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UK’s Daily Mail reports:

They also provide a map:

A concern is that mild cases are masked under the common cold, and that the incubation period may be up to four weeks or thereabouts, not the fortnight that has been used hitherto. They are not finding a “patient zero” for some of these outbreaks, which is why there is talk of un-traceability and climbing towards pandemic.

On the design front there is speculation that the genome has traces of engineering, and that people may have not been incinerating animals in a biological lab near Wuhan, but illegally disposing of them in the bush meat trade. Speculation, not confirmation.

It will be interesting to see the criteria by which they might detect engineering. However, the very fact that there is a thought that such can be identified, is interesting. So, then, what of the use of coded language and algorithms in DNA, from the outset of cell based life?

Something, to keep an eye on. END

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JVL:
How would you figure out whether it was designed?
How many times do I have to answer that? 1- Nature cannot produce coding RNA 2- Nature cannot produce proteins 3- COVID-19 contains both
But, as you said, I might change the countermeasures depending on where it came from.
Except that I never said that.
So . . . what tests could be run to determine if COVID-19 was designed?
1- Nature cannot produce coding RNA 2- Nature cannot produce proteins 3- COVID-19 contains bothET
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ET: No, I don’t. Well unless that knowledge will help us fight it. So . . . it does matter! How would you figure out whether it was designed? But if nature is doing it you don’t care? Really? I didn't say that! But, as you said, I might change the countermeasures depending on where it came from. So . . . what tests could be run to determine if COVID-19 was designed?JVL
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JVL:
You don’t think it matters if it was designed or not?
No, I don't. Well unless that knowledge will help us fight it.
If some designer was trying to kill off a proportion of humanity I’d like to know about it!!
But if nature is doing it you don't care? Really?ET
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@50 JVL
If some designer was trying to kill off a proportion of humanity I’d like to know about it!!
If human intelligence has a role in 'nature' we all would like to know about it. An intelligence that can save lots of lives. -Case scenario 1: SARS-Cov-2 encounters a human immune system. Selective pressures acting here: _____ -Case scenario 2: SARS-Cov-2 encounters a drug synthesized using human intelligence and lots of resources. Its numbers are dramatically reduced. Selective pressures acting here: _____ Role of the intelligent agent (human):_____Truthfreedom
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3- COVID-19 contains both So . . . it was designed? ET: And it doesn’t matter if it was designed or evolved. All that matters is how we deal with it You don't think it matters if it was designed or not? I would think that would be a pretty important issue. If some designer was trying to kill off a proportion of humanity I'd like to know about it!!JVL
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1- Nature cannot produce coding RNA 2- Nature cannot produce proteins 3- COVID-19 contains both 4- Viruses May Be Harmful, Helpful, or Passengers And it doesn't matter if it was designed or evolved. All that matters is how we deal with itET
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ET: And we have evolved, too. The ACE2 isn’t necessarily the same now as it was originally designed So . . . you think it was designed? Okay. What was it designed for? How can you determine that it no longer fulfils the original design?JVL
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ET: Mutations happen. Evolution happens. Mistakes happen. A once good virus could evolve into a deadly version- just by accident. So . . . COVID-19 in particular . . . how do you decide if it's designed or some bad degradation? What tests would you run to make that determination? What would be an example of a 'good' virus?JVL
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And we have evolved, too. The ACE2 isn't necessarily the same now as it was originally designedET
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JVL- Mutations happen. Evolution happens. Mistakes happen. A once good virus could evolve into a deadly version- just by accident.ET
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ET: Nature cannot produce coding RNA. Nature cannot produce proteins. COVID-19 has both. So . . . COVID-19 shows signs of being designed? Was it specifically designed or was it the result of a design 'gone bad'? This is just a science question.JVL
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@39 JVL Is a drug/ vaccine against SARS-Cov-2 designed? Yes/ no. Role of the drug/ vaccine in the process. _____ Role of the intelligence involved. _____ - Is it 'natural' selection or 'artificial' selection? It has to be something, and the answer needs to be logical. I am not being snarky. Not a single naturalist has replied it without resorting to logical contradictions and, when those have been pointed, evasives/ dismission. (Dogmatic behavior).Truthfreedom
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JVL- How can we determine if nature didit? Nature cannot produce coding RNA. Nature cannot produce proteins. COVID-19 has both.ET
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I promise to take all responses seriously and with respect. I’m not asking a question just to prove a point. I’m really interested in the views you all have.JVL
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Here’s another approach: if life shows signs of design and viruses are a kind of life (debatable, I know. Debate it. ) then by what criteria can you determine whether COVID-19 is designed or not?JVL
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Question: is COVID-19 designed? Yes or no? What’s your evidence? I’m not trying to be sarky, I think this is a good case for considering the data. You may disagree and that would be good to hear.JVL
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@37 Kairosfocus:
What a difference a month makes!!!!!!
Can our atheist/ materialist friends weight us some time? Months, weeks, hours, minutes and seconds are mental abstractions. No one has seen them.Truthfreedom
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What a difference a month makes!!!!!!kairosfocus
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How has Trump bungled this? Any coward can make false accusations.ET
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There is no doubt that Trump has bungled this. He is more worried about how it affects his re-election than how it affects the lives of millions of citizens.Ed George
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Dow Futures on Globex were up 200 before Trump’s speech. During & after Trump talked the futures fell 1,000 points and hit a ‘circuit breaker’ and trading was halted.Jim Thibodeau
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Trump is canceling flights between the US and Europe, the NBA just suspended the season because a player got it, the DJIA has fallen 20% and during Trump’s speech tonight Dow futures went from positive to negative. We’ve tested fewer than 10,000 people and we’ve got over 1300 confirmed cases here now. Epidemiologists are now estimating between 20 and 50% of Americans will get it. And the Trump administration is in court trying to get millions of people’s ACA policies cancelled.Jim Thibodeau
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JT, those are serious numbers. KFkairosfocus
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The CDC is estimating the mortality rate at about 3.2%. It’s really hard to say, because of the 80,000 cases mostly in China, 50,000 of them haven’t resolved yet. The WHO and some other institutions are estimating that this will be a global pandemic that could infect between 40 and 70% of the world’s population. If you’re an elderly male or a smoker you should be very concerned.Jim Thibodeau
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KF, 29: The basic disrespect for the ordinary person is indefensible and yet all too common. Thank you for making that clear. That's what took me awhile to realise must be the case. You sometimes make your points in ways dissimilar to my own style and, in this case, I wanted to be sure of your implications. My fear is that Boris Johnson, in particular, doesn't really care about the ordinary people in Great Britain and is just pursuing his boyhood ambition to be Prime Minister. We'll know more later, hopefully before the common good is set back. Even more hopefully the PM really is the person he claims to be. Anyway, we can leave the topic for now.JVL
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JVL, The basic disrespect for the ordinary person is indefensible and yet all too common. Don't forget, Christian probably was not originally a term of respect. KFkairosfocus
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KF, 27: Again, I'm not sure why you chose to use the term "hoi polloi". We're you personally casting aspirations on the "common folk" or making fun of those who do? I'm guess the later . . . but it's not completely clear.JVL
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JVL, very much so. there is a tendency of elites to disdain the ordinary person and his/her common sense. This leads to a politics of manipulation, indoctrination and outright deceit. Note, Plato's analysis in Ship of State, in which the people are the strong but half- blind, half- deaf and technically incapable owner/captain, and the manipulative pols are the mutinous, looter crew. Breaking out of that trap has been one of the major challenges of governance for 2500 years or more. the best solution I know is sound primary and secondary education systems backed up by sound newspapers [yes, old fashioned print] that serve as the people's college and watchdogs, promoting sound public opinion. That is what has become increasingly subverted in our time. With sadly predictable consequences, if unchecked. KF PS: I notice a term conspicuous by absence from Wikipedia: deplorables.kairosfocus
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KF, 24: You do realise that 'hoi polloi' usually has negative connotations? From Wikipedia:
In English, it has been given a negative connotation to signify deprecation of the working class, commoners, the masses or common people in a derogatory or (more often today) ironic sense. Synonyms for hoi polloi, which also express the same or similar distaste for the common people felt by those who believe themselves to be superior, include "the plebeians" or "plebs", "the rabble", "the masses", "the dregs of society", "riffraff", "the herd", "the canaille", "the proles" (proletariat), "the great unwashed", and "peons".
Perhpas you meant to be disparaging? I'm not sure to be honest. I thought you were supportive of the populist movements. Maybe that impression was incorrect. That would change the way I interpreted your comments.JVL
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JS01, you left off the families living with animals and the taste for bush meat. That is said to be a factor in C Africa where other threatened pandemics have emerged. KF PS The speculation I saw is noted in OP.kairosfocus
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