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” . . . you would be in jail.

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(To make certainty on non endorsement etc clear, snip. KF)

The pivotal issue relevant to UD here, is not whether either major candidate is of any great promise ([again to be utterly clear, snip. KF]), but instead, the revelation of utter media bias and manipulation. The issue, then becomes, how do we stand against the tide of a civilisational march of folly, complete with agit prop agendas dressed up in lab coats?

How does this speak to preserving a modicum of sanity and respect for facts and logic in discussion of serious issues; often in the face of all sorts of agit prop or trollish distractions, with the future of our civilisation obviously in the stakes?

Let me add, issues like this:

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Whatever the answer, to actually keep our heads when a civilisation is patently going mad all around us, is going to be hard.

Very hard.

But, we gotta try. END

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RVB8, Sadly, predictably sneering dismissal, joined to refusal to look at the facts and concerns on the table in a substantial way. First, I point to the toll of 800+ million of our GLOBAL posterity, so no, it is not the West specifically in the face of Islam; though abortion does contribute to the suicidal demographic collapse we are seeing. I spoke rather, explicitly to the distortion of law, thought, conscience, state, education, media and worse to sustain such a dreadful policy. The central, blood-guilt driven perverting evil of our time. The strawman fails. Here is my actual thought-connexion on that, from St Paul:
Eph 4:17 Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. 18 They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart. 19 They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity. 20 But that is not the way you learned Christ!— 21 assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus, 22 to put off your old self,[f] which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, 23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, 24 and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness. [ESV]
And yes, hardened hearts can and do convert endarkenment into false light, aided and abetted by false shadow-shows posing as education, news and informed views, as is so blatantly on display just now. Sound reasoning guided by awakened -- not benumbed and besotted -- conscience, will help the willing to see the apparatus of manipulation and turn away from a Tuchmann march of folly. (Where, Ac 27 is a solid historically anchored answer to Plato's parable of the mutinous ship of state.) Where also, evolutionary- materialistic- scientism- and- associated- radical- secularism (yes, in our time a unified whole) is irretrievably self-falsifying and utterly amoral at the root, with Plato having long since warned against the consequences of evolutionary materialist-energised "the highest right is might" nihilism in The Laws, Bk X, 2350+ years ago. When it comes to Islam-ISM, it obviously does not trouble you to see Iran at nuke threshold and experimenting with ballistic missiles, or with a renewed empire stretching to the E Mediterranean littoral already. Evidently 2500 years of Persian history moves you not at all. Nor does the transfer of what, US$ 1.7 BILLION as de facto ransom money to the biggest state-sponsor of terrorism in the past generation. And, we only mention the dozens of thousands of rockets pointing at Israel, in the hands of Iranian proxies. As for wider Islam-ISM, the Muslim Brotherhood's The Project (a 100- year global subjugation programme that chillingly echoes that first century of expansion from the 630's to the 730's) obviously means naught to you. Nor have you bothered to reckon with settlement jihad or the presence of an obvious agent of influence at the elbow of what the betting markets predict will be most likely the next occupant of the most powerful political office in the world. Not to mention the decades deep, oil fuelled lines of influence otherwise. I will only mention that spend on the Dawah by the oil-rich sheiks in recent decades -- not even the jihad -- exceeds US$ 100 billions. Where, the geography and history of the Middle East, Balkans, Central Europe, Austria, and northern Africa speak for themselves. The triangle from Egypt up through Anatolia and on to the Bosporus speaks for itself as far back as the Persian invasions of Greece; much less, the lessons of 1529 and 1683. A demograhically decaying West faces unprecedented threats, with Iran at minimum at nuke threshold. Africa is unquestionably resource-rich and open for rape (again). The Islam-ISTS, unsurprisingly, have targetted it to be the first 100% Islamic continent. Echoes of Mackinder et al are obvious, the Middle Eastern part of the Rimlands of Eurasia are a pivot area and point to Europe one way, to Africa the other. Continental resources energise climbs to global power, as we have repeatedly seen since the Spanish seized Latin America 500 years ago. Of course, the resource-hungry Chinese are also in the Africa game, and are pushing South across a resource-rich sea. Multiply this by Gorbachev's cluster of concerns: nukes, terrorism, environment. Iran joins the first two, and current follies are bringing NATO into clash with Russia under Czar Putin I, with the immediate concern being an announced US threat of cyber attack on Russia, where the US itself has said that under certain circumstances such is causus belli. Russia is indeed a wild-card. Where also, mis-management of our biophysical, socio-cultural and econ-policy heritage, surroundings and stewardship responsibilities compounds that pattern. But of course, the mad march of folly must go on. It is high time that we sobered up and backed away from the crumbling edge of a cliff. KF PS: Your failure to realise that the issue I inadvertently ran into and (on learning) pulled back from was in effect to double dis-endorse thus double oppose, is instructive. (Big Brother watching, that is a personal view long since held as fair comment for cause, not the position of UD. I make this much explicit in answer to insinuation of deceit on my part.) All I can safely say is that the breakdown of quality of available leadership is palpable across our whole civilisation including its leading countries. I cannot but point to the distorting influence of the central evil of our time as a material factor in that acute loss of ability to listen to Sophia. She has warned, and again let us hear her speak:
Prov 1:20 Wisdom cries aloud in the street, in the markets she raises her voice; 21 at the head of the noisy streets she cries out; at the entrance of the city gates she speaks: 22 “How long, O simple ones, will you love being simple? How long will scoffers delight in their scoffing and fools hate knowledge? 23 If you turn at my reproof,[a] behold, I will pour out my spirit to you; I will make my words known to you. 24 Because I have called and you refused to listen, have stretched out my hand and no one has heeded, 25 because you have ignored all my counsel and would have none of my reproof, 26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when terror strikes you, 27 when terror strikes you like a storm and your calamity comes like a whirlwind, when distress and anguish come upon you. 28 Then they will call upon me, but I will not answer; they will seek me diligently but will not find me. 29 Because they hated knowledge and did not choose the fear of the Lord, 30 would have none of my counsel and despised all my reproof, 31 therefore they shall eat the fruit of their way, and have their fill of their own devices. 32 For the simple are killed by their turning away, and the complacency of fools destroys them; 33 but whoever listens to me will dwell secure and will be at ease, without dread of disaster.” [ESV]
In the end, it is as simple and as predictable as that. PPS: I add overnight: Who was it that led the two German grabs for the E Europe pivot area and the Eurasian heartland, in 1914- and in 1941-?kairosfocus
October 15, 2016
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I am always impressed by the boundless energy of your posts. How you are able to sweep world history, current events,Stalin (where's Hitler?), evolution, and philosophy, into an ideological grab bag of fear and intolerance. This narrative is currently destroying Trump; you might want to dial down the fanatacism, it's spooky. That goes for BA as well. There is an editors note prefacing your contribution here, explaining that as an organisation with tax breaks linked to their impartiality regarding political discourse, they are not allowed to show preferrance for one candidate or the other. Unfortunately this is what it is, a bald faced lie. This organization, and you, are Trump officianados, are you not? Remember, lying is a sin! When I read yur posts on the immanent collapse of western culture, via the invasion of Islam, and increased abortion, I wonder if you actually believe this. I do agree with you however, the world is indeed doomed. Not by the failing, flayling West however, but by our evolved sense of entitlement, our greed, our callous disregard for human life, and our callous disregard for the misery we inflict on unwanted children; abortion as a means of sustaining humanity. Yes TWSYF, I am indeed a small cat! I would not die for my flag, country, or religion (I have none). But I would die (I hope I have the courage) die for an idea, such as those written in your constitution, everything else, god, religion, faith etc is small besides. Finally, let me help you with Plato, you seem to have an overly confused grasp, of a very simple metaphor. "Education and knowledge set you free, when these are retarded or forbidden, uninformed misery ensues."rvb8
October 15, 2016
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Pindi, rvb8 and ilk are [SNIP: inappropriate language, kindly restrain yourself. KF].Truth Will Set You Free
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Pindi, RVB8 and ilk: If we are indulging in mindless, superstitious, bound to fail empty apocalypticism because we don't like the way things are going, surely there will be substantial evidence and argument to back that up. I am in effect going deeper on the geostrategic inter-connectedness of two of Mr Gorbachev's points: nukes + terrorism, i/l/o current trends. (And, blend in was it US$1.7 BILLIONS just flown into Iran and paid in raw cash to the Mullahs who have been the main sponsors of terrorism as well as seeking nukes in order to be a fit vanguard for the re-emerging 12th imam, the Mahdi Shia-style.) I can broaden Mr Gorbachev's third point of priority concern, as when I worked with sustainable development in a centre for such, we analysed the environment in terms of three interacting domains: biophysical/ natural, sociocultural and econ-policy. Since, I have found this highly fruitful for looking at policy-level problematiques (thickets of interacting, mutually reinforcing problems that ride a business as usual [BAU] road to ruin; cf. OP). My assessment is all of these are at work, and portend a very dangerous future. If I am wrong, especially geostrategically, surely there will be good substantial reasons for why the road ahead will be smooth sailing. So, let us know, surely an IDiot like me MUST be an utter ignoramus and dimwit. Or else, demonstrably deluded. That is what you have implied, now I am challenging you to substantiate. Nasty talking point rhetorical games are not good enough, substantiate or else stand exposed as supercilious and sneering enablers of a BAU road to ruin in defiance of many sobering warning signs. KFkairosfocus
October 15, 2016
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PS: Alfred and the Book of Dooms: https://uncommondescent.com/courts/going-to-the-roots-of-lawfulness-and-justice-by-way-of-king-alfreds-book-of-dooms/kairosfocus
October 14, 2016
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TWSYF, my big concern is why the current US presidential campaign seems to have by and large skirted these sorts of concerns. I am sure that in the proverbial smoke filled back rooms of the think tanks (including relevant back-offices of the Pentagon and war colleges) these and linked themes are central and are being wargamed at policy-military synthesis levels. I am sure that if such is not being discussed in a climate where the major media are in more or less obvious collusion, it is because it is seen that this discussion leads hoi polloi where powerful interests and backers do not wish we the sheeple (all unaware and compliant) to go -- shades of Ac 27. But at the same time, these issues are patently and soberingly pivotal. It is time for us as concerned citizens of our civilisation to take matters into our own minds, hearts and voices. Meanwhile, that nasty reek in the background is coming from 800+ MILLION murdered unborn infants, the worst holocaust in history and the central evil of our time. Such massive blood guilt HAS to be tainting everything, and it can only be sustained under false colours of law through the backing of huge money and influence that is hidden behind closed doors. Judging by the ruthless use of scandals in recent decades, I don't doubt that a lot of blackmail and intimidation are involved. If you think the now 11 year old potty mouth locker room boasting tape was not held against the eventuality of "needing" it, you are exceedingly naive about ruthless, corrupt elites: never promote whom you cannot control, demote or destroy. Something is truly rotten in the state of our civilisation tracing directly to the apostasy of the elites who would not have the author of the Sermon on the Mount to rule over them. Alfred the Great of the West Saxons knew better when he and his witans turned to Moyse and to Jesus and his apostles to lay the foundation of law in his Book of Dooms, the historic root of the Common Law system. And yes, they literally started from the ten commandments, one of which is, thou shalt do no murder, and another, that thou shalt bear no false witness. KFkairosfocus
October 14, 2016
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kairosfocus @ 50: Even if they do respond it will only be more atheistic rubbish. But hey, we all enjoy a good laugh. Come back boys...learn something.Truth Will Set You Free
October 14, 2016
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RVB8 & Pindi (et al), I am still waiting for a substantial comment on the geostrategic concerns and historical background I have pointed to. Hint, C20 history of major conflicts did pivot on the issues and zones Mackinder et al foresaw, underscoring how the rise of rail and telecomms opened up resource spaces in ways that gave opportunities to continental powers (Germany and Russia) to challenge the maritime alliances. Note, how Stalin moved key factories and centres East during the German invasion of 1941, and the German Ural Bomber projects. Note the geostrategic moves he made 1943 - 49 and how that led to the NATO-Warsaw Pact conflicts, then how that spread out into rimlands and choke points. I am putting on the table that Africa is a continental resource base that is open for raping, and the rimlands belt in the Middle East is turning into a hot zone, a pivot area with its own rising powers. With the Nile corridor a key overland access route. I am projecting the ME pivot area and Africa as major loci for geostrategic conflict in this century; as in the four horsemen are already riding and are likely to spiral out of control: conquest, war, famine and deadly spreading disease. I am also concerned about implications of settlement jihad in a context of evident civilisational failure of the West starting with demographic collapse, worldview disintegration and clutching the asps of Frankfurt School derived, Alinsky influenced cultural marxism and radically secularist, inherently amoral and self-falsifying evolutionary materialistic scientism to our collective breasts. I am looking at how rapidly the Arab spring turned Islam-IST winter, with the check in Egypt due to a military coup. If you disagree, kindly let us know why, on realistic and substantial grounds -- your ilk have had months to follow up on the sketch in the OP for one. Sneering dismissals are not good enough by a long shot. KFkairosfocus
October 14, 2016
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kairosfocus: Well done, as usual. School is in session for the poor fool. He is listening and learning...even if only subconsciously. That is a good thing.Truth Will Set You Free
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PPS: Plato's parable of the ship of state: https://uncommondescent.com/atheism/platos-socrates-on-navigating-the-ship-of-state/kairosfocus
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PS: Parable of the cave: http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/republic.8.vii.htmlkairosfocus
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RVB8, Really! The Parable of the Cave is 2350+ years old, and though evolutionary materialism by Plato's testimony in The Laws Bk X, was established as an avant garde fad in his time, Darwin lay 2000+ years in the future. Next, there are not three prisoners in the cave, it speaks about a community, about denizens. It is first a parable that is tied to metaphysical themes of enlightenment and the theory of the forms; with the philosopher- teacher- mentor as liberator. The Ship brings to bear how said philosopher faces challenges in equipping the young and bright to be true followers of wisdom to the point where there are serious challenges with those who wish to vie for political power, even if they have picked up a smattering of learning. Only those who have been touched to the quick are really worthy of trust. All of this is by way of warning on the dangers of various polities, with a particular eye to what democracies can become and how they tend to fail. Which means BTW that the framers of modern democratic self government, carefully put in checks and balances to stabilise, and reckoned on the significance of the transforming impact of the gospel and print in a community. But also the parable works on other levels, tied to the issue of social organisation and the problem of dominant narratives confused for reality. There are after all, shadow-shows put on for the benefit of the denizens, and the first step of enlightenment for the escapee is to be made aware of how one was misled. Then, by hard ascent the one set free is brought to experience and in experiencing confirm as real, the world that his fellows are locked out of. In returning in pity, however, he learns of some not so happy implications of indoctrination, envy, selfish ambition and toxic politics. Still dazzled by going back into the cave he is made to participate in a contest of shadow shows, and of course does poorly. Those who are judging by darkness they take for light then declare that he was taken up and made into an idiot, so the next one to try to set one free, they will pounce on and kill. Echoes of the fate of Socrates are there of course. This theme of enlightenment (thus of epistemology, the critical study of knowledge and its possibility etc) has haunted the West's thought ever since. Jesus answered decisively, and -- he grew up 5 miles from one of the Dekapolis Gk states in C1 Palestine (which is where carpenter/builder jobs were to be had) -- I think very much as a conscious reply, in his most famous sermon:
Matt 6:19 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust[e] destroy and where thieves break in and steal, 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. 22 “The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light, 23 but if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness! 24 “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.
In this context, the challenge comes to you to beware of despising as inferiors those who think differently than you do, especially those of us who have a modicum of education and experience. In particular, I have found over the years that it is a common resort to exert double standards of warrant regarding what is accepted a knowledge, so tat one is inconsistently hyperskeptical when one does not wish to be persuaded that a particular claim is perhaps better warranted than one is wont to accept. Elevatorgate is a trivial example in point. When it comes to truth and knowledge, truth is that which corresponds accurately to reality. Thus, if one instead makes a false template the yardstick of what one will believe or dismiss, then by swallowing falsity and using this to judge the truth, one will necessarily dismiss the truth. That's why Sophia warned long ago: there is a way that seems right to a man, but the end of that way are the ways of death. Deception, and its fruit. Hence, the dangers of marches of folly such as our civilisation is currently hell bent on. Conquest can be by manipulation and trickery (as Hitler forever proved in the run-up to the full force of WW2). War follows, and with it economic dislocation, famine, and deadly diseases leading to death. Indeed WW2 killed oh 25+ million Russians, most of them by famine and the diseases that ravage starving bodies. The issue then is, knowledge, warranted credibly true belief. The onward issue is to learn how to think straight, guided by first principles of right reason and onward results. Where for instance, science is often not capable of even moral certainty, a level of warrant where one is utterly irresponsible not to treat results as true. When it comes to media spin games, one is ill advised to simply assume one has cornered the market on the truth, or that media outlets one despises are to be sneered at. Instead, as I pointed out in the other thread -- interesting how you try to pick here to raise challenges answered there -- we need to assess news, views, education, policy claims, arguments etc via a framework of analysis. This allows us to build up a picture of articles that are sound and sources that are credible. And, a serious exercise like that will soon reveal that it is not the right wing as such which is to be viewed with wariness, but the general media culture. Further to this, that post takes up a smoking gun admission, decodes it and applies it to the big trends of our generation. We are in deep trouble. (This Townhall article passes the test better than most major news and views coverage I have seen: http://townhall.com/columnists/suzannefields/2016/10/14/the-presidential-candidates-we-deserve-n2231915 Also notice, its account of Trump's October surprise reply lawsuit against the NYT: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2016/10/13/trump-reminds-voters-about-fraud-nyt-story-from-earlier-this-year-n2231825 . . . in a climate where the US law is so bad (having been modified repeatedly from the post modernist activist judge judicial bench) that public figures effectively have next to no protection against libels. Thirdly -- I am using the principle that three witnesses are better than two -- this commentary on possible . . . legally, extremely unsafe . . . use of executive orders to make end runs around constitutional provisions raises very serious questions about having a lawful temperament in governance: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/10/13/former-democratic-senator-clinton-might-issue-executive-order-on-guns-n2231727 VDH, who chooses to publish a regular column at the same Townhall, has a sobering comparison to the "dark" middle ages here: http://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2016/10/13/medieval-america-n2231213 ) As for evolutionary materialistic scientism dressed up in the fashionable lab coat, this is self-referentially incoherent and self-falsifying from the outset (as well as utterly amoral): http://iose-gen.blogspot.com/2010/06/origin-of-mind-man-morals-etc.html#slf_ref It is time for you and others to get out of the evolutionary materialist, scientistic secular humanist cave of shadow shows confused for reality. It is time for our civilisation to face the facts about the worst holocaust in history; our war against innocent posterity in the womb. When we gather enough courage to face that, we will see how far we have warped our civilisation, and the march of folly that has ensued. We stand, heedlessly, on a crumbling and dangerously unstable cliff's edge. It is time to try to get to safer ground. KFkairosfocus
October 14, 2016
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Kairos, I know and love 'The Myth of the Cave'. I think you believe that the three manacled prisoners in the allegory are metaphors for, atheists, darwinbots, and materialists? Funnily enough from our point of view, the three prisoners are, the gullible, the misinformed, and the willfully ignorant. Yes, as an atheist I plug my ears to ideas that go against my 'religion'. Although I do visit Townhall (not recommended), Evolutionnews, Answersingenesis, and here, and Fox(also not recommended) regularly. Nothing new yet. Except of course for explosive rebuttal upon new scientific discoveries erroding your POV.rvb8
October 13, 2016
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RVB8 and Pindi: I suggest you address the concens here in the other thread before trying to namecall as lunatics and [implied, ignorant, stupid, insane or wicked Creationist] catastrophists: https://uncommondescent.com/media/wikileaks-hits-the-jackpot-an-unaware-and-compliant-citizenry/#comment-619145 As in, oh those lunatics Mackinder, Spykman and co. Not to mention, oh Guttmacher. Then there is that ill-informed senile ignoramus, Mikhail Gorbachev. For deep background, try Plato's Parable of the Cave, from the perspective of looking at the apparatus of putting on the deceptive shadow shows confused for reality by those subjected to manipulation, then bring on his parable of the ship of state noticing how the navigator is treated by the mutineers. Then, read Ac 27 and see a live case of moneybags and technico manipulation and what it led to -- as in, march of folly. While you are at it, ponder for us on the history of the near collapse of Rome in the 200's and the onward play-out to 476. Tell us, did the Barbarians who overthrew the Empire fight their way in all the way from the Rhine, bleeding all the way? Why, or why not. Explain also in a nutshell what happened over the next 1,000 years or so. Why. Do tell us, and let us know why it is that we have been warned by so many that the lessons of sound history were bought with blood and tears so those who refuse to learn and heed them doom themselves to pay that ruinous price over and over again? Put up, or stand exposed as irresponsible Internet trolls parroting dismissive and denigratory talking points rather than dealing with sobering geostrategic and civilisational issues on the table. In a context where we have a from the horse's mouth admission of sobering degrees of manipulation of the "unaware and compliant" public. KFkairosfocus
October 13, 2016
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rvb8, yes you are detecting that, but nothing new there. There have been these kind of raving lunatics desperately believing in, predicting, and hoping for the end of the world, ever since humans invented speech I would imagine. Certainly it is prevalent during the period of recorded history.Pindi
October 13, 2016
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Catastrophism, in the thelogical sense, not the geological sense seems to underpin more and more posts here. Is it me or is there a 'lip-smackingly' gleeful hope for a quick rapture, and now? Do I detect a Tertullian desire for a front row seet at 'judgement', when I and my fellow atheists are brought to accounts? If so, grow up!rvb8
October 13, 2016
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Pindi, ask the Mullahs about when they are ready to roll as vanguard for the 12th Imam emerging from his cave or well, duly aided by the was it US$400 mn cash ransom just paid. KFkairosfocus
October 13, 2016
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KF, precisely what do you mean by "soon"? This year? Next year? I'm just wondering at what point you will confront God and tell him he owes Sodom an apology.Pindi
October 13, 2016
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What a dire death cult you lot believe in.
You mean The League of Militant Atheists?Vy
October 13, 2016
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Harry, Per Rom 1, judgement is already here, consequences of our willful lawlessness. Pindi, With 800+ MILLION unborn children slaughtered in the worst holocaust in history, if God does not move to active judgement of our civilisation soon, he owes Sodom an apology. Four horsemen are about to ride, bigtime. KFkairosfocus
October 13, 2016
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Harry: "I think the judgment of God is coming upon contemporary civilization very soon. When it does may we be found proclaiming the truth and defending and caring for His Son in the very least of His brethren." I wonder how many people have expressed this over the last 2,000 years? But no, I'm sure you're the one who will finally get it right..... What a dire death cult you lot believe in.Pindi
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William J Murray @34, The choices couldn't be more clear. Even the godless should be able understand the following: -- Humanity precedes the state and brings it into existence. -- Therefore the state exists for humanity, not humanity for the state. -- Therefore it is humanity that bestows and withdraws the state's right to exist, not the state that bestows and withdraws humanity's right to exist. -- Therefore the state simply has no authority to "legalize" the murder of innocent humanity. Civilization is a rejection of savagery where the biggest, meanest guy takes the lives of others when that serves his purposes. This is accomplished by humanity forming a state that is more powerful than the biggest meanest guy, the very purpose of which is to ensure and protect the intrinsic rights to life, liberty and legitimately obtained property of all humanity. One candidate's national policy positions are in favor of the continuation of the contemporary "legalization" of savagery. The other candidate is working with those who intend to restore civilization.harry
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For the first time since 1976, when I cast my vote for Jimmy Carter, I will not be voting for president. Here is the reason why: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hfirdv34n7A/TGChGLVUsWI/AAAAAAAAFm4/nhBmS6nHXLs/s1600/SOMEBODY%27S+LION+(8).png BTW my freedom to vote is also a freedom NOT to vote and that is what I am choosing to do this year.john_a_designer
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As far as I'm concerned, anyone who is voting for anything other than national policy positions as outlined in each candidate's own materials is part of the political problem. I don't care what kind of personality either candidate has. If you read and support a candidate's national policy positions, then you should vote for that candidate. Period. The current viable candidates here in the USA could not have more clear or more contradictory policy positions, which should render most everyone's decision relatively easy to make.William J Murray
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kairosfocus, God bless you! Keep up the good work. Thanks for your persistent, consistent explanations of the reasonableness of theism and Christianity, and the irrationality of the alternatives. I think the judgment of God is coming upon contemporary civilization very soon. When it does may we be found proclaiming the truth and defending and caring for His Son in the very least of His brethren.harry
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Harry, if you believe anything Trump says, you are extremely naive.
Er, nope. Naive would be supporting the pretentious hypocrite Hillary Clinton.
This is the guy you are endorsing?
Trump is obviously vulgar and exceedingly dumb but he's far better than that Obama puppet (or was she the puppeteer?) who has the potential to enact laws that make the immoral laws endorsed by the demented Obama look meager. They're both horrible individuals but at least Trump doesn't pretend to be something he's not.Vy
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Harry, I have to say much the same. This thread is not about endorsing or opposing any given pol or party. The issue is our civilisation and the agendas and trends that have brought us to a sad pass. The onward challenge is, the way out of a very ticklish situation -- we tickled a fire-breathing dragon's tail and he is now waking up grumpy. How can we back away from this without being burned to a crisp? That is going to be tough, and no one pol or party can save us from consequences of stubborn folly: https://uncommondescent.com/media/wikileaks-hits-the-jackpot-an-unaware-and-compliant-citizenry/#comment-619074 KFkairosfocus
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Pindi & AK, this thread is not about either endorsing or opposing any particular pol. As you will see in the OP, I amended it to make that doubly clear. I will however suggest that it is utterly unwise to allow a media veto on those the agit prop operators commonly termed journalists or editors do not like if at some point in the past 30 years they could have been taped with a locker-room potty mouth "one that got away" embellished tale. Where also, the propagandistic manipulation of a silly boast about how star power gives advantages in the foolish seduction game tracing to the 1960's playboy philosophy (as though HIV-AIDS in the 80's did not put an end to that suicidal party) -- since apologised for (one hopes he has learned some sharp lessons about humility, ethics and the dangerous power of the tongue for good or evil) -- into implied moral equivalency with rape, exposure and intimidation to silence "bimbos" is telling. Multiplied by calculated distraction from shocking national security violations that will cost our civilisation dear. (I point here, here and here for some initial documentation of concerns and here for perspective; these views and perspectives are personal and are given to balance what you have said, they are not endorsed by UD.) The reality is, the American public faces a choice of which of evils is lesser, is less likely to spin ruinously out of control. Itself, a reflection of a generation's march of determined, ruinous folly. Where, because of the power of the USA in the world, that march of folly has brought our civilisation to the edge of a crumbling cliff. It is an open question as to whether we can get back to safe ground, and it looks like the odds are against. I suggest you would be better advised to ponder the geostrategic perils we face as a planet at this point (just scroll up to the OP and look at the infographic), and sober up. I openly confess extreme pessimism, our stubborn folly has carried us to a dangerous brink that is liable to cost us dear for generations to come. Sophia, in Proverbs 1, is shaking her head (cf the other thread, here: https://uncommondescent.com/media/wikileaks-hits-the-jackpot-an-unaware-and-compliant-citizenry/#comment-619074 )KFkairosfocus
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No real Christian can vote for Trump. He ticks off each of the 7 deadly sins, with relish.AhmedKiaan
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Harry, if you believe anything Trump says, you are extremely naive. "Grab em by the {snip, family friendly discussion please, KF]". This is the guy you are endorsing?Pindi
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