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Scott Adams, American cartoonist and commenter on events with a particular view to persuasion and narrative dominance seems to agree. Transcript of key comments:

I think I’ve been telling you for some time the obvious way that these protests/riots/looting episodes were going to go. There was only one way that these would go under the assumption that the police would not get more aggressive and that the local government would not let the federal government come in and take care of the violent stuff. There was going to be no adult supervision and that was intentional. The local leadership decided to not have any adult leadership during the protests/riots/looting. So it was obvious that the locals would end up arming themselves because what else would happen? Could you think of any other outcome? It was obvious this would be the outcome. And this is just the beginning, not just a one-off. It’s pretty obvious that more militia or more citizens are going to bring heavier arms…and they’re going to start showing up…. There’s probably no way it’s going to stop.

The worst case scenario is if the protesters [–> further?] arm themselves…ultimately this is the way it had to go. I feel bad for anyone who gets hurt and I don’t encourage any violence but as a prediction this was the way it had to go. It will end, but with more of this.

Sobering, and familiar.

Regulars at UD will know that I have long been very concerned about a kinetic escalation/spiral in an ongoing 4th generation culture revolution style, Red Guards driven civil war in the USA, geostrategic centre of gravity of our civilisation. Events over the past few days in Wisconsin (U/D: additional, here also see background here with here, here & here, contrasting what is not seen here) underscore that concern, to the level of juggernaut– out- of- control. (The first just linked seems to be at least a good point of reference for thought on a very regrettable but all too predictable event; the second gives background on the metaphor.)

Let me hark back for a moment to my 2016 global geostrategic framework shared here at UD (after public presentations here in the Caribbean):

That is deep backdrop, as we ponder where our civilisation is in the case of the lynch-pin state, the USA.

What happens to the US over the next six to eighteen months is fraught with global consequences that the general populace is at best dimly aware of; but, bet your last cent that movers and shakers behind the scenes have these considerations (from whatever perspective) in mind.

Now, too, for twenty years, I have often used a representation of sustainability-oriented strategic decision-making tracing to/adapted from the Bariloche Foundation of Argentina, set in the context of Environment Scanning and SWOT analysis:

(This is of course precisely the decision theory model which has led me to point to a serious ethics-epistemology breakdown in managing the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic and how treatments are evaluated.)

Further to such, there is a more stringent version, in effect the challenge of the juggernaut i/l/o Machiavelli’s hectic fever model of political disorders:

Warning-signs, there have been in abundance, complete with many blood-dripping lessons of history. However, in a deeply polarised polity, building critical mass . . . “consensus” is implausible and half-measure compromises will predictably be built-to-fail . . . in good time to avert going over the cliff is hard, hard, hard. Such, is the nature of problematiques.

Perhaps, the problem can be recast instructively in terms of the dilemmas implicit in the Overton Window:

What happens when the acceptable limit imposed by dominant factions and their narratives locks out good solutions? What would shift the window?

The answer comes back, pain; pain and shattering from going over the cliff.

Or, if we are lucky, enough see the signs in time to act as a critical mass towards sound change before the cliff-edge collapses underfoot.

History, however, is not on the side of prudent foresight, and the history of radical revolutions has been particularly bloody and predictably futile. Never mind the pipe dreams sold by tenured profs and promoted by pundits and community organisers. As just a warning, let us compare a fools-cap image from the 1966 Mao-backed Red Guards:

. . . and a notorious recent incident in Washington DC:

. . . not forgetting the tragedy of the man who refused to salute in 1930’s in a Germany ruled by the National Socialist German Worker’s Party (and yes, contrary to the dominant narrative, they meant the “Socialist” part and the “Worker’s” part):

We need to pause and think again, I am somehow unable to take it for granted that we cannot turn back, even at the brink. Maybe, I am being irrationally hopeful for reprieve; but, let us at least ponder a case from an often overlooked classical report:

Ac 19:23 . . . [c. AD 57] there arose no little disturbance [in Ephesus] concerning the Way.

24 For a man named Demetrius, a silversmith, who made silver shrines of Artemis, brought no little business to the craftsmen.

25 These he gathered together, with the workmen in similar trades, and said [–> behind the scenes manipulative plotting], “Men, you know that from this business we have our wealth. 26 And you see and hear that not only in Ephesus but in almost all of Asia this Paul has persuaded and turned away a great many people, saying that gods made with hands are not gods. 27 And there is danger not only that this trade of ours may come into disrepute but also that the temple of the great goddess Artemis may be counted as nothing, and that she may even be deposed from her magnificence, she whom all Asia and the world worship.”

28 When they heard this they were enraged and were crying out, “Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!”

29 So the city was filled with the confusion, and they rushed together into the theater, dragging with them Gaius and Aristarchus, Macedonians who were Paul’s companions in travel. 30 But when Paul wished to go in among the crowd, the disciples would not let him. 31 And even some of the Asiarchs,5 who were friends of his [–> they had charge of the very Temple in question; obviously, Paul’s lectures in the Hall of Tyrannos and his reaching out to people had won him respect and even friendship], sent to him and were urging him not to venture into the theater.

32 Now [in the unlawful assembly] some cried out one thing, some another, for the assembly was in confusion, and most of them did not know why they had come together. 33 Some of the crowd prompted Alexander, whom the Jews had put forward. And Alexander, motioning with his hand, wanted to make a defense to the crowd.

34 But when they recognized that he was a Jew, for about two hours they all cried out with one voice, “Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!”

35 And when the town clerk had quieted the crowd ] –> doubtless, sent by the Asiarchs], he said, “Men of Ephesus, who is there who does not know that the city of the Ephesians is temple keeper of the great Artemis, and of the sacred stone that fell from the sky?6 [–> apparently a meteoritic object turned into an idol] 36 Seeing then that these things cannot be denied, you ought to be quiet and do nothing rash. 37 For you have brought these men here who are neither sacrilegious nor blasphemers of our goddess. 38 If therefore Demetrius and the craftsmen with him have a complaint against anyone, the courts are open, and there are proconsuls. Let them bring charges against one another. 39 But if you seek anything further,7 it shall be settled in the regular assembly. 40 For we really are in danger of being charged with rioting today, since there is no cause that we can give to justify this commotion.” [–> in effect he hinted of the regiment doubtless camped not too far away; cf. the Nika riots under Justinian]

41 And when he had said these things, he dismissed the assembly. [ESV]

How easily, the democratic impulse deteriorates into the raging, out of control, manipulated, riotous, destructive mob!

And if there was no excuse for rioting under a lawful oligarchy (what the C1 Roman Empire had become, after failure of the Republic through envy, selfish ambition, assassination and civil wars leading to the rise of Octavian as Augustus), how much more so, is it inexcusable in any reasonably functional modern constitutional democracy?

I give a bit of context:

U/D: context:

U/d b for clarity, nb Nil

Further U/D, Sep 5, context of the seven mountains model for mapping society/culture/ civilisation and its main pillars of influence:

Governance is visibly failing, some think the mob will be appeased (it cannot), we are at cliff’s edge, with alarming cracks.

Can’t we stop before we go over the cliff?

Please . . . ? END

F/N, Sept 4: FTR, here is a clip of the actual transcript in the context of an incident where Mr Trump is routinely and falsely said to have endorsed Neo-Nazis etc as fine people:

It is obvious that this is precisely the sort of condemnation of neo-nazis that it is suggested Mr Trump has failed to give. That such tainting misrepresentation continues to be routinely promoted speaks volumes on disregard for truth and fairness. Notice, too, how he anticipated the progression from attacking statues of confederate leaders to American founders, with the obvious extension that cancel culture has no limits.

F/N2: Anatomy of a Red Guards Brigadista hit team/swarm in action, Portland USA:

(I add, Sep 6, while the above photo is already demonstrative of a coordinated murderous ambush, there is a video analysis here, UD can only embed YT. This event likely shows that both major front groups involved in the Red Guards brigadista insurgency are joined at the hip. For instance, the shooter had a BLM fist tattoo on his neck and declared himself 100% Antifa. His later suicide by shootout likely shows commitment to not be taken alive, i.e. he had knowledge of key information he judged worth guarding at the cost of his life. Modern interrogation techniques will credibly eventually “break” anyone.)

Let’s clip:

Portland Police are seeking help to identify a possible accomplice pictured here in the Portland Patriot Prayer member shooting. Here is a picture of the moments before the shooting. Notice the shooter is beginning to move as he draws his weapon, even though he does not have a sightline to the targets yet, and his position behind that cover would seem to be far enough back he could not otherwise have known his targets were hitting that position at exactly that moment. How did he know his targets were about to enter the killzone right then, and he needed to draw and begin moving? Even more interesting, in the criminal complaint on page 17, it points out he was initially walking with a woman in a white T-shirt, coming from one direction to that corner, and both were staring down the street at the targets who were a ways away, coming from a completely different place, as if the shooter and his partner had been told over the air to go there, and the targets they were about to shoot were coming from that direction, and they were identifying them. Once they got a bead on the targets, the woman stopped at the corner and loitered as he continued on and took cover in that alcove. Taking a corner gave her sightlines up and down all streets there, which would be second nature to the trained surveillance operative. And yet not having a sightline to the shooter, how would she communicate with him?  They were linked by radio. Look up behind the targets in the picture above, and you will see a lone guy who looks like the guy they are looking for. Notice his hand is covering his mouth just as the shooter begins to move, and the shooter is not holding a walkie talkie to receive any broadcast. It looks an awful like the guy behind the targets had taken surveillance command of the targets, he was trained enough that casually covering his lower face as he whispered into his chest was second nature, and he was radioing to the shooter who had an earpiece to receive, and probably a chest mic to transmit, triggering his movement at that moment, coordinating it to the targets. Also interesting, this new character may be surveillance aware enough he turned away from the surveillance camera as he came into view of it.

It takes a lot of time, recruitment effort, ideological motivation/desensitisation to morality, tactical training by experienced experts and rehearsal to run a complex hit like this. (For sure, this is no hothead running up to someone they hate and shooting in a rage, the surveillance cam shot demonstrates an orchestrated hit of the type used by Intel agency wet work teams or sophisticated terrorists. “mostly peaceful” and “protest” are off the table.)

That has to have a significant, years-long logistics trail, with face to face and communications networking, yielding traffic patterns.

So, this one case may be a break into what is now clearly a terrorist network.

Take it as a yardstick indicating the extent and depth of what is going on, a full-orbed 4th generation war insurgency backed by years of organisation and serious logistics, with carefully laid plans and organisation.

F/N3: And yes, “NAZI” lives don’t matter:

Clear intent to slander, brand and rob of right to life. Instead, we must recognise that life is the first right, without which there are no other rights. Therefore, we start with mutual respect and go on from there.

F/N4: U-Haul a Riot, Sept 2020

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Vivid, sobering. KFkairosfocus
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Women sacrifice their unborn to their false god of choice, Margaret Sanger.
It's even worse. Men and women sacrifice their children to Aphrodite . :( We have returned to paganism.Truthfreedom
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Seversky If we are our brains, then: Seversky = brain Therefore, when visiting a brain doctor due to you experiencing pain, you could say; Hello brain that makes itself pass as a doctor (because doctors are brains too), I am brain in pain (instead of hello doctor my brain hurts). You a/ mats never get bored in your life. Like childs, with all your fantasies running wild.Truthfreedom
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Truthfreedom @ 304 Women sacrifice their unborn to their false god of choice, Margaret Sanger.BobRyan
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Seversky It looks like you are evading me. :) You say: thou shall not derive an "ought" from an "is". Whence should I derive my "oughts" then? Kindly, write it down. 1. __________ Was " darwinian theory " inside Mr. Darwin's head/ skull ? Yes/ no Kindly, write it down. 1. __________ That "supervenience" thing looks to me more like "magic". "Everything is physical except those things that are not physical but are created by the physical" (which violates causality/ logic). Do you believe in magic? Yes/ no Kindly, write it down. 1. __________ It seems like your materialist worldview is full of gaps. Like the fossil record. Truthfreedom
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Bob Ryan Marxists are very apt at rebranding everything. Child sacrifice for example rebranded as 'abortion'.Truthfreedom
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Critical Race Theory is nothing more than eugenics rebranded.BobRyan
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Mac Let me help you out here. This from a letter I sent to a few of my friends awhile back. “Critical theory is the theory of hegemonic culture which is defined as anyone who is white, male, heterosexual, cis gender, native born American, Christian , and other various qualifiers ( the top of the intersectionality ladder) OR identifies with that group regardless of their color. From this theory flows the idea of intersectionality ( those at the top of the ladder oppress those below) and group racist guilt. Critical Theory is more concerned with NARRATIVE rather than TRUTH, the facts don’t matter. The Critical Theory I am addressing is of The Frankfurt School of Marxist critics which includes György Lukács, Max Horkheimer, Theodor Adorno and Herbert Marcuse. Marcuse for instance held to among other things that tolerance of views are repressive and he can be called the father of intolerance and the cancel culture.I am being specific here and giving names for a reason, so that you can do your own fact checking.These scholars left Germany in the 30s and after a stop in Switzerland landed in America and taught at Columbia. The big picture agenda of the Frankfurt School was to marry Marxian economic theory to Freudian psychoanalytic theory to explain the rise of fascism and put forth the reasons that the communist revolution was not taking place in Western democracies as Marx had predicted. Marx was a historical determinist. The Frankfurt School looked at systems of power in terms of how they exploited and oppressed the working class and more broadly the everyday citizen. One of the goals of the Frankfurt School was to address CULTURAL power. They decided that the reason the communist revolution had not yet been successful in the West is that something in Western culture must be preventing it. The goal of the Frankfurt School was to identify what those issues were and DISMANTLE them. You might stop for a moment and ask yourselves what is the basis of Western culture? Western culture is based on The Enlightenment and Judaeo Christian values and principles, the ultimate TARGET of Critical theory is the Judeo culture and It’s target also is aimed at classic liberalism. Sources: Wikipedia The Frankfurt School New Discourse Critical Theory The Gospel Coalition The Incompatibility of Critical Theory and Christianity Https//plato.stanford.edu./entries/critical-theory/ Felluga, Dino Franco. Critical Theory:The Key Concepts (Routledge Key Guides). Taylor and Francis Kindle Edition Neil Shenvi Intro to Critical Theory The Gospel Coalition “Important Articles on Critical Theory” Voddie Bauchan You Tube “Cultural Marxism” I would like to now pivot to addressing Critical Race Theory, Critical Social Justice Theory, and White Complicity Theory. “Beware lest anyone take you captive through philosophy and empty deceit according to human tradition according to the elemental spirits of the world not to Christ” Col 2:8 Critical Race Theory: Critical Race Theory( CRT) is a sub theory of Critical Theory that questions the very foundation of the liberal order, including equality theory. For instance if you pay attention to words you will notice that proponents of CRT substitute the word “equity” for “equality” two entirely different meanings. CRT also questions legal reasoning, Enlightenment rationalism, and neutral principles of constitutional law. CRT argues that the axis of America social life revolves around race and systemic power, racism permeates everything and must be uncovered using critical methods. Critical race theory explicitly endorses historical revisionism such as the 1619 project or eliminating historical monuments. CRT is openly and aggressively anti liberal. Liberal does not mean left wing. A liberal society aims to make sure that everybody is treated equally and works toward a society where barriers are removed that prevents that from happening. CRT views this as nothing more than the existing power structure maintaining its dominance (hegemony). CRT theorists reject color blindness as myths and illusions that allow white people to perpetrate their inherited privilege. CRT rejects Martin Luther King’s position that we should judge people on the content of their character not the color of their skin. CRT does not advocate color blindness but rather diversity narratives ,but not diversity of opinion , equity but not equality. In practice CRT holds that racism is subconscious in many cases. Sources: Https//plato.stanford.edu.entries/critical-theory/ New Discourses Critical Race theory Cummings, Andre Douglas Pond “ A furious kinship: Critical Race Theory and the Hip Hop Nation Delgado, Richard and S,Jean “Critical Race Theory: The Cutting Edge Third Edition Payne, Hilrado. “The Role of of Critical Race Theory in Higher Education” Applebaum Thompson, Sherwood. “Encyclopedia of Diversity and Social Justice DiAngelo and Sensoy “White Fragility” Voddie Bauchan You Tube “Cultural Marxism” Critical Social Justice Theory: “You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means” Inigo Montoya “Princess Bride” From new discourse “Social Justice is the ultimate “Trojan Horse”term, where it seems to mean one thing , a good thing, as most people would understand it, which is a more fair and equal society but it actually means something else in Critical Social Justice Theory. That something else is very specific, and most people, if they knew what they were encountering ,would be unlikely to accept. The idea advertised by the phrase “social justice” doesn’t match the ideology and worldview bearing the seemingly identical name. This is because the phrase “social justice”, here intentionally left in the lowercase, means something that most people in society can get behind, more fairness, equality, egalitarianism, less bigotry ,discrimination, disenfranchisement and the like. There are very few people today who would say they don’t seek social justice. Any disagreements are about how to achieve it and what it would look like.This is because most people in the West are broadly liberal, in the philosophical and true meaning of the word, not how it is used in American politics. On the other hand , “Social Justice”, here intentionally capitalized , means something more specific, it means “Critical Social Justice”. That is, in fact, an ideology that very aggressively pursues the social, cultural ,institutional, and political installation and enforcement of a very specific and radical understanding of social justice as derived from various critical theories. As such they do not necessarily seek to achieve “social justice” in the broad sense, or in the sense that many would assume of the term. Instead they seek to empower and enforce their own particular worldview that revolves around one narrow and authoritative interpretation which is hegemony, result of the processes by which one dominant culture, which is currently the Judaeo Christian, maintains its dominant position. Let me put it this way. If your a classic liberal and embrace Enlightenment principles or if you embrace Judaeo Christian values the mob is coming after you. Critical Social Justice theory also does not advocate for equality which they see as an oppressive ideology. Instead it advocates for equity which I have mentioned means something different ie equal outcomes. Equal outcomes are what they mean by diversity as opposed to meritocracy. Nor does it tolerate diversity of opinion. The enforcement of the meta narrative uses what is termed “canceling “or “cancel culture” to enforce conformity of thought. Last week alone we have seen the canceling of movies, TV shows and approximately seven editors of major media organizations canceled.The editor of the New York Times had to step down for allowing an op ed piece that went against the predominant meta narrative. A college football coach had to apologize for wearing the wrong shirt. American history is being cancelled, monuments are being torn down. One apology is never enough. An this is just the tip of the iceberg and is escalating. You cannot replace a culture without erasing its history. Critical Social Justice Theory demands acknowledgement of white complicity as a first step, a necessary albeit not a sufficient step , as a requirement of challenging systemic racial oppression. This complicity arises from the nature of “white privilege”, which white people benefit from whether they want to or not. In other words based on ones color, without any evidence, one is accused of something based on the color of their skin, the opposite of MLKs position. I can think of nothing more racist than targeting an entire ethnic group with a collective crime regardless of the innocence or guilt of its individuals. Just last week Webster changed the classic historical definition to one more suitable to Critical Social Justice Theory which in a nut shell is that if you are white or “think white” you are a priori a racist because you are white or think white. For instance “thinking white”,whatever that is, creates an open season on any African American and opens them up to the most vile epithets, slurs and slanders because they are identifying with the current hegemonic culture. They are often portrayed as not being black or not being black enough. Thus you have racism without a racist. In short for the Critical Social Justice advocates the whole system is rotten to the core, it is “systemic” and we must dismantle the “systemic” dominant culture, which is the Judaeo Christian and classic liberal enlightenment culture.This is why a certain dominate player and strong advocate of Critical Race and Social Justice theory states on their web page statement of beliefs “we are dedicated to transgender rights and the disruption of the classic Western nuclear family”. From what book is the Western nuclear family derived ? Critical Social Justice Theory as distinguished from true social justice, wants cultural revolution not reform. Sources: Sensory, Ozlem, and Robert DiAngelo “Is everyone really equal?” An Introduction to Key Concepts in Social Justice Education, first edition. Teachers College Press:New York, p.xviii Adams, M.,et al (2016). Teaching For Diversity and Social Justice. New York: Routledge. P.1 Bell, L., (2013) Theoretical foundations. In M. Adams, W.J.Blumenfeld, C. Castaneda,,H.W Hackman, M.L,,Peters, and X. Zuniga. (EDS), Readings for diversity and social justice. New York: Routledge Lemisko, Lynn “Unpacking Presuppositions for Social Justice” “Un packing and Repacking Generative Concepts in Social Justice Studies” Todd A Horton and Lynn Lemisko Ed’s Sense Publishers , 2015 Black Lives Matters Official Website “What we believe” New Discourses Critical Social Justice Theory The Gospel Coalition “ Social Justice, Critical Theory ,and Christianity : Are They Compatible Voddie Bauchan You Tube “Cultural Marxism” Vividvividbleau
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Mac “And then there is Trump’s recent edict to eliminate “ critical race theory“ from government training, referring to it as indoctrination. “ Which it is. “Now, let’s be honest here, he is talking about getting rid of “diversity in the work place” training, which used to be called “sensitivity training”.” Do you know what diversity means in Critical Race and Social Justice theory? Do you know anything about Critical Race and Social,Justice theory? If you do then you are not being honest here ,if you don’t your talking about something you know nothing about. If it’s the latter you need to get”educated” Vividvividbleau
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Mac:
Trump keeps accusing people like Kaepernick and other sports figures who take a knee during the national anthem of being unpatriotic.
Right. Taking a knee does nothing but divide. Make a stand. The pro athletes have the platform to be heard. Too bad they haven't got a clue.
Those who truly believe that this is the case must accept that the discrimination suffered by blacks is supported by the constitution.
That doesn't follow.ET
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I wrote that “I do not believe Christian nationalists are all neo-Nazis”. And I don’t. However, for me, the difference between a “patriot” and a “nationalist” is that the nationalist believes “my country, right or wrong” whereas the patriot does not bring shame on his country by doing or condoning wrong just because it was done by that country.
You make a very good point. Trump keeps accusing people like Kaepernick and other sports figures who take a knee during the national anthem of being unpatriotic. Those who truly believe that this is the case must accept that the discrimination suffered by blacks is supported by the constitution. And then there is Trump’s recent edict to eliminate “ critical race theory“ from government training, referring to it as indoctrination. Now, let’s be honest here, he is talking about getting rid of “diversity in the work place” training, which used to be called “sensitivity training”. This sort of training will not eliminate all unacceptable behaviour in the work place. But what it is very good at is making us examined our own actions and behaviours from an informed perspective rather than an ignorant one.Mac McTavish
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JAD, sad. And telling. Note FN2 to OP. KF PS: I note this looks to be at least coming on two months ago.kairosfocus
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Seversky, enough time has passed, I clip from 247: >>When I watch Trump’s rallies I see uncomfortable echoes of the Nazi rallies. The way he whips up anger amongst the crowd and then directs it towards the press.>> 1: Projection, in large part. Backed up by refusing to ask, who struck the first blow in the fight. 2: If the US had a better balance in defamation law, much of the studied, persistent slander in its media would be stayed. 3: As it is, a good slice of the media have been a conduit of bigotry, defamation, irresponsible accusation and just plain lying, which has damaged many, many people's right to innocent reputation. So, a measure of anger in return is actually to be expected. 4: To fix the problem, further slander by suggestion that Mr Trump et al are nazis is not going to help the matter. Instead it is time that adults in the room sponsored a truth and reconciliation commission and set about coming to terms with the harm done. 5: The case of Mr Sandmann is only a harbinger to what will happen if the present course of habitual defamation continues. >>He hasn’t done so yet but is there any doubt that, if he asked them, those crowds would happily burn books or newspapers or anything else he pointed them towards. >> 6: You cannot have it two ways, if you wish the freedom to protect burning the flag that has draped many a coffin as freedom of expression, or tearing down monuments and worse; burning newspapers or books as a mark of protest -- with due explanation -- is just as legitimately free expression. 7: Of course, others looking on have a perfect right to draw their own conclusions on what is being burned, why. As I do, for cause, from the burning of Bibles and churches. >>Trump is trying to foment outrage and manipulate to his own political advantage>> 8: Projection again, you really need to ponder the case of how the Poles attacked German radio stations, provoking German Counter-attacks in 1939. That is, we have a classic case on the sort of character who sets up he hit back first rhetoric. 9: instead of fomenting causeless anger, it seems to me that a narcissistic political, celebrity, pundit and media elite have scorned and smeared many, many people for a long time and have imagined that those inferior deplorables and fundies should just suck it up in silence as their reputations, livelihoods and even lives are needlessly wrecked. 10: That brings us back to, time for a truth and reconciliation commission. >>you will understand how outrageous – and I mean outrageous – I find your attempts to discredit and delegitimize the BLM protests – in face of the massive evidence of persistent racism in US society which has animated them – by stereotyping them as “Red Guard” puppets of some ruthless and powerful Marxist conspiracy.>> 11: Your pretended outrage in the face of clear evidence fazes me not one whit. BLM is from its founders and platform a culture form, marxist 4GW insurgency front. It is using operational patterns that clearly come out of the Red Guards books, and it is using riots, looting, arson, intimidation, mayhem and verging on worse. So, for cause I hold that instead of being primarily a legitimate civil rights protest, it is a Marxist front operation that ruthlessly exploits the sufferings and pain of my people for ends that are frankly anticivilisational. 12: As a capital case in point, defunding/abolishing lawful policing and courts etc is a Rubicon-crossing step. Yes, there is plenty of room to discuss and carry forward reasonable reform, but that is not what is being put on the table. 13: Antifa is similar in telling ways and the hit-squad operation that has just been documented is a revelation on its true nature, cf F/N2 to OP. 14: Those who have been enabling and hoping to ride on the chaos are also open to serious challenge. >>I regard racism as a human problem.>> 15: That is precisely what BLM and by extension Antifa et al do not accept, as may be discerned from the now exposed tenets of that pseudoscience known as critical race theory . . . by its very name, yet another arm of the cultural marxist anticivilisational programme. I again cite Enc Brit as handy reference:
Critical race theory (CRT), the view that the law and legal institutions are inherently racist and that race itself, instead of being biologically grounded and natural, is a socially constructed concept that is used by white people to further their economic and political interests at the expense of people of colour. According to critical race theory (CRT), racial inequality emerges from the social, economic, and legal differences that white people create between “races” to maintain elite white interests in labour markets and politics, giving rise to poverty and criminality in many minority communities. The CRT movement officially organized itself in 1989, at the first annual Workshop on Critical Race Theory, though its intellectual origins go back much further, to the 1960s and ’70s. The launch of the CRT movement marked its separation from critical legal studies (CLS), an offshoot of critical theory that examined how the law and legal institutions function to perpetuate oppression and exploitation.
16: This is the intellectual muscle behind the push to abolish lawful policing. >> for me, the difference between a “patriot” and a “nationalist” is that the nationalist believes “my country, right or wrong” whereas the patriot does not bring shame on his country by doing or condoning wrong just because it was done by that country.>> 17: Do you hear the many mean-spirited projections and false, prejudiced insinuations behind your words, once we bear in mind the exposure of that pseudoscience, critical race theory? Indeed, critical race theory is itself patently racist. >>the [Christian] faith will be much truer to its core principles when it speaks out in forthright condemnation of a man who is both immoral and amoral by its standards rather than have some of its leading figures fawn over him and blaspheme about him being favored or even chosen by their God>> 18: The pagan king, Cyrus, is spoken of in Isa 45 as The Lord's anointed, the scriptures teach that promotion comes from God, and Rom 13 (written with pervert in chief Nero on the throne and as part of a book that exposed his perversities as sinner in chief) call us to responsible respect and obedience to lawful authority. In so doing, it neither endorses Cyrus' machinations and paganism nor Nero's perversities and murders from the age of 14. Nor, does it imply that such will escape solemn accountability before the One to whom all authority belongs. 18: With that balance in mind, I can freely note that significantly many Christians and Christian leaders have publicly and privately spoken to Mr Trump and others over the years regarding their sins, while maintaining due respect. Falsely accusing him of nazism and would be tyranny does not count. (Also, you were here when I had to pull back some remarks that were in a grey area for an organisation such as this, i.e. I by no means give or have given the current NY contractor in chief a blanket endorsement.) 19: Doubtless, some Christians and Christian leaders have gone overboard in supporting him, which they should correct. 20: That said, the extremism of what we are seeing has turned this most unlikely figure into a champion of civilisation in the face of outright misanthropes, anticivilisational zealots and people caught up in a patently destructive march of folly. Those caught up in a march over the cliff need to stop and at least try to turn back, though I fear it may now be too late, the cliff's edge is clearly cracking underfoot even as the juggernaut accelerates further out of control. Utterly needlessly. >> Put very simply, if the need arose, would you be prepared to fight for Trump and all that he stands for or against him?>> 21: I have never ever given blind allegiance to any politician. I will stand to preserve civilisation in the face of misanthropy, which is exactly why I am doing so now. >>There is a Trump party ruled by members his family and those trusted as loyal minions and stooges and the rest who make up a personality cult around him and believe that whatever Trump says goes. It is an abject betrayal of everything the Founding Fathers sought to create.>> 22: Projection, kindly look soberly in the mirror. >>Trump is a dictator-in-waiting. >> 23: Accusation based on demonisation rather than any significant sound evidence. >>His base would almost certainly support his ambition to be President-for-life. Would you?>> 24: Further projection of nazism made up out of whole cloth, utter folly given that the base you so slander have long looked at successors once terms are up under the US Constitution. 25: I am not nor do I desire to be a US citizen. You know or should readily know that I am a convinced supporter of constitutional democratic self government as one of the greatest achievements of civilisation. >>the two founders are self-proclaimed Marxists but I doubt that the great majority of the protesters are. >> 26: The framework, fabric and animating pseudoscience are marxist and are exploiting the sufferings of my people to advance a civilisation-wrecking agenda. I know all too well who would pay the harshest price of both "success" and failure, my people. 27: That you choose to continue shutting your eyes to the clear signature of Red Guard brigades at work is your problem, not mine. Duly noted. 28: Also duly noted, you double down on blatantly false accusation despite protest and substantiated correction:
[Seversky, 83:] Much like “Make America Great Again” fronting [–> notice, accusation of hiding a core agenda] for an unsavory collection [–> notice utterly imbalanced characterisation by one who doubtless would agree with “mostly peaceful protests”] of KKK, neo-Nazis, right-wing militias [–> = Nazi SA storm troopers] and Christian nationalists. [–> = Christofascist Nazis]. –> Let me add the rest of his comment to Vivid: >>And we have a pretty good idea of the only people that lot and their idol care about. The only thing missing from the MAGA hat is the black swastika on a white ground.>>
Duly noted. KFkairosfocus
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I just learned about this incident a few minutes ago. Jessica Whitaker is the example of someone who was silenced permanently for just daring to say that “All lives matter.” “Jessica Whitaker was murdered in Indianapolis, Indiana after a standoff between two armed groups, one a group wearing Black Lives Matter shirts, and the other defending her. They were defending her after she told the Black Lives Matter group that "All Lives Matter". The two groups apparently worked out the disagreement, only to have Jessica shot and killed after walking away. The investigation continues to verify these events, or find the Truth.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hSj9yRDMJs Why didn’t I find any coverage of this incident from the MSM? Why does it take a group of young blacks who don’t agree with BLM to report this news? And why isn’t the MSM media telling us anything about blacks who don’t support BLM? Where is the bias and bigotry again?john_a_designer
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Materialism (or how to pose a defeater to your own lunatic, un-scientific and enemy of knowledge worldview).Truthfreedom
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I wasn’t talking about the organization, Black Lives Matter (cf. 290). I was talking about the idea that black lives matter. I can’t rationally disagree with the rhetorical claim that black lives matter. I don’t see how anyone living in a just, open and free democratic type society could disagree with that. That is because in that kind of society( in which I happen to live) all lives matter. If they don’t then you don’t really have a just, open and free democratic society. As the U.S. Declaration of Independence states unambiguously: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” So it is self-evidently true that “black lives matter because all lives matter.” However. That is not what the organization Black Lives Matter is all about. According to a very prescient study done back is 2016,
Black Lives Matter presents an alternative view of the American story, rooted in Marxism and one that thrives on encouraging division. Many have criticized its avoidance of facts about bias in policing — facts that would directly counter the Black Lives Matter narrative. Nevertheless, it has captured the nation’s attention through its use of social-media and cameras but also by recruiting the young Americans who will ? ll the streets with their presence and engage the public’s interest with their fervor. If Black Lives Matter succeeds, it will have reengineered the minds of America to view our system, our history, and our future, through the lens of division and hate. In its dishonest weakening of public trust in the police of?cer, the representative of law and order and equality before the law, Black Lives Matter weakens the very foundations of our country. To counter this advance, marketers of freedom must understand why they are losing mindshare to the left’s Black Lives Matter ideology if they are to effectively counter their messages and rebuild demand for our principles.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/black-lives-matters-a-thing-of-the-left-anchored-on-a-cop-hate-strategy/ In other words, Black Lives Matter is using some very deceptive rhetoric to undermine a society and culture founded on the principle that all lives matter. Already there have been people shouted down, cancelled and permanently silenced by BLM supporters for simply standing up and saying “all lives matter.” See the following. It’s very commentary from someplace down under (not Hell, Australia) about what is going on in the U.S. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSwVt1tZces Whoever this guy is, he is spot on.john_a_designer
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287 DaveS
Could you elaborate? I don’t know what post #285 is supposed to convey.
Well, after being shown philosophical proof of the irretrievable epistemical failure of materialism, the materialist, being the intellectual dishonest creature he is, tries to salvage his dead materialist beast with what I call "the map" gimmick (meat-robot Seversky and his beloved Novella are two excellent examples). What is "the map" gimmick? - Well, once he understands that the combination materialism + science leads to collapse into subjective idealism, (we are forever trapped inside our skulls without any possibility of escaping it), he uses the mind he negates he has and tries the following tactic:
One naturalist defense is the distinction made between map and territory, between belief and reality – a distinction proposed by Alfred Korzybski, who insists that “the map is not the territory” in a book that claims to introduce “non-Aristotelian systems.”1  Unfortunately for naturalism, the “map,” in this case, is its own invention, since the causal chain from external object to occipital lobe is a product of scientific materialism. Naturalisms' Epistemological Nightmare
At this point, the naturalist can only be considered either a pitiable fool or a liar that knows he has been exposed but relies on societal approval to keep the boat afloat some more time.Truthfreedom
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JAD, I would not even give them their phrasing. Life is the first right, without which there are no rights. Instantly, that points to the ongoing holocaust of our living posterity in the womb, the worst in human history. If an interlocutor will not recognise this, further discussion is futile, s/he is playing at logic with a swivel games. Thinking straight is the first step to sorting out this mess and I refuse to play at rhetoric games like the gostak distims the doshes. KFkairosfocus
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False. Two reasons- 1) Black Lives Matter because black people get pulled over by the police for driving while black. Laws had to be made to mandate that black people be treated equally. 2) All lives don't matter.ET
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True or false? Black lives matter because all lives matter.john_a_designer
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F/N: Observations of on the ground operations in "protests." Put this with swarm-lynch mob tactics, hit teams and more. Ask yourself what went into what we see, for how long and why some folks are spending money and social capital like that right now. KFkairosfocus
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It is where all this mess caused by the stupid materialist worldview begins. We have a man named Dr. Egnor. He lives in the past, and one day he decides to open a human skull to see what is inside. FIRST TIME EVER. VERY IMPORTANT. Can you imagine it?Truthfreedom
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Could you elaborate? I don't know what post #285 is supposed to convey.daveS
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I dislike false worldviews, of course. Once you get the argument, you will understand. :) We are not "bags of chemicals" (that is ONLY a part of us).Truthfreedom
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DaveS, sorry, but you do not even begin to grasp what all this is about. Imagine the FIRST person who opened a human skull. This person opened a human skull and saw a brain inside. Fine?Truthfreedom
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TF, I'm starting to get the idea that you don't like materialism. :PdaveS
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Materialism's epistemological blunder is the final nail in its coffin. Philosophical materialism is a belief , NOT A FACT BACKED UP BY SCIENCE. IF materialism were true, logic dictates that science (double access to the external world so we can cross-check the information being feed to us by OUR brains (=/= than we BEING our brains) would be impossible. The fact that we KNOW that science exists and offers results INVALIDATES the materialist thesis.Truthfreedom
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TF, Is there scientific evidence demonstrating that apprehending sphericity (at the human level) requires something beyond the brain? I would guess that workers in computer vision have researched the problem of detecting spheres/balls. It would be useful to have software that could track a tennis ball or basketball, for example.daveS
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Materialism, being a false, corrupt philosophy, hinders human progress. Human consciousness is not WHOLLY material. The brain is part of the process, BUT not the process. Materialism shall be discarded. A false worldview is leading us astray.Truthfreedom
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Republicans have too much class to riot and loot. We are the business owners. So, yes, my comment was fully tongue-in-cheek. Should have added a smiley face to it.ET
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