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Scott Adams, American cartoonist and commenter on events with a particular view to persuasion and narrative dominance seems to agree. Transcript of key comments:

I think I’ve been telling you for some time the obvious way that these protests/riots/looting episodes were going to go. There was only one way that these would go under the assumption that the police would not get more aggressive and that the local government would not let the federal government come in and take care of the violent stuff. There was going to be no adult supervision and that was intentional. The local leadership decided to not have any adult leadership during the protests/riots/looting. So it was obvious that the locals would end up arming themselves because what else would happen? Could you think of any other outcome? It was obvious this would be the outcome. And this is just the beginning, not just a one-off. It’s pretty obvious that more militia or more citizens are going to bring heavier arms…and they’re going to start showing up…. There’s probably no way it’s going to stop.

The worst case scenario is if the protesters [–> further?] arm themselves…ultimately this is the way it had to go. I feel bad for anyone who gets hurt and I don’t encourage any violence but as a prediction this was the way it had to go. It will end, but with more of this.

Sobering, and familiar.

Regulars at UD will know that I have long been very concerned about a kinetic escalation/spiral in an ongoing 4th generation culture revolution style, Red Guards driven civil war in the USA, geostrategic centre of gravity of our civilisation. Events over the past few days in Wisconsin (U/D: additional, here also see background here with here, here & here, contrasting what is not seen here) underscore that concern, to the level of juggernaut– out- of- control. (The first just linked seems to be at least a good point of reference for thought on a very regrettable but all too predictable event; the second gives background on the metaphor.)

Let me hark back for a moment to my 2016 global geostrategic framework shared here at UD (after public presentations here in the Caribbean):

That is deep backdrop, as we ponder where our civilisation is in the case of the lynch-pin state, the USA.

What happens to the US over the next six to eighteen months is fraught with global consequences that the general populace is at best dimly aware of; but, bet your last cent that movers and shakers behind the scenes have these considerations (from whatever perspective) in mind.

Now, too, for twenty years, I have often used a representation of sustainability-oriented strategic decision-making tracing to/adapted from the Bariloche Foundation of Argentina, set in the context of Environment Scanning and SWOT analysis:

(This is of course precisely the decision theory model which has led me to point to a serious ethics-epistemology breakdown in managing the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic and how treatments are evaluated.)

Further to such, there is a more stringent version, in effect the challenge of the juggernaut i/l/o Machiavelli’s hectic fever model of political disorders:

Warning-signs, there have been in abundance, complete with many blood-dripping lessons of history. However, in a deeply polarised polity, building critical mass . . . “consensus” is implausible and half-measure compromises will predictably be built-to-fail . . . in good time to avert going over the cliff is hard, hard, hard. Such, is the nature of problematiques.

Perhaps, the problem can be recast instructively in terms of the dilemmas implicit in the Overton Window:

What happens when the acceptable limit imposed by dominant factions and their narratives locks out good solutions? What would shift the window?

The answer comes back, pain; pain and shattering from going over the cliff.

Or, if we are lucky, enough see the signs in time to act as a critical mass towards sound change before the cliff-edge collapses underfoot.

History, however, is not on the side of prudent foresight, and the history of radical revolutions has been particularly bloody and predictably futile. Never mind the pipe dreams sold by tenured profs and promoted by pundits and community organisers. As just a warning, let us compare a fools-cap image from the 1966 Mao-backed Red Guards:

. . . and a notorious recent incident in Washington DC:

. . . not forgetting the tragedy of the man who refused to salute in 1930’s in a Germany ruled by the National Socialist German Worker’s Party (and yes, contrary to the dominant narrative, they meant the “Socialist” part and the “Worker’s” part):

We need to pause and think again, I am somehow unable to take it for granted that we cannot turn back, even at the brink. Maybe, I am being irrationally hopeful for reprieve; but, let us at least ponder a case from an often overlooked classical report:

Ac 19:23 . . . [c. AD 57] there arose no little disturbance [in Ephesus] concerning the Way.

24 For a man named Demetrius, a silversmith, who made silver shrines of Artemis, brought no little business to the craftsmen.

25 These he gathered together, with the workmen in similar trades, and said [–> behind the scenes manipulative plotting], “Men, you know that from this business we have our wealth. 26 And you see and hear that not only in Ephesus but in almost all of Asia this Paul has persuaded and turned away a great many people, saying that gods made with hands are not gods. 27 And there is danger not only that this trade of ours may come into disrepute but also that the temple of the great goddess Artemis may be counted as nothing, and that she may even be deposed from her magnificence, she whom all Asia and the world worship.”

28 When they heard this they were enraged and were crying out, “Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!”

29 So the city was filled with the confusion, and they rushed together into the theater, dragging with them Gaius and Aristarchus, Macedonians who were Paul’s companions in travel. 30 But when Paul wished to go in among the crowd, the disciples would not let him. 31 And even some of the Asiarchs,5 who were friends of his [–> they had charge of the very Temple in question; obviously, Paul’s lectures in the Hall of Tyrannos and his reaching out to people had won him respect and even friendship], sent to him and were urging him not to venture into the theater.

32 Now [in the unlawful assembly] some cried out one thing, some another, for the assembly was in confusion, and most of them did not know why they had come together. 33 Some of the crowd prompted Alexander, whom the Jews had put forward. And Alexander, motioning with his hand, wanted to make a defense to the crowd.

34 But when they recognized that he was a Jew, for about two hours they all cried out with one voice, “Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!”

35 And when the town clerk had quieted the crowd ] –> doubtless, sent by the Asiarchs], he said, “Men of Ephesus, who is there who does not know that the city of the Ephesians is temple keeper of the great Artemis, and of the sacred stone that fell from the sky?6 [–> apparently a meteoritic object turned into an idol] 36 Seeing then that these things cannot be denied, you ought to be quiet and do nothing rash. 37 For you have brought these men here who are neither sacrilegious nor blasphemers of our goddess. 38 If therefore Demetrius and the craftsmen with him have a complaint against anyone, the courts are open, and there are proconsuls. Let them bring charges against one another. 39 But if you seek anything further,7 it shall be settled in the regular assembly. 40 For we really are in danger of being charged with rioting today, since there is no cause that we can give to justify this commotion.” [–> in effect he hinted of the regiment doubtless camped not too far away; cf. the Nika riots under Justinian]

41 And when he had said these things, he dismissed the assembly. [ESV]

How easily, the democratic impulse deteriorates into the raging, out of control, manipulated, riotous, destructive mob!

And if there was no excuse for rioting under a lawful oligarchy (what the C1 Roman Empire had become, after failure of the Republic through envy, selfish ambition, assassination and civil wars leading to the rise of Octavian as Augustus), how much more so, is it inexcusable in any reasonably functional modern constitutional democracy?

I give a bit of context:

U/D: context:

U/d b for clarity, nb Nil

Further U/D, Sep 5, context of the seven mountains model for mapping society/culture/ civilisation and its main pillars of influence:

Governance is visibly failing, some think the mob will be appeased (it cannot), we are at cliff’s edge, with alarming cracks.

Can’t we stop before we go over the cliff?

Please . . . ? END

F/N, Sept 4: FTR, here is a clip of the actual transcript in the context of an incident where Mr Trump is routinely and falsely said to have endorsed Neo-Nazis etc as fine people:

It is obvious that this is precisely the sort of condemnation of neo-nazis that it is suggested Mr Trump has failed to give. That such tainting misrepresentation continues to be routinely promoted speaks volumes on disregard for truth and fairness. Notice, too, how he anticipated the progression from attacking statues of confederate leaders to American founders, with the obvious extension that cancel culture has no limits.

F/N2: Anatomy of a Red Guards Brigadista hit team/swarm in action, Portland USA:

(I add, Sep 6, while the above photo is already demonstrative of a coordinated murderous ambush, there is a video analysis here, UD can only embed YT. This event likely shows that both major front groups involved in the Red Guards brigadista insurgency are joined at the hip. For instance, the shooter had a BLM fist tattoo on his neck and declared himself 100% Antifa. His later suicide by shootout likely shows commitment to not be taken alive, i.e. he had knowledge of key information he judged worth guarding at the cost of his life. Modern interrogation techniques will credibly eventually “break” anyone.)

Let’s clip:

Portland Police are seeking help to identify a possible accomplice pictured here in the Portland Patriot Prayer member shooting. Here is a picture of the moments before the shooting. Notice the shooter is beginning to move as he draws his weapon, even though he does not have a sightline to the targets yet, and his position behind that cover would seem to be far enough back he could not otherwise have known his targets were hitting that position at exactly that moment. How did he know his targets were about to enter the killzone right then, and he needed to draw and begin moving? Even more interesting, in the criminal complaint on page 17, it points out he was initially walking with a woman in a white T-shirt, coming from one direction to that corner, and both were staring down the street at the targets who were a ways away, coming from a completely different place, as if the shooter and his partner had been told over the air to go there, and the targets they were about to shoot were coming from that direction, and they were identifying them. Once they got a bead on the targets, the woman stopped at the corner and loitered as he continued on and took cover in that alcove. Taking a corner gave her sightlines up and down all streets there, which would be second nature to the trained surveillance operative. And yet not having a sightline to the shooter, how would she communicate with him?  They were linked by radio. Look up behind the targets in the picture above, and you will see a lone guy who looks like the guy they are looking for. Notice his hand is covering his mouth just as the shooter begins to move, and the shooter is not holding a walkie talkie to receive any broadcast. It looks an awful like the guy behind the targets had taken surveillance command of the targets, he was trained enough that casually covering his lower face as he whispered into his chest was second nature, and he was radioing to the shooter who had an earpiece to receive, and probably a chest mic to transmit, triggering his movement at that moment, coordinating it to the targets. Also interesting, this new character may be surveillance aware enough he turned away from the surveillance camera as he came into view of it.

It takes a lot of time, recruitment effort, ideological motivation/desensitisation to morality, tactical training by experienced experts and rehearsal to run a complex hit like this. (For sure, this is no hothead running up to someone they hate and shooting in a rage, the surveillance cam shot demonstrates an orchestrated hit of the type used by Intel agency wet work teams or sophisticated terrorists. “mostly peaceful” and “protest” are off the table.)

That has to have a significant, years-long logistics trail, with face to face and communications networking, yielding traffic patterns.

So, this one case may be a break into what is now clearly a terrorist network.

Take it as a yardstick indicating the extent and depth of what is going on, a full-orbed 4th generation war insurgency backed by years of organisation and serious logistics, with carefully laid plans and organisation.

F/N3: And yes, “NAZI” lives don’t matter:

Clear intent to slander, brand and rob of right to life. Instead, we must recognise that life is the first right, without which there are no other rights. Therefore, we start with mutual respect and go on from there.

F/N4: U-Haul a Riot, Sept 2020

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KF, My grandparents grew up during the Great Depression, and it affected their entire lives (into the 2000's). They never quite had a normal relationship with money; their frugality was pathological. That experience forever distorted their view of the world.daveS
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MMT et al, what you may imagine dismissively makes no difference to the operational signatures on the ground. Go read the basics as were laid out in previous threads, we are seeing a red guards insurgency, which implies backing and strategic direction. As for feckless pols playing with fire they don't understand, Lenin had a contemptuous term about such, starting with their being useful. He also said the capitalists were so strategically short sighted they would sell him the rope to be used to stretch their necks. Have you lived through a marxist insurgency? I have, it failed but wreaked havoc. KFkairosfocus
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Sev, go to the next thread over, read and weep. You should have done homework before spouting off dismissively about conspiracy theories. I think it is beyond reasonable dispute on history of 100 years, that Marxists see themselves as vanguards of socialist revolution and routinely undertake political,agit prop, subversive, insurgency and outright military operations to that end. If you thought the collapse of the Iron Curtain saw them off the stage, think again; indeed founders of BLM openly admit that they are marxist operators, on live tape. Just, things are a bit more sophisticated now, 4th Gen War tactics are in play. KFkairosfocus
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The Democrats have caused the division. Their hatred of Trump was apparent during his campaign when the sitting President used the FBI to investigate him. He has been constantly attacked from the leftwingnuts. When he stopped flights from China he was called racist. Months later he is chastised for not stopping them sooner. And not just from China, from all of Europe. Then he wanted to take control during the pandemic only to be attacked again for not understanding the Governors control their respective States. But when it all went bad they blamed him anyway. Total losersET
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I agree entirely with Mac McTavish. Conspiracy theories about critical race theorists and cultural Marxism are not the solution to the deep and long-standing racial divisions in US society, they only distract from it. What to me is much more alarming is that we have a President who is not only clearly willing to exploit these divisions for his own political advantage but is also dropping heavy hints about rejecting the results of any election he does not win, refusing to leave the White House even if he loses and wants not just a second but a third term. This is a man who not only has effectively erased the old Republican Party and replaced it with the Trump Party but is also trying to remove any constitutional restraints on his exercise of political power with the ultimate purpose of becoming President-for-Life. He would like nothing more than to change the United States into a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Trump Organization. That is the sort of conspiracy we ignore at our peril.Seversky
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I’m afraid that I can’t buy into any global, or even national, conspiracy using red guard tactics to turn the country into a Marxist state. What I see are very legitimate, and largely peaceful, protests over the long history of police violence against black people. This has attracted a small number of instigators, as often happens during protests. What has made the issue worse is a president who fans the flames with is Twitter rants and divisive rhetoric. Unfortunately, it often takes protests and violence to attain any meaningful change. I wish that it didn’t, but history doesn’t lie.Mac McTavish
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I don’t think there are really any deep dark conspiracies behind the current social unrest that is gripping some American cities. What I see instead are ruthless left wing politicians being supported by an agenda driven main stream media. Frankly these people don’t really care about so-called social justice. What does allowing an out of control mob looting, vandalizing and burning down minority owned businesses have to do with advancing cause of social justice? Very early on I said that locking down the American economy because of Covid-19 would cause social unrest. I think my prediction was spot on. What I didn’t predict was how cynically the left wing mayors and governors along with a complicit media would try to exploit the rioting for some kind of political advantage. But it appears that is starting to back fire on them. Obviously they thought that maybe the unrest could hurt Trump’s re-election chances. So those minority owned business? Cannon fodder in the on-going culture war which they know they can’t win by direct honest democratic means.john_a_designer
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M62, someone was "hit" in Portland last night. Shortly thereafter, a crowd was heard rejoicing on how a "nazi" was killed. The juggernaut is rolling. KFkairosfocus
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kairosfocus @29, though I think you're wildly overstating the situation, and I agree with Dave @57, I don't entirely disagree with your concerns esp in areas where law enforcement is controlled by commucrat city governments and police unions. What you describe is a problem limited by and large to commucrat controlled cities. I am a proponent of getting out of the cities for a lot of reasons including social disorder.mike1962
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DS, we don't have names just yet, just patterns. Apart from those undergoing investigation [up to and including, obviously a prince on one of several fronts], one who has pled guilty on another [with huge implications], the peek under the rug just linked on a third front etc. Once, chance, twice -- coincidence, thrice -- enemy action. KFkairosfocus
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Hmmm, I suspect OJ will find the "real killers" before you or WJM actually name names. :-)daveS
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DS, operations as you know pivot on logistics. In addition, consistent operational patterns point to training and coordination, not of the general mass but of a hard core. The obvious extension of stand down orders and the media sing off the same hymn sheet cover that has portrayed a narrative also don't come from nowhere. On history, the original relevant Red Guards (bolshevik units from 1917 on don't count) were used by Mao to claw back power after his great leap forward failed, costing many lives and leading to his restriction among the leadership. Similarly, there was backing in North Africa, the Levant and Eastern Europe recently. So, we can comfortably infer that common design signatures point to common designers from the same school of thought. The recent revelations on a government takedown in Austria may give a peek into the shadows, too. We can comfortably wait on the investigations to show specifics, but we know enough to know that things don't happen by the magic of pulling rabbits out of non existent hats. So, John, Richard, Jane and Sue Doe warrants may be confidently issued. Wanted, trainers, field organisers and technical operatives. Wanted, sttaff, logistics, training and ideology organisers. Wanted, political fixers and bag men. Wanted, financiers who knew what they were funding. Wanted, power brokers using insurgency to create chaos and gain power. The next 6 - 18 months should help us draw connexions. KF PS: Try here (german) and here for a peek under the rug.kairosfocus
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KF, Can you name these "backers" and support your position with hard evidence connecting them to the current unrest in Portland, say? I'd love to see some documentation of their "wargame tested plans" to subvert the military and police forces, along with the considerable number of armed civilians.daveS
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DS, I could make observations on others in federal office. That is irrelevant. The issue is, we can see a clear signature of a red guards insurgency, implying backers. There is a track record of "success" of such, and there is a wider pattern of spiral to chaos -- e.g. another man shot dead in Portland. The juggernaut's pace is accelerating. KFkairosfocus
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KF, These "fringe folk" are being elected to federal office, you know. Even the highly-regarded lawyer Lin Wood, who is helping with Kyle Rittenhouse's defense, appears to be a follower.daveS
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WJM, Could you tell us who, _specifically_, you think will be indicted? Why are you being so coy?daveS
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DS, the first Civil Was was a war in a peripheral country, now the ramping up 4GW is in the geostrategic centre of our civilisation. If things really explode, it could get horrific. The trigger is not going to be some fringe folk following an anonymous poster, Q, but the ongoing red guard insurgency and their backers. Red guard tactics have worked several times, starting with China in 1966. The parallels I already drew should give pause. As should what seems to be coming out of HR at Sandia labs. KFkairosfocus
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For legal definitions in the USA, one can go here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-115 I don't have to divulge any "explosive," secret or new information. All one needs to do is read the laws, have a basic knowledge of facts not in dispute, and see how these laws have been explicitly violated by many people by their own words and actions. These laws have been publicly, brazenly flouted for years, and every day more evidence is exposed in addition to that which is freely accessible. The only question is if Trump is willing to prosecute anyone for those things. I don't know how Trump can more explicitly telegraph his position and intentions than by stating that Treason was committed and that those involved will be brought to justice. He says many times, "This can never be allowed to happen again." There's only one way to even remotely deter anyone from that course: prosecute and punish them to the full extent of the law. If that doesn't happen, if they are convicted of or allowed to plead to lesser crimes, all you are doing is delaying for a very short time the inevitable.William J Murray
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KF, The US Civil War will seem like nothing compared to what's coming. #thegreatawakening #trusttheplan #WWG1WGAdaveS
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DS, I note that after the 1861 - 65 civil war, treason trials were not held. KFkairosfocus
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DS, I doubt treason would actually be tried ...
Well, it seems that WJM is in possession of some very explosive information, which for some reason, he is reluctant to divulge. :-)daveS
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Yes, Ford was the incumbent. But we, the people, didn't put him there. We didn't even out him in the position to be there. And, to be technical, LBJ was only a one term President.ET
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DS, I doubt treason would actually be tried, but there are many other crimes that will likely be on the table. Clinesmith is on evidence falsification material to lawfare against a candidate then duly elected president, contributory to intelligence service abuse, policing abuse, misleading courts and several years of needless chaos. The connexions are where the issues will come out. The human trafficking lolita side will probably take out some pretty serious names, likely in several countries. The prince is already looking set for serious consequences, even if it never comes to trial. How did his security detail ever allow him to be in such a situation? And a former US president never should have had a neck massage like that too, do these people listen to their security? KFkairosfocus
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KF, Are there any _specific_ individuals you expect to be indicted for treason and sedition? ET, True, however he was the incumbent in 1976.daveS
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ET, that's a good point too. KFkairosfocus
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Gerald Ford was never elected to the Presidency nor the Vice Presidency.ET
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JaD, I keep pointing to cultural buttresses, so freedom does not become suicide. Those buttresses in material part come from Christendom. KFkairosfocus
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Winston Churchill once said,
Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…
Any kind of democratic society is intrinsically unstable and it’s only as good as its constituents. U.S, founding father John Adams understood this very well when he wrote, “Democracy has never been and never can be so durable as aristocracy or monarchy; but while it lasts, it is more bloody than either… [it] never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. It is in vain to say that democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious, or less avaricious than aristocracy or monarchy. It is not true, in fact, and nowhere appears in history. Those passions are the same in all men, under all forms of simple government, and when unchecked, produce the same effects of fraud, violence, and cruelty.” https://uncommondescent.com/off-topic/democracies-fail-without-adult-supervision/#comment-668515 Why is it that throughout history so many democracies have flamed out so quickly? Think of the French republic which replaced what was at the time one of the world’s oldest monarchies. What happened to it. Or, the Weimar republic in post WWI Germany… or, Yugoslavia… or, Czechoslovakia… How long has the U.S. existed? Is it culturally and ethnically diverse? How has it been able to survive different kinds of crises like the civil war? The great depression? The social unrest of the 1960’s? I wouldn’t say the prospects for U.S. survival are as dim as some here are suggesting but it is true that any form of democratic government requires constant vigilance. And indeed, it doesn’t take much to send it over the edge.john_a_designer
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DS, okay, Hoover. KF PS: Start from Mr Clinesmith's recent guilty plea and follow the threads from there. Consider what had to be going on to make that stick. On another line (likely at much higher level) ponder what the Epstein-Maxwell saga points to (and no way will I believe in a convenient suicide with even more convenient circumstances), given that infamous photo with Prince Andrew. Unravel the two and we may just be able to begin a clean-up.kairosfocus
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WJM,
That’s when I expect to see the big name indictments for treason and sedition ...
Would you care to name names? And could you tell us what your sources of information are?daveS
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