UD Newswatch: Epstein Suicide

F/N: Wecht disputes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=123&v=SIL8_KVg8HY and three of his lawyers indicate same, suggesting a forthcoming statement. KF kairosfocus

FYI: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/07/opinion/letters/kevin-mccarthy-trump-anonymous.html >>A Top Republican Fires Back at ‘Anonymous’ Kevin McCarthy, the House majority leader, says the author of an Op-Ed about resistance within the administration is a “subversive” who should be “exposed and fired.” Sept. 7, 2018 To the Editor: If you didn’t believe in the Deep State before, it just took out an advertisement in The New York Times. This week The Times took the extraordinary step of publishing an anonymous Op-Ed essay written by a senior official in the Trump administration. This official is part of a quiet resistance within the Trump administration that is working diligently from within to frustrate President Trump’s agenda and keep his decisions contained to the West Wing. Those are not my words, by the way. Those are the words of the official himself or herself, taken almost verbatim from the essay. By the writer’s own description, he (I’m using “he” for simplicity’s sake, although I don’t know the writer’s gender) is thwarting the wishes of the legitimately elected president from within the executive branch . . . >> FFT KF kairosfocus

BB, the reality is, organised criminality and hidden agendas are real. The question is evidence for the particular case. Epstein's convenient suicide rooted in mismanagement of his case (suspicious, given clear importance) blocked off ways to expose and unravel. As for the deep state, the first time I heard the term I instantly realised it speaks to what I called the entrenched party of business as usual and what used to be called the establishment. Beyond, former senior general and then retiring president Eisenhower spoke of the Military-Industrial complex. Much earlier George Washington warned against entangling treaties. Blend in finance, media and top academy while taking military to include spies and secret police, toss in drugs and human trafficking networks and big boys clubs and you have a pretty workable picture of a cabal of interests that can turn self-government into mockery. Some months ago the US branch -- it is now obviously international -- literally took out a full page ad was it NYT? (Try Politico here for starters.) Of course, business as usual has rooms for factions and in-fighting etc. BAU is the shifting coalition of what the big players in the governance networks are willing to live with. The task of strategic change interventions is to shift the balance of power by bringing in stakeholders usually locked out so we can seriously look at BAU vs credible alternatives i/l/o problematiques, trends and seriously credible shocks and do a gap analysis between expected and credible alternatives, motivating change. What Epstein does is we see the criminal and demonic entanglements more clearly. Kennedy's assassination is questionable. His brains fly out and head recoils in ways best explained on a hit from front right, on the Zapruder film and the second less known one. The so called magic bullet was always a question. So, my best guess -- and guess it is -- is he was clearly gunning for Fidel and Fidel -- the Russians literally sent their station chiefs to CIA opposite numbers to explain no we had nothing to do with it -- got him first. The radical Islamist global conquest agenda per 100 year plan is documented from captured documents and once openly accessible maps. I first saw the latter on 9-11, a day no one was doing any other work. I also saw plans on details of how to make nukes. All long gone. Further to this the Quran Surah 9 ayas 5 and 29 are there for anyone to see as are the hadiths on Mahdi from the direction of Khorasan with the invincible army and the Gharqad tree hadith on latterday slaughter of Jews. Note that 9-11 was 318 years less one day from Jan Sobieski's breaking the 1683 siege of Vienna under the Ottoman Caliphate; thus marking a claim to build on the past high water mark of Islamist expansionism to the W. A constellation literally commemorates the lifting of that siege. Take your ignorance in connexion with what is NOT in the news or from the favoured pundits to calibrate just how much agit prop amplification we have under the colours of news and commentary. The power moves exerted against design thinkers are well demonstrated and documented. Pizzagate and McCarthy I have shown above, at minimum point to real and sobering issues though particular claims may have errors and particular voices may not be of the best quality. Epstein's oh so convenient demise by contrast with how he should have been treated as a key intel asset, speaks volumes for itself. BTW, I find it surpassing strange that they did not capture and squeeze Bin Laden similarly. So, your serial dismissiveness lacks substance and shows lack of sufficient checking out of fairly easily established facts. KF kairosfocus

The squashing of ID? Really? To squash ID someone needs to come up with a scientifically viable alternative. ET

KF, nobody is denying that such networks exist. Human trafficking has always been around. The internet has facilitated their ability to “recruit”, but it has also given police a tool to identify them. Conspiracy theorists see conspiracies everywhere. Whether it be the Deep State, the killing of Kennedy, Islamic world domination, the squashing of ID, Pizza gate, or the death of Epstein, some people always tend to look far beyond what the facts indicate. But all we know for sure about Epstein’s death is that he hung himself. Maybe there is far more behind this but it is up to the police (and media to a certain extant) to investigate, not a bunch of internet “investigators” who see conspiracies around every corner. Brother Brian

F/N: Will signed two days before death: https://nypost.com/2019/08/19/jeffrey-epstein-signed-will-two-days-before-suicide/ (also note onward links). Yet another bit in the convergence. Remember Rommel, KF kairosfocus

BB, more vids have been added; on the premise that the balance of credibility has shifted decisively. Not, in favour of wild slander and uncorroborated accusers used for propaganda purposes but solid cases that have to give us pause. Your bogeyman dismissals ring hollow; though on my own experience as having to do spiritual counselling I don't doubt that some form of sexual abuse, victimisation by incest or rape etc is more common than we want to think, the point is that destructive networks exist, have penetrated key circles of power and influence, are a manifest threat therefore to individuals (one Dutroux is one too many), and to our civilisation. On the Rommel comparison I am highlighting that even when it IS indisputably suicide, under certain circumstances, for cause concerns do not evaporate. In this cases too many things were as they didn't ought to be as they used to say. Starting with how did he have access to sheets or clothes suitable to make a rope, why for such a high profile case cams seem to have "malfunctioned," a trusty cell mate was removed, and the guards were not proper. All of that and more will be multiplied by the 24 hour window from release of freshly unsealed testimony pointing to elite circles being implicated. Something is very seriously wrong. KF kairosfocus

This does make me wonder about what type of cell Epstein was in- how could he have hung himself? If the cell doors had bars then he could have strangled himself. A special block, apparently with upper and lower bunks, top at maybe 5 - 6 ft, apparently steel frame anchored to wall. I am not sure if concrete, so question of a ladder. Only a narrow "arrow slit" window no bars. No bars on the doors either, no knobs it seems. No protrusions that could be used. Shower and all in one water unit [that would be enough for me by itself, ugh!] a concrete stool and shelf, a built in B/W TV. He is said to have used a sheet anchored to the bunk; itself dubious as he should have had "paper" sheets and clothes not strong enough to twist into an improvised rope. I hear of screams, immediately associated with shouts to breathe, but no clear timeline. Likewise the minimal 1/2 hr checks were not done. ET

Brother Brian:

I prefer to wait for the evidence before drawing any conclusions.

All evidence to the contrary, of course. And Brian has never demonstrated anything that demonstrates it is capable of assessing any evidence. ET

KF

BB, yes, just as the official cause of Field Marshal Rommel’s death was died of wounds after a strafing attack.

If you choose to see boogeymen around every corner that is your choice. I prefer to wait for the evidence before drawing any conclusions. Brother Brian

PS: A disturbing video worth pondering: NAH. Good intro then downhill. Try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AztjLFw39JM and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J9tNgu73Wc kairosfocus

F/N: Wikipedia's summary as a baseline:

Sex trafficking is human trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation, including sexual slavery.[1] A victim is forced, in one of a variety of ways, into a situation of dependency on their trafficker(s) and then used by said trafficker(s) to give sexual services to customers.[2] There are three types of activities defined as sex trafficking crimes: acquisition, transportation and exploitation;[1] this includes child sex tourism (CST), domestic minor sex trafficking (DMST) or other kinds of commercial sexual exploitation of children, and prostitution.[2] Sex trafficking is one of the biggest criminal businesses in the world. In 2012 the International Labour Organization, reported 20.9 million people were subjected to forced labour, and 22% (4.5 million) who are victims of forced sexual exploitation.[3] The same organization reported in 2016 that of the estimated 25 million persons in forced labor, 5 million were victims of sexual exploitation.[4][5] However, due to the covertness of sex trafficking, obtaining accurate, reliable statistics is difficult for researchers.[6] The global commercial profits for sexual slavery are estimated to be $99B according to this same source.[7] In 2005, the figure was given as $9B for the total human trafficking industry.[8][9] Most victims find themselves in coercive or abusive situations from which escape is both difficult and dangerous. Locations where this practice occurs span the globe and reflect an intricate web between nations, making it very difficult to construct viable solutions to this human rights problem.

As in a global blackmarket trading network of organised crime, with obviously a considerable incidence of children of various ages caught up in the web. Cases we have seen point to significant involvement of power elites and dirty big money. I don't doubt that intelligence agencies are still using these things for honey traps. Epstein and those tied to him, etc are only the tip that we see. KF kairosfocus

ET, we have excellent reason to infer that secret corruptions are accelerating, just from the rise of the Internet and linked cheap global travel multiplied by signs of human trafficking networks. Those would point to growth markets, albeit "black" ones; growth markets law enforcement would struggle to suppress similar to the losing war against the (connected!) illicit drugs trade. Further to this we see the linked explosion of Internet accessible pornography, much of which can be seen as enticement and grooming that undermines natural barriers, weakening resistance; I still reel when I remember running across the reports in technical works on the Internet, that originally porn dominated high bandwidth 'net traffic indeed in the US it may have paid for the broadband rollout. Where, pornography promoters developed key video technologies . . . I wonder what back doors might be there in the code even now (and no that does not by any means lock out NSA and CIA etc as also implicated). Multiply by the demonstrable collusion in power centres to undermine moral government, the natural law principles of justice, the linked global abortion holocaust [which feeds in the corrupting influence of blood guilt] and the ongoing enthusiastically media promoted agit prop and lawfare seeking to corrupt sexual identity, marriage and family. These and many other signs just hit the peg with the Epstein case. Evil is on the march in our civilisation and we had better wake up to the realities of a Nero (= 666) as sinner in chief, Rom 1 world of demonically reprobate minds with equally demonically benumbed consciences. AKA a growing number of well- connected sociopaths in positions to exert influence and power; with perverted addictions to demonic evil -- termites, riddling our civilisation's networks of influence and power. That suspicious granular dust keeps on dropping out. KF PS: The global anti-slavery movement, for cause, is still active: https://www.antislavery.org/about-us/history/ This of course is connected to the Lolita trade we just got a window on. kairosfocus

F/N: Given the Franklin Case, the Dutroux case, the Australian 60 minutes case, the penetration of the Roman Catholic Church (and others), given the David Asimov child porn case, given the Thailand trade, given that at least one case of "snuff" porn making was exposed in the Philippines and many other signs, there is more than enough evidence that we have a termites riddling the woodwork problem. That funny yellowish granular dust keeps on popping up. I have already linked the FBI produced briefing on the symbols and signs used by pedophile networks, which immediately implies a subculture using coded references and preying on boys and girls. That this penetrates into political, professional, cultural and financial elites and not just and not just churches and the scouts etch has been established by cases. So, at minimum the Pizzagate speculation points to a real problem whether or not specific claims were misdirected or exaggerated. That is exactly what was eventually proved regarding McCarthy after the USSR's files came out. There were indeed nests of traitors, it was not merely fevered unfounded imagination, and there is some reason to see that he may actually have had some well founded information, which he seems to have handled poorly. My concern is not the media dismissiveness -- which is itself a suspicious sign given, say, Savile and Moira Greyland's The Last Closet -- but the substantial termites problem. KF kairosfocus

BB, yes, just as the official cause of Field Marshal Rommel's death was died of wounds after a strafing attack. Just as the immediate cause of death was in fact suicide by taking poison. And just as the context was something he held dear was held hostage (his family) so do like the Prussians to save your family (he was a Swabian), by orders of the vengeful Fuhrer. In short, the ruling is not only dubious -- the multiple bones broken raise questions -- but all sorts of conveniently unanswered questions jump out: how did he have access to a blanket with sufficient strength (as opposed to the "paper" one), why were so many things out of line with proper procedure, why wasn't he in a safe house being properly interrogated, why was he reportedly on track to spill the beans, and more. There remains something utterly rotten with the state of the USA and the global elites. And, the benefit of doubts has now shifted decisively. We have seen the tip of the iceberg and the question is whether we can heel over and pull away enough in time to avoid a fatal collision. This time there are enough life boats but for some reason many pax are convinced nothing could possibly be wrong. KF PS: Three days of PC horrors occasioned by an autoupdate of Win gone wrong. I have got this far on setting up a new machine. And I officially report, I find Win 10 unnecessarily difficult for a main machine. kairosfocus

The ruling is suicide by hanging. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/08/16/official-autopsy-shows-jeffrey-epstein-hanged-himself-in-jail-cell/amp/ Brother Brian

Brother Brian:

I wasn’t suggesting that it was new, just that it wasn’t getting any worse than it ever was.

Except for the fact that you don't have any idea ET

KF

BB, how did you manage to twist out of what I wrote the idea that such perversity is new?

I wasn’t suggesting that it was new, just that it wasn’t getting any worse than it ever was. In fact, it is probably getting better in that these things are no longer swept under the rug as they were up until not too long ago.

As for the Pizzagate case at the minimum it is related as McCarthy was to something very real and dangerous

Pizzagate wasn’t related to anything real. A pedophile ring was not being run out of Cosmic Pizza. It was an unsupported conspiracy theory propagated and supported through the internet, including this web site, that ruined a business and several innocent reputations. I thought that the right to innocent reputation was one of those objective rights. Brother Brian

Looks like the autopsy leaves open the possibility of strangling https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/14/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy-finds-broken-bones-neck-re/ kairosfocus

PS: You seem to have missed the facts of the several cases, which do consistently point to networks in influential circles. That shows a failure to take such facts seriously. kairosfocus

BB, how did you manage to twist out of what I wrote the idea that such perversity is new? Nero as sinner in chief who is on record as taking up a nine year old catamite is 2000 years ago. Jupiter and Ganymede is older than that. The pattern of what happens when cultures turn their backs on God is ancient and too often repeated. You have set up yet another strawman , when we see clear evidence of corrupt networks from Franklin to Dutroux to the Epstein et al network and beyond. As for the Pizzagate case at the minimum it is related as McCarthy was to something very real and dangerous: as was already pointed out. And, it is time to root them out and lock them up. What is new is the direct implication of how it riddles elite circles and now exerts brazen lawless power. More reason to root them out and lock them up. KF kairosfocus

Go back to sleep, BB, there's a good chap. The equation is all too simple isn't it (unless you're BB, it seems!)? There is a world-wide network of powerful billionaires and assorted jet-setters, so powerful that they ARE the law... indeed, INTERNATIONAL LAW, and the government of our world. The US, independently, actually seems to be a microcosm of this, with a few other countries not far behind. It has included freemasons and cardinals. No single individual, nor indeed a group of inviduals can do anything about it. the mere effort, if perceived as threatening to the Baal-worshippers and assorted malafactors, would get them killed, and to no purpose. Even the hapless guards, officials et al share the same risk, involuntary though their connivance might have been. Much can be said about the matter, although the focus will inevitably remain on the foothills. In a word, until the Parousia, they have won, big-time, as big-time as you can get. But God is not mocked. Vemgeance is mine', saith the Lord, 'I WILL repay. Axel

Teaching blind watchmaker evolution has ruined more innocent lives than pizzagate. School shootings occurred due to the teaching of that nonsense. ET

Fires were set at Comet Pizza because of a false pedophile ring link. Pictures of the basement where children were supposedly held were posted. A basement that Comet Pizza didn’t have. Pictures of the walk in fridge where children were claimed to be held were posted. A walk in fridge that the restaurant didn’t have. Because of unfounded claims like the ones you are making, untold suffering to the owners and employees of Comet pizza were caused. And some fool even tried to justify these claims because Comet pizza used a triangle in their logo. Because, no innocent pizza restaurant would ever use the shape of a slice of pizza as a symbol. Brother Brian

KF@65, you run on as if pedophilia is new, or increasing. As horrific as it is, it has always existed. And, sadly, will always exist. Until you can show me that it is somehow more prevalent, all I can conclude is that we still have some that manipulate and abuse others for their benefit. Which is not to say that we shouldn’t follow up on every incident. But to jump to worldwide conspiracy from one example is just grossly irresponsible. How many innocent lives were ruined by the refuted Pizzagate? Aren’t you always harping on about the right of innocent reputation (or something like that)? You propagating unfounded conspiracies against the “power elite” (whoever the hell that is) is just an attempt to rob them of innocent reputation without due process. I refuse to engage in that fear mongering. Brother Brian

BB, have you yet read Suetonius, Lives of the twelve Caesars on Nero, 2000 years past? [And the end was not yet then.] Your enabling behaviour given what we can see for ourselves, speaks for itself. KF PS: Funny you mention McCarthy as though the very name discredits what it is smeared on. While he may have been making things up from his personal nightmares (and maybe he had a leak or two), the post USSR revelations and other sources show that there was in fact a serious penetration and betrayal in progress. What we are dealing with is separately known examples of pedophile and similar networks -- you obviously studiously ignored the Belgian case on a silly excuse, and the Franklin case is also there for anyone to see, with the Australia 60 minutes video also very troubling indeed. Of course, the nest that penetrated Catholicism is notorious but it is by no means unique; we now have reason to take this as only one slice of a much bigger phenomenon that is in fact distracting us from what else is going on. The silencing of a key source here is the tip of the whole rotten iceberg. The rapidly advancing moral corruption of our Rom 1 -- Nero as sinner in chief -- era seems to have some driving forces, it is not coming out of nowhere and nothing for no reason. kairosfocus

F/N: Ponder from Vanity Fair but reckon with the tainted source:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/the-mystery-of-ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-enabler On the weekends in the 1990s, [Ghislaine] Maxwell would have her Rollerblades FedExed to Epstein’s island in the Caribbean, and said she got her helicopter’s license so she could transport anyone she liked without pilots knowing who they were. Maxwell also said the island had been completely wired for video; the friend thought that she and Epstein were videotaping everyone on the island as an insurance policy, as blackmail.

(Shrug) KF kairosfocus

KF@62 THE END IS NIGH!!! Sorry, couldn't resist. There has always been corruption and power grabs and turf protection. I don't think it is any worse now than it has ever been. Kennedy had affairs with young women under the protection of the secret service. McCarthyism was decades ago. Before that were the robber barons using armed forces to break up strikes. The only thing that changes is time, not human ambition and frailties. Brother Brian

PaV, we can now take it to the bank that -- whatever remnant of decency is there -- the global elites are riddled with reprobates of utmost depravity, comparable to Nero, Paul's sinner in chief in Rom 1. No wonder we seem literally hell-bent on reliving that sort of age. God, have mercy on us. KF kairosfocus

For the curious: 1.) Who is more likely to have something to fear regarding sexual predation, Bill Clinton or Donald Trump? 2.) Who ordered Jeffrey Epstein to stay away, Clinton or Trump? 3.) Does what happened to Epstein sound familiar? Yes, it sounds like what happened to Jim McDougall of Whitewater fame who, while in prison was put into solitary confinement despite his doctors strictly saying that because of his heart condition solitary confinement would likely kill him, was put into solitary confinement and died. He never testified against Bill and Hillary Clinton. Oh, well . . . . . PaV

F/N: Cernovitch, who was a petitioner to release the testimone released on Friday, comments:

https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2019/08/12/cernovich-epstein-press-conference-footage-explanation/ Many news media outlets neglected years-long goings-on involving Epstein until attempting to link the convicted sex offender to President Donald Trump, remarked Cernovich. “Jeffrey Epstein had been engaging in behavior that is now public for a long time, and nobody in the media cared about it,” recalled Cernovich. “That’s just the facts. You can find it anywhere. Then I took interest in the case in about 2017 and tried to get these records and civil lawsuits and to find out what was happening and, moreover, who he was working with and collaborating with.” Cernovich continued, “A lot of big names ultimately came out from that: Gov. Bill Richardson — again, these are allegations — was named. A former senator was named; Prince Andrew was named. And these documents are released on Friday, and the next day, Epstein’s dead from suicide. That is one strange coincidence.” Epstein’s death will degrade public trust in institutions and government, estimated Marlow. “It just erodes credibility in everything,” Marlow determined. “Law enforcement, government, especially in the media, as if there’s any credibility left. … We’ve got the highest-profile criminal in the entire world — who should be on suicide watch — who somehow dies, and we have no answers. We have no video. We have no witnesses, and we’re already on [Vladimir Putin], we’re not on the total erosion of trust in American institutions.” Cernovich agreed, “What you said about institutional trust is so on point. How do you trust institutions to do anything after this? This is an El Chapo-level thing; this is the most infamous criminal right now in custody other than the 9/11 terrorists. … This is an El Chapo-level person, and he’s just left to do what? Use shoelaces or something? But he doesn’t even have shoelaces. Nobody’s going to trust the institutions. Nobody’s going to trust the government. No press conference. No basic accountability. No footage.”

We should be asking some pretty pointed questions. KF kairosfocus

U/D: A picture begins to emerge, suggesting suicide by use of a sheet anchored to an upper bunk, the night after room mate was removed. Apparently taken off formal suicide watch on request of his attorneys (I assume with consent of the prison psychologist), and the cell mate was removed on apparent claim of feeling intimidated.Of course, we know of the overloaded guards. There is a suggestion of emergency workers dealing with a cold body by 6:30 to 7:00 am, as in likely hours dead, not mere cardiac arrest. It needs to be explained how the "paper sheet" was replaced with one strong enough to act as ersatz rope, given the earlier incident. Similarly, how he was not under high priority guard as a valuable information asset. Likewise, there is an account of some sort of tell what you know for reduced sentence deal in progress. A lot of people have a lot of explaining to do. KF kairosfocus

We are more technologically, academically, intellectually, and financially advanced than ever before in human history. Yet, suicide, depression, divorce, anxiety, and social dislocation are at all-time highs globally. Why? This world.

Trouble was brewing in Israel. As the Philistine army assembled against them, the nation watched in fear and hopelessness, hiding among rocks and tombs. Surveying the circumstances, Saul chose not to wait for Samuel; instead, he offered an unauthorized sacrifice to the Lord. Examining Saul’s actions, [...] while trusting God is seldom simple, disobeying Him is the heart of folly. Thankfully, our hope does not rest in ourselves, but in Christ, the obedient King.

Listen to this. PaoloV

F/N: Relevance. We need to understand how we process information/news/claimed facts/claimed knowledge, given straight vs spin issues and need to be aware of the problems of crooked yardsticks, tendency to reinforce current stances, the gap between conventional wisdom and what is warranted, the chaotic trends of our civilisation and more. The above shows such factors in action. Moreover, this case just might be a tipping point. Pedophilia is one of the points where there is a consensus that something is wrong. It tends to come in networks as the Franklin and Dutroux cases etc show, networks that tend to be well connected. We have here a suspicious death in custody of a potential high value source on such networks coupled to inadequate explanations. A lot of people are going to rethink in this like, and therefore it is useful to provide straight vs spin principles. That will open minds far more broadly than on a sad incident. KF kairosfocus

U/D: A pickup from AP:

https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2019/08/11/ap-jeffrey-epsteins-guards-worked-extreme-overtime-shifts-the-night-of-his-death/ Guards on Jeffrey Epstein’s unit were working extreme overtime shifts to make up for staffing shortages the night of his apparent suicide, a person familiar with the jail’s operations tells The Associated Press. The person familiar with the Metropolitan Correctional Center’s operations told The Associated Press on Sunday that one guard in Epstein’s unit was working a fifth straight day of overtime and another guard was working mandatory overtime. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because he lacked authorization to discuss jail operations publicly. The jail staff failed to follow protocols leading up to Epstein’s death , according to a report from The New York Times , deepening the fallout from what led to the highly connected financier’s apparent suicide. Epstein should have been checked on by guards in his cell every 30 minutes, but that didn’t happen the night before his apparent suicide, a law enforcement official told the Times. The Times spoke to the official on the condition of anonymity. The Associated Press has not independently confirmed the information. Full Coverage: Jeffrey Epstein A law enforcement source also said he was alone in his cell Saturday night after his cellmate was transferred. An official with knowledge of the investigation told the Times that the Justice Department was told Epstein would have a cellmate and be monitored by a guard every 30 minutes.

With a prisoner at this level of importance? On the day the big unsealing of 2,000 pp of evidence happened? I don't buy this narrative; something is wrong. Take this as a yardstick of how much manipulation is going on, and how recklessly power brokers are playing with fire. Should we be asking pointed questions on how nuke plants and weapons as well as protection details are being managed? KF kairosfocus

Sev, normally I think incompetence explains many things indeed (though, let me add: incompetence does not exclude corruption and even conspiracies . . . where the corrupt at the actual job may well be experts in such dirty dealings and may be "protected" ). This one is just too convenient relative to what is WAS on the table as an alternative. How was Khalid Sheik Mohammed handled? Why the difference? KF kairosfocus

I lean towards the cockup rather than the conspiracy theory of history but I think the authorities need to answer why Epstein was taken off suicide watch and housed in a facility with notoriously low standards of care. Not only was he a central witness in a very high profile case but he was also someone who had lived the privileged life of the rich and powerful for many years and was facing the prospect of sending the rest of his life in jail. Those, to me, are reasons why he should have been under close watch and there needs to be a detailed accounting why this wasn't the case. Seversky

U/D: A former inmate speaks:

https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-way-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself/ There’s no way that man could have killed himself. I’ve done too much time in those units. It’s an impossibility. Between the floor and the ceiling is like eight or nine feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything. You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen. When you’re on suicide watch, they put you in this white smock, a straight jacket. They know a person cannot be injurious to themselves. The clothing they give you is a jump-in uniform. Everything is a dark brown color. Could he have done it from the bed? No sir. There’s a steel frame, but you can’t move it. There’s no light fixture. There’s no bars. They don’t give you enough in there that could successfully create an instrument of death. You want to write a letter, they give you rubber pens and maybe once a week a piece of paper. Nothing hard or made of metal. There’s up to 80 people there. They could put two in cell. It’s one or two, but I’ll never believe this guy had a cellmate. He was too blown up.

What was Mr Epstein's precise condition July 23? Saturday morning? What did in an unresponsive, fetal position mean, on the earlier occasion? What was or was not around his neck then, vs this time? Attached, to what? Given the reported claim of an attempted murder earlier, are we dealing with hanging or garotting, and with what? Paper-like flimsies will not work and attachment points are clearly a question. What does a credible coroner have to say? KF kairosfocus

BB, did you take time to hear what the girls have to say? They (apart from perhaps Ms Maxwell) do not know much, they were just the frightened, overawed girl toys. It was Mr Epstein who knew more, though other evidence out there points to existence of pedophilia networks, operating on wide scope geographically, with large numbers and for long periods. Often, including powerful but corrupt people. Those networks were what needed to be dug out of hiding and now, how conveniently, the lead is dead. He will not be able to corroborate and he will not be able to connect hidden dots. Also, the message: your silence or your life has been sent. Where, I notice that you have never taken back claims that were corrected. As for your attempt to push this into other subjects I already answered on what the defective defamation law in the US multiplied by its irresponsible lynch mob media and yet again by trying to toss cases that might fix the problem means. Short run, it is cheaper to pay to get the Barbary Pirates or invading chieftains to keep going elsewhere, long term somebody will have to deal with the shores of Tripoli or the problem goes utterly out of hand -- as recent media character lynchings clearly showed: politically covered accusers can get away with anything, so uncorroborated politically loaded accusation is worthless AND it is short term cheaper to pay off than go through a media lynching. Where also those taking a payoff AND going for a lynching simply make the situation far more potentially lethal. Where accusation = lynching, you are going over a cliff. The alternative to fixing defamation law is, this is going to end up as a horrific, chaotic, civilisationally suicidal matter of boxes labelled Federal, CCI, Remington etc. When courts, the media and elections become means of character lynching and ruin of lives, somebody is going to revert to the clan feud as solution. That will spiral into multi-sided full kinetic civil war, with a high proportion of assassinations. Lebanon on the grand scale. KF PS: With those sorts of dynamics threatening to come into play, we have a very different context for looking at what just happened. If confidence in justice and credibility is not restored soon and if the path of destabilising elections continues, circumstances can spin out of control very fast. kairosfocus

Killing Epstein does nothing about the large number of underage girls who were victimized, and who were witnesses.

What does that have to do with anything? Do you think any of those girls knew as much as Epstein? What if Epstein was NOT the leader? Do you think any of the victims knows?

The testimony that was recently made public, and contained some powerful names, was testimony of the witness, not Epstein.

Exactly. And now Epstein won't be around to validate that testimony. He definitely won't be able to add to it, either. ET

KF@48, what exactly would “they” be covering up? Killing Epstein does nothing about the large number of underage girls who were victimized, and who were witnesses. The testimony that was recently made public, and contained some powerful names, was testimony of the witness, not Epstein. As I said previously, propagating unproven conspiracy theories does no good but it has the potential to do great harm to innocent people. When I mentioned Trump paying off women to keep them quite (a proven fact) you accused me of scandal mongering. But when you make unproven accusations, it is somehow acceptable. Why the hypocrisy? Brother Brian

I find it interesting that brother brian lied and then tried to use willful ignorance as an excuse. ET

BB, again, you are setting up and knocking over a strawman. Clearly, Mr Epstein did not die of natural causes, on that the question is whether he or another was the actual perpetrator, or even that he killed himself under duress or as working out of a psychosocial programming.Where, reportedly he complained of a murder attempt a few weeks ago, likely connected to what is often reported as an earlier suicide attempt. But that is, strategically, secondary. The primary issue is that he was a known source of key information who needed to be properly secured and interrogated over the course of months to unravel a pedophilia network that was likely to involve powerful people. That such was not done and that he was taken off suicide watch after less than a week then there was lax monitoring on the day when explosive evidence was unsealed -- followed within 24 hours by his death -- constitutes a smoking gun. One that as simple fair comment points to a desired convenient outcome which duly happened. That is not an empty conspiracist speculation it is pointing to a highly suspicious pattern. You may not want to see it even as you ducked the newspaper clipping that is now above, but all of that reflects the wider pattern of the power of crooked yardsticks. KF kairosfocus

I find it interesting that when I argue that KF is propagating an unproven conspiracy theory (that Epstein was killed, not that pedophile rings exist) he responds with a link to a well known conspiracy theory website. Brother Brian

I certainly am not going to read or take seriously any article that starts out claiming that Pizzagate was fact.

The article was written before anyone knew any better. But thanks for admitting that you are willfully ignorant.

For the same reason that I would not read any article that started out claiming that the earth is only 10000 years old.

Willful ignorance it is, then. ET

Added, with selected text. kairosfocus

BB, I challenge you to watch the Australia 60 minutes video and come back to us. KF PS: You also again set up and knock over a strawman. The linked article in fact begins with a picture of a news article on Dutroux, with more than enough details. You took an en passant mention of a list to dismiss the focal issue, destructive networks. That's why I will now add that picture to the OP and it is why you have a vid watch challenge. In that context, you should also note that I am simply saying balance of credibility is shifting. kairosfocus

KF

I linked because of evidence on Dutroux in Belgium, as a disturbing sign. That is what you need to read. KF

I certainly am not going to read or take seriously any article that starts out claiming that Pizzagate was fact. For the same reason that I would not read any article that started out claiming that the earth is only 10000 years old. How can I take anything the writer says as fact, or even highly probable, when they make claims that are so easily disproven? It is just not worth my time. Brother Brian

There isn't a cure for brother brian's willful ignorance. Especially given its agenda. ET

ET, the blindness we see is symptomatic in the narrow context and the wider one. This is how a civilisation burns down. KF kairosfocus

I am quite familiar with states evidence. It is offered to underlings for testimony against the “kingpin”. By all accounts, Epstein was the kingpin. They were not going to offer leniency.

Again- It all depends on the case against him. ET

Earth to Brother Brian. You clearly have issues. I say that because of the DATE of the article that you refuse to read. The story that has since been debunked- pizzagate- was still in its infancy at the time of that article. It was not yet debunked. kairosfocus, you are wasting your precious time on Brother Brian. ET

BB, I care neither one way nor another on the specific case you name; whether specific pizzagate claims are so is irrelevant after Franklin and after clear evidence that tokens, codes etc for pedophilia networks exist. I linked because of evidence on Dutroux in Belgium, as a disturbing sign. That is what you need to read. KF kairosfocus

KF@35, I started reading the linked article but stopped after the first sentence when they referred to the long debunked Pizzagate conspiracy theory as fact. [--> That's funny, it actually leads with an image of an article exposing the Belgian network, with many sentences. The focus of the article is Dutroux et al, and it brings to the table things we need to hear. Yes, there are mentions of things that are perhaps idiosyncratic but that has nothing to do with the core. The side-stepping is therefore a sign.] Brother Brian

BB, that's where we are not so sure. If he was indeed a hub for a pedophilia network involving powerful people and possibly intelligence agencies, with questions of promotion and control by blackmail-fuelled networks, he precisely would not be the central node but now an expendable point of vulnerability. We already know that relatively minor secrets are used by whips in parliaments (consider David Cameron and that pig's mouth story) as means of control. This could be much much more serious, and simply the naming and picture [which notice I have NOT put up] of a prince of Windsor is in this context a serious sign. KF PS: The question is not whether pedophilia tied conspiracies exist or had been centred on Epstein as a hub. That issue is effectively settled, yes -- watch the vids and notice the settlements in favour of the victims, then ponder the unsealing of testimony Friday and death by Saturday in a context where several names had already been called. Add, that security measures on likely the highest profile prisoner in the system went lax on a day like that. The issue now is, why what SHOULD have been done to secure a key source was not done, especially when we see the source being plainly at risk of both murder and suicide. Indeed, he reportedly complained of a murder attempt some weeks ago. Possibly, connected to the earlier event. kairosfocus

F/N: Shocking videos added. Graphic language warning, disturbing testimony. Without endorsing, read here for a pointer on what could have been involved. This development shifts the balance on what needs to now at least be heard. KF kairosfocus

KF

BB, you clearly do not know about major investigations into La Cosa Nostra (e.g. Valachi as a first illustration) and Terrorism or big ticket spy cases (start with Kaarlo Tuomi). For one, turning state’s evidence.

I am quite familiar with states evidence. It is offered to underlings for testimony against the “kingpin”. By all accounts, Epstein was the kingpin. They were not going to offer leniency. The events leading up to his suicide will be investigated. Suggesting some sort of conspiracy at this point is just irresponsible. You are doing exactly what you claim the “lamestream media” is guilty of. Brother Brian

PS: The developments this weekend are so bad we need to at least listen to this Australia 60 minutes report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaYz_EDxWI4 At minimum, something like that may well be going on and a key source into it was just silenced. kairosfocus

BB, maybe you do not know that part of my background is regionally exposing an abusive religious sect that clearly was manipulative under the Schein model. That is why your projection above is so obviously off target. Although, I do note that atheism also tends to run in families and communities. I suggest instead that on that toxic tangent you consider here and here then let us know precisely how such abuses the unfreezing, changing, refreezing Lewin model. Otherwise, you are simply projecting a toxic slander. KF kairosfocus

BB, you clearly do not know about major investigations into La Cosa Nostra (e.g. Valachi as a first illustration) and Terrorism or big ticket spy cases (start with Kaarlo Tuomi). For one, turning state's evidence. That's how a criminal network is cleaned out. Where, in this case the connexions were evidently much more potentially explosive up to and including the house of Windsor at least as claimed . . . with a pic that the prince should have known better than to pose for. Where, we know that extensive pedophile networks exist and are seriously disturbing (start from Dutroux or Franklin and exponentiate not merely extrapolate). KF kairosfocus

Why do you think that the vast majority of people follow the religion of their parents?

Most likely because materialistic atheism is just pure nonsense. ET

Brother acartia bogart:

If a person is clearly guilty of a crime, especially ones as bad as these, the DA seldom plea bargains.

That all depends on the case against the alleged perp. Clearly you don't know anything and just post because you can ET

KF

However, there really is something to brainwashing, mind control and propagandistic manipulation. Only, that tends to happen socially and/or institutionally and/or through the media.

I agree. Why do you think that the vast majority of people follow the religion of their parents? Brother Brian

KF

BB, when one is clearly guilty on a serious crime, there is a process of negotiation that often happens in which disclosure counts as good behaviour. This traditionally happens with organised crime, and pedophilia networks (as the Belgian case shows) are complex organised crime. As you know. KF

If a person is clearly guilty of a crime, especially ones as bad as these, the DA seldom plea bargains. Brother Brian

BO'H: Yes, but that does not answer this specific case, and the lapse in even ordinary procedures within 24 hours of release of sealed testimony that fingers big names, itself speaks when we note what is said to have happened. I see rumours of malfunctioning security cams too but we should hold that until confirmed. What should have been done (and is done with high value information assets) is something like I put up in 4 above:

This was a high profile prisoner at the heart of a network of corruption (so able to implicate powerful and desperate men) and therefore a serious candidate for murder AND suicide. He should have been under 24/7 close guard from the moment of his custody. There is no doubt that the US Gov’t knew this and more than has the relevant capability to provide protection. A safe house in a remote area in the middle of a military base with at least 100 m fields of clear fire would have been my choice and as the FBI has utterly compromised itself, Secret Service close guard. Maybe Delta Force or the Seals as perimeter guard. At minimum, far better protection in the gaol. That this was instead allowed to happen on its face implies somebody with power wanted — the alternatives are that obvious — a convenient outcome.

This stinks. KF kairosfocus

kf @ 23 -

It was not immediately clear why Epstein was taken off suicide watch. At the MCC, two jail guards are required to make separate checks on all prisoners every 30 minutes, but that procedure was not followed overnight, according to the source. In addition, every 15 minutes guards are required to make another check on prisoners who are on suicide watch.

I think it's worth reading this thread on twitter about suicide watch. One important point is that it's not good for the prisoner's mental health, so keeping them on it for more than a short period of time is not considered a good idea: basically, it could increase the chances of a suicide. Bob O'H

U/D: Steven Hayward of Powerline:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/08/epstein.php How does this happen? It is hard to credit mere incompetence, though that is always my default explanation for any government screw up. But after charges were dropped against Jussie Smollette in Chicago, you begin to default instead to the explanation of corruption and conspiracy. In the true confessions department, I once had to spend 45 minutes behind bars in a county lockup. Never you mind just how this happened! (“It was all just a misunderstanding officer! Really, I swear it!”) The intake process involved removing my tie, my belt, shoes, my wristwatch, and—in what struck me as the most unnecessary step—even my wedding ring. There wasn’t even toilet paper in the cell that I could attempt to swallow if I wanted to try to choke myself or throw spitwads at another cell dweller (who were all passed out in any case). If a local county lockup can take these kind of precautions against self-harm, it beggars belief that a federal facility, guarding the most high-profile criminal in the country just now, couldn’t prevent a hanging. This stinks. Attorney General Barr is asking for an FBI investigation and and Inspector General investigation. Why an IG investigation, too? Maybe he doesn’t trust the Clinton-friendly FBI? (On the other hand, if this IG report takes as long as most of them do to finish, we’ll be dead from global warming before we see it.)

That is where we are. KF kairosfocus

U/D: Reuters adds to the picture:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-jeffrey-epstein/disgraced-u-s-financier-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself-in-jail-source-idUSKCN1V00GM Last month, Epstein was found unconscious on the floor of his jail cell with marks on his neck, and officials were investigating that incident as a possible suicide or assault. “Mr. Epstein’s death raises serious questions that must be answered,” Barr said in a statement. Even though Epstein was found unconscious last month, he had recently been taken off suicide watch, a special set of procedures for inmates in danger of taking their own life, according to the source. The financier was in a cell by himself when his body was found. It was not immediately clear why Epstein was taken off suicide watch. At the MCC, two jail guards are required to make separate checks on all prisoners every 30 minutes, but that procedure was not followed overnight, according to the source. In addition, every 15 minutes guards are required to make another check on prisoners who are on suicide watch.

At absolute minimum, Epstein should not have been in this level of facility. He should have been treated as a captured strategically critical intelligence asset. That he was not, speaks. Volumes. We are seeing into inner power circles through a narrow crack, and a horrible scent is coming out of the same crack. If this isn't someone trying to stop the crack, then there had better be a first class explanation otherwise. KF kairosfocus

"I think I will start buying stock in tinfoil manufacturers."

A real member of the tin-foil hat crowd wins her drivers license fight POLITICAL INSIDER Nov 16, 2015 A Massachusetts agency is letting a woman who belongs to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster wear a colander on her head in her driver's license photo after she cited her religious beliefs. Lowell resident Lindsay Miller said Friday that she "absolutely loves the history and the story" of Pastafarians, whose website says has existed in secrecy for hundreds of years and entered the mainstream in 2005. Miller says wearing the spaghetti strainer allows her to express her beliefs, like other religions are allowed to do. A spokesman for the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles says policy does not permit head coverings or hats on license photos, but exceptions are made for religious reasons. Lawyer Patty DeJuneas calls Pastafarianism a "secular religion that uses parody to make its point." https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/real-member-the-tin-foil-hat-crowd-wins-her-drivers-license-fight/2VTTxijNvIAP6r2y6fEgHI/ Google search - tin foil hat spaghetti colanders flying spaghetti monster https://www.google.com/search?biw=1600&bih=774&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=2ulPXevgJI6iswWx3pfQAQ&q=tin+foil+hat+spaghetti+colanders+flying+spaghetti+monster&oq=tin+foil+hat+spaghetti+colanders+flying+spaghetti+monster&gs_l=img.12...67942.68837..73132...0.0..0.90.342.4......0....1..gws-wiz-img.irQi9fombZc&ved=0ahUKEwjrtc-QyvrjAhUO0awKHTHvBRoQ4dUDCAY Man wears strainer on his head in driver's license photo - 2017 ,,,, Corbett calls himself a "pastafarian," who wears the item as part of his religious headgear. "Pastafarianism is part of the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, which says the world was created 5,000 years ago by a Flying Spaghetti Monster," Corbett said. If that sounds, well, a little hokey, it's supposed to be. Corbett admits pastafarianism is more satirical than reverent. Most states require people to take their driver's license photos free of headgear or other items, but exceptions are sometimes made for religious reasons. So that's why Corbett feels he should be able to wear the pasta strainer in his photo. However, a spokesman with the Arizona Department of Transportation told KNXV that while some exceptions are made for religious headwear, Corbett's colander getup probably shouldn't have been allowed, so the state is going to void the photo and driver's license. If that happens, Corbett says he's prepared to wage a legal battle for the right to be photographed with kitchenware on his head. https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/01/us/pasta-strainer-license-photo-trnd/index.html

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Anthopic: Yes, the militant rejection of the inconvenient design inference has interesting consequences. Vivid: Allegedly by hanging himself. Precisely what relevant protocols focus on. Where, notice, NOW we hear he complained of attempted murder. DM also has an odd isolated comment about very strange behaviour that should itself have been a big red flag if true. Above, I argue that he should not have been in a gaol but in a properly protected safe house undergoing months of intelligence grade interrogation and debriefing. Something went very conveniently wrong, and gaols are notoriously easily manipulated because of the deeply entrenched presence of corruption. News: Sasse is right: “Every single person in the Justice Department – from your Main Justice headquarters staff all the way to the night-shift jailer – knew that this man was a suicide risk, and that his dark secrets couldn’t be allowed to die with him,” I add, he was also a murder risk. Depending on the organisation, he may have been indoctrinated with a suicide protocol also where his permanent silence by suicide would have been demanded on pain of something held hostage. Something is deeply wrong here and we just might be seeing a little bit into just how corrupt the power centres of our civilisation are. You can bet your bottom dollar that the purveyors of crooked yardsticks are going to fight tooth and nail against exposure by plumb line. But this just may be a watershed moment when a critical mass wakes up as a corrupt group think dominated power elite makes that fatal step that triggers collapse of the cliff underfoot. This one is just plain too obvious and connects to too much. I believe, this may well be a tipping point, potentially for the good if we take the path of reformation. If the corrupt elites win this one, fatal disaffection is likely going to snowball. That's a revolutionary precursor, and I am by no means sure that the integrity of the ballot box still sufficiently exists. Those who cynically corrupt the ballot box force resort to a much more destructive box. One that bears labels like Winchester or Federal or Remington or CCI or the like. Which is what the US Second Amendment is in the end about. Playing heedlessly with fire . . . KF kairosfocus

PS: I should take up your allusion to tin foil hattery. The idea there is that a Faraday cage protects from EM waves, something used in high security communications. The further idea seems to be secret mind control by beaming to brains, perhaps influenced by people whose teeth somehow functioned as diode detector circuits so they began to hear radio broadcasts through bone conduction of vibrations. Of course such a hat is not good enough to shield -- let me just call out: "skin depth" -- and it is dubious that direct brain manipulation like that is happening. (Dangerous effects of microwaves of sufficient power are something else and there may be something to health damaging effects of HV power lines etc.) However, there really is something to brainwashing, mind control and propagandistic manipulation. Only, that tends to happen socially and/or institutionally and/or through the media. As is precisely something my straight vs spin grid in the OP combats. As does instruction in worldviews analysis, starting with the focus of my series on logic and first principles: getting our core thinking straightened out, especially by detecting and exposing crooked yardsticks posing as false standards for straightness, accuracy and uprightness. Where, if one has accepted such a crooked yardstick, what is actually straight and upright will never pass the test of conformity to crookedness. This result is important, as it readily explains why ruthless agit prop operators want to set up their ideologies as we then become resistant to the actual truth and its warrant. It even extends to different kinds of crookedness. That is, indoctrination in error can imprison us mentally AND lead us to resist that which would set us free: you shall know the truth and the truth will make you free. And yes, that is a part of a Dominical saying, the quote is:

Jn 8:31 So Jesus was saying to the Jews who had believed Him, “If you abide in My word [continually obeying My teachings and living in accordance with them, then] you are truly My disciples. 32 And you will know the truth [regarding salvation], and the truth will set you free [from the penalty of sin].” [--> I think AMP is to narrow, surely implicitly, and contextually, also the enslaving power of sin, including by deception including crooked yardsticks] 33 They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been enslaved to anyone. [d]What do You mean by saying, ‘You will be set free’?” 34 Jesus answered, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, everyone who practices sin habitually is a slave of sin. [--> which enslaves through addictive habits, being locked into roles and circumstances and through deception] [AMP]

After a bit of further exchange, Jesus went on:

Jn 8: 43 Why do you misunderstand what I am saying? It is because [your spiritual ears are deaf and] you are unable to hear [the truth of] My word . . . 45 But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me [and continue in your unbelief].

In short, a classic case of the crooked yardstick in action. Hence the inestimable value of naturally straight and upright self evident first principles. But some are so locked in that they will resist and reject or dismiss or even be blind to the natural straightness and uprightness of a plumb line. A truly sobering result that shows the value of logic and first principles. Which should lead us to sharply question why it is that such are more or less denigrated and are often locked out of our education system and the media. Starting with the sneer that the triple first principles of right reason that pivot on distinct identity are mere outdated Aristotelian logic. Let me refresh on how that core is taught as a basic given in the similarly despised scriptures:

1 Cor 14: 7 Yet even lifeless things, whether flute or harp, when producing a sound, if they do not produce distinct [musical] tones, how will anyone [listening] know what is piped or played? 8 And if the [war] bugle produces an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for battle?

Notice, the use of inescapable concrete examples which are familiar? Language and music pivot on distinct identity of certain sounds, forming words and tunes. The first is pivotal to abstract thought and the second is a form of code in the context of the war bugle or trumpet amidst the chaotic noise of battle. From this immediately, distinct identity leads to the laws of identity, excluded middle and non-contradiction. And no, Quantum theorists use language including Mathematics as the language of structure and quantity. (Yes, yet another crooked yardstick bites the dust.) But of course, we are so tempted to laugh at the half-mad man in a tinfoil hat with his silly conspiracy theories that we miss the importance of conspiracies and manipulation in society and history. The name for that fallacy is, lost in the laugh (a form of throwing out the baby with the bath water). It is also yet another case of red herrings led away to strawman caricatures soaked in ad hominems and rhetorically set alight to cloud, confuse, poison and polarise the atmosphere, frustrating sound discussion towards truth and prudent action. It is time for fresh thinking in this blatant case of at least culpable failure of due diligence on a case of highest importance, and more broadly. kairosfocus

Brother Brian at 14, your innocence is touching. People often wondered what he'd come up with in a plea deal. Now they must go on wondering. It's hard to imagine that no one with influence in the system had pondered the implications for people whose offences have always been protected in the past. From the BBC: -- In a letter to Attorney General William Barr, Republican Senator Ben Sasse said "heads must roll." "The Department of Justice failed, and today Jeffrey Epstein's co-conspirators think they might have just gotten one last sweetheart deal," he said. "Every single person in the Justice Department - from your Main Justice headquarters staff all the way to the night-shift jailer - knew that this man was a suicide risk, and that his dark secrets couldn't be allowed to die with him," he added. The attorney general said there were "serious questions that must be answered". Mr Barr added that he was "appalled" by the news of Epstein's death and said the justice department had opened its own investigation. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49309317 -- But that's all bluster. Heads may roll but they won't be very important ones. News

This is so weird. Last Wed I was talking to a friend and Epstein came up and I told him that he would never make it out alive from that jail, now he is dead. Does anyone know how he killed himself. There r so many questions. It was but a few weeks ago that he was taken to the hospital with severe injuries that was reported to be an attempted suicide. It’s was reported that he was put on suicide watch and taken off. Why was he taken off so quickly? Let’s assume it was based on some type of protocol. Ok but even if u take someone off watch would you not make sure that there was nothing in his cell that he could use to harm himself? The BOP’s suicide prevention protocol entails, first and foremost, human eyes on the prisoner 24 hours a day. It also requires a strict deprivation of anything — shoelaces, sheets, pillowcases — that could possibly be used to hang oneself. It also requires disabling anything that could be used to tie a noose — vents, sprinkler heads, etc. Was this basic procedure done? If not why not?. I mean it was only a few weeks removed from an alleged suicide attempt If it was done then how did he kill himself.? Finally where were the guards when all this went down? I am not the least surprised that he is dead because as I stated before I predicted that he would never get out alive Vivid vividbleau

BB, when one is clearly guilty on a serious crime, there is a process of negotiation that often happens in which disclosure counts as good behaviour. This traditionally happens with organised crime, and pedophilia networks (as the Belgian case shows) are complex organised crime. As you know. KF kairosfocus

I guess Epstein's death was the result of random chance, since intelligent design is unthinkable & undetectable. anthropic

KF

BB, you are here playing dismissive over the questionable death of a figure KNOWN to be at the heart of a network of pedophilia who should have been very carefully protected (from himself as well as others) and interrogated thoroughly until the full coherent story came out; to unravel the network.

Except that he has no legal obligation to talk to anyone. He was charged with a serious crime. You can guarantee that his lawyer would not allow any interrogation. Brother Brian

BB, you are here playing dismissive over the questionable death of a figure KNOWN to be at the heart of a network of pedophilia who should have been very carefully protected (from himself as well as others) and interrogated thoroughly until the full coherent story came out; to unravel the network. That sort of thorough interrogation would take months. Instead, what is already in the news on his incarceration reveals a blatant case of mismanagement. That is symptomatic, it goes to his death being a very convenient solution for someone. This reverses the balance of credibility, constituting a telling sign of corrupt, ruthless power with things to hide. This is no cooked up dossier or questionable accuser and media circus of uncorroborated accusations spun up into an agit prop hysteria, last time investigators were evidently told he is intelligence tied and a crazy plea bargain was struck with the claim, that was what we could get through and it would brand him. That sounded like protection, this sounds like he is now expendable. Something smells. KF PS: On paying off would-be accusers, I suggest a key consideration is the sorry state of US defamation law and the likelihood of media lynchings. My first response is, Graham/Pence rules are fully justified. Of course, that was turned away from the issue of open season for slander and needed law reform into accusations of prejudice. Next, while such is in the end short-sighted and counter productive, the Byzantine approach of paying off barbarian chieftains to keep going and bother someone else instead is understandable. That's similar to the payments to Barbary pirates and the ultimate decision to mount punitive expeditions by the fledgling US Navy and Marines. And in the end, that is going to happen: someone is going to go for the jugular (especially of the media scandal-mongers); I only hope it will be by way of a massive court case. And already there is an ill-advised judicial attempt to toss out about as good a case to fix the defamation law mess as you are going to get. The alternative, gives me nightmares on general principles and because the whole world will face serious consequences. Whether or not the isolationists like it, the USA is the leading maritime power that stabilises today's world (especially the Eurasian rimlands) as once the Royal Navy did. kairosfocus

Yeah, cuz tinfoil is still a thing... :roll: ET

I think I will start buying stock in tinfoil manufacturers. Brother Brian

U/D: Smoking gun, NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-suicide.html Last month, after being denied bail on federal sex trafficking charges, Mr. Epstein was found unconscious in his jail cell with marks on his neck. Prison officials had been investigating the incident as a possible suicide attempt. Mr. Epstein, who had been found injured on July 23, was placed on suicide watch and received a daily psychiatric evaluation, according to a person familiar with his detention. He was removed from suicide watch on July 29 and returned to the special housing unit, a segregated area of the prison with extra security, this person said. The authorities did not immediately explain why he was taken off suicide watch. The F.B.I. said it was investigating, and Attorney General William P. Barr said in a statement that a special inquiry would be opened into what happened. “I was appalled to learn that Jeffrey Epstein was found dead early this morning from an apparent suicide while in federal custody,” Mr. Barr said. “Mr. Epstein’s death raises serious questions that must be answered.”

Picking up another NYT article, this is what suicide watch is like:

Inmates on suicide watch are generally placed in a special observation cell, surrounded with windows, with a bolted down bed and no bedclothes. A correction officer — or sometimes a fellow inmate trained to be a “suicide companion” — is typically assigned to sit in an adjacent office and monitor the inmate constantly. Robert Gangi, an expert on prisons and the former executive director of the Correctional Association of New York, said guards also generally take shoelaces and belts away from people on suicide watch. “If he’s on suicide watch, it’s virtually impossible to kill yourself,” Mr. Gangi said.

This just may be tipping point. KF kairosfocus

BB, My clip at 9 from the news should sufficiently answer your attempted turnabout. It is clear that normal, obvious procedures for a case like this were not being followed, when in fact something much as I outlined should have been done. The FBI has discredited itself but its earlier approach to captured spies or Mafia witnesses and suspects would have been the low end of what should have been done. This was likely more important than that. This is like that Sunday morning escorted walk in Dallas in 1963 that had the designated chief suspect shot and mortally wounded on live TV by a Mafia-connected figure. Except, this is subtler. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark -- oops, New York -- no, the USA -- on third thought, given wider connexions, the world. KF kairosfocus

U/D, DM https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7344785/Jeffrey-Epstein-told-guards-tried-KILL-weeks-hanged-himself.html

Jeffrey Epstein told prison guards and fellow inmates that he believed someone had tried to kill him in the weeks before his death, a source has revealed to DailyMail.com . . . . The millionaire had been taken off suicide watch before taking his own life on Saturday morning - sparking outrage from Attorney General William Barr who has now vowed to look into the circumstances surrounding Epstein's death. 'Epstein's death raises serious questions that must be answered,' Barr said in a statement on Saturday afternoon. 'In addition to the FBI's investigation, I have consulted with the Inspector General who is opening an investigation into the circumstances of the death'. According to a prison officer, Epstein was being kept in a special unit with additional security, but he was not being actively surveyed by officials at the facility. The decision to remove Epstein, who was possibly the most high-profile inmate in the federal jail system, from suicide watch has both baffled and outraged former wardens and veterans of the federal prison system alike. 'For them to pull him off suicide watch is shocking,' Cameron Lindsay, a former warden, told NBC News. 'For someone this high-profile, with these allegations and this many victims, who has had a suicide attempt in the last few weeks, you can take absolutely no chances. You leave him on suicide watch until he's out of there.'

This smells. I add, and likely connects in all sorts of directions. KF kairosfocus

KF

Folks, I am gavelling gossipy scandal-mongering. KF

What is your PS@4 if notscandal-mongering? Brother Brian

Folks, I am gavelling gossipy scandal-mongering. KF kairosfocus

I’m not the one who pays women to keep quiet.

Do women even know you exist? ET

Anthropic

August 10, 2019 at 1:40 pm Wow, BB, that’s a really severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome!

I’m not the one who pays women to keep quiet. Brother Brian

BB, your comment is precisely why the above feature targetted the need for prudence and fairness in addressing the relevant news, using a 4 x 4 straight vs spin grid. Notice, my specific comments:

This comes just one day after May 3, 2016 testimony of Veronica Roberts Giuffre was unsealed. According to DM ” Giuffre alleged that she was trafficked by Epstein and Maxwell to have sex with and provide erotic massages for politicians and affluent businessmen.” (NB: For the record, she specifically denies being sexually involved with either former US President Clinton or present President Trump.) This disturbing development is all the more questionable as Mr Epstein would have been a high profile prisoner at risk of both being murdered and committing suicide. He should have been under close guard and after the earlier incident he should have been under suicide watch. This development is bound to feed all sorts of speculations about corrupt, ruthless global power elites. In that context, it is advisable to bear in mind straight vs spin principles:

The contrast with your loaded phrasing could not be clearer: There is already plenty of evidence in the public records of his parties with powerful people, including Trump. But Trump seems to be immune to any political consequences, mostly because his hedonistic behaviour was never a secret. This is of course an issue of prudence, warrant and restraint, which are directly relevant to the problem of public exchanges on contentious issues in this time. Let me put it in theological terms, to hammer home the point of how our increasing rejection of the root of sound moral government has led to a destructive cultural spin-out, which on the part of the USA is now in low kinetic fourth generation civil war with mostly agit prop street theatre operations, dishonest propagandistic media, censorship and lawfare. I clip Rom 1, which -- line by line -- explains and predicts what we are seeing:

Rom 1: 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them [in their inner consciousness], for God made it evident to them. 20 For ever since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through His workmanship [all His creation, the wonderful things that He has made], so that they [who fail to believe and trust in Him] are without excuse and without defense. [–> see here] 21 For even though [d]they knew God [as the Creator], they did not [e]honor Him as God or give thanks [for His wondrous creation]. On the contrary, they became worthless in their thinking [godless, with pointless reasonings, and silly speculations], and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory and majesty and excellence of the immortal God for [f]an image [worthless idols] in the shape of mortal man and birds and four-footed animals and reptiles . . . . 28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God or consider Him worth knowing [as their Creator], God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do things which are improper and repulsive, 29 until they were filled (permeated, saturated) with every kind of unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice and mean-spiritedness. They are gossips [spreading rumors], 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors [of new forms] of evil, disobedient and disrespectful to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful [without pity]. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree and His judgment, that those who do such things deserve death, yet they not only do them, but they even [enthusiastically] approve and tolerate others who practice them. [AMP]

KF PS, I add: This was a high profile prisoner at the heart of a network of corruption (so able to implicate powerful and desperate men) and therefore a serious candidate for murder AND suicide. He should have been under 24/7 close guard from the moment of his custody. There is no doubt that the US Gov't knew this and more than has the relevant capability to provide protection. A safe house in a remote area in the middle of a military base with at least 100 m fields of clear fire would have been my choice and as the FBI has utterly compromised itself, Secret Service close guard. Maybe Delta Force or the Seals as perimeter guard. At minimum, far better protection in the gaol. That this was instead allowed to happen on its face implies somebody with power wanted -- the alternatives are that obvious -- a convenient outcome. kairosfocus

Wow, BB, that's a really severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome! Trump wasn't the guy who took 26 trips on the Lolita Express. And he banned Epstein from Mar A Lago fifteen years ago after complaints about his conduct towards a female staffer. You must be doing a Biden, choosing "truth" over facts. anthropic

There may have been shoddy corrections practices but I don’t see any conspiracy in his suicide. There is already plenty of evidence in the public records of his parties with powerful people, including Trump. But Trump seems to be immune to any political consequences, mostly because his hedonistic behaviour was never a secret. Brother Brian

UD Newswatch: Epstein Suicide kairosfocus