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This election in the US is at a kairos for not only the US but our civilisation. What do you think, why? (Recall, UD makes no endorsements and no “un-dorsements” either, but we are aware that the seven mountains of power and influence strongly interact with worldviews and cultural agendas raising issues of alternatives.)

So, as I am primarily a visual thinker, let’s start with:

Are we facing this?

Or, is this more relevant?

Of Lemmings, marches of folly and cliffs of self-falsifying absurdity . . .

Is this colour revolution issue — courtesy a framework developed by the US Special Operations Command — relevant?

Framework of thought is always an issue:

Here, is a provocative projection that runs counter to the current of the usual polling and punditry that were so spectacularly wrong in 2016:

U/D: I add a map from 270 to win:

(This map has an interactive roll your own feature so you can make your own model.)

Overnight:

Where do we think things will go? Where are they going? Where does all of this lead? END

PS: Mr Trump’s lawyer speaks on legal actions initiated and concerns regarding breakdown of electoral integrity as the election moves to the lawfare phase:

Turley raises pointed questions, contrasting the performance of states and what it opens up. Notice an incident. You do not have to believe the particulars of this claimed incident with a claimed whistleblower, to see that the fraudulent mechanism described is feasible for mail-in votes, so called. Which, should have been manifest from the outset, so the issue is why was this allowed through?

PPS: Detroit lawsuit — this would be laughable if its import was not so destructive:

U/D Nov 8: The Hopkins Affidavit

U/D2 Nov 8: An image showing the vote jump in MI overnight Nov3/4 2020, which — 5:45 pm here — on an objection from MMT apparently rooted in Snopes; which I find to be partially correct but still missing the key issue, I adjust as follows:

U/D3, Nov 8: The vote cliff phenomenon:

U/D4 Nov 9: A reminder from 2000, a screen shot of the last media called election fiasco:

CORRECTION AND COMMENT, Nov 10: On Google image search, I observed a Wa Po article on this image. It is plausible that it is a current construction, with particulars that have errors. That said, such makes no material difference to the focal point, as can be seen from my clip of History dot com, at 477 below:

After a wild election night on November 7, 2000, during which TV networks first called the key state of Florida for Gore, [–> got that? {I add: FL was then pivotal — notice, “the key state” — so calling that state implied a Gore win}] then for Bush, followed by a concession by Gore that was soon rescinded [–> got that too?], the results for who would be the nation’s 43rd president were simply too close to call.

In the 36 days that followed, Americans learned Gore had won the popular vote by 543,895 votes. But it’s winning the Electoral College that counts. [–> because it balances big and small state interests in a federated republic that is a union of states in their own right not mere provinces of a unitary state] As accusations of fraud and voter suppression, calls for recounts and the filing of lawsuits ensued, the terms “hanging chads,” “dimpled chads” and “pregnant chads” became part of the lexicon. [–> I forgot the pregnant chads one]

Andrew E. Busch, professor of government at Claremont McKenna College and co-author of The Perfect Tie: The True Story of the 2000 Presidential Election, says as votes were counted and Bush’s lead grew, TV networks retracted their premature call of Gore, instead giving the state to Bush.

“When the lead shrank to about 2,000 votes in the early hours of the morning, TV reversed again, rescinded the call for Bush, and declared Florida as yet undetermined,” he says. “The initial problem was failure of the exit polls, for which they later overcompensated.”

U/D5, Nov 9: The Chinese observer in Detroit’s testimony on what she saw:

U/D6, Nov 9: Trump Campaign spokespeople make first remarks about their case, with particular focus on PA, also with further remarks on TCF, Detroit MI (where the above observer discussed). This includes Ms McEnany on the general manipulation of elections and this one:

U/D7, Nov 10: Timeline plots of vote trends that support concerns that Mail-in votes were conducive to and seem to have enabled manipulation of results in key states. Obviously, it is the courts that will resolve legal cases, but it is the watching public’s right to look and analyse for ourselves, drawing our own conclusions:

It is well worth noting, from an article on how the insistence on mail-in votes with inadequate safeguards and the rise of ballot harvesting were conducive to undermining the credibility and integrity of the election:

. . . the record reveals a Democrat Party that has fervently pursued policies to undermine accountability in the voting process.

Under these resulting novel conditions, which have been implemented across the nation in recent months, no less than Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito affirmed last week that “serious post-election problems” were predictable.

Indeed, Attorney General Bill Barr sounded the alarm in September, affirming to Wolf Blitzer of CNN that the mail-in voting schemes being advanced across the nation are “reckless and dangerous,” and “as a matter of logic,” are “very open to fraud and coercion.” He cited a 2009 bipartisan study that affirmed his points, adding this understanding was broadly accepted until “this (Trump) administration came in.”

In the face of well-documented cases of election fraud, Heritage Foundation senior fellow Hans A. von Spakovsky has also charged “many in the media” with wishing to avoid the heavy reality of this fundamental issue with a “‘move-along, nothing-to-see-here’ narrative” . . . .

In May, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, stated her desire that “governing bodies … send a ballot to every registered voter,” and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-New York, affirmed he was “all in” on the plan for this enterprise as well.

When Democrat Gov. Gavin Newsom mandated that “every Californian” should be sent “a mail-in ballot for (the) November election,” Hillary Clinton praised him, encouraging “other governors around the country to follow (his) lead.”

An investigation of these efforts at the state level reveals the same urgency and insistence to adopt policies that will naturally create conditions where there are greater vulnerabilities for fraud . . . .

Michigan

Michigan has a typical state law that sought to prevent “ballot harvesting,” the practice of individuals collecting multiple ballots from the vulnerable, such as the elderly, often through coercion or intimidation, and potentially discarding them. Thus, according to statute, only particular individuals, such as family, friends, and mail carriers, may transmit a person’s absentee ballot to the appropriate clerk.

In September, after a challenge by left-leaning organizations in the state, a Michigan judge overruled these safeguards, calling them “unconstitutional” and allowing voters to “choose” anyone to return their ballots. The judge also ruled that any ballot postmarked by November 2 would be valid no matter when it arrived.

Such patterns of behaviour, including by judges, raise significant concerns. Would the same judge accept loosening of safeguards on how a run of the mill coop bank handles cash and accounts? The question answers itself.

U/D8, Nov 11 (Armistice Day + 102 years): Let us ponder a further timeline, counting of late votes in PA reported by statistician William Briggs:

Here, key comments:

I think there are clear signs that something untoward happened in the Keystone State. Here are a couple of telling examples.

I’ve gotten official county-level timed voting data that started at 11:00 on November 4, the day after the election, to 11:29 on November 7, which is Saturday. So, these are all late vote counts. They start, county by county, where the vote left off on election night . . . .

The early gains for Biden are mainly from Philadelphia, Allegheny, Montgomery, Chester and Berks counties. A simple plot (click to see: it’s large) shows the size of vote additions for both candidates, when new vote totals (greater than 0) were added by county (and not all counties added votes after election day).

All goes well for Trump until election night, November 4, at 9:15 pm, when he loses just under 10,000 votes. Curiously, this loss is from three different counties simultaneously: -1,063 in Allegheny; -2,972 in Bucks; -7,135 in Chester. Biden never lost any votes (at least, not in this late voting).

This does not mean the decreases happened at that moment. Rather, that’s when they were recorded in the official data. 

Biden’s next curiosity was the big increase of 27,396 votes on Nov. 6 at 8:53:00 over one consecutive reporting period. This bump is just like the blue-red F-memes you have seen: this only seems more spread out because of the finer time scale used . . . .

These two curiosities account for a 37,263 vote swing for Biden. Biden’s total, as of the end of this data, was 3,344,528, and Trump’s 3,310,326. Biden therefore “won,” in this dataset anyway, by 34,202 votes.

So, three separate counties removed about 10,000 votes from Trump on Wednesday evening. And then late Friday, about 27,000 votes were added for Biden.

This happened after it was clear that this is what Biden would need to push ahead. This needs to be answered.

Then, he went on to look at scale of disparity from 50:50, modified by size of increments, vert: number of votes, Horiz, an index. Blue, B predominates, red, T predominates:

Yes, there are some where T predominates, down in the weeds, the biggest I spot is a bit over 100. Briggs comments:

Trump did come out ahead in the vote additions sometimes, but every single one of the competitions was trivial.[–> this fits with fluctuations with small numbers] They were on the order of 1 vote for Trump, 0 for Biden, or 20 for Trump and 7 for Biden. On the other hand, Biden votes additions were almost always large compared to Trump’s. (But, note: There aren’t any large times where only Biden gained votes. It’s not that obvious.) [–> note the charts for yesterday, PA shows a RAMP, not cliffs and steps]

Still, the huge early additions to Biden are curious.

He continues, commenting on a third plot:

Here are the Biden-Trump additions as they occurred, for six counties which for other reasons appear suspicious. Chester and Cumberland had predominately registered Republicans, and yet Biden supposedly beat Obama (in either term) in vote totals by 20-40%! [–> remember, nationally, T gained 7 mn votes over 2016] The county names appear at the peak of the differences. For example, late on November 4th, Biden received about 40,000 more votes than Trump in Philadelphia county . . .

That peak for Philly on the 6th is the one that pushed Biden ahead, which I mentioned above. You can see in these large counties only one time where more Trump than Biden votes were added, and it’s a trivial amount.

This suggests, as you might expect in a machine town saturated in a history of vote tampering, that investigators should concentrate their efforts on the mail-in ballots in Philly.

The plot:

Which is, of course, a key part of the reason for Justice Alito’s follow up order to preserve such separately when it became clear an earlier order was being flouted.

Bonus, this analysis corroborates the earlier one which showed a RAMP, not cliffs, for PA.

U/D9, Nov 12: A bit of context on 4th Generation war:

First, let us note a mapping framework, to help set the context, timeline and concepts:

Compare, the McFaul-SOCOM colour revolution programme and insurgency escalator (and yes, I know this uses the same image twice, for clarity):

I clip a Wikipedia summary of 4GW elements, on principle of admission against ideological interest:

This will allow us to form a sounder strategic-operational picture of what is happening in the US with its years-in-the-brewing, McFaul colour revolution, in the shadows 4G civil war with global geostrategic implications and vultures circling as well as some lurking in the shadows.

U/D10, on the Benford leading digit(s) pattern:

One of the oddities of life is that naturally occurring most significant digits of numbers for many “natural” situations, do not follow a flat random distribution or a humped in the middle pattern, but a reverse-J distribution, with about 30% of cases having 1 as lead digit, with a following curved taper to 9. The phenomenon is sufficiently striking that it has been used to detect accounting fraud, cooking of GDP data and even cooking of CV-19 data. It has also been used to detect election manipulation . . . including a case of too perfect fit implying second order manipulation to force the cheat to fit the “known” law. At 636 below, I commented:

Let’s pick up on “natural” distributions of numbers and the now notorious Benford pattern natural data signature, 1 as lead digit about 30% of the time, with a curved taper distribution of other lead digits, to 9. Of course, a statistical pattern, not a rigid rule, but then fluctuations kick in . . . .

The Benford pattern is connected to log-normal distributions when numbers get spread across a big enough span of scale, typically by taking products of factors that are randomly spread.

The classic linear Gaussian normal distribution kicks in where small, additive random factors shift around a mean. Log-normal of course comes in as products become additions on logging. Likewise, there is an average product, with scatter on a log scale around that. Logs are truly powerful.

The Benford result apparently comes from that process, with the 30.1% ratio coming from log_10 2, the upper border for lead digit in a floating point/sci notation representation being 1. Log_10 3 is 0.477 to 3 dp, log_10 5 is 0.699 and log_10 9 is 0.954. This is why the taper. Now, if we tamper with a result from a lognormal generating process, typically we will add or subtract, or if we try to randomise we will try to go nearly flat random. It is hard to preserve a log-normal signature. Then, there is the second order trick, fluctuations are natural and too perfect a fit to a model is also suspect. Ask Mendel’s Gardner and Sir Cyril Burt’s ghost. The 2016 Russian election may be a case. It is hard to fake a good enough but not too good a fit, also.

Let’s illustrate:

Such a signature is yet another strand in the rope of cumulative, mutually supportive evidence. It is highly plausible that something went very wrong with this election; which needs to be investigated. And with a suggested 500 affidavits in hand, such may well be going ahead.

Speaking of which, on ropes and chains in argument:

Of chains, ropes and cumulative cases

U/D11: Mr Giuliani, for Mr Trump, speaks in a video, where he summarises the pattern of events spoken to in affidavits etc. Of direct interest to us at UD, from approx minute 19, he summarises the story and scale of a far-fluctuation vote cliff per affidavit he reports:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzHnlLxKhSc

This video should be pondered i/l/o freshly added comments below, 780 and 781, also 770. I clip from 780, as this matter has been made into a target for dismissive comments, kindly read i/l/o U/D2 above:

Notice in particular, on at penalty of incarceration testimony regarding vote cliffs and steps, consistent with the scatter and linear plots above in OP:

Defendants instructed election workers to not verify signatures on absentee ballots, to backdate absentee ballots, and to process such ballots regardless of their validity. After election officials announced the last absentee ballots had been received, another batch of unsecured and unsealed ballots, without envelopes, arrived in trays at the TCF Center. There were tens of thousands of these absentee ballots, and apparently every ballot was counted and attributed only to Democratic candidates. Defendants instructed election workers to process ballots that appeared after the election deadline and to falsely report that those ballots had been received prior to November 3, 2020 deadline.

Note, again, how there were: “tens of thousands of these absentee ballots, and apparently every ballot was counted and attributed only to Democratic candidates.”

Vote cliff, this implies that there were 100% runs in the 100’s, 1,000’s or even 10,000’s classes. Such runs, if 100% are as calculated and shown in OP already. If the runs, esp at upper end were simply far fluctuation runs, they are just as tellingly unobservable on relevant time, space and event resources by natural chance variation.

Similarly in a video to be shortly added to OP [–> this appears just above], from 19 minutes or so on, there is a description of affidavit, where a bloc of some 100k ballots, with B-vote, president only markings was received by back door approx 4:30 am, and rapidly counted in with hindrance of control checks. These were apparently perceived as all B-votes, duly adjusted by caution to virtually all . . . i.e. far fluctuation . . . B votes. This again fits in with descriptions of GA on 90k+ utterly B-dominant, president only votes, with less than 1k T-votes of the same character; and with the Briggs analysis of 10k+ class blocs of votes in PA that are utterly overwhelmingly B-votes, as is illustrated in the OP.

In short, the far fluctuation vote cliff of 100% and near 100% runs is credibly so on convergent evidence across states and across a continental span.

The attempted skeptical dismissals above fail. Except, insofar as they help us see that we are looking at urban based machine politics with ability to do such.

It is time to face the realities of a seriously flawed election process and in particular strong indicators of willful, election manipulating misconduct that in key cases raises questions of mens rea.

U/D12: The MI voting pattern analysis of Dr Shiva and colleagues. Video:

Scatter-plots are our friends, and so here are some screen captures that help us see a disturbing, red flag pattern:

It is time for a very serious reappraisal of the integrity of the US electoral system. Given the conceptual expectation and confirmation from a hand-counted county, there is reason to expect the conceptual pattern. That the pattern is in fact followed for low- levels- of- support precincts then switches to a down-sloping ramp at ~ 20% is not reasonable, on its face. Especially, when we see a clear further pattern that — unsurprisingly — Mr Trump is more popular than his adopted party, in turn varying from county to county. Perhaps, somehow there is an innocent explanation; that needs to be produced and empirically verified.

U/D13: Complacency about elections is not just an American phenomenon. UK Independent, 2011:

‘Shocking complacency’ from a group safeguarding elections

By Jerome Taylor |

Wednesday 16 February 2011 01:00 |

Today’s report from the Electoral Commission is a bizarre exercise in asking Britain’s voters to keep calm and carry on. Its view is that voting fraud is not widespread because almost no one has been prosecuted for it and that even if fraud did occur, it did not have any effect on the outcome of an election. For an organisation that is supposed to safeguard the integrity of our voting system, such complacency is shocking.

Unfortunately, ballot fraud is very easy to do in Britain. But proving it is much harder. Just because police rarely prosecute someone does not mean there are no grounds for an investigation. When I was attacked last year while investigating alleged corruption in East London, I received numerous calls from constituents on all sides of the political divide thanking the newspaper for looking into an issue they felt had been long ignored. Last year’s general election was observed by election monitors from Commonwealth nations like Sierra Leone, Bangladesh and Ghana and even they were shocked by how “corruptible and open to fraud” the British voting system is.

Let us ponder further, from Votescam, 1992:

The computers that spoke in November 1988 held in their inner workings small boxes that contained secret codes that only the sellers of the computers could read. The programs, or “source codes,” were regarded as “trade secrets,” The sellers of the vote-counting software zealously guarded their programs from the public, from election officials, from everyone—on the dubious grounds that competitors could steal their ideas if the source codes were open to inspection.

You may ask: What “ideas” does it require to count something as simple as ballots?

Can the “ideas” be much more complex than, let’s say, a supermarket computerized cash register or an automatic bank teller machine?

The computer voting machines do not have to do anything complicated at all; they simply must be able to register votes for the correct candidate or party or proposal, tabulate them, count them up, and deliver arithmetically correct additions. People with no formal training, even children, used to do it all the time.

So why can’t the public know what those secret source codes instruct the computers to do? It only makes common sense that every gear, every mechanism, every nook and cranny of every part of the voting process ought to be in the sunlight, wide open to public view.

How else can the public be reasonably assured that they are participating in an unrigged election where their vote actually means something?

Yet one of the most mysterious, low-profile, covert, shadowy, questionable mechanisms of American democracy is the American vote count . . .

Begin to see the depth and spread of the problem?

(And, take time to read Votescam, here, concern has been on record for nearly 30 years regarding corruptibility of computerised voting schemes. While of course there are many confident manner dismissals, the rash of concerns highlighted above should give pause. Sadly, predictably, for many mere words and statistical patterns will not be enough. That is in key part why we are in for a wild ride over the next fourteen or so months as strategic decision sets in for the ongoing 4G civil war in the shadows.)

U/D14: I wish to make further notes on the Benford pattern, as I think it an important bit of Math/statistical general background relevant to a sound understanding of reality. The use of this in detecting fraud (as a red flag) is important, but the underlying dynamics of how sets of numbers arise and how they reflect their roots is also important. First, a video tutorial:

Now, let’s ponder the two digits case (with help of Wikipedia):

From the video, we may clip a tabulation of expected onward digits, noting that 0 now becomes a possible digit:

Convergence on 0.10 is obvious but with big enough sets of numbers at least the second and perhaps the third digits can be tested. This way, we could create a cumulative case. It would be interesting to see a first-second digit analysis of the precinct level outcomes, especially treating the second as reflecting a conditional probability on the first. That might be a fascinating audit-related exercise.

We can take it as granted that depending on circumstances this will show up. In that context, the concern raised by our auditor (cf. 636 below) is valid:

You’ve probably also seen a lot of mention of Benford’s Law over the last few days. Posts talking about it have been getting vanished off of Facebook (that I can confirm firsthand). https://theothermccain.com/2020/11/09/articles-mentioning-benfords-law-are-reportedly-banned-on-facebook/

Basically, when numbers are aggregated normally, they follow a distribution curve. When numbers are fabricated, they don’t. When human beings create what they think of as “random” numbers, they’re not. This is an auditing tool for things like looking for fabricated invoices. It also applies to elections. A normal election follows the expected curve. If you look at a 3rd world dictatorship’s election numbers, it looks like a spike or a saw.

There’s a bunch of different people out there running the numbers for themselves and posting the results so you can check their math. It appears that checking various places around the country Donald Trump’s votes follow the curve. The 3rd party candidates follow the curve. Down ballot races follow the curve. Hell, even Joe Biden’s votes follow the curve for MOST of the country. But then when you look at places like Pittsburgh the graph looks like something that would have made Hugo Chavez blush.

It’s amazing how all these extremely improbable statistical events just keep on happening, but only in the places where they make the most difference. Go figure. “It’s a miracle!” declared the Party of Science.

We can actually see that from U/D10 above.

Obviously, not a proof but a point for concern among a rash of others. This broad issue is not going away.

U/D15: Below, at 1019, I provided a discussion on random walks that shows why Benford type distributions of political views and voting patterns are fairly likely in sufficiently heterogeneous, distributed populations. One of the issues that emerged as relevant is the Overton Window, so, here is a perspective on it:

U/D16: More on Scatter-plots in MI, with the fresh analysis in 1019 in the background on why we expect heterogenous, reverse-J voting patterns on a state-wide scale:

In discussion of the Dr Shiva scatter-plots, a YT commenter linked his own correlated B- vs T- plots, clipped above. There is a clear source-sink correlation in deviations from the straight-ticket vote baseline [a proxy for strong party support]. We also notice kinked ramps, with the knee at about 20%. The plausibility questions highlighted in orange, frame the issue of how such a pattern is to be best explained.

(Also, the extreme L captures a slice of precinct outcomes, giving at least a hint that we are not seeing the naive flat response. BTW, the 9-lead cases come at the low end. Scanning by eye, T-votes in precincts run from 8 to 555 in 251 cases, total 59,095, average 236, pretty nearly mid point. This is nearly two orders of magnitude, so it seems the spread out heterogeneity criterion is met at precinct level aggregated to even county level. Mind you, 600k people as smallest unit of aggregation, county, is well over the median for small countries in the Caribbean. I do recall learning that in China, counties routinely have 2 – 3 millions. I see there are 3,141 “counties” in the US, implying average pop. over 100k.)

U/D16: A Lou Dobbs discussion with Ms Sidney Powell during which she reads from an affidavit on origin of the Dominion systems software and what it can do:

https://youtu.be/RioH_APOBCo

Food for thought, and recall, an affidavit is evidence notarised under penalty of incarceration. It is evidence. DV, later, on background regarding relevant McFaul colour revolution election manipulation patterns.

U/D17: Extending the McFaul Colour Revolution Programme and SOCOM Insurgency Escalator, through the Tefft election fraud/manipulation techniques:

Let us compare, again, the McFaul-SOCOM framework:

To focus attention, let us clip the list of election fraud techniques, c. 2004:

  • Illegal Use of Absentee Ballots: According to the respected NGO “Committee of Voters of Ukraine” (CVU), massive electoral fraud was committed through the illegal use of absentee voter certificates. For example, people were caught in Dnipropetrovsk and Sumy oblasts with their pockets stuffed with blank absentee ballots that they were using to vote at multiple polling stations.
  • Opposition Observers Ejected: Observers from Our Ukraine and other opposition groups were expelled from most polling stations in eastern Ukraine on Election Day. For example, in Territorial Election Commission (TEC) district number 42 in Donetsk oblast, Our Ukraine observers were kicked out of all but a few polling stations.
  • North Korean-Style Turnout in the East: Turnout in the pro-Yanukovych eastern oblasts was unnaturally high. In several electoral districts, turnout for the run-off round increased by 30 to 40 percent over the first round. In Luhansk oblast, the reported turnout rate hit nearly 96 percent — a number that, to quote the OSCE, even Stalinist North Korea would envy. A similar turnout rate was reported in Donetsk oblast, where 98 percent of the votes went to hometown candidate Prime Minister Yanukovych.
  • Mobile Ballot Box Fraud: In the second round of the election, the number of voters who supposedly cast ballots at home using mobile ballot boxes was double that of the first round. Much of this voting occurred without observers being present and was massively fraudulent. In Mykolayiv oblast, for example, nearly 35 percent of the oblast’s voters purportedly cast their ballots “at home.”
  • Computer Data Allegedly Altered To Favor Yanukovych: There were credible reports showing that that Yanukovych supporters gained illegal access to the Central Election Commission’s computer system and illegally altered vote tabulation data being transmitted by TECs to the CEC.
  • Reports of Opposition Fraud: Yanykovych’s supporters allege that Yushchenko’s supporters stuffed ballot boxes in western Ukraine. But the reports and evidence of pro-Yanukovych fraud greatly outweighed those indicated for Yushchenko.

Of course, exit polling etc were used as a reference:

This massive ballot-box stuffing, fake turnout figures, and other forms of fraud and abuse allowed the authorities to create a victory for their candidate that almost certainly would not have been possible in a free and fair election. The final figures announced by the Central Election Commission (CEC) gave Prime Minister Yanukovych with 49.46 percent of the vote over opposition candidate Yushchenko with 46.61 percent. It is impossible to know what the real numbers were, but a large-scale (20,000 respondents), nation-wide anonymous exit poll conducted by a consortium of three highly respected research organizations (partially funded by the United States Government) projected Yushchenko the winner with 53 percent versus 44 percent for Yanukovych. Other exit polls and parallel vote counts indicated a Yushchenko victory, although by lesser amounts.

Such polling now stands discredited through repeated inaccuracies, sometimes gross.

Further to this, we must face the pattern of street tactics, sing off the same hymn sheet media, rash of red flags and more. Of particular significance we can find striking parallels to the course of events in Egypt during that phase of the Arab Spring (which also raises the issue of external interference and linked issues over social media networks, manipulation and censorship), raising the question of the feasibility of coup by street level action joined to election manipulation once there is an atmosphere of crisis that leads to a tendency to surrender normal safeguards.

U/D18, Nov 18, to illustrate why it is not unreasonable that a Benford pattern-like reverse-J distribution can emerge from a random walk driven process across a single cycle of magnitude:

U/D19, Nov 18, excerpts from Affidavit announced by Ms Powell, as a basis for discussion (there is no implication of across the board endorsement, but the penalty acknowledgement should be noted):

U/D20, Nov 19: The Georgia Election Ramp:

U/D21, for reference, Guiliani-Powell press conference: . . . further update, a 1 h 40 min version:

U/D22, Nov 21: More on fluctuations, vote cliffs and staircase trends (with PS f-curve added):

U/D23, Lawfare phase in progress:

Notice also, Ms Powell’s recent media appearance with Mr Beck:

From this, further information is to go to the media and public starting this weekend. However, it is clear that full disclosure will only happen in court. This will enable us to evaluate specific incidents and testimony as to facts, but such does not change the power of the foundational, moral duty case. I therefore clip 1351 below:

A moral duty argument.

First, all relevant officials and connected persons have a main duty to ensure integrity of elections, and know or should acknowledge the potential for fraud and what it can mean. Therefore, neglect on a systemic basis is only partly negligence, it becomes in material part a strong sign of wrongful intent. In the case of the US and a relevant party, in Feb 1994, the NYT published a front page, just below fold article [see, 1273 below] on a judge’s reversal of an election outcome and of majority in a legislature in PA, due to fraud connected to a known vulnerable type of ballot and to harvesting, intimidation etc. Ten years later in 2004, The US congress received testimony on fraud in the Ukraine [see, U/D 17 above] that further amplified such techniques. So, systemic ignorance cannot be responsibly pleaded and indeed is discredited. Accordingly there were just on these cases sixteen to twenty six years to purge the said party of such a taint, but instead this year excuse of a pandemic was taken to multiply opportunity and means for similar fraud. This is a moral duty demonstration of wrongful intent and shifts or should shift our common sense evaluation of evidence [affidavits, anomalous patterns, disturbances to counts, frustration of proper scrutineering (ponder barriers erected to block even distant observation as has been circulated by images, not just reports of witnesses), surge in vulnerable ballots, single candidate ballots etc] to recognise these as consistent with carrying out a morally demonstrated intent. This obtains whether or not sufficient weight can be amassed to lead courts to vacate suspect ballots, or whether criminal charges can be brought against leading individuals. That common sense issue is also implicated in Federalist 68, etc so state legislatures may have a duty to act in face of a tainted election. The implication, no you do not get a second round to try again, but responsible bodies take up from [and remedy] your failure can be taken as a built in deterrent effect. However moral fibre in our civilisation has long been progressively undermined for generations.

U/D24: From Blackbox voting, a leaked email on fractional votes,

U/D25, Nov 23: As this has been raised below, I augment:

U/D26, Nov 24: H T BA 77, evidence is now being compiled here also note here at AT. Similarly, AT on Ms Powell and the Trump Team is here. I insert a clip from the evidence page:

ADDED: This 2006 CNN video on voting machines is stunning testimony against interest, pardon quality issues, this is critical evidence:

U/D27, a live observation of fractional votes where they should not be:

O/N: I added detail clips in 1767 below, and draw some conclusions.

O/N2: Thanks to BA77 in 1752 and Jerry in 1754, we have context for this affidavit and that in 19. There is an independent initiative following up from an election fiasco in TX in 2018, where Patrick Byrne — a tech entrepreneur who founded overstock dot com — has been funding an expert investigatory team. He warned US Homeland Security in August but was apparently brushed off; he will post findings in his own web site, so whatever happens in courts and media, this is going to the public — who will render the ultimate verdict on not only this election but on those who dominate the key “mountains of influence” of the US. Video:

https://youtu.be/UMaNXjIYd00

U/D28: Another eyewitness from the “ground zero” counting centre in Detroit:

U/D29: A Slide summary of the Powell filings, GA & MI, cf also tabulation here. Food for thought:

U/D30: Mr Chad-man, FL, 2000 (HT, NPR):

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DISCUSSION CONTINUES HERE: https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/ud-live-event-from-nov-3-us-election-contd-bbc-yes-the-beeb-on-blms-marxist-founders-we-fought-to-change-history-and-we-won/kairosfocus
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BA77, I think you have a good point, so later I will. KF . . . kairosfocus
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But Jerry, isn’t that our lot with ID in general?
I used to say I have never met an honest Darwinist except one. The one honest Darwinist commenter left here more than 10 years ago. It was Great Ape. So why try to debate them. They will never respond honestly unless they believe they think they have a “gotcha.” Use them as foils of their nonsense. But don’t debate them. The same could be said for liberals. I never met one that is honest or wants an honest discussion. That includes very close relatives. It’s amazing how good a time one can have if politics is not discussed. For example, I was at a concert for a very close friend’s child and they ended with the song “Imagine.” I said the song was a ballad to atheism and communism She is religious and disagreed but very liberal. I said look at the lyrics. She did and got visibly upset and then angrily accused me of agreeing with the murder of John Lennon. We have since had some very good times together but never discuss politics. Beliefs are mainly based on emotions for Darwinists and liberals. No amount of evidence or logic will make a difference. Interesting on things that are very personal to them, they are conservative. Another example that is current and hits home. I told some close relatives that I was taking a proven treatment for C19. One got so angry with me that he said he never wanted to hear anything from me on the virus. No debate or questions, just anger. The others were not as impolite but too avoided the subject from than on. So what is one to do when one of them gets infected or has a close friend of theirs infected. It will only start a fight and lose friends and contact with relatives. A lot of basically conservative people vote liberal because they only know what the liberal news is telling them. Witness the recent survey of Biden voters where almost 20% said they would have voted differently if they knew the truth.jerry
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KF, I am with Jerry on starting a new thread, Although I have a new laptop that can easily handle loading this page, I am sure others have older computers that can't easily handle the load. I suggest starting a new thread just so we don't lose anyone who may be following along simply because they may have a dated computer. Perhaps the Arizona legislature 'hearing' that is going to be held later this morning would be a good place to start a new thread?? I'm sure new evidence will be presented in that 'hearing'. Jerry, as to your feeling that there is nothing to be gained by '“He said she said.”,,, But Jerry, isn't that our lot with ID in general? For years, no matter how compelling the evidence may be that we present to Darwinian Atheists here on UD, they always end up saying that it isn't good enough for them to believe in ID. i.e. It always boils down to “He said she said.”,,, The best we can hope for here on UD, barring a miraculous transformation of heart in our Darwinian. opponents, is for the unbiased readers themselves to be persuaded, (from our seemingly endless debates with Darwinists), that Darwinists have don't have a leg to stand on. For instance, after years and years of debating Seversky, I have completely given up on Seversky ever being reasonable to the evidence, but I continue on anyway in my debates with him simply because I might persuade some unbiased readers to reject Seversky's Darwinian/Atheistic worldview and to adopt a Theistic, even a Christian, worldview instead.bornagain77
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Kairosfocus: Actually, we all have a basis for reasoning. Not me, I'm immune. So I won't bother to waste your time discussing the issues with you. William J Murray: I think that's a good decisionJVL
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Jerry, I believe Powell claims there was widespread fraud. I do as well. I think it's irrational to think that any national election is free from widespread fraud given widespread motive and opportunity.William J Murray
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JVL said:
Since I am immune to reason I won’t waste your time answering your queries.
I think that's a good decision.William J Murray
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We are getting into Star Trek date ranges, but yes, let’s keep in one thread.
Already missed the opportunity to stop at 2020. Not sure if anything new is gained by continuing a “He said she said.”jerry
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JVL & WJM, Actually, we all have a basis for reasoning. Namely, the inescapable first duties of responsible reason. For example, just now JVL implicitly appeals to truth, fairness and first principles of right reason. Actually, the use of distinct identity starts with using distinct glyphs to express words and meaning. That carries with it, its close corollaries, non contradiction and excluded middle. So, the issue is what the late dean of oped writers in my homeland used to call, logic with a swivel. Double-standards involving self-serving or agenda serving inconsistencies, evasions and the like. Which, regrettably, are all too common in this discussion. As, WJM has actually pointed out in some detail. Russia-Russia [$48 mn and a hostile investigation dragged out for years when from outset there was little warrant turned up empty] and the Kavanaugh hearing slanders are capital cases. The underlying issue is taking a crooked yardstick as standard for straightness, uprightness and accuracy. What is truly straight, upright and accurate will fail the test of conformity to crookedness. And so the issue is to go to naturally straight and upright plumb lines. (Then, what is straight can be tested for internal consistency to see if it is precise then against known good standards to calibrate it.) Where, obviously, there are antecedent first truths and duties of reason that are being evaded or taken occasion of to indulge the rhetoric of accusation. (I have not forgotten an exchange above where assertions were made, I gave opportunity to walk back then had to take out point by point.) These duties remain:
We can readily identify at least seven inescapable first duties of reason. "Inescapable," as they are so antecedent to reasoning that even the objector implicitly appeals to them; i.e. they are self-evident. Namely, duties, to truth, to right reason, to prudence, to sound conscience, to neighbour; so also, to fairness and justice etc. Such built-in . . . thus, universal . . . law is not invented by parliaments, kings or courts, nor can these principles and duties be abolished by such; they are recognised, often implicitly as an indelible part of our evident nature. Hence, "natural law," coeval with our humanity, famously phrased in terms of "self-evident . . . rights . . . endowed by our Creator" in the US Declaration of Independence, 1776. (Cf. Cicero in De Legibus, c. 50 BC.) Indeed, it is on this framework that we can set out to soundly understand and duly balance rights, freedoms and duties; which is justice, the pivot of law. The legitimate main task of government, then, is to uphold and defend the civil peace of justice through sound community order reflecting the built in, intelligible law of our nature. Where, as my right implies your duty a true right is a binding moral claim to be respected in life, liberty, honestly aquired property, innocent reputation etc. To so justly claim a right, one must therefore demonstrably be in the right. Likewise, Aristotle long since anticipated Pilate's cynical "what is truth?": truth says of what is, that it is; and of what is not, that it is not. [Metaphysics, 1011b, C4 BC.] Simple in concept, but hard to establish on the ground; hence -- in key part -- the duties to right reason, prudence, fairness etc. Thus, too, we may compose sound civil law informed by that built-in law of our responsibly, rationally free morally governed nature; from such, we may identify what is unsound or false thus to be reformed or replaced even though enacted under the colour and solemn ceremonies of law. The first duties, also, are a framework for understanding and articulating the corpus of built-in law of our morally governed nature, antecedent to civil laws and manifest our roots in the Supreme Law-giver, the inherently good, utterly wise and just creator-God, the necessary (so, eternal), maximally great being at the root of reality.
So, now, can we take up the Reasoning 001 in 2270 above and go forward from there? Where, it is clear that there is abundant eyewitness testimony and highly credible expert testimony on the table, with public facts that already imply knowing wrongful intent. For the sake of civilisation, the US election systems have to be restored to integrity and sound credibility, now. The world cannot afford the alternative, with its geostrategic consequences. This isn't a game, it is existential. KFkairosfocus
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there was no widespread voter fraud.
No one claims there was widespread fraud. It was targeted to a handful of geographic areas run by Democrats. Amazing how some will excuse obvious corruption.jerry
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William J Murray: Until you can give a reasoned response to theses and challenges, why would anyone consider you a credible participant in this conversation? And earlier: They are immune to reason because they have no basis for proper reasoning and apparently feel no moral duty to extend any more effort than to wait until their figures of authority tell them what to think and how to feel about it. Since I am immune to reason I won't waste your time answering your queries.JVL
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WJM, that's the classic, sue me if you dare; opening up discovery and evidence presentation. It is indeed a point, though there is that little record of the TX rejection of Dominion for cause which lies behind a good slice of the expert testimony and likely that Venezuelan Marine. KFkairosfocus
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KF, I agree with all that. More telling is the lack of a defamation lawsuit against Powell at least in the interest of protecting the business, employees and shareholder interests. As time goes by, it lends weight to the perspective that they do not want to go through the discovery process that action would provide.William J Murray
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WJM, to be fair, sometimes, innocent parties do protest that they are innocent; though sometimes they plead guilty to what they have not done too. My own comment on Dominion etc is, they have not admitted to their in-common interconnexions, have advertised fraud-prone capabilities as though they were good things, and have made dubious claims. In particular there was denial claimed above regarding fractional vote reports. Only, bang, this not only is in root legacy code but showed up in the media report stream for MI. Where also it was not admitted that ES&S was acquired/ is a subsidiary, this being the lineal descendant of Diebold. I also don't like voting data being moved about on USB cards and the use of ballot scanners as ballot markers. Then there are issues on adjudication file manipulation and event log manipulation. KF PS: That noted, my bigger concerns lie with frustration of scrutineering, which enables most forms of vote fraud, and with the effectively uncontrolled mail-in ballots which destabilised this election and have potential to make elections meaningless. Underlying, is the longstanding failure at moral duty to election integrity.kairosfocus
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MMT: You want to earn some credibility? Try writing this: "You're right. You got me on the Flynn thing. I didn't know what I was talking about. I shouldn't have said that." There is no shame in admitting such things; in fact it adds to your credibility. Being able to admit it when you are wrong is an admirable trait, worthy of respect. People in this forum have taught me a lot. I've been wrong my share of times. BA77 was the most recent one that did it in a big way; KF has taught me a lot just from his posts in this thread. I learned during the course of this debate, by doing my own research, that even the electoral college is not the body that decides who is going to be President. Ultimately, it is always congress that decides, even if they go along with the electoral college vote. I made a statement either earlier in this thread or in another that it will all be decided on Dec. 14, when the electors vote. Nope. I was wrong. That was something I believed my whole adult life because that was what every media source told me for decades. I had to learn the hard way not to say stuff I don't personally take the time to research, because "the media" and other figures of authority were so often entirely wrong and entirely misrepresenting the easily-found facts. Case for example on media "authorities," such as so called "fact-checkers:" https://republicmatters.com/election-2020/candace-owens-lawyers-up-gets-politifact-to-bend-the-knee/ The easiest fact check in the world was what Candace Owens said; Politifact got it 100% wrong.William J Murray
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"Don’t spit in my face and tell me it’s raining."
A compilation of twenty alleged election ‘facts’ that don’t pass the smell test By Andrea Widburg - November 30, 2020 Americans have common sense, so they can understand when they’re being played (for example, when politicians place Americans under house arrest and then ignore their own rules to party and travel). And they know that there is no way on God’s green earth that decrepit, demented, corrupt, and terminally stupid Joe Biden fairly won this election. This post assembles various election anomalies that don’t pass the smell test. J.B. Shurk, who frequently publishes at American Thinker, wrote a knock-out article for The Federalist about Joe Biden’s magical performance in the election. You should read the whole article, but here are four things that don’t pass the smell test: 1. Biden allegedly got 80 million votes, which is more than Obama received at his peak, in 2008 – and Biden did this despite losing minority voters to Donald Trump and trailing Trump in voter enthusiasm. 2. Biden broke 60 years of precedent by winning nationally despite losing prodigiously in bellwether states and counties. The last time this happened was when the mafia got out the vote for John F. Kennedy in 1960. 3. Trump had extraordinary coattails, so much so that even the New York Times admitted that the “Democrats Suffered Crushing Down-Ballot Losses Across America.” Think about that: Biden had no coattails and no enthusiasm, yet he allegedly won a record number of votes. Smells fetid to me. 4. Biden barely made it through the primaries, while Trump soared, with Trump’s performance being a historically sure sign of voter enthusiasm and probable victory – yet Biden, again, allegedly scored an equally historically strong victory. At The Spectator, Patrick Basham, a professional pollster, also felt that Biden’s alleged win cannot pass the smell test. Again, this is a summary, so you should read the original article: 5. Trump exceeded his original vote count by the largest margin for any incumbent in American history. He got 10 million more votes than before; by contrast, Obama, in 2012, got 3.5 million fewer votes than in 2008. 6. Trump’s support among blacks grew by 50%, while Biden’s fell below the important 90%-mark that Democrat candidates need to secure victory. 7. In the Rust Belt, Biden lost black support everywhere except in Detroit, Philadelphia, and Milwaukee. In those cities, every single black person apparently voted for Biden. 8. While pollsters can and do manipulate polling outcomes, non-polling metrics (historical norms such as the economy, enthusiasm, etc.) have never been wrong – only we’re being told that this year was the exception. Then there are the indicia of fraud that Dr. Navid Kershavarz-Nia detailed: 9. The fact that Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, and Georgia simultaneously pretended to halt ballot counting while continuing to count is evidence of election fraud collusion. 10. Optical scanners were set to accept unverified, un-validated ballots. 11. The scanners were almost certainly programmed to fail to keep audit records. 12. In the contested states, the voting machines were alleged to have processed hundreds of thousands of ballots within a short time, which is a physical impossibility. And here are a few more indications of fraud: 13. In Pennsylvania, statistically impossible numbers of late-arriving mail-in votes went to Biden. 14. Dominion and ES&S voting machines were created to have back doors and specific functions to manipulate votes either at the machine or over the internet. 15. Fox News’s behavior on election night (refusing to call pro-Trump outcomes while prematurely calling Arizona for Biden) was so abnormal that Vegas oddsmakers instantly assumed that the fix was in. 16. The allegedly late-arriving mailed-in ballots increased Biden’s equally alleged lead with statistically impossible perfection and stability. 17. There were anomalies in Virginia that suggested that computers were subtracting votes from Trump and, sometimes, giving them to Biden. 18. One analysis shows that voting machines in Michigan systematically removed votes from Trump and handed them to Biden. I saw a rebuttal (which I cannot locate now) that purported to debunk this but did so by using a different scale on the X-axis, which I found inherently suspicious. 19. Over 100,000 Pennsylvania absentee ballots were returned either a day after they were mailed out, on the day they were mailed out, or on the day before they were mailed out. 20. In all the contested areas, and at Dominion’s website, Democrats have been systematically failing to create or have destroyed all data that could be used to demonstrate fraud. This creates the legal presumption that the data do, in fact, show fraud. On behalf of all Trump voters, I say to the Democrats who are trying to gaslight us: Don’t spit in my face and tell me it’s raining. https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/a_compilation_of_twenty_alleged_election_facts_that_dont_pass_the_smell_test.html#ixzz6fGx6bx2h
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JVL said:
Again, you marginalise anyone who disagrees with you. Noted. As usual: if you disagree with us you’re stupid and wrong. Typical.
Saying things like this does not help you with your credibility issue. First, I didn't call you stupid. Second, the very nature of a "disagreement" means that each side of the disagreement thinks the other side is wrong. Of course I think you're wrong, and when I think you're wrong, I point out why I think you're wrong. I and others have been pointing why we think you're wrong on several matters this whole thread. Is it somehow shocking or revelatory to you that we think you are wong? What was the point of even saying that? If you feel marginalized, that's your problem. I can't help you there. If you want to be considered by me as a credible participant in this discussion, then say something that is not the parroting of media sources. Give a reasoned position you are willing to support via logic and facts we both accept. Respond to reasoned arguments with a reasoned rebuttal. Mocking, derision, complaints about being marginalized or considered "wrong" by those who disagree with you are not reasoned rebuttals. For instance, even though I asked to be directed to the actual court-filed documents that support the constant claim that Trump has lost 35+ (or whatever the number is now) court cases, I got directed to one by Viola Lee. I honestly don't know how many court cases Trump has lost in court. Even though I pointed out that you have not presented any actual evidence that there has been that many court cases lost by Trump, you seem to think that your media sources who make that claim is evidence enough to believe it is true. Even if you or others go back now and actually provide those links, it doesn't change the fact that repetition of that information prior to supporting it demonstrates your parroting of media claims as if they make your case. Repeating it here without even the due diligence of confirming the claim before you submit it via your own research shows me you're not even trying to present a credible point. Your media has been called into question; so far you have refused to answer to the glaring disparity in how the media covered the Russian Collusion conspiracy vs the claims of the Trump team and Sidney Powell. When called out on your ( I'm not absolutely sure it was you; I sometimes mis-remember if it was you or JVL that said a thing, my apologies if it was not you) lack of credibility on the matter of the Flynn "lie," you called it a "word game." People with proper critical reasoning and moral, ethical duties do not say things like "they had unassailable evidence that Flynn lied" when they don't know the particulars of the matter and don't even know what the supposed "lie" was. That undermines your credibility. When I said there was no evidence supporting the Russian Collusion conspiracy, Seversky chimed in with "Not quite" and a big cut-and paste. A lot of that had to do with obstruction, which wasn't even relevant. Most of the rest had to do with people being charged with crimes completely unrelated to Russian Collusion. Was anything entered into a court of law? Was any citizen of the US, much less people associated with Trump, charged with "collusion" or conspiracy with Russian representatives? Then, by the standards you and others have expounded as "evidence" in the current fraud cases, there was never any evidence whatsoever supporting the "Russian Collusion" claims. Was there ever even any sworn testimony submitted anywhere that made a claim of fact of evidence for Russian Collusion? Did it ever even reach a court? Yet, the media sources you and others parrot here in lieu of your own research and reasoned argument blasted headlines and articles and opinion pieces and committed vast amounts of daily airtime supporting a conspiracy theory that had ZERO legal evidence. ZERO. How can you even say that media is credible, especially considering that the Trump team and Powell have actual evidence (sworn affidavits) that they have submitted in court? I mean, it at least has gotten to the sworn affidavit and court level; that's infinitely farther than "Russian Collusion" ever got. Yet, the mainstream media is quiet as a mouse on the subject other than to ridicule Powell. Why didn't they ridicule the people who came on their shows day after day spouting the Russia Collusion conspiracy without a shred of evidence? Why weren't they ridiculing the lack of evidence? Why are the willing to give credence to anonymous sources and zero evidence and run those claims, and they have not even touched the the testimony of Navid Keshavarz-Nia, a recognized expert? When you or others post denials from Dominion's website as if they are a credible contribution in a discussion alleging their criminal involvement in Powell's fraud case, it is clear you don't understand the nature of rational discourse. What good does it do to post the denials of the very entity being accused of Fraud? Do you think that is significant in some way? Do you expect those accused of massive election rigging to post, "Yeah, sorry you got us!" on their website in response? Until you can give a reasoned response to theses and challenges, why would anyone consider you a credible participant in this conversation?William J Murray
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Jerry@2294, or option 5, there was no widespread voter fraud. As the courts have decided in 39 suits so far.
They actually haven't - none of those suits have been about fraud. Giuliani even stated in court in the PA suit that it wasn't about fraud.Bob O'H
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KF, Note the context of the original discussion, where "will of the people" is equivalent to "popular vote" as in a national, Presidential election or, on a state basis, the appointment of electors in a national election. There was no popular vote in each state to ratify the constitution. Amendments are not added by popular vote.William J Murray
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WJM, I would note, ratification by state referenda; giving muscle to we the people. Of course, extent of franchise c 1987 - 9 is worlds different from now. However, there is no doubt of generations of overwhelming support, continuing to today. Yes, the Founders and Framers definitely wanted a constitutional republic that tamed popular support elements through a network of checks and balances. That is, they were deeply concerned on the dangers of democracy as shown by its history. They feared mob rule, and that unchecked majority decisions had high risk of becoming mob rule. Hence too, united STATES, not united people. There is also the what is law issue pivoting on natural law driven by the logic of justice and prudence, coeval with the governing first duties embedded in our rational responsible freedom as core human nature characteristics. Today's legal positivism tries to dismiss such and too often opens the door to nihilistic manipulation. KFkairosfocus
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MMT said
And the will of the people can change the constitution
No, it cannot. This is why you are not credible in this conversation. Even the original constitution was not ratified by the "will of the people." The USA has never been a democracy. It was never intended to be a Democracy.William J Murray
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F/N: A lawyer goes through the GA suit. KFkairosfocus
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The Trump legal team has already signaled its intention to appeal the ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court. "The activist judicial machinery in Pennsylvania continues to cover up the allegations of massive fraud," Trump's attorneys Jenna Ellis and Rudy Giuliani said on Twitter. "On to SCOTUS!" But a Supreme Court challenge isn't likely to succeed, according to former acting U.S. Solicitor General Neal Katyal, a frequent advocate before the high court. "It's hard to imagine a stronger smackdown," Katyal said on Twitter. The 3rd Circuit "has totally destroyed Trump's claims in Pennsylvania," Katyal added, calling the ruling "devastating." "I went to school with Judge Bibas," Katyal said. "He didn't suffer fools gladly then. He's very conservative, but that is the point: True conservatives see this lawsuit for what it is — a baseless attack on our democracy." Bibas wrote that although the Trump team publicly condemns cover-ups and fraud, it didn't allege fraud in court. Rather, it objected to some restrictions placed on Republican poll watchers as well as that some Pennsylvania counties let voters fix mail-in ballots that were filled in improperly. But neither state nor federal law determines how close a poll watcher need be, the court said. Nor does any law dictate how election officials should react if absentee voters fail to fill in their mail-in ballots perfectly.
From: https://www.npr.org/2020/11/27/939526545/voters-not-lawyers-choose-the-president-trump-team-dealt-another-blow-in-court So, why are the Trumpsters NOT presenting evidence of fraud if they've got it? Could it be the 'evidence' is pretty rubbish?JVL
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Dominion machines should be preserved, along with all ballots in every state they were used. Do a physical count of each ballot and compare the results. Each Secretary of State that allowed Dominion machines should have their financials scrutinized. States, such as Texas, did not use Dominion due to known issues with the software. Those issues could not have been missed by the other states. Why allow voting machines into your state, from a Secretary of State perspective, knowing there are serious issues with the software?BobRyan
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Vividbleau: Really? Do you honestly think the MSM have been honest in their coverage of I am not aware of some of those issues so I cannot say. I get almost all of my news via the BBC which is akin to NPR and PBS, commercial free supported by public funds. Frequently their reporters are criticised or sanctioned for being biased, i.e. express a personal opinion, or for not being fair in their presentation. They're supposed to just present what is happening. For the most part when I check on other news sources regarding particular stories I find the BBC's coverage pretty middle-of-the-road, neither too liberal or too conservative. That doesn't mean the BBC doesn't produce content which you might find very liberal such as promoting David Attenborough's warnings about climate change but that's not part of the news division. And David Attenborough is respected more than the Queen and his opinion is taking very seriously so it's appropriate that he is given a platform to express his views. It is also true that the BBC reserves the right to parody and make fun of everyone including those in the government, the royalty and the BBC itself. I think you'd be surprised if you knew how much BBC comedians make fun of the Royal family. I don't think you can criticise a news organisation until you've experienced it for a long period of time. The BBC is respected in the UK and around the world. Many of its international reporters have covered their patches for years and years, in some cases decades. I'm not saying they're above reproach and they frequently are criticised but I don't think you'll find a better single news source in the world. I'm sure you can access the BBC World Service, you should give it a listen to sometime.JVL
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U/D: It looks like after a see-saw battle across the day yesterday, Dominion Machines in GA are ordered preserved until further notice. (I thought there was a Federal law provision of 22 months preservation of all material records on a Federal election?) KFkairosfocus
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U/D: When State AG Office -- clarification -- agents show up at a witnesses' home unannounced and leave her unsure whether she is an accused or a witness, that is not a good sign. This Witness is one of the frustrated scrutineers; who spoke out as a whistleblower in the PA hearings. KF PS: From her responsive tweet, the Flynn effect is being taken into account. She refused to naively cooperate and directed them to her attorney at law. In any case, an unannounced visit has the obvious taint of state intimidation.kairosfocus
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MMT, I did not establish the history of genocide, nor did I establish the Roe vs Wade decision and its consequences. The ugly fact is US courts have enabled mass slaughter of 63+ millions of innocent living posterity in the womb since Jan 1973, currently rising at 400k per year. The reality is, that this is five times the overall Nazi Holocaust [yes, the Poles in general, the Ukrainians and Russians etc suffered a terrible toll of deliberate mass murder too, beyond mere casualties in war . . . the Russian prisoner of war survival rate is a holocaust all by itself], comparable to the mass slaughter by the Bolsheviks in Russia and again to Mao et al in China. The global abortion slaughter is north of 800+ millions, the worst holocaust in history. That indicts us, our political systems and our Courts. You can play the how dare you point to the Nazis card all you want, those horrible realities of mass slaughter over the past 100 years are not going away. In the case of the US Court system, the record on Abortion dwarfs the fiasco of the Dred Scott decision of 1857, which was intended to settle the political issue posed by the then new Republican Party. Instead, it led straight to full blown 600k killed civil war; the US Court system is again being weighed in the balances and is coming up short. Already, in our time, 4G civil war with colour-culture revolution push is already in process, parallel to Bleeding Kansas. All of these considerations and more are going to be part of the strategic decision to be reached over the next 13 months. The genie is out of the bottle and is wreaking havoc as it wills, it is not going to go back into the bottle at the snap of a finger. Those who set the genie loose have much to account for. KFkairosfocus
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PS: As a first point towards sounder thinking on law, Cicero, c 50 BC:
—Marcus [in de Legibus, introductory remarks,. C1 BC, being Cicero himself]: . . . the subject of our present discussion . . . comprehends the universal principles of equity and law. In such a discussion therefore on the great moral law of nature, the practice of the civil law can occupy but an insignificant and subordinate station. For according to our idea, we shall have to explain the true nature of moral justice, which is congenial and correspondent [36]with the true nature of man.
[--> Note, how justice and our built in nature as a morally governed class of creatures are highlighted; thus framing the natural law frame: recognising built-in law that we do not create nor can we repeal, which then frames a sound understanding of justice. Without such an anchor, law inevitably reduces to the sort of ruthless, nihilistic might- and- manipulation- make- "right,"- "truth,"- "knowledge,"- "law"- and- "justice"- etc power struggle and chaos Plato warned against in The Laws Bk X.]
We shall have to examine those principles of legislation by which all political states should be governed. And last of all, shall we have to speak of those laws and customs which are framed for the use and convenience of particular peoples, which regulate the civic and municipal affairs of the citizens, and which are known by the title of civil laws. Quintus [his real-life brother]. —You take a noble view of the subject, my brother, and go to the fountain–head of moral truth, in order to throw light on the whole science of jurisprudence: while those who confine their legal studies to the civil law too often grow less familiar with the arts of justice than with those of litigation. Marcus. —Your observation, my Quintus, is not quite correct. It is not so much the science of law that produces litigation, as the ignorance of it, (potius ignoratio juris litigiosa est quam scientia) . . . . With respect to the true principle of justice, many learned men have maintained that it springs from Law. I hardly know if their opinion be not correct, at least, according to their own definition; for “Law (say they) is the highest reason, implanted in nature, which prescribes those things which ought to be done, and forbids the contrary.” This, they think, is apparent from the converse of the proposition; because this same reason, when it [37]is confirmed and established in men’s minds, is the law of all their actions. They therefore conceive that the voice of conscience is a law, that moral prudence is a law, whose operation is to urge us to good actions, and restrain us from evil ones. They think, too, that the Greek name for law (NOMOS), which is derived from NEMO, to distribute, implies the very nature of the thing, that is, to give every man his due. [--> this implies a definition of justice as the due balance of rights, freedoms and responsibilities] For my part, I imagine that the moral essence of law is better expressed by its Latin name, (lex), which conveys the idea of selection or discrimination. According to the Greeks, therefore, the name of law implies an equitable distribution of goods: according to the Romans, an equitable discrimination between good and evil. The true definition of law should, however, include both these characteristics. And this being granted as an almost self–evident proposition, the origin of justice is to be sought in the divine law of eternal and immutable morality. This indeed is the true energy of nature, the very soul and essence of wisdom, the test of virtue and vice.
Where, Epictetus on the inescapable primacy of logic will give food for thought on first principles antecedent to arguments, debates and policy choice etc:
DISCOURSES CHAPTER XXV How is logic necessary? When someone in [Epictetus'] audience said, Convince me that logic is necessary, he answered: Do you wish me to demonstrate this to you?—Yes.—Well, then, must I use a demonstrative argument?—And when the questioner had agreed to that, Epictetus asked him. How, then, will you know if I impose upon you?—As the man had no answer to give, Epictetus said: Do you see how you yourself admit that all this instruction is necessary, if, without it, you cannot so much as know whether it is necessary or not? [Notice, inescapable, thus self evidently true and antecedent to the inferential reasoning that provides deductive proofs and frameworks, including axiomatic systems and propositional calculus etc. Cf J. C. Wright]
Thus, we may develop a summary building on this and further thought:
We can readily identify at least seven inescapable first duties of reason. "Inescapable," as they are so antecedent to reasoning that even the objector implicitly appeals to them; i.e. they are self-evident. Namely, duties, to truth, to right reason, to prudence, to sound conscience, to neighbour; so also, to fairness and justice etc. Such built-in . . . thus, universal . . . law is not invented by parliaments, kings or courts, nor can these principles and duties be abolished by such; they are recognised, often implicitly as an indelible part of our evident nature. Hence, "natural law," coeval with our humanity, famously phrased in terms of "self-evident . . . rights . . . endowed by our Creator" in the US Declaration of Independence, 1776. (Cf. Cicero in De Legibus, c. 50 BC.) Indeed, it is on this framework that we can set out to soundly understand and duly balance rights, freedoms and duties; which is justice, the pivot of law. The legitimate main task of government, then, is to uphold and defend the civil peace of justice through sound community order reflecting the built in, intelligible law of our nature. Where, as my right implies your duty a true right is a binding moral claim to be respected in life, liberty, honestly aquired property, innocent reputation etc. To so justly claim a right, one must therefore demonstrably be in the right. Likewise, Aristotle long since anticipated Pilate's cynical "what is truth?": truth says of what is, that it is; and of what is not, that it is not. [Metaphysics, 1011b, C4 BC.] Simple in concept, but hard to establish on the ground; hence -- in key part -- the duties to right reason, prudence, fairness etc. Thus, too, we may compose sound civil law informed by that built-in law of our responsibly, rationally free morally governed nature; from such, we may identify what is unsound or false thus to be reformed or replaced even though enacted under the colour and solemn ceremonies of law. The first duties, also, are a framework for understanding and articulating the corpus of built-in law of our morally governed nature, antecedent to civil laws and manifest our roots in the Supreme Law-giver, the inherently good, utterly wise and just creator-God, the necessary (so, eternal), maximally great being at the root of reality.
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MMT, for that, there is a defined process, one being flouted through judicial activism. Judging by the sentiments and electoral shenanigans in play, I have doubts on any sound rewrite of the Constitution. Instead what is manifest is lawless, manifestly nihilistic will to power compounded by profound misunderstanding of the nature of law and its connexion to inescapable -- so, self-evidently true -- first duties of reason; especially prudence and justice. The former, best summed up, the sound application of right reason, moral duty, due balance and due caution to practical affairs . . . the charioteer of the virtues, the latter, the due balance of rights, freedoms and responsibilities. Where, rights in particular are NOT political entitlements and laws are not simply decrees of whoever controls the legal presses. I just add, while the cunning and craftiness of deceitful schemers leads them to argue that words are plastic and can be redefined by sufficiently powerful manipulators at will, the principle of truth is a bulwark against such demonism: truth says of what is, that it is, and of what is not, that it is not -- paraphrasing Aristotle. Where in particular law is accountable to creation order, naturally evident realities of our human nature, which includes the complementarity of the two sexes for one example and that a human and a sheep, dog, horse or donkey or ape are inherently different orders of animality. And much more, KF F/N: Due Context:
Jn 8: 43 Why do you misunderstand what I am saying? It is because [your spiritual ears are deaf and] you are unable to hear [the truth of] My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and it is your will to practice the desires [which are characteristic] of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks what is natural to him, for he is a liar and the father of lies and half-truths. 45 But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me [and continue in your unbelief]. [AMP] Isa 5:18 Woe (judgment is coming) to those who drag along wickedness with cords of falsehood, And sin as if with cart ropes [towing their own punishment] . . . . 20 Woe (judgment is coming) to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! 21 Woe (judgment is coming) to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever and shrewd in their own sight! 22 Woe (judgment is coming) to those who are heroes at drinking wine And men of strength in mixing intoxicating drinks, 23 Who justify the wicked and acquit the guilty for a bribe, And take away the rights of those who are in the right! [AMP]
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