Uncommon Descent Serving The Intelligent Design Community

Experts: “Epigenetics can drive genetics”

Share
Facebook
Twitter
LinkedIn
Flipboard
Print
Email

From ScienceDaily:

Washington State University researchers say environmental factors are having an underappreciated effect on the course of disease and evolution by prompting genetic mutations through epigenetics, a process by which genes are turned on and off independent of an organism’s DNA sequence.

Their assertion is a dramatic shift in how we might think of disease and evolution’s underlying biology and “changes how we think about where things come from,” said Michael Skinner, founding director of the Center for Reproductive Biology in WSU’s School of Biological Sciences.

Why does this remind one of Further to “Philosopher of science: Schoolbook Darwinism needs replacement” (Witzany: All these concepts that dominated science for half a century are falsified now)?

This, said Skinner, suggests that environment has a more important role in mutations, disease and evolution than previously appreciated, and appears to be one of the main drivers of intergenerational changes, not simply a passive component. In short, Skinner and his colleagues say, the environment and epigenetics can drive genetics.

Exciting times.

Here’s the abstract:

A variety of environmental factors have been shown to induce the epigenetic transgenerational inheritance of disease and phenotypic variation. This involves the germline transmission of epigenetic information between generations. Exposure specific transgenerational sperm epimutations have been previously observed. The current study was designed to investigate the potential role genetic mutations have in the process, using copy number variations (CNV). In the first (F1) generation following exposure, negligible CNV were identified; however, in the transgenerational F3 generation, a significant increase in CNV was observed in the sperm. The genome-wide locations of differential DNA methylation regions (epimutations) and genetic mutations (CNV) were investigated. Observations suggest the environmental induction of the epigenetic transgenerational inheritance of sperm epimutations promote genome instability, such that genetic CNV mutations are acquired in later generations. A combination of epigenetics and genetics is suggested to be involved in the transgenerational phenotypes. The ability of environmental factors to promote epigenetic inheritance that subsequently promotes genetic mutations is a significant advance in our understanding of how the environment impacts disease and evolution. (Public access) – Michael K Skinner, Carlos Guerrero-Bosagna, M Muksitul Haque. Environmentally induced epigenetic transgenerational inheritance of sperm epimutations promote genetic mutations. Epigenetics, 2015; 10 (8): 762 DOI: 10.1080/15592294.2015.1062207

See also: Larry Moran misses the point about Gunther Witzany. (The perspective of the critics of the modern synthesis—so far from being shunned—is now one that attracts an “outer circle.” Hardly the sign of a failing cause.)

Note: Moran also misses the point about interviewer Suzan Mazur, of whom he says dismissive things. When journalists who publish in key venues become interested in an otherwise obscure train wreck, we can reasonably suspect that a shift is taking place. That’ why we call it “news” and not “olds.”

Follow UD News at Twitter!

Comments
Carpathian, You are engaging in a 'No true Scotsman' argument. Whatever is presented to you, is not enough. It is never enough. You are fixated on your opinion and do not wish to look afresh on your own position. It is your choice, mate.EugeneS
August 13, 2015
August
08
Aug
13
13
2015
11:48 AM
11
11
48
AM
PDT
Carpathian:
I don’t think asking how ID is possible is a strawman.
ID isn't about the "how". Your position is and it can't answer the questions pertaining to "how".
I’d like to see how students in a class would react to an answer like that when they ask questions.
ID wouldn't be taught in third grade.
If you can’t answer the questions of the little kids, how are you going to answer the questions of the big kids?
Big kids ask coherent and relevant questions.Virgil Cain
August 13, 2015
August
08
Aug
13
13
2015
11:23 AM
11
11
23
AM
PDT
Carpathian:
Do you understand that evolution doesn’t search? There is no target.
Do you understand that you just admitted unguided evolution is impotent?
No intelligent agent can see the future,..
You don't know that.
which is what will be required for something on the scale of biological ID.
That is only your opinion.
One mistake in any organism you design might lead to world-wide extinction.
Talk about moronic absolute extremes...
ID however, needs to introduce a design all at once, due to IC,
BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Intelligent agencies produce IC step-by-step all of the time.Virgil Cain
August 13, 2015
August
08
Aug
13
13
2015
11:21 AM
11
11
21
AM
PDT
Carpie:
Do you understand that evolution doesn’t search?
Moron.Mapou
August 13, 2015
August
08
Aug
13
13
2015
11:15 AM
11
11
15
AM
PDT
Mapou:
Do you understand the concept of combinatorial explosion? Do you understand the concept of an exponent? The search space of the human genome is 4 raised to 2 billion! This means that the chance of using a random search algorithm (RM+NS) to arrive at the human genome is exactly ZERO.
Do you understand the concept of evolution? Do you understand that evolution doesn't search? There is no target. When you have an argument against evolution , present it.
Live with it, moron.
If ID gets taught in schools, will you introduce this sort of language when teaching it?Carpathian
August 13, 2015
August
08
Aug
13
13
2015
11:10 AM
11
11
10
AM
PDT
Box:
So tell me, what does Darwinism / evolution have that advanced alien scientists cannot have? Which necessary Godlike capabilities does evolution have that advanced alien scientists cannot possibly have?
All the negatives that we see in human design, would exist for the aliens on a bigger scale with something as complex as biology. Read all the following and think about how you would do it if tomorrow, you had the ability to design any organism you want. No intelligent agent can see the future, which is what will be required for something on the scale of biological ID. One mistake in any organism you design might lead to world-wide extinction. Evolution does not have this problem since most changes get eliminated due to failure to survive before they can take hold in an ecosystem. ID however, needs to introduce a design all at once, due to IC, in a large quantity since a new design will only mate with another of its population. In evolution, small changes still allow mating until differences become large between groups. Since we are not talking about God, but aliens, mistakes will be made and there needs to be a way to fix a design that has already been introduced. How would you do that to millions of individuals spread out over thousands of square miles? I've said it before that Creationism by God is more likely than ID by aliens.Carpathian
August 13, 2015
August
08
Aug
13
13
2015
11:04 AM
11
11
04
AM
PDT
Darwinian evolution is so stupid, Karl Popper called it a "metaphysical research project". ahaha...ahahaha...AHAHAHA...ahahaha...Mapou
August 13, 2015
August
08
Aug
13
13
2015
11:04 AM
11
11
04
AM
PDT
Carpie:
Why don’t you show me how stupid I am by showing me that ID is more likely than Darwinism.
Do you understand the concept of combinatorial explosion? Do you understand the concept of an exponent? The search space of the human genome is 4 raised to 2 billion! This means that the chance of using a random search algorithm (RM+NS) to arrive at the human genome is exactly ZERO. Now intelligent engineering can solve the problem because it eliminates almost the entire search space and focuses on what's relevant. This is the reason that ID is, not just more likely than Darwinism, but is the only possible solution. Live with it, moron. [edit] For comparison, the number of particles in the universe is estimated to be 10^85. Compare that to 4^(2 billion).Mapou
August 13, 2015
August
08
Aug
13
13
2015
10:57 AM
10
10
57
AM
PDT
Virgil Cain:
Carpathian: No one has even thought of the questions to ask. Virgil Cain: I am sure there are other little kids asking the same questions.
If you can't answer the questions of the little kids, how are you going to answer the questions of the big kids?Carpathian
August 13, 2015
August
08
Aug
13
13
2015
10:44 AM
10
10
44
AM
PDT
Virgil Cain:
Carpathian: No IDist has ever posted anything on that. Virgil Cain: We have better things to do than to hump your strawman.
I don't think asking how ID is possible is a strawman. I'd like to see how students in a class would react to an answer like that when they ask questions.Carpathian
August 13, 2015
August
08
Aug
13
13
2015
10:42 AM
10
10
42
AM
PDT
EugeneS:
[From the article] The new organism is based on an existing bacterium that causes mastitis in goats, but at its core is an entirely synthetic genome that was constructed from chemicals in the laboratory.
It's not from scratch. More importantly, there is nothing that indicates he has done any work at all at the effects his modification will do in an ecosystem if released. The logistics of introducing an organism is many times more complex than building it because other organisms will react to it. Something like this is nowhere close to designing something like a predatory bird or mammal that will be introduced into an ecosystem.Carpathian
August 13, 2015
August
08
Aug
13
13
2015
10:37 AM
10
10
37
AM
PDT
Carp: ID has been commenting for years on the improbability of “Darwinism” but has never computed the improbability of creating life without the abilities of God. When you do, you’ll find it’s less probable than “Darwinism”.
So tell me, what does Darwinism / evolution have that advanced alien scientists cannot have? Which necessary Godlike capabilities does evolution have that advanced alien scientists cannot possibly have?Box
August 13, 2015
August
08
Aug
13
13
2015
10:36 AM
10
10
36
AM
PDT
Mapou:
I can never figure out how Darwinists can be so stupid and yet somehow managed to take over the institutions of learning. Carpie is a case in point. It is time to kick them out.
It sounds like you like the idea of censorship. I don't. I think everyone should see the ID argument. Why don't you show me how stupid I am by showing me that ID is more likely than Darwinism. Since you've determined that I am stupid for taking a non-ID position, you must have the answers to the questions I have asked other IDists. Pretend I am a student in a class and "Darwinism" has been removed from the curriculum. Just outline the steps you would need to determine when and where a new biological organism is required in an ecosystem. Show how you would determine its impact on other organisms already in that ecosystem. Show me that ID is possible . If you can't, then I the student will assume that ID isn't science.Carpathian
August 13, 2015
August
08
Aug
13
13
2015
10:26 AM
10
10
26
AM
PDT
I can never figure out how Darwinists can be so stupid and yet somehow managed to take over the institutions of learning. Carpie is a case in point. It is time to kick them out.Mapou
August 13, 2015
August
08
Aug
13
13
2015
10:00 AM
10
10
00
AM
PDT
Carpathian- According to evolutionism all mutations are accidents, errors and/ or mistakes. Natural selection is blind and without purpose. And if "darwinism" or "neo-darwinism" had something then no one would have to calculate probabilities.Virgil Cain
August 13, 2015
August
08
Aug
13
13
2015
09:38 AM
9
09
38
AM
PDT
Box:
You seem to forget your main argument — which is that blind non-telic uncomprehending particles in motion can do it. I mean, why argue that an advanced alien scientist can’t do what utter stupidity — blind particles in motion — can do?
"Utter stupidity" and "blind particles" is not "evolution" but simply a strawman to make ID seem a favorable alternative. ID has been commenting for years on the improbability of "Darwinism" but has never computed the improbability of creating life without the abilities of God. When you do, you'll find it's less probable than "Darwinism".Carpathian
August 13, 2015
August
08
Aug
13
13
2015
09:31 AM
9
09
31
AM
PDT
Carpathian, "It can’t be done, because it’s impossible." Well, at least something already can be done (irrespective of its ethical side). http://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/may/20/craig-venter-synthetic-life-form This is proof of concept for ID and another blow against naturalism in its current form.EugeneS
August 13, 2015
August
08
Aug
13
13
2015
02:16 AM
2
02
16
AM
PDT
UB #36, Spot on.EugeneS
August 13, 2015
August
08
Aug
13
13
2015
02:11 AM
2
02
11
AM
PDT
Box #55, Excellent!EugeneS
August 13, 2015
August
08
Aug
13
13
2015
01:49 AM
1
01
49
AM
PDT
Carp: It [creating organisms] is not only beyond the ability of us, it is also beyond the ability of anyone but someone with the attributes of God.
You seem to forget your main argument — which is that blind non-telic uncomprehending particles in motion can do it. I mean, why argue that an advanced alien scientist can't do what utter stupidity — blind particles in motion — can do?Box
August 12, 2015
August
08
Aug
12
12
2015
03:41 PM
3
03
41
PM
PDT
Virgil Cain @53, LOLMapou
August 12, 2015
August
08
Aug
12
12
2015
03:25 PM
3
03
25
PM
PDT
Carpathian:
It is not only beyond the ability of us, it is also beyond the ability of anyone but someone with the attributes of God.
That's your opinion.
Not even the aliens you once mentioned can do it because of the difficulties involved in the logistics.
Your opinion is not an argument.
No IDist has ever posted anything on that.
We have better things to do than to hump your strawman.
How would you determine what to do?
Break it all down and lay it all out. Engineering 101.
No one has even thought of the questions to ask.
I am sure there are other little kids asking the same questions.Virgil Cain
August 12, 2015
August
08
Aug
12
12
2015
03:03 PM
3
03
03
PM
PDT
Virgil Cain:
Only an imbecile on an agenda would ask us to do something that is beyond the current capability of humans. Enter Carpathian.
It is not only beyond the ability of us, it is also beyond the ability of anyone but someone with the attributes of God. Not even the aliens you once mentioned can do it because of the difficulties involved in the logistics. No IDist has ever posted anything on that. Just show the logistics side. How would you determine what to do? How tightly coupled is your ecosystem? How much energy flows into that ecosystem that can be used by the organisms that inhabit it? No one has even thought of the questions to ask.Carpathian
August 12, 2015
August
08
Aug
12
12
2015
12:50 PM
12
12
50
PM
PDT
Carpathian:
Design a biological organism from scratch and roll it out into an ecosystem.
Only an imbecile on an agenda would ask us to do something that is beyond the current capability of humans. Enter Carpathian.Virgil Cain
August 12, 2015
August
08
Aug
12
12
2015
12:38 PM
12
12
38
PM
PDT
velikovskys- Design is a mechanism. Look up the words in a dictionary.Virgil Cain
August 12, 2015
August
08
Aug
12
12
2015
12:37 PM
12
12
37
PM
PDT
Mapou:
Pack it, Carpie. LOL
I'll put that in the ID Teacher's Guide too! :)Carpathian
August 12, 2015
August
08
Aug
12
12
2015
12:21 PM
12
12
21
PM
PDT
Virgi: velikovskys- Intelligent design is a “how”. For example, you can build something by intelligent design or just throw it together willy-nilly. They both are an aspect of a mechanism, not the actual mechanism.velikovskys
August 12, 2015
August
08
Aug
12
12
2015
12:10 PM
12
12
10
PM
PDT
Pack it, Carpie. LOLMapou
August 12, 2015
August
08
Aug
12
12
2015
12:05 PM
12
12
05
PM
PDT
Mapou:
You people are stupid as sh!t.
Good tactic. Sentences like this should be in all ID teachers toolbox. Whenever a teacher can't answer a question, blame the student. This will happen in all ID classes multiple times a day.Carpathian
August 12, 2015
August
08
Aug
12
12
2015
11:41 AM
11
11
41
AM
PDT
Carpie:
Design a biological organism from scratch and roll it out into an ecosystem. It can’t be done, because it’s impossible.
I don't know who you are but it would not surprise me if you are some well-known evolutionist or other. You people are stupid as sh!t. Adios.Mapou
August 12, 2015
August
08
Aug
12
12
2015
10:28 AM
10
10
28
AM
PDT
1 2 3

Leave a Reply