24 Replies to “Jordan Peterson speaks for himself,

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    kairosfocus says:

    Jordan Peterson speaks for himself

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    PyrrhoManiac1 says:

    The main reason I call Peterson a liar is because

    (1) he refers to what he calls “postmodern neo-Marxism”;

    (2) anyone who knows the actual history of these intellectual/political movements knows that postmodernism and Marxism are vehemently opposed on epistemological, metaphysical, and political grounds;

    (3) either he is unaware of (2), in which case he simply hasn’t done the required reading necessary for having an informed opinion or else he’s been told of (2), and yet he continues to repeat (1).

    Or, far more plausibly, Peterson is deliberately obfuscating how Nietzschean he is (see here and here).

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    jerry says:

    Jordan Peterson is a gift to mankind.

    He’s not perfect. He actually believes in Evolution. Though he has read Stephen Meyer’s book and said it made him think about things he wasn’t aware of. The Availability Cascade in action.

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    AnimatedDust says:

    PM @2:

    Why should we give the slightest bit of consideration to your links, whose abstracts are: 1. JP is full of [SNIP – language], and 2. He is always wrong? Both from the same publication that I’ve never heard of, and am not inclined to research further.

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    jerry says:

    Jordan Peterson’s 12 Rules for Life

    Stand up straight with your shoulders back.”

    “Treat yourself like you are someone you are responsible for helping.”

    “Make friends with people who want the best for you.”

    “Compare yourself to who you were yesterday, not to who someone else is today.”

    “Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them.”

    “Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world.”

    “Pursue what is meaningful (not what is expedient).”

    “Tell the truth – or, at least, don’t lie.”

    “Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don’t.”

    “Be precise in your speech.”

    “Do not bother children while they are skateboarding.”

    “Pet a cat when you encounter one in the street.

    And 12 more

    Do not carelessly denigrate social institutions or creative achievement.”

    “Imagine who you could be and then aim single-mindedly at that.”

    “Do not hide unwanted things in the fog.”

    “Notice that opportunity lurks where responsibility has been abdicated.”

    “Do not do what you hate.”

    “Abandon ideology.”

    “Work as hard as you possibly can on at least one thing and see what happens.”

    “Try to make one room in your home as beautiful as possible.”

    “If old memories still upset you, write them down carefully and completely.”

    “Plan and work diligently to maintain the romance in your relationship.”

    “Do not allow yourself to become resentful, deceitful, or arrogant.”

    “Be grateful in spite of your suffering

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    PyrrhoManiac1 says:

    @4

    I’m only trying to offer another perspective. If you decide to ignore it or think it’s just not worth your time, that’s your choice.

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    kairosfocus says:

    PM1, at this point, you have termed those who you disagree with as follows:

    Right-wing grifters like Jordan Peterson, James Lindsay, and Christopher Rufo make a lot of money selling these lies to the gullible fools who get their worldview injected into their brains by downloading Fox News propaganda

    I have barely heard of Jordan, and not of the other two. However, for months now, I have seen you in action and I am pretty clear that your harsh accusatory tone expresses projection to the despised other implying cognitive dissonance and inviting confession by projection, mirror principle analysis.

    I think, just because of the proved slander about critical theories and cultural marxism as an antisemitic conspiracy theory, we owe these men at least the status of letting their unfiltered voices be heard.

    As for cultural marxism, I showed out of the horse’s mouth that the Wikipedia-SPLC marginalisation is maliciously toxic and fundamentally false. There is such a movement, it is of socio-cultural focus with a radical agenda rooted in Marxism. It comes through the Frankfurt School, related movements (such as in the UK) and related individuals. For cause, I hold it anticivilisational, misanthropic jacobinism. I am left to wonder why academics of some stature still want to cling to Marx, after C20 and 100+ million victims.

    I will shortly give the other two you targetted an opportunity to speak in their own voice.

    KF

    PS, Jerry, it seems Mr Peterson has some points on functional ethics and common decency, though I would not phrase some things as he has. For one, taken at face value “Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world” misses the mark as our own perfection is unattainable and even a woman degraded to walking the streets has a right to cry out for rape.

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    Sandy says:

    Jerry
    Jordan Peterson is a gift to mankind.

    Indeed. I think is one of the biggest mind of our time if not the biggest one. He understood ahead of the time what woke craziness mean = same ideology of commies. Leftism today is the old Comunist Party of Soviet Union with a different mask.
    I didn’t understand when he opposed that bill C16 with special pronouns for transgender people but now I understand (after we know what happened with twitter censorship and with Covid censorship ). Language controls thought and commies know that and try to apply it .

    @PyrrhoManiac:
    I was right you are a sweet commie=leftist. You watch CNN and then you come here to teach us what you learnt. Ha!

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    kairosfocus says:

    PM1, it is not mere opinion to accuse others of being grifters, lying and implying pushing of antisemitic conspiracy theories. KF

    PS, it is of the essence of post modernism to be incoherent, so I am utterly unsurprised to see inconsistent blends, all the way up to Orwellian doublethink. That critical theories — already incoherent — would add to the brew pomo influences is inherently plausible. How many people today unequivocally embrace objectivity of knowledge or POI, LEM, LNC and say a weak form PSR leading to a principle of causality? Much less, the Ciceronian first duties of reason? I suggest, but few. And yet, these are all self evident, branch on which we sit first principles. Then, there is the inferior good, hyper skepticism, being pushed as substitute for prudence. I lay blame squarely at the feet of that species of ultra-modernism commonly called postmodernism.

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    jerry says:

    Jordan Peterson was featured on a thread about 18 months ago.

    Jordan Peterson’s Reflections On Twitter On Reading Steve Meyer’s Return Of The God Hypothesis

    https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/jordan-petersons-reflections-on-twitter-on-reading-steve-meyers-return-of-the-god-hypothesis/

    I think is one of the biggest mind of our time if not the biggest one

    One of the top.

    Victor Davis Hanson is up there too. And Thomas Sowell is still alive. All are extremely well read and communicate clearly. Another is Michael Sugrue but he is very sick.

    Sugrue is the first person I ever encountered who explained philosophy clearly. What to know what metaphysics is? Watch a Sugrue lecture.

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    PyrrhoManiac1 says:

    @8

    I was right you are a sweet commie=leftist. You watch CNN and then you come here to teach us what you learnt. Ha!

    I can’t stand CNN. CNN stands for milquetoast neoliberalism. No one on CNN is going to question the basic rightness of capitalism. There are no TV or radio shows broadcast in the US that represent my political views. That’s why I read books.

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    kairosfocus says:

    PM1, we are now seeing the self disclosure effect. I will note, that c 1991, it was forever exposed by hard empirical fact of collapse, that von Mises was right back in the 1920’s. The market, imperfect though it is, is a means by which value is established in a market and attempts to concentrate economic planning in a government dominated central directorate will fail, choking on information and valuation challenges. Even the Chinese and Cubans have conceded this. The issue is to buttress and balance the market, not whether distributed economic planning diffused across households and firms has superior performance especially in an age of rapid innovation and risk. So, equating markets with oppression and backwardness fails, we also have 100 million victims of socialist oppression. Just ask the Poles. KF

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    relatd says:

    Jerry at 5,

    Now I have much fewer reasons to watch Jordan Peterson. Whatever was good on that list is muddled with nonsensical ideas and ‘modernized’ truisms. Too bad.

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    jerry says:

    So, equating markets with oppression and backwardness fails

    Does anyone with intelligence actually believe this?

    I’m sure there are misguided soles who believe this. Despite all the evidence to the opposite.

    Summed up best in the quote from a modern Dracula story

    I Knew The Future Would Bring Wonders. I Did Not Know It Would Make Them Ordinary

    Netflix’s Dracula mini-series

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    bornagain77 says:

    LOL: “I can’t stand CNN.,,, No one on CNN is going to question the basic rightness of capitalism.”

    Never thought I would ever hear someone criticize CNN for being too far right. 🙂

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    Sandy says:

    PyrrhoManiac1
    I can’t stand CNN

    :)What a magical coincidence 99% of CNN opinions are your opinions …but somehow you can’t stand CNN.

    Relatd
    Now I have much fewer reasons to watch Jordan Peterson. Whatever was good on that list is muddled with nonsensical ideas and ‘modernized’ truisms. Too bad.

    🙂 JP is not a bishop in Catholic Church but I think is closer to God than Pope.Just an opinion.

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    kairosfocus says:

    Jerry, Marxism is one of those evergreen C19 myths that a mere stake or two through the heart has proved unable to permanently put down. It is quite clear that market capitalism is being again blamed as a fount of all oppression and ruin [do not overlook watermelon environmentalism], and that many highly intelligent, well certificated people are again caught up in the myth, having been taught it in various guises. White, heterosexual, culturally “christian” males who identify with the heritage of our civilisation are especially targetted as a key vector of oppression, through intersectionality. It is no accident that Jefferson was targetted as fathering children through Sally Hemmings [most likely it was one of his relatives], and that the otherwise unimpeachable terms in the US DoI 1776 . . . of which he was a key (but not the sole) author are tainted with racist slavery and dismissed. Hence, the notorious 1619 project that was so heavily pushed. And there is a lot more, we are talking about a cloak of invisibility cover for a black theme colour culture revolution strategy. And, strategy it is, with clear intent to cripple the no. 1 guardian of the global sea routes. That’s why I point to the parallel of turn of C20 and Germany’s attempt to get blue ocean breakout through the GIUK gap, then barred by Britain. The parallel is the first chain of Pacific islands from Japan to Taiwan to the Philippines and Indonesia. A key is, Taiwan has deep water bays amenable to naval bases and is historically the bastion that the earlier Nationalists retreated to. Notice, China is not content to let it become a Pakistan equivalent or better, equivalent of the German states that did not wish to be part of the grand German programme most recently championed by Hitler. There is a major home grown element but do not overlook the global geostrategic chessboard. KF

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    relatd says:

    Sandy at 16,

    His thinking is muddled.

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    relatd says:

    Ba77,

    I look at CNN as the beginning of what’s wrong with the news. I can’t stand it.

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    asauber says:

    For the record, I don’t watch any news programming at all. Haven’t for years. I find it phony and insulting.

    Andrew

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    Ford Prefect says:

    I have tried to watch some of Peterson’s videos but I simply can’t get past his condescending, pompous, arrogance to care about anything he has to say.

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    kairosfocus says:

    FP, h’mm, I recall seeing Ford Prefects still on the road in Cuba. I am not endorsing Peterson, I am saying he was smeared and in fairness should be heard in his own voice. If anything, try to hear out what the young lady he is interviewing has to say. KF

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    jerry says:

    Jordan. Peterson is one of the most brilliant minds on the planet today.

    Those who suggest he has intellectual issues, have not read or listened to him. He does comment on a million things so yes it is true he is not perfect on every subject. For example, I said he believed in Evolution 18 months ago.

    His wife who he adores is a convert to Catholicism. He hedges about belief in God because he says one cannot know for sure. He is an expert on the Bible. He treats it more as literature with moral stories than revelation.

    We should be grateful we have him.

    Aside: His 24 ways to live are chapter headings fully developed in his two recent books. No one can legitimately argue against them.

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    vividbleau says:

    More light on Petersons choices and crimes and the possibility that he will have to go to a “reeducation camp” and participate in Canadas version of the Chinese struggle sessions.

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/jordan-peterson-ordered-to-enter-re-education-program-in-canada-over-his-comments-speech-that-may-cause-harm-hes-refusing-to-comply

    Vivid

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