Tucker Carlson challenges Planned Parenthood

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March 16, 2017

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. . . on just what it is that we are killing in the womb:

>>“Why are you giving me robotic responses? I’m asking you a human question, and I hope you’ll favor me with a human answer?”

That was Tucker Carlson on his primetime Fox News show “Tucker Carlson Tonight” interviewing Planned Parenthood Executive Vice President Dawn Laguens Monday night.

Carlson was looking for the answer to a simple question – the most basic, yet profound, question of the entire abortion debate: What exactly is the little “something” with a beating heart, residing in a mother’s womb, that is destroyed during an abortion? Is it a human being, a clump of tissue or something else? . . . . Carlson’s question has been the moral and legal touchstone for abortion opponents for decades, and as Laguens demonstrated, one that is virtually always sidestepped by abortion providers and proponents . . . .

Finally, after multiple attempts, Carlson doubled down with Laguens even more earnestly: “I’ve let you repeat your talking points, which I’ve heard a thousand times. … But I want to take it just a level deeper, because I think it’s worth it. It’s a big deal to a lot of people. And people say, ‘Look, this is killing a life.’ A heart is beating, you can hear it at five-and-a-half weeks, and the majority of your abortions take place after five-and-a-half weeks. So I want to know if that bothers you at all. … Do you ever stop and think, ‘Wow, what is happening here, is a life being taken?’ People say a life is being taken. Do you think that?”

As the clock ran out on the interview, Carlson gave the Planned Parenthood chief still one more crack at the question: “Why are you giving me robotic responses? I’m asking you a human question, and I hope you’ll favor me with a human answer. … You can hear the heartbeat. Is that a human being or not? Is it separate from the mother or not? Different blood type, often different sex, different DNA. It doesn’t seem like a tumor. … What does that mean?”

True to form, Laguens, herself the mother of triplets, answered with yet more “abortion rights” talking points that totally avoided the question.

“With respect,” responded Carlson, “I know you’re smart, but you’re giving me a series of rehearsed and very childish answers and it’s just disappointing.”>>

Let us watch the segment: (u/d) . . .

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There is one thing to be said about all of this, given the context of holocaust of our posterity under false colour of law, rights and the like: what are we doing to our consciences, minds, souls, posterity — and in the end, our civilisation? (If you can come up with a cogent answer that does not reduce to absurdity and/or march of folly to ruin, I would like to hear it: _______ .) END

Comments

Abortion frustrates me, as it seems to do to many commenting on this post. The evil of deliberately killing another innocent, helpless human seems so inconceivable to many of us. Thus, it seemed natural when my wife and I found out we could not conceive to adopt. We were able to help the women in crisis, and we were able to love our children as best as fallen humans are able. I cannot imagine loving biological children more than the ones God has given us through adoption. We have offered to adopt more, but the women decided to keep their children, and we wholly supported their decision, and did what we could materially for them. Somehow, it seems that only love can overcome such intolerable evil. For those of you who read this post and are young enough to adopt, may I suggest you consider it as a viable alternative to the holocaust we see going on in our society? Adoption fees: $1000's. Time filling out forms: hours and hours. The blessings that come through adopted children: priceless!Physteach_{March 17, 2017
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Folks, notice the re-labelling of miscarried pregnancies etc as "abortions," as though that which is done by deliberate act of killing were of the same order as a naturally occurring death? That is a telling, 1984-style newspeak move and it points to what is happening with our civilisation. KFkairosfocus_{March 17, 2017
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The [--> looks like a mis-post, cut off at one word ED]es58_{March 17, 2017
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SteRusJon, "But, if I new I had conceived and he or she was promptly miscarried.." Well, from your writing you are plainly a women. Therefore SRJ, the chances are very high you have had more than one miscarriage without knowing. This fact is very easy to varify in medical blogs. Now that you know this biological fact I suggest you set aside one, or several days per year for mourning God's forgotten. I am not being flippant. Tell your church (I assume you go) this fact of massive miscarriages of egg/sperm zygotes, genocide, and see how much real sorrow you generate. As opposed of course to that morally superior, disgusting, (look at me, and how holy I am) sorrow, play acted outside abortion clinics. In those horrible vindictive abortion clinic shamings of girls, and women who enter, and are jeered, and spat upon, I am reminded of one of my favourite Biblical stories; that of Jesus succouring the women cought in adultery as the self righteous clergy, scream for her blood, spittal drooling from their screwed up, insane faces: "Let he who is without...etc"rvb8_{March 16, 2017
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WJM, No! If you, WJM were not living the life I would like to live (and you most certainly are not), I would not have the right to terminate you. You are aware you are living and therefore have rights, the zygote does not. Nor for that matter do the brain dead, whom relatives regularly 'extinguish', if you like that kind of silly, emotive language. There's no problem with my logic, the problem resides in your deliberately poor reading comprehension. My argument was that a fetus, and a person with inoperable brain damage are largely the same. Unfortunately for you we are indeed allowed to end their existance: You see? 'Existance', not 'Life'. And yes, I don't want to 'exist' (which people here seem to think is fine), I want to 'live'; unlike a fetus, and unlike the braindead! Kairos likes to bring in the 'holocaust' as an appropriate metaphor, it is not, it is not even relevant. Why does the world view the holocaust as true genocide but merely winks at abortion? Even in Ireand where it is supposedly illegal, people turn a blind eye. Kairos would say it is the degeneration of morality. But we as a species have been aborting, and commiting infanticde (we still do on a large scale) for eons? The answer, like most answers is plain! Early pregnancy has never been regarded as a viable human. In the Middle Ages the Catholic Church had a far more sensible position than anyone here and that was, life began at the 'quickening', when the fetus first moves.rvb8_{March 16, 2017
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es58,
attached to infant who would die
What you wrote is beside the point and we can come back to it. But you accept the fact that the contents of the womb are indeed human life?bb_{March 16, 2017
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Abortion comes from the same rotten barrel as euthanasia, infanticide, and genocide. It exists and is supported enthusiastically by its proponents because it is the ultimate way for Man to assume godhood status. The control over life and death is the power of the gods, and make no mistake about it, abortion is a favored potion of the modern day Luciferian hordes.OldArmy94_{March 16, 2017
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if you woke to find you had been medically attached to infant who would die if unattached before 9 months should it be your choice? Why or why not?es58_{March 16, 2017
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Pindi, And my response to you was to demonstrate to you that some of us think it is ridiculous not think of the newly conceived as anything but human being. You are a callous rhetorician uninterested in the worth of opposing points of view and only interested in the point total. And by not engaging with me, instead pressing on as though your attempt was entirely unscathed, you perfectly imitated the VP in the OP by returning to your talking point instead of facing the issue head on. Now engage! Tell me how it is that my response fails to demonstrate that there are some of us out here that do believe, and emote based on that belief, that the fertilized human egg is a HUMAN BEING! Just because it is ridiculous to you does not mean it is inherently ridiculous. Your belief that a fertilized human egg is not a human being scores zero rhetorical points with me. StephenSteRusJon_{March 16, 2017
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AJ @ 15:
If I saw the deliberate killing of millions of human beings in my country I would stop at nothing to stop it. I certainly wouldn’t be wasting my time posting comments on an obscure blog complaining about it. Or is it just possible that using terms like holocaust and killing and murder are just over the top hyperbole?
Have you forgotten that I have already responded to all this in another thread? I gave you a rather expanded explanation that involved available options, likely outcomes, a spiritual overview that guided the kind of response that was appropriate, etc. Just because I do not react the way you imagine you would doesn't mean I don't consider abortion the killing of a human life. rvb8 said:
But as to WJM’s asserion that life begins at conception; no it doesn’t. Or at least no life I want to live.
So, if you are not living the kind of life I would like to live, should I then have the right to terminate your life? There's a problem with your logic.
I will passionately add that abortion should be a last resort,
One wonders, why? Why should it be a "last resort", if before birth it is not a human being one is killing?William J Murray_{March 16, 2017
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Pindi, So you admit a fertilized egg is a new life. If that new life is the result of a human reproductive act, what species of life is it?
It is designed to show the ridiculousness of calling a fertilised egg a human being.
You answered the second question, but the initial question you evaded with your mockery......oops.......attempt to paint my position as ridiculous.bb_{March 16, 2017
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Pindi's reasoning? Natural abortions happen, we should be allowed to do abortions. Natural death happens, we should be allowed to inflict death on others. Natural disasters happen, we should be allowed to make disasters.Eugen_{March 16, 2017
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And bb @21, it is not whether it is a new life. Its' whether it is a human being.Pindi_{March 16, 2017
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Rehearsed, robotic answers meant to deflect from the question. Reminds me of CR.Vy_{March 16, 2017
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Thanks for your response SteRusJon. No, my question to bb is not meant to be mocking or to evade the truth. It is designed to show the ridiculousness of calling a fertilised egg a human being. EDTA, it is very easy to find out with the right equipment. sure it would be cumbersome having to get a doctor around with microscope etc, but for those who truly believe human beings are dying, surely it is a small price to pay.Pindi_{March 16, 2017
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SteRusJon, I appreciate your comment, but Pindi's mocking question is only meant to evade the obvious truth of his position, and what he can justifiably be compared to.bb_{March 16, 2017
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Pindi, Your ridiculing question of bb is a bit over the top. But, if I knew that I had conceived and he or she was promptly miscarried, I would mourn the loss of my son or daughter and not slough it off as nothing more that a fingernail clipping. It is entirely conceivable that I would actually name my son or daughter. It is true that the sense of loss I would experience and the mourning that I would experience would likely not be as intense or as long-lasting as I would for the death my other children. None the less, I would grieve for the loss of a child, a child of mine that failed to reach his or her potential and whose lifetime was cut all too short. Oh, and, if I had his or her remains in hand, so to speak, I would handle them with more reverence and respect than I do fingernail clippings. StephenSteRusJon_{March 16, 2017
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>Should we not be checking all occurrence of menstruation to ensure there are no human beings getting discharged at the same time? >[W]ould you name a fertilised egg and hold it a funeral for it if you were aware it had been miscarried? I don't know how, in a practical sense, we could find this out. The medical/technological means for making such a determination in every possible case for every possible woman is beyond our capability. Furthermore, that loss of life is not one we directly, intentionally, selectively cause. I would however, name and hold funerals for those aborted that we did know existed, and intentionally terminated. How are we not more culpable in those cases? >Or at least no life I want to live; a life of blind, soundless, unknowing ignorance. Like the person who is brain dead the fetus is completely unaware of its existance as its brain is incapable of that awareness....Life upon entering our world is the sensible point to say ‘human’. I don't see the logic in arguing that because we wouldn't want to spend our entire existences at a particular stage of physical development, that therefore, we are moral in terminating life at that stage. I've read many arguments over the decades about why the line of demarcation should be at this point or that. None have been particularly compelling.EDTA_{March 16, 2017
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Pindi, How is a fertilized egg not a new life?bb_{March 16, 2017
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Pindi, WJM is correct when he points out that "all are dying" (see I Cor 15:22 You would do well to read the entire chapter). This is all in accord with God's intention. It has no bearing on our actions and their sinfulness. Regarding, "perhaps God doesn’t see them as humans", that may very well be true. But, He has not deigned to inform us of exactly when it is that He sees them as humans if it is not at conception. In the spirit of the second greatest commandment to "love thy neighbor as thyself" I would not have appreciated being considered non-human by my mother for any amount of time after my conception. How about you? My view is that we should err on the side of love and leave the hard decisions to the God who knows the real answers to them. Regarding the point at which the combined sperm and ovum become human for the left's purposes, it seems that the VP of Planned Parenthood is unwilling to deal with the issue in an honest and forthright way. It is intentionally avoided by her and others on the left. The same avoidance appears in their rabid fight against ultrasound-before-abortion legislation. They do not wish to see the life of the unborn. They dare not peer into that darkness of considering the real import of their stance. What opinions they my express have no definiteness. Peter Singer thinks you are not human enough until you are somehow better than a pig in some way or another. They pick some vague demarcation that suits their present needs if you can get them to commit at all. How's that for a principled position in a debate that literally means life or death. By the way, my mother was told that after the birth of my next older sibling that she should definitely not have any more children, it could cost here her life. My mother loved me more than herself. She was willing to give her life, if need be, that I may have mine. I thank God, He did not require her to do so. Stephen PS. to all. I Cor 15:28 (NWT) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone. (Greek has the equivalent of "the all in all") This is the verse in the Bible that looks farthest out into the future and specifies exactly what it is that God intends to accomplish with all our trials and travails and our successes and celebrations. No other verse sees further than this time when the abolition of Death occurs at the consummation of all of God's workings as outlined in the fifteenth chapter of First Corinthians. It sums up God's purpose to be attained through His Son. All other passages of the Bible address the waypoints in the process of accomplishing that purpose. Unapologetically, I say if your theology cannot be comfortably reconciled with this one ultimate fact, God "All in all", then, your theology is, simply, wrong! If, on the other hand, you are anti-theological and none of the theologies you explicitly reject are fully consistent with this verse then you are rejecting falsehood, only, and have no idea what the true God is really like.SteRusJon_{March 16, 2017
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bb, would you name a fertilised egg and hold it a funeral for it if you were aware it had been miscarried?Pindi_{March 16, 2017
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Pindi,
Can a mortal be more righteous than God? Can a man be more pure than his Maker?
-Job 4:17
Would you indeed annul My judgment? Would you condemn Me that you may be justified?
-Job 40:8 As God reveals in the second quote, your accusation is simply tu quoque and does nothing to justify the atrocity you support. The question still remains for those that support abortion. How can you support the slaughter of nearly 1 billion children? How is your side's definition of humanity, to rationalize this twisted act, different than the rationalizations to excuse slavery, or kill Jews?bb_{March 16, 2017
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WJM, If there is an extant and ongoing natural disaster that every day kills millions of human beings, shouldn't you be trying to stop that, as well the deliberate slaughter that is going on? At some point in time, inaction, becomes culpable. Everyone here who has children has no doubt had some of their own human beings who have been victims. Should we not be checking all occurrence of menstruation to ensure there are no human beings getting discharged at the same time? Then we could at least give them names and proper funerals. Or maybe we could even save them if they are still alive at that point. If rvb8 is right, there are almost as many human beings dying like this as there are being born!Pindi_{March 16, 2017
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Miscarriage rates (God's abortions) in women who don't know they are pregnant are around 30-50%. That is, most women have miscarriages and simply don't know they have been pregnant at all. Divine Design? But as to WJM's asserion that life begins at conception; no it doesn't. Or at least no life I want to live; a life of blind, soundless, unknowing ignorance.Like the person who is brain dead the fetus is completely unaware of its existance as its brain is incapable of that awareness. Life upon entering our world is the sensible point to say 'human'. I will passionately add that abortion should be a last resort, and late term abortions are always, and should be distressful to the mother. Please, don't give me your Catholic, 'zygote equals life' nonsense, it does not. It represents potential life.rvb8_{March 16, 2017
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WM:
This thread, however, is about the deliberate killing of millions of humans.
If I saw the deliberate killing of millions of human beings in my country I would stop at nothing to stop it. I certainly wouldn't be wasting my time posting comments on an obscure blog complaining about it. Or is it just possible that using terms like holocaust and killing and murder are just over the top hyperbole?Armand Jacks_{March 16, 2017
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My point was that given the regularity with which fertilised eggs and microscopic fetuses are flushed out of women naturally, perhaps God doesn’t see them as humans.
I'm not following your logic, Pindi. All humans die at some point. Is "how many die because of a particular cause" or "how many die at a certain age" a case we should make to define which sets of people should be granted full human rights protections?
And given that these “natural abortions” don’t get mentioned here I was curious as to how you see it. Seems like a natural disaster that is wiping out humans by the millions and should be dealt with with the same energy as the other “holocaust”.
I think the term "Holocaust" should be reserved for intentional acts writ large, not natural disasters. Perhaps "how we should deal with natural disasters" could be the topic of a guest post you submit. This thread, however, is about the deliberate killing of millions of humans.William J Murray_{March 16, 2017
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My point was that given the regularity with which fertilised eggs and microscopic fetuses are flushed out of women naturally, perhaps God doesn't see them as humans. And given that these "natural abortions" don't get mentioned here I was curious as to how you see it. Seems like a natural disaster that is wiping out humans by the millions and should be dealt with with the same energy as the other "holocaust".Pindi_{March 16, 2017
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Pindi, Leaving aside the category error of comparing God's actions to our own, how, pray tell, does the pointing out actions of another justify our own intentional evil actions? StephenSteRusJon_{March 16, 2017
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Pindi asks:
WJM, how many conceptions end in miscarriages?
I don't know.
Why does God allow so many innocent human beings to be flushed out of the woman’s body though miscarriage?
I don't know. God "allows" a lot worse stuff to happen than miscarriages. What does any of that have to do with what we are talking about?William J Murray_{March 16, 2017
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These people are just so mentally contorted. In another piece News put up we learn that many holding the same worldview as that which this VP hold are in a tizzy about the the possibility humans might colonize other planets. In other news, there are moves afoot to grant rights to rivers. All the while they dismiss the very most vulnerable of the most impressive class of entities we know of in the entire universe -human beings- as if nothing at all. Mind-blown!SteRusJon_{March 16, 2017
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