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Logic & First Principles, 14: Are beauty, truth, knowledge, goodness and justice merely matters of subjective opinions? (Preliminary thoughts.)

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We live in a Kant-haunted age, where the “ugly gulch” between our inner world of appearances and judgements and the world of things in themselves is often seen as unbridgeable. Of course, there are many other streams of thought that lead to widespread relativism and subjectivism, but the ugly gulch concept is in some ways emblematic. Such trends influence many commonly encountered views, most notably our tendency to hold that being a matter of taste, beauty lies solely in the eye of the beholder.

And yet, we find the world-famous bust of Nefertiti:

The famous bust of Nefertiti, found in Thutmose’s workshop (notice, how subtle smiles will play a role in portraits of beautiful women)

Compare, 3400 years later; notice the symmetry and focal power of key features for Guinean model, Sira Kante :


Sira Kante

And then, ponder the highly formal architecture of the Taj Mahal:

The Taj Mahal

ADDED: To help drive home the point, here is a collage of current architectural eyesores:

Current Eyesores

Added, Mar 23 — Vernal Equinox: The oddly shaped building on London’s skyline is called “Walkie-Talkie” and due to its curved surface creates a heating hazard at the height of summer on a nearby street — yet another aspect of sound design that was overlooked (this one, ethical):

Louvre as seen from inside the Pei pyramid

Since it has come up I add the Louvre’s recent addition of a Pyramid (which apparently echoes a similar temporary monument placed there c. 1839 to honour the dead in an 1830 uprising). Notice, below, how symmetric it is in the context of the museum; where triangular elements are a longstanding part of the design as may be seen from the structure below the central dome and above many windows. Observe the balance between overall framework and detailed elements that relieve the boredom of large, flat blank walls. Historically, also, as Notre Dame’s South Rose Window so aptly illustrates, windows and light have been part of the design and function of French architecture. Notice, how it fits the symmetry and is not overwhelmingly large, though of course those who objected that it is not simply aligned with the classical design of the building have a point:

Yet again, the similarly strongly patterned South Rose Window at Notre Dame (with its obvious focal point, as well as how the many portraits give delightful detail and variety amidst the symmetry) :

Notre Dame, South Rose Window

Compare, patterning, variety and focus with subtle asymmetry in part of “Seahorse Valley” for the Mandelbrot set:

Seahorse Valley zoom, Mandelbrot set

I add, let us pause to see the power of spirals as a pattern, tying in the Fibonacci sequence and thus also the Golden Ratio, Phi, 1.618 . . . (where concentric circles as in the Rose Window, have much of the same almost hypnotic effect and where we see spirals in the seahorse valley also):

Here, let us observe a least squares fit logarithmic spiral superposed on a cut Nautilus shell:

Let us also note, Da Vinci’s Vitruvian Man, as an illustration of patterns and proportions, noting the impact of the dynamic effect of the many S- and J-curve sculptural forms of the curved shapes in the human figure:

Note, a collage of “typical” human figure proportions:

Contrast the striking abstract forms (echoing and evoking human or animal figures), asymmetric patterning, colour balances, contrasts and fractal-rich cloudy details in the Eagle Nebula:

The Eagle Nebula

Also, the fractal patterning and highlighted focus shown by a partially sunlit Grand Canyon:

Grand Canyon

And then, with refreshed eyes, ponder Mona Lisa, noticing how da Vinci’s composition draws together all the above elements:

Mona Lisa — the most famous portrait
A modern reconstruction of what Mona Lisa may have looked like on completion

Let me also add, in a deliberately reduced scale, a reconstruction of what the portrait may have originally looked like. Over 400 years have passed, varnish has aged and yellowed, poplar wood has responded to its environment, some pigments have lost their colour, there have apparently been over-zealous reconstructions. Of course, the modern painter is not in Da Vinci’s class.

However, such a reconstruction helps us see the story the painting subtly weaves.

A wealthy young lady sits in a three-quarters pose . . . already a subtle asymmetry, in an ornate armchair, on an elevated balcony overlooking a civilisation-tamed landscape; she represents the upper class of the community that has tamed the land. Notice, how a serpentine, S-curved road just below her right shoulder ties her to the landscape and how a ridge line at the base of her neck acts as a secondary horizon and lead in. Also, the main horizon line (at viewer’s eye-level) is a little below her eyes; it is relieved by more ridges. She wears bright red, softened with dark green and translucent layers. Her reddish brown hair is similarly veiled. As a slight double-chin and well-fed hands show, she is not an exemplar of the extreme thinness equals beauty school of thought. The right hand is brought over to the left and superposed, covering her midriff — one almost suspects, she may be an expectant mother. Her eyes (note the restored highlights) look to her left . . . a subtle asymmetry that communicates lifelike movement so verisimilitude, as if she is smiling subtly with the painter or the viewer — this is not a smirk or sneer. And of course the presence of an invited narrative adds to the aesthetic power of the composition.

These classics (old and new alike) serve to show how stable a settled judgement of beauty can be. Which raises a question: what is beauty? Like unto that: are there principles of aesthetic judgement that give a rational framework, setting up objective knowledge of beauty? And, how do beauty, goodness, justice and truth align?

These are notoriously hard questions, probing aesthetics and ethics, the two main branches of axiology, the philosophical study of the valuable.

Where, yes, beauty is recognised to be valuable, even as ethics is clearly tied to moral value and goodness and truth are also valuable, worthy to be prized. It is unsurprising that the Taj Mahal was built as a mausoleum by a King to honour his beautiful, deeply loved wife (who had died in childbirth).

AmHD is a good place to start: beauty is “[a] quality or combination of qualities that gives pleasure to the mind or senses and is often associated with properties such as harmony of form or color, proportion, authenticity, and originality. “

Wikipedia first suggests that beauty is:

a property or characteristic of an animal, idea, object, person or place that provides a perceptual experience of pleasure or satisfaction. Beauty is studied as part of aesthetics, culture, social psychology, philosophy and sociology. An “ideal beauty” is an entity which is admired, or possesses features widely attributed to beauty in a particular culture, for perfection. Ugliness is the opposite of beauty.

The experience of “beauty” often involves an interpretation of some entity as being in balance and harmony with nature, which may lead to feelings of attraction and emotional well-being. Because this can be a subjective experience, it is often said that “beauty is in the eye of the beholder.” However, given the empirical observations of things that are considered beautiful often aligning with the aforementioned nature and health thereof, beauty has been stated to have levels of objectivity as well

It then continues (unsurprisingly) that ” [t]here is also evidence that perceptions of beauty are determined by natural selection; that things, aspects of people and landscapes considered beautiful are typically found in situations likely to give enhanced survival of the perceiving human’s genes.” Thus we find the concepts of unconscious programming and perception driven by blind evolutionary forces. The shadow of the ugly gulch lurks just beneath the surface.

Can these differences be resolved?

At one level, at least since Plato’s dialogue Hippias Major, it has been well known that beauty is notoriously hard to define or specify in terms of readily agreed principles. There definitely is subjectivity, but is there also objectivity? If one says no, why then are there classics?

Further, if no, then why could we lay out a cumulative pattern across time, art-form, nature and theme above that then appears exquisitely fused together in a portrait that just happens to be the most famous, classic portrait in the world?

If so, what are such and can they constitute a coherent framework that could justify the claim to objective knowledge of aesthetic value?

Hard questions, hard as there are no easy, simple readily agreed answers. And yet, the process of addressing a hard puzzle where our intuitions tell us something but it seems to be forever just beyond our grasp, is itself highly instructive. For, we know in part.

Dewitt H. Parker, in opening his 1920 textbook, Principles of Aesthetics, aptly captures the paradox:

Although some feeling for beauty is perhaps universal among men, the
same cannot be said of the understanding of beauty. The average man,
who may exercise considerable taste in personal adornment, in the
decoration of the home, or in the choice of poetry and painting, is
at a loss when called upon to tell what art is or to explain why he
calls one thing “beautiful” and another “ugly.” Even the artist and
the connoisseur, skilled to produce or accurate in judgment, are often
wanting in clear and consistent ideas about their own works or
appreciations. Here, as elsewhere, we meet the contrast between feeling
and doing, on the one hand, and knowing, on the other.

Of course, as we saw above, reflective (and perhaps, aided) observation of case studies can support an inductive process that tries to identify principles and design patterns of effective artistic or natural composition that reliably excite the beauty response. That can be quite suggestive, as we already saw:

  • symmetry,
  • balance,
  • pattern (including rhythms in space and/or time [e.g. percussion, dance]),
  • proportion (including the golden ratio phi, 1.618 etc)
  • unity or harmony (with tension and resolution), highlighting contrast,
    variety and detail,
  • subtle asymmetry,
  • focus or vision or theme,
  • verisimilitude (insight that shows/focusses a credible truth/reality)
  • echoing of familiar forms (including scaled, fractal self-symmetry),
  • skilled combination or composition
  • and more.

We may see this with greater richness by taking a side-light from literature, drama and cinema, by using the premise that art tells a story, drawing us into a fresh vision of the world, ourselves, possibilities:

Already, it is clear that beauty has in it organising principles and that coherence with variety in composition indicates that there is indeed organisation, which brings to bear purpose and thus a way in for reflective, critical discussion. From this, we reach to development of higher quality of works and growing knowledge that guides skill and intuition without stifling creativity or originality. So, credibly, there is artistic — or even, aesthetic — knowledge that turns on rational principles, which may rightly be deemed truths.

Where, as we are rational, responsible, significantly free , morally governed creatures, the ethical must also intersect.

Where also, art has a visionary, instructive function that can strongly shape a culture. So, nobility, purity and virtue are inextricably entangled with the artistic: the perverse, ill-advised, unjust or corrupting (consider here, pornography or the like, or literature, drama and cinema that teach propaganda or the techniques of vice) are issues to be faced.

And, after our initial journey, we are back home, but in a different way. We may — if we choose — begin to see how beauty, truth, knowledge, goodness and justice may all come together, and how beauty in particular is more than merely subjective taste or culturally induced preference or disguised population survival. Where also, art reflecting rational principles, purposes and value points to artist. END

PS: To document the impact of the beauty of ordinary things (we have got de-sensitised) here are people who thanks to filtering glasses are seeing (enough of) colour for the first time:

Similarly, here are people hearing for the first time:

This will be a bit more controversial, but observe these Korean plastic surgery outcomes:

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Socialist? Which site? Edit: Oh, I guess the Current Affairs website.daveS
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DS, I think that, in due proportion (and without say wrecking the Paris skyline), a modern style building can be beautiful enough to pass, especially for industrial type purposes. The sort of atrocities I collected above, do not impress me at all. They demonstrate what happens when someone knowingly violates the patterns, and it is awful. Who ever got the idea that a twisted, wrenched building or an oddly shaped die or the like would be even remotely beautiful? I find the mocking echo of a Greek column to be a sneer. They do make a statement, however: power, money and imposition whether you like it or not. And, as the site is obviously socialist, that is not just from capitalists. KFkairosfocus
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1.Creator, chooses, spiritual, existence of which is a matter of chosen opinion 2. Creation, chosen, material, existence of which is a matter of fact forced by evidence So you see subjective opinion is validated in category 1 of creationism, while objective fact is validated in category 2. That is consistent with the rules that are applied with subjective words like "beautiful" in common discourse. Subjective words are used by choice, and express what it is that makes a choice. Choosing is the mechanism of creation, how any material thing originates.mohammadnursyamsu
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Yes, mohammadnursyamsu, Ed, also know as "acartia, acartia bogart, William spearshake, wants to know. Or is it just a coincidence that every time acartia is online in another forum Ed, BB or daves is here?ET
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Creationism is universally rejected in academics while subjectivity is an inherently creationist concept.
How so?Ed George
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I award the Taj Mahol 100 Beaut-Ls. See here. Barry Arrington
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Ed George:
you only have to walk down the Main Street of any city to see the subjective nature of beauty. Variously colored hair, body piercings, tattoos, pants hanging off the ass, etc.
Who said those are supposed to represent beauty? Why don't they just represent someone's personal fare?ET
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To say society is becoming more subjectivist in it's sense of beauty is quite absurd. Creationism is universally rejected in academics while subjectivity is an inherently creationist concept. I tried for years trying to find anyone on internet forums who accepts the validity of subjectivity, to no avail. The whole category of the spirirtual domain is rejected for the precise reason that there is no evidence at all for the spiritual domain. The concept of subjectivity has become mangled to make it into a subcategory of objective fact. To say a painting is beautiful, has become to be understood as stating a FACT that a love for the way the painting looks, exists in the brain. Subjective statements therefore has become a subcategory of facts, namely facts about brainstates. Objective patterns relating to beauty, probably it has to do with the mathematical way in which the mind works. The beauty is at the agency of a choice. Probably the objective patterns of beauty correspond with an organization of decisionmaking processes in the mind. Also it seems that the form of the opposite sex is inherent in the mind, which makes it easier to imagine the form of the opposite sex, making the opposite sex come alive in imagination, without much effort.mohammadnursyamsu
March 12, 2019
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KF, On the "eyesores" page, I got the answer to the Barcelona hospital question wrong. At least I think I did. I find the "world's most beautiful hospital" to be hideous, while at least the plain one is not offensive and *looks* like a hospital. I'm in agreement with most of the other examples.daveS
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F/N: I have added a collection of eyesores that show by way of absurdities that are chaotic or out of sync with surroundings just how rejection of the aesthetic principles actually (at cumulatively billion dollar cost) inadvertently demonstrates the validity of said principles. KF PS: Also, a modern reconstruction of Mona Lisa, with some remarks.kairosfocus
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H and EG: There is a world of difference between taste and sound aesthetics, whether individual or culturally dominant. Indeed, one speaks about the refining of taste, of (in the bad sense) popular or vulgar tastes, which tend to be overly sensualised and gaudy. I note here, a common feeling that the 1970's were the decade that taste forgot. The very fact that we can see how such can be identified as inadequate and can point to how matters may be improved, speaks. We do contrast the crude and unskilled from the skilled, refined and well balanced. Again, the repellent impact of ever so much Modern and Post Modern architectural monstrosities speaks. The moderns went for overly blocky or otherwise geometrically over-simplified patterns, leading to stylistic incongruities . . . often in a context of dominance because of size. (In some cases, they went for the economic advantage of scaling laws, but missed out on the effect that would have.) The function first approach led to an industrial, ugly factory-like effect, which BTW often subtly alienates those who have to live or work with or in such things. In this context, reflective glass (which echoes the calming, mirror like qualities of undisturbed ponds or rivers) fails to have a calming effect. The metaphor of sexual assault has often been noted, especially for skyscrapers; one such -- a Russian communications monitoring tower -- has been seen as a case in point, being so dominant and incongruous that it becomes a message in itself . . . so, no, it is not just the Capitalists. The lack of rich, fractal-like detail is so unnatural and the scale so intimidating that it sends a message of uncaring domination. It is interesting, how plants have been used to try to soften the effect -- plants are very fractal and natural. BTW, tanks have much the same brutal effect and are difficult to conceal because of how they stand out from the natural. Notice, here, how camouflage patterns and netting with branches etc were used to try to hide them. Camouflaged uniforms and Ghillie suits for snipers are again an interesting side-light. With Po Mo, the resort to the outright bizarre and utterly asymmetrical by way of claimed originality, pushed the volume knob to eleven. The effect was to demonstrate by undeniable inadvertent counter-example just how powerful the sort of aesthetic principles that were highlighted are. Again, simply look as linked. Indeed, I will add to the cluster of cases in the OP to illustrate by counter-example. Prince Charles had a serious point. KFkairosfocus
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Hazel@57, you only have to walk down the Main Street of any city to see the subjective nature of beauty. Variously colored hair, body piercings, tattoos, pants hanging off the ass, etc. These are all beautiful to some. As is country music, rap, punk, classical, blues, reggae, etc. But not beautiful to all. So much for objective beauty.Ed George
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I imagine the Omo think they are beautiful when they decorate themselves, and distort (from our point of view) their lips and earlobes. Are you saying that they are "incoherent, eccentric, oddball, lopsided, [and] bizarre", since you liken them to the buildings you linked to?hazel
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PK, the subject-IVE is a matter of the experience of a subject. That experience may be idiosyncratic, delusional, or reflective of object-IVE reality. We have already looked at this in the context of Mathematics, and I again commend to you the exercise of cutting cylindrical paper loops and two mobius loops, the first two, around in the middle, the third, 1/3 way in from one side. The three different results will demonstrate how a seemingly mental construct is embedded in space and bodies. Coming back to beauty, we experience a beauty reaction in the face of certain things. It turns out that such things tend to reflect clusters of properties such as in the OP. To see what happens when an art (architecture) deliberately rejects coherence etc, see here: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/10/why-you-hate-contemporary-architecture The pictures of incoherent, eccentric, oddball, lopsided, bizarre buildings will speak volumes. KFkairosfocus
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H, I suggest, again, a look here: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/10/why-you-hate-contemporary-architecture KFkairosfocus
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@Stephen B #46 You seem to use the word subjective to mean that different people can have different takes on an experience. By that usage, your statements make sense. I use the word subjective to mean something that does not even exist outside of human thought. I use the word objective to mean that something does have ontological existence outside of human thought, and would exist even if humans did not exist. A sunset is objectively real. A person's experience of beauty in reaction to that sunset is subjective, by my usage of the word.Pater Kimbridge
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Beautiful Omo peoplehazel
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SB, there is subjectivity in experience of beauty, and there is objectivity in principles and patterns of beauty. KF
Correct. The subject experiences the object of experience (a transcendental) which is, in this case, a beautiful pattern. The human experience of beauty depends on the existence of the beautiful thing; the existence of the beautiful thing does not depend on the human experience of beauty. The transcendental must exist (logically and chronologically) before it can be experienced.StephenB
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Likewise, there are patterns in the universe that sometimes are associated with aesthetically pleasing experiences in humans. But if you remove the humans, there is no longer an experience of beauty or pleasure.
The human experience of beauty depends on the existence of the beautiful thing; the existence of the beautiful thing does not depend on the human experience of beauty.StephenB
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F/N: I could rest my case with this collection of eyesores: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/10/why-you-hate-contemporary-architecture KFkairosfocus
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SB, there is subjectivity in experience of beauty, and there is objectivity in principles and patterns of beauty. KFkairosfocus
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PS: Let me adjust:
I don’t see how anyone can say that beauty [--> the world we live in] is objective given the fact that we all perceive it differently. I see beauty [--> the world we live in] in different combinations of color in a painting, but does a person who is color blind see the same beauty [--> the world we live in]? I doubt it.
See the problems? Subjectivity and diversity of perspectives does not imply that there is no objective reality. Likewise, a colour-blind person recognises that he has a defect of vision. The reaction on putting on the new filtering spectacles speaks volumes. Can someone be beauty-blind? Yes. Can someone be blind to well founded principles and patterns? Yes also. We have subjective awareness, we have capability to inquire, reason and warrant. The result is subjective knowledge of objective truths. The two go together, they are not opposites.kairosfocus
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EG, I laid out facts of context. Please note, particular tastes of an individual or culture are not equal to beauty or sound aesthetics. Many a Mansion or Sculpture or Public building is an aesthetic disaster. That is demonstrably so for the more bizarre post-modern exercises that seek arbitrary uniqueness and end up as Emperor has no clothes absurdities. By utter sharp contrast, the Vietnam Memorial wall is tragically beautiful through using the same principles. Polished black rock carries with it an aesthetic all of its own. KFkairosfocus
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Only your mind can interpret it as beauty, hence beauty is purely subjective.
If beauty was purely subjective, anyone could win a beauty contest, but only a few can. If beauty was purely subjective, anyone could be a concert pianist, but only a few can. So beauty is mostly objective. On the other hand, beauty is partly subjective because not everyone agrees on which beautiful woman is the most beautiful of all, and not everyone agrees on which concert pianist produces the most beautiful music, though anyone can recognize a dud. On the whole, beauty is about 80% objective and 20% subjective.StephenB
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EG, we are here and for many millennia have shown the aesthetic response, which pivots on intelligible, readily demonstrable aesthetic patterns, principles and styles. Yes, people can also do some fairly ugly things (often, to get a fearsome image that wards off the evil spirits or for sub cultures repels the rejected out-group) -- no one implies that good taste or refined aesthetics are universal, even within our own communities. I find many Japanese car designs anything but attractive, especially when they get a little garish or overly buggy in appearance. But that does not mean there is no intelligible aesthetic difference between such and a real head-turner. To be concrete, I find the mid 200's RAV4 far more aesthetically pleasing than many later models, and I thought the 1990's models a little too cutesy. But then, I love great Celtic illustrated manuscripts and have played with calligraphy. I have already written about two young ladies of my acquaintance. And BTW, has anyone noticed the story in the Mona Lisa, which may be read from its visual composition -- a subtle part of its beauty? Start from sitting in an ornate arm-chair on a balcony high above a landscape with human, technological features. And of course, Lisa has a slight bit of a double chin and noticeably well fed fingers . . . super-skinny is not equal to beauty or charm. KFkairosfocus
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Am I the only one who sees the Taj Mahal and the Notre Dame Rose Window as remarkable feats of design and engineering rather than objectively beautiful pieces? Similarly, I see rocky seascapes as being beatiful but mountain ranges as just being impressive. Admittedly, subjective distinctions, and I wouldn’t take offence at anyone who sees the opposite, but I think that just makes my point. From my few conversations with Hazel, I’m sure that she sees a certain beauty in mathematics. Whereas I don’t see the same beauty (no offence intended, Hazel). I don’t see how anyone can say that beauty is objective given the fact that we all perceive it differently. I see beauty in different combinations of color in a painting, but does a person who is color blind see the same beauty? I doubt it.Ed George
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KF@35, so, you still have not taken the logical next step and asks me why I posed the “what if” question. Rather, you doubled and tripled down on ascribing my motives for posing it. Obviously, there is little point in continuing to try to discuss this with you. Bye.Ed George
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DS, repeating the already corrected will not suddenly establish what already failed. We are a community of the intelligent who recognise and enjoy many varieties of beauty. That beauty, through many cases, shows consistent, intelligible principles and compositional patterns that successfully fuse them. This has been so for thousands of years, across many arts and civilisations. Indeed, the classic cave paintings of old are among the many cases of exemplification of the principles -- which have had to be preserved from the impact of the great numbers who came to admire them. I forgot, at a lower level, they did find a cave man wearing fur clothing. It turns out, they were clearly tailored (then patched by a far less expert hand -- maybe our man fallen on hard times). Such is warrant for holding them objective and even as causal factors, especially as we can see cases of spoiled and restored or repaired beauty. The issue of harmony amidst diversity is of course a particularly relevant point as it speaks to a well known major philosophical challenge: the one and the many. KFkairosfocus
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This is like the question of whether a falling tree makes a sound if there is nobody in the forest. The reason it seems like a paradox is that we have lumped the entire idea into one word, "sound". If we realize that the falling tree likely generates acoustic energy waves, but that these do not become "sound" until there is a person or animal there to hear it, then the paradox is no longer. Likewise, there are patterns in the universe that sometimes are associated with aesthetically pleasing experiences in humans. But if you remove the humans, there is no longer an experience of beauty or pleasure. Conflating the patterns with the experience is called a "confusion".Pater Kimbridge
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Google "pictures of Omo people" for some perspective.hazel
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