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News flash: Apparently, the “enemies of science” know science as well as other people


In “Science and religion: A false divide” ( Los Angeles Times, October 10, 2011), sociologist John H. Evans advises,

On most issues, there is very little conflict between religion and science.

Thanks for patronizing most North Americans, buddy. Now are we supposed to put out our hats so you can put change into them?

What if we don’t need it? Is there a really polite way of just saying no, refusing the change?

I recently conducted survey research comparing the most conservative of Protestants — those who identify with a conservative Protestant denomination, attend church regularly and take the Bible literally, or about 11% of the population in my analysis — with those who do not participate in any religion. The conservative Protestants are equally likely to understand scientific methods, to know scientific facts and to claim knowledge of science. They are as likely as the nonreligious to have majored in science or to have a scientific occupation. While other studies have shown that the elite scientists who work at the 20 top research universities are less religious than the public, it appears that the vast majority of people with workaday scientific occupations are like their neighbors, religiously speaking.

But we knew this. Normal people do.

The rest is mainly ignorable, but get this: “To move forward, we, as a country, need to lower the political conflict.”

Why? For technical reasons, most UD news staff arrange to be out of town and out of range during US elections. But if there is a big difference between what the elite believe and what the public believes about ultimate issues, and the elite are flexing their muscles against the public, the political conflict cannot be lowered unless the public surrenders. But why should it? Has the right to nominate, or to vote, been abolished yet?

Maybe. Memo never got here.

Kind of reminds me of what Ed Sisson wrote in an excellent article on the AITSE website. "..an existing theory may be false for reasons evident to any rational layperson. There may be inherent conflicts in its underlying logic or it may rely on falsified assumptions, etc., which a reasoning mind can identify..." Caroline Crocker
As well it seems, 'enemies of science' (Theists) are more rational than 'friends of science' (Atheists);
Look Who's Irrational Now Excerpt: "What Americans Really Believe," a comprehensive new study released by Baylor University yesterday, shows that traditional Christian religion greatly decreases belief in everything from the efficacy of palm readers to the usefulness of astrology. It also shows that the irreligious and the members of more liberal Protestant denominations, far from being resistant to superstition, tend to be much more likely to believe in the paranormal and in pseudoscience than evangelical Christians. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122178219865054585.html A 2008 Scripps-Howard Ohio University poll also showed that “People who have attended church recently and who identify themselves as born-again Evangelical Protestants are much less likely to have seen UFOs or to believe in the possibility of extraterrestrial intelligence than people with little or no involvement with organized religion.” http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/will_science_banish_superstition_for_ever/
I guess this heightened irrationality of Atheists explains the following studies:
When Atheists Are Angry at God - 2011 Excerpt: I’ve never been angry at unicorns. It’s unlikely you’ve ever been angry at unicorns either.,, The one social group that takes exception to this rule is atheists. They claim to believe that God does not exist and yet, according to empirical studies, tend to be the people most angry at him. http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2011/01/when-atheists-are-angry-at-god
Maybe they are angry because science is impossible without God in the first place? bornagain77
Off topic note to paragwinn. Since you said that you are more interested in 'entertainment' from me than actual scientific evidence, here you go:
Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTWKbfoikeg
Please note the last words in the song Yeah a denial, A denial! bornagain77
The figure 11% I suspect is more accurate for Evangelical Christian people. The conservative tag is poor. Yes we are solidly middle class and educated as such. We compare fine with anyone relative to American identity and motivations. Yes there is only conflict over a certain number of conclusions made in the 'historical" "sciences". Thats all. not grandma's lung medicine. We accuse origin subjects of not doing actual science and they accuse us of not understanding or accepting science. We need a scientist to figure out what is cranking everyones gears. These people are just complaining we don't take them on their authority about certain conclusions. We demand them to prove their case . We already know the truth.! Always I find the bad guys don't deliver substantial evidence or understand they are not doing it. Degrees on the wall are not evidenced!!! Evolutionism is going to fall down in our time. something else, perhaps not friendly to YEC, will take its place. Robert Byers

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