, therefore, for me and my family. And nobody is suggesting that an abortion isn’t traumatic for a woman.
The cancer DEATH rates are declining. Not the existence of cancer. Rape has been on the increase. Pedestrian death rates are up. Pollution is up. Porch pirates are rampant.
Suffering is still the norm. And we deserve it for allowing abortions.
Well, abortion means killing a “clump of cells ” / “sub-human” / “parasitic tissue”.
How can killing “clumps of cells” be “traumatic”?
Apart from the fact that it does not make sense in the scheme of Evolution, where the purpose is to “spread the genes of those lucky enough to reach reproductive age”.
@KF didn’t George Bush appoint a bunch of ostensibly conservative judges to the supreme court with exactly the same sort of intent as Trump’s appointees? And haven’t they all turned a blind eye towards the abortion holocaust? And hasn’t at least one of the newest appointees, Gursch I believe, claim that he plans to hold to precedent, i.e. not budge on Roe v. Wade? Hence, Trump’s appointees are yet another red herring proffered by the ‘art of the deal’ author to stir up his base and get votes?
I have seen zero substantial action from Trump on pro-life issues. Just tossing a well placed bone now and then to make his base believe he’s doing something.
I cannot believe conservatives and Christians are taken in so easily by Trump, the man who was a game host for a reality show before his presidency and wrote a book (with a ghost writer!) on how to fool people until he gets the deal he wants, and whose entire business history is swindling people for his own greedy ends, and whose personal life is the antithesis of conservative and Christian values (quite possibly a child rapist with his pal Epstein, I’ve seen at least one credible victim account). As GK Chesterton says, there is nothing so prone to failure as the worship of success, and sadly the religious right has fallen for this very damaging vice. Or, as Jesus says, “what does it benefit to gain the entire world if you lose your very soul?” the religious right has surrendered its moral integrity for a short term ‘win’ with Trump.
@EG
> And nobody is suggesting that an abortion isn’t traumatic for a woman.
This, in fact, is the latest push by Planned Parenthood and its ilk, to ‘destigmatize’ abortion and have women claim their abortion experience was great.
Sadly, no one can take back an abortion. Even if the woman feels some relief in the short term, at some point it will hit home what she has done to herself and her child, and she will realize she can never undo the murder of her child, and it will haunt her for the rest of her life. The same goes for fathers, often even more so, because the law has taken the matter entirely out of their hands, so they must stand by powerlessly as their child is ripped limb from limb. I have met one father who lives with the abortion of his child every single day.
Abortion rips apart the child and rips apart our society at its most fundamental level.
TF
It’s a medical procedure. All medical procedures involve some level of trauma.
Evolution does not have a purpose. It is just a process. Differential reproduction (“survival of the fittest”) is one of the outcomes of the process.
EMH, yes, it is true that many women regret having an abortion, and many that don’t. But I don’t know of any women who make the decision lightly.
What I find strange however is that most pro-choice people are happy about the declining abortion rates, whereas most pro-lifers don’t seem to be. I honestly don’t understand the dichotomy.
ENH@33, very good comment. I think this has many people baffled. I would like to add that the way he deals with other countries, including allies, is appalling. With him, it is not good enough for the US to be doing well, other countries must do poorly.
Ed George
And what are the sources of “trauma” for a woman undergoing an abortion?
Well, “purpose” is a human construct. This is a philosophical statement, not a scientific one. Which creatures debate about “purpose”? Babboons? Ants? Plants maybe?
No one needs a “theory” to teach them that there is differential reproduction in Nature. It has been observed for millennia. Some individuals live, other individuals die. Pretty basic stuff.
Acartia Eddie:
What? Differential reproduction is a requirement for natural selection and evolution. Evolution is the outcome of differential reproduction due to (random, as in chance) heritable variation over generations.
Earth to EricMH- Justice is supposed to be blind, because it is supposed to be impartial and objective. Someone needs to bring a good, solid case in front of them pertaining to the issue. They cannot take it upon themselves to implement a law. Do you understand how it works?
As for President Trump, well he was much better than anything else there was offered. Hillary would have been a total disaster. And Trump is [SNIP! maybe, “ticking off” or the like?] all of the right people, ie all the whiny, cowardly losers.
Acartia Eddie:
Your unsupportable trope is neither evidence nor an argument. What we find strange is that you seem to think that it is both.
I want to thank KF for posting this. In a world at large that has embraced a Culture of Death, it’s nice to find an oasis of Life affirming sanity online here at UD. So, thank you very very much, kairosfocus.
Andrew
What are the predictions of the ToE regarding reproduction?
And how does killing your offspring make sense when taking into consideration those predictions?
Any logical explanation?
TF
Filial infanticide has been observed in many species and is thought to be done to enhance the survival of the offspring the parent already has. It is interesting that the majority of women who have an abortion, by a wide margin, already have children.
EMH, I can understand the many times burned, next time shy mindset. However, we are dealing with a long term cultural struggle. In that light, the shrill and polarised, panic driven reactions we are seeing to the ongoing peasant uprising of the deplorables on both sides of the Atlantic tells me that the dominant elites who brought us holocaust [as yet unfinished] for the second time in a generation fear that a critical mass is approaching that will tip the balance against them. While I carry no brief for Mr Trump et al (and seeing in him echoes of Cyrus and Constantine is NOT a compliment!) I believe there is significance to the wave of 191 and counting Federal Judges. The system is in a broken state but there is a chance to step back from the brink of moving beyond a C21 version of Bleeding Kansas. Let us pray that we do not go to a Ft Sumter. KF
EG,
let’s look at human reproduction a bit.
Pregnant women suffer many disabilities, not least, often, significant debilitation. The need for a large brained baby poses constraints and creates vulnerabilities, so pregnant women are immediately a prey species, and women are generally at physical disadvantage. Then, the human baby and then child, likewise, is highly vulnerable.
Clues . . .
Zooming back a bit, on the whole we have but one physical advantage, long distance running. We don’t have effective fangs or claws, we are not well armoured (especially in the head and neck or torso). It is our intelligence, obligate familial and community framework multiplied by technologies — try, fire, the knife, flint then metal tools, the bow, spear and spear thrower, etc — that allow us to dominate socially.
Clues, again . . .
Where, that intelligence demands moral government (starting with duties to truth, right reason, prudence, sound conscience, fairness and justice, etc) or it becomes socially and/or personally suicidal.
So, immediately, we are not a likely product of a blind process of innovation, we are far too isolated an island of function. The usual evolutionary narrative on the ascent of man is manifestly little more than a just-so story.
While that FSCO/I challenge includes the genetics to get there, it also embraces the broad framework of such a strange creature. A rational, social, morally governed, significantly free rational, responsible creature. One, with faculties of mind that demonstrably, categorically transcend what computational substrates can do, even beyond the challenge of blind programming and further FSCO/I issues.
Yes, computational substrates, inherently, are blind, dynamic-stochastic systems governed by GIGO: garbage in, garbage out. The recall of the Pentium is an illustration of the point. A computational substrate will happily churn out the outputs shaped by inputs, organisation, stored programs etc, it neither knows nor cares about truth, knowledge, warrant, prudence etc. And yes, that holds for wetware substrates that use pulses of electrical signals and threshold summing gates; neurons in themselves carry no magic that transcends GIGO. Rocks have no dreams, it is the self-moved, rational soul that rises beyond programming to responsible, rational, morally governed freedom; starting with inherent freedom of mind.
The point is, without genuine freedom and moral government, credible rationality is impossible and so we have good reason to see that our sense of conscious freedom of mind under guidance of conscience is not delusional (another self-defeating notion) but reflective of our being a new order of reality: ensouled.
We are more than matter programmed by blind chance and/or mechanical necessity. We manifest soul.
As a further clue, note how the heart of the living cell has in it digital, coded, algorithmic and linked regulatory information with complex molecular technology implementing machines; D/RNA. That’s alphanumeric code, i.e. language. Language being a signature of intelligence and responsible rational freedom. Such, being antecedent to biological, cell based life as we have observed it.
Going further, we live in a cosmos that is at a deeply isolated operating point that facilitates C-Chem, aqueous medium, terrestrial planet in circumstellar and galactic habitable zone life. Where also, even among terrestrial planets, ours is increasingly obviously exceedingly privileged.
All of these add up, pointing to a needed adequate cause for a world with creatures like us in it. Quantum foams and the like are not plausible candidates. Worse, logic of being sends the message, that we need a finitely remote, independently existing [= necessary, thus, eternal being] as reality root. One, capable of grounding moral government on more than might and/or manipulation make ‘right’- ‘rights’- ‘truth’- ‘reason’- ‘warrant’- ‘knowledge’- ‘justice’ etc.
There is precisely one serious candidate to be such a reality root. If you doubt, simply posit an alternative _____ and warrant on comparative difficulties _______ . (This is phil, not mere assertion of worldview claims.)
A familiar figure, one most unwelcome to the ultra-modern selectively hyperskeptical mentality; a mindset that BTW does not even see how it undercuts itself decisively.
Yes, a familiar figure: the inherently good, utterly wise creator God; a necessary and maximally great being. One, worthy of loyalty and of the responsible, reasonable service of doing the good that accords with our manifest nature.
Where, that last part includes that we must be willing to respect our living posterity in the womb and the womb-men who have the courage to risk life itself to bring our embodied future into the world.
For shame!
Yes, for shame as we see the mounting horror of holocaust of our living posterity in the womb.
We are caught up in enabling a mass slaughter that is worse than the holocausts that have gone before. We are guilty, guilty, guilty, as the White Rose martyrs would say.
What is our answer to the ghost of Sophie Scholl?
For shame!
Let us turn back, seeking reform.
God help us.
KF
AS, so long as we can, we will celebrate the annual MfL. And, after the victory is won, we must remember lest we forget. KF
EG, I repeat, the acceptable rate of holocaust is zero. KF
@Ed George
Ah. It is “thought”.
Stats to support this claim?
You have not answered my question:
What are the sources of “trauma” for a woman undergoing an abortion?
Thank you.
EricMH @ 25 –
@EG contraception is not the solution to abortion.
Eh? The first link argues precisely the opposite. From the abstract:
I don’t know how you come to seeing a causal link between contraception and abortion if 51% of those getting an abortion were using contraception. How many of them would have got an abortion if they had not been using contraception. And how many of the 49% who weren’t using contraception wouldn’t have got pregnant?
Where 1965 is really “between 1967 and 1973”. Some (but almost certainly not all) of that increase may have been because it became more acceptable to report abortions. And the first link also provides an explanation of the pattern (which has been repeated in a few countries), explaining it with a link to changes in fertility.
truthfreedom- google is your friend. Use it. The stats that women with children have abortions is there. And it refutes Eddie’s claim that education will help reduce abortions.
No. The person who makes the claim has to support it.
It is Ed’s job, not mine 🙂
TF
From the same source that KF frequently cites.
@ Ed George
You made the claim.
You have the data.
Support your claim with said data.
Or are you bluffing?
Ed George, you refuse to answer my questions.
Unsupported claims = useless claims.
truthfreedom- your question had been answered before you asked it: pick an article and read it
truthfreedom:
It is YOUR job to be knowledgeable about the things being discussed.
TF
Number of prior births
Zero: 43.8%
One: 26.2%
>=2: 33.1%
Guttmacher 2014
@ET
Calm down, sweetheart. Politeness is your friend 🙂
Again:
Who makes the claim
Has tu support it.
Uderstood?
That link you are providing was not in this thread.
Understood?
Number of prior births
Zero: 43.8%
Guttmacher 2014
So, 43% of women who have an abortion are enhancing the “survival ” of their inexistent children.
More non-sense thanks to the ToE and its appendages.
You keep dodging my question:
What are the sources of “trauma” for a woman undergoing an
abortion?
No, truthfreedom, I will never understand willful ignorance. Good luck with that…
The funny thing is that I was not even speaking with you, unless your name is Ed George.
It’s an open forum. But hey, if you don’t want to learn…
This detour has reached a dead-end.
Best wishes.
People like you are a dead end.
ET
[SNIP], ET! Have we finally found our Kumbaya moment? As long as we don’t have to hug. 🙂
Notice, how we are back to little or no mention or serious discussion in the major media? Lesson to be learned: what is headlined, what it focuses on, how it is slanted, how it is fed into the talking heads shows etc has little or nothing to do with real significance. In this case, the ongoing, worst holocaust in history that as a civilisation we have collectively enabled. We must never confuse media focus, talking points, stars and stories with truth, much less, pivotal truth to guide and guard us. The credibility and general integrity of the major media have cratered. So, now, on the mutinous ship of state on a suicidal voyage of folly, we need to start looking for that dismissed stargazer off in the corner . . . the navigator. (And yes, I am referring to Plato’s Parable of the Ship of State.) KF