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The folly of projecting group-stereotype guilt and the present kairos

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The kairos concept is, in a nutshell, that there are seasons in life and in community, so that there are times that are opportune or even simply pivotal and trend-making. At such times, we are forced to decide, for good or ill. And yes, carry on with business as usual . . . especially on a manifest march of folly . . . is a [collective, power-balance driven] decision; ill advised though it may be:

Of Lemmings, marches of folly and cliffs of self-falsifying absurdity . . .

More formally:

With that in mind, I now draw attention to Chenyuan Snider’s expose of some of the more terrifying Red Guard-like group-guilt, stereotyping and scapegoating tactics of the totalitarian government she grew up under; here, targetting a particularly revered group in historic, Confucius- influenced Chinese culture, teachers. Let me excerpt to highlight the power dynamics at work:

Mrs Chenyuan Snider, Artist and Teacher

When I was a first grader, there was a new political movement initiated by the Communist Party in China – the anti-teacher movement. It was precipitated by a tragic incident in which a student in China’s remote countryside attempted suicide because of mistreatment by her teacher. Overnight, all teachers in China were considered evil by virtue of being teachers. As students, we were ordered by the authorities to write about our teachers’ unscrupulous behavior towards us. It was mandatory. Every student had to write a condemnation about their own teacher on a poster and paste it on the wall. The bigger the poster and the longer the criticism, the holier the student became. In other words, the more a teacher was vilified, the more righteous the student appeared. There was no time for anyone to process and digest the new situation because it came like a huge wave engulfing everyone. During my time growing up in China, there were several movements during which one group was set up against another. These movements had proven to be enormously effective for the communist government to consolidate power. In the process, enemies were eliminated . . . .

Throughout history, wherever there are humans, there is injustice. However, when events are interpreted not as the fault of individuals, but rather, as a fault of a certain group, it creates hostility between large numbers of people. Through propaganda and political correctness one group can claim ascendant status over another. But this does not resolve the issues. In reality, tension from both sides continues to build up and intensify, which in turn produces more injustice and opposition. The justice that is due to the true victim is often buried in the larger struggle between groups. In the end, the victim is used as a prop serving the purpose of fighting the opposition.

This is of course reflective of the common folly of projecting blame or disdain to race, class, age [or want of age], sex, profession, honest occupation or the like. Surely, we can agree with the apostles and prophets that we partake of the common grace of life, sharing a common Imago Dei.

However, as a civilisation, we now face a recrudescence of one of the worst plagues afflicting our civilisation over the past quarter-millennium, [neo-]Marxism. Here, in a plethora of manifestations of so-called Critical Theories, more accurately: cultural form, mutant Marxism.

Let’s excerpt SEP, to see a self-congratulatory, programmatic self-description (on the way to urgently needed critique):

“Critical Theory” in the narrow sense designates several generations of German philosophers and social theorists in the Western European Marxist tradition known as the Frankfurt School. According to these theorists, a “critical” theory may be distinguished from a “traditional” theory according to a specific practical purpose: a theory is critical to the extent that it seeks human “emancipation from slavery”, acts as a “liberating … influence”, and works “to create a world which satisfies the needs and powers” of human beings (Horkheimer 1972, 246). Because such theories aim to explain and transform all the circumstances that enslave human beings, many “critical theories” in the broader sense have been developed. They have emerged in connection with the many social movements that identify varied dimensions of the domination of human beings in modern societies. In both the broad and the narrow senses, however, a critical theory provides the descriptive and normative bases for social inquiry aimed at decreasing domination and increasing freedom in all their forms.

Critical Theory in the narrow sense has had many different aspects and quite distinct historical phases that cross several generations, from the effective start of the Institute for Social Research in the years 1929–1930, which saw the arrival of the Frankfurt School philosophers and an inaugural lecture by Horkheimer, to the present. Its distinctiveness as a philosophical approach that extends to ethics, political philosophy, and the philosophy of history is most apparent when considered in light of the history of the philosophy of the social sciences. Critical Theorists have long sought to distinguish their aims, methods, theories, and forms of explanation from standard understandings in both the natural and the social sciences. Instead, they have claimed that social inquiry ought to combine rather than separate the poles of philosophy and the social sciences: explanation and understanding, structure and agency, regularity and normativity. Such an approach, Critical Theorists argue, permits their enterprise to be practical in a distinctively moral (rather than instrumental) sense. They do not merely seek to provide the means to achieve some independent goal, but rather (as in Horkheimer’s famous definition mentioned above) seek “human emancipation” in circumstances of domination and oppression. This normative task cannot be accomplished apart from the interplay between philosophy and social science through interdisciplinary empirical social research (Horkheimer 1993). While Critical Theory is often thought of narrowly as referring to the Frankfurt School that begins with Horkheimer and Adorno and stretches to Marcuse and Habermas, any philosophical approach with similar practical aims could be called a “critical theory,” including feminism, critical race theory, and some forms of post-colonial criticism . . . .

It follows from Horkheimer’s definition that a critical theory is adequate only if it meets three criteria: it must be explanatory, practical, and normative, all at the same time. That is, it must explain what is wrong with current social reality, identify the actors to change it, and provide both clear norms for criticism and achievable practical goals for social transformation.

That ever so humble but sometimes inadvertently revealing crowd-source, Wikipedia, gives somewhat less subtly shielded details:

Critical theory is the reflective assessment and critique of society and culture to reveal and challenge power structures. It argues that social problems are influenced and created more by societal structures and cultural assumptions than by individual and psychological factors. Critical theory has origins in sociology and also in literary criticism. The sociologist Max Horkheimer described a theory as critical insofar as it seeks “to liberate human beings from the circumstances that enslave them”.[1]

In sociology and political philosophy, the term Critical Theory describes the Western Marxist philosophy of the Frankfurt School, which was developed in Germany in the 1930s. This use of the term requires proper noun capitalization,[citation needed] whereas “a critical theory” or “a critical social theory” may have similar elements of thought, but does not stress the intellectual lineage specific to the Frankfurt School. Frankfurt School critical theorists drew on the critical methods of Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud. Critical theory maintains that ideology is the principal obstacle to human liberation.[2] Critical theory was established as a school of thought primarily by the Frankfurt School theoreticians Herbert Marcuse, Theodor Adorno, Max Horkheimer, Walter Benjamin, and Erich Fromm. Modern critical theory has additionally been influenced by György Lukács and Antonio Gramsci, as well as the second generation Frankfurt School scholars, notably Jürgen Habermas. In Habermas’s work, critical theory transcended its theoretical roots in German idealism and progressed closer to American pragmatism. Concern for social “base and superstructure” is one of the remaining Marxist philosophical concepts in much of contemporary critical theory.[3]

Postmodern [–> thus, current] critical theory analyzes the fragmentation of cultural identities in order to challenge modernist era constructs such as metanarratives, rationality and universal truths, while politicizing social problems “by situating them in historical and cultural contexts, to implicate themselves in the process of collecting and analyzing data, and to relativize their findings”.[4]

Ironically, the “metanarrative” of Western, white male domination and the heroic effort to overthrow it is, of course, an obvious self-referentially incoherent element in all this. And, as we saw from Ms Snider, once sociopathic radical ideologues use this metanarrative to target those whom they wish to turn into scapegoats, the door yawns to group guilt on core characteristics that are genetic or so shaped by one’s life story as to be key to one’s identity, leading to terrifying injustice through agit prop, media amplification of street theatre, media lynch mobs, lawfare, show trials and oh so convenient “progressive” solutions.

If such does not ring true, it should.

Now, several years ago, here at UD, I put on the table an alternative framework for political spectra, informed by historical trends and linked factors on modern liberty and constitutional, democratic self-government through elected representatives:

U/d b for clarity, nb Nil

It seems to me, that this is a useful framework to speak to some ugly trends of our time that are not without relevance to the marginalising, stereotyping, slandering, expelling and scapegoating of supporters of Intelligent Design. But then, it — more significantly — speaks far more broadly.

The natural state of humanity is tyranny, or at most some degree of lawfulness under a somewhat fair-minded governing elite. The antithesis to that is the raw, untamed wilderness, the “dark and bloody ground” of the so-called state of nature. That description, is how Kentucky (then a mutually agreed hunting grounds of the tribes) was described to one Daniel Boone, by Amerindians. Such a state is so abhorrent, so prone to naked theft, murder and rapine, that it is a repeller-pole that drives communities towards the vortex of tyranny. From which, historically, as a rule one only escapes by rivers of blood and tears.

In my considered opinion, it was only as the rise of moveable-type print coupled to a religious ferment emphasising freedom of conscience and individual accountability before God, that the unstable but sustainable middle ground emerged. Between 1450 and 1650, the groundwork for democratising reforms with due buttressing from key community institutions enabled the rise of modern, elected representative, parliamentary democracy constrained not only by a tradition-bound corpus of law, but by explicit Constitutions pivoting crucially on Bills of Rights articulated on built-in, conscience attested principles of natural law. I should add, interestingly, all of these happened in lands that acceded to Christian Civilisation and which had a significantly Germanic cultural base with its emphasis on freedom, thus consent to legitimate rule.

Where, let us recall, some core theses:

Thus, as we see in Augustine’s and Aquinas’ reflections:

Where, we may see Aquinas’ theme of a naturally evident, intelligible (so, sound conscience attested), creation-order based framework for civil law and for reformation:

We still hear an echo of this in the concept of crimes that shock the conscience. Such crimes can be done by some brigand hiding in a cave, but they can also be done by those in positions of lawful power or even some who pose as liberators. Crimes can even be done under false colours of law or rights and even that of processes of justice, through lawfare.

In my considered view, the ongoing abortion holocaust of our living posterity in the womb . . . 800+ millions in 40+ years and mounting up by another better part of a million per week [statistics suggests 1.4 billion] . . . is a capital, utterly civilisation corrupting example.

Litmus Test: if one cannot pass the test of standing up for the unborn, further claims to be a champion of liberation of the oppressed can be disregarded.

However, in our day, the toxic brew we face is compounded by a widespread rejection of the natural law vision with its pivot on sound conscience sensitive to truth, duty, justice. I here point to legal positivism and the nihilism that crouches at the door.

Again, SEP is subtly veiled, but enough sticks out that we can pick up hints as to the lurking reefs of a graveyard of ships of state:

Legal positivism is the thesis that the existence and content of law depends on social facts and not on its merits. The English jurist John Austin (1790–1859) formulated it thus:

>>The existence of law is one thing; its merit and demerit another. Whether it be or be not is one enquiry; whether it be or be not conformable to an assumed standard, is a different enquiry. (1832 [1995: 157]) >>

The positivist thesis does not say that law’s merits are unintelligible, unimportant, or peripheral to the philosophy of law. It says that they do not determine whether laws or legal systems exist. Whether a society has a legal system depends on the presence of certain structures of governance, not on the extent to which it satisfies ideals of justice, democracy, or the rule of law. What laws are in force in that system depends on what social standards its officials recognize as authoritative; for example, legislative enactments, judicial decisions, or social customs. The fact that a policy would be just, wise, efficient, or prudent is never sufficient reason for thinking that it is actually the law, and the fact that it is unjust, unwise, inefficient or imprudent is never sufficient reason for doubting it. According to positivism, law is a matter of what has been posited (ordered, decided, practiced, tolerated, etc.). Austin thought the thesis “simple and glaring”. While it is probably the dominant view among analytically inclined philosophers of law, it is also the subject of competing interpretations together with persistent criticisms and misunderstandings.

Wikipedia is again inadvertently more frank and tellingly revealing:

Legal positivism is a school of thought of analytical jurisprudence developed largely by legal philosophers during the 18th and 19th centuries, such as Jeremy Bentham and John Austin. While Bentham and Austin developed legal positivist theory, empiricism provided the theoretical basis for such developments to occur. The most prominent legal positivist writer in English has been H. L. A. Hart, who, in 1958, found common usages of “positivism” as applied to law to include the contentions that:

— laws are commands of human beings;

— there is not any necessary relation between law and morality, that is, between law as it is and as it ought to be;

— analysis (or study of the meaning) of legal concepts is worthwhile and is to be distinguished from history or sociology of law, as well as from criticism or appraisal of law, for example with regard to its moral value or to its social aims or functions;

— a legal system is a closed, logical system in which correct decisions can be deduced from predetermined legal rules without reference to social considerations;

— moral judgments, unlike statements of fact, cannot be established or defended by rational argument, evidence, or proof (“noncognitivism” in ethics).[1]

Historically, legal positivism is in opposition to natural law’s theories of jurisprudence, with particular disagreement surrounding the natural lawyer’s claim that there is a necessary connection between law and morality.

Got that? As in, “moral judgments, unlike statements of fact, cannot be established or defended by rational argument, evidence, or proof.”

Thus, then, “legal positivism is in opposition to natural law’s theories of jurisprudence, with particular disagreement surrounding the natural lawyer’s claim that there is a necessary connection between law and morality.”

Morality and justice, having been banished to the realms of irrationality, law is severed from the premise of morality, thus, justice. Nihilism — raw, untrammelled will to power (tempered only by cunning calculation as to what one can get away with, or cannot YET get away with) crouches at the door.

Enter, stage left, the sociopath with power or hoping to gain power; even under the guise of righting grave wrongs and liberating the oppressed. (And we need not detain ourselves on cheap agit prop stunts of turnabout projection as to who is oppressor. All polities are prone to injustices, the issue is to keep open a path to sound reformation.)

Destination, tyranny and the ruinous march of angry fools following a demonically anointed false political messiah:

Reformation is indicated, in defence of our civilisation.

As a start-point, we must recognise certain inescapable first principles and duties of reason that not only pervade but actually govern all of our rationality. Pace the legal positivists, morality is central to rationality and is itself rational, pivoting on self-evident first principles.

How can we — in an age blighted by selective hyperskepticism sitting in the seat of proper prudence — have confidence in such?

Simple, the very one who objects to such principles, inevitably, inescapably, implicitly, ALWAYS appeals to our intuitive adherence to such first duties of reason. So, we may freely hold that what is inescapably bound up in our rational life is just as inescapably, manifestly, necessarily, self-evidently true.

Where, of course, I here speak of our inescapable first duties of reason: to truth, to right reason, to prudence, to neighbour, so also to fairness and justice, etc.

Epictetus gives us a classic demonstration in a nutshell:

DISCOURSES
CHAPTER XXV

How is logic necessary?

When someone in [Epictetus’] audience said, Convince me that logic is necessary, he answered: Do you wish me to demonstrate this to you?—Yes.—Well, then, must I use a demonstrative argument?—And when the questioner had agreed to that, Epictetus asked him. How, then, will you know if I impose upon you?—As the man had no answer to give, Epictetus said: Do you see how you yourself admit that all this instruction is necessary, if, without it, you cannot so much as know whether it is necessary or not? [Cf J. C. Wright]

Let the legal positivist or critical theorist object rationally and responsibly without implicitly relying on such, if he can: _______ . We confidently, freely hold that he cannot do so.

On this, we may go down the line of asking what sort of reality root must obtain, in a world of such rationally, morally governed creatures. There is no serious answer to that, but that that root is the inherently good, utterly wise source of worlds. A familiar figure, but we need not explore that side, other than to note that the rise of both so called legal positivism and cultural marxism trace to the rise of atheism as a mass movement. First, among intellectual classes then more widely as ideologies dressed up in lab coats took root and seized cultural high ground.

That is significant, as it implies that needed reform has to challenge such intellectual roots and correct such ideologies. Which brings us to the general relevance of a useful but sometimes controversial mapping exercise:

You tell me that this model — originally tracing to the circle, Bill Bright, Loren Cunningham and Francis Schaeffer 40+ years past — does not capture a good slice of the issue. I think, we can freely use it as a map . . . which is not the territory but if well made, a helpful guide to it. (I suggest, using it in two modes: one, as a map of high ground dominating community life with seven metaphorical hills to match the famous seven hills of Rome; two, as a temple with seven columns that support and are in turn protected by a common roof.)

So, we can clearly see elements of the witches’ brew and storm that has begun to break across our civilisation in this, The Year of Our Lord, 2020, MMXX.

We have to challenge worldviews and cultural agendas, exposing Overton Window power games:

(Who would have thought that significant voices in a leading power in our day, would irresponsibly call for “defunding the police” in the context of a case where one officer . . . on evidence, likely for good reason . . . faces Murder 1 charges and three juniors face only slightly lesser charges? That, shocks both mind and conscience. Yes, reform the police is always a legitimate issue, defunding them would only trigger snap-back to the vortex of tyranny. If you needed evidence of a fourth generation, agit prop, media manipulation and lawfare driven, so far low kinetic civil war in that power, there it is. A voyage of folly is ruinous as the ghosts of Socrates, Plato and even Alcibiades would jointly warn.)

However, the issue is far wider and deeper than current political and police follies. Reformation is what is needed, and that has to engage worldviews roots. Such as, turtles all the way down being impossible:

“Turtles, all the way down . . . ” vs a root cause

Let us consider how we get to worldview root level, first plausible framework faith points:

A summary of why we end up with foundations for our worldviews, whether or not we would phrase the matter that way}

In this context, rebalancing how we consume mass and nowadays social media will be necessary also — as one of our very first steps:

Similarly, it is clear that cultural marxism and legal positivism cannot make the grade. So, it is time for serious re-thinking towards sound reformation. Otherwise, shipwreck. END

PS: Notice how street protesters in DC added to the BLM street slogan put up by the Mayor:

In broad daylight:

WASHINGTON, DC – JUNE 08: People walk down 16th street after ‚ÄúDefund The Police‚Äù was painted on the street near the White House on June 08, 2020 in Washington, DC. After days of protests in DC over the death of George Floyd, DC Mayor Muriel Bowser has renamed that section of 16th street “Black Lives Matter Plaza”. (Photo by Tasos Katopodis/Getty Images)

The platform:

PPS: Warlordism and “protection” demands emerge in Seattle WA, USA — anarchy is a repeller pole that tends to push communities to the vortex of tyranny:

PPPS: The monument to fallen police officers that was recently vandalised:

And, after repeated vandalisation this is the statue of the man who warned against appeasing Herr Schicklegruber and Co. then led Britain’s lonely stand with backs to the wall in 1940. Yes, Sir Winston Spencer Churchill, in London:

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JAD, I think it's very important for people to be saying and thinking "Black Lives Matter". You tell your child, wife, etc. "I love you", not "I love everyone". People need to be told that they in particular matter. As a white person, I think we are being asked to affirm that, indeed, Black Lives Matter. In part, because evidence suggests that in the eyes of some, Black Lives are less important than others.daveS
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Black Lives Matter is the wrong name. The name should be Only Black Lives Matter because that is what they really believe. Everyone else they and their “white privilege” allies try to shame, demonize and vilify-- whites, Asians and Hispanics-- everyone. The only solution, if we’re going to solve the things that divide us, is to emphasize that All Lives Matter. Shaming anyone else because of their race is-- well-- racist. Of course, the idea that All Lives Matter is quickly denounced by BLM as racist. Being inclusive is racist?john_a_designer
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T+, again, are you still wishing to pose some Q's? KFkairosfocus
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JAD, that came up above. Notice the exchanges. And I now can confirm that the = defund the police is right next to the BLM slogan put on a DC street by its mayor. It's funny how hard it is to find that out in the coverage. I wondered if it was photoshop at first. I don't think they realise the message they just sent to any discerning, informed person. KFkairosfocus
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Minneapolis City Council President Lisa Bender know all about white privilege. Here’s what she told CNN’s Alisyn Camerota in a recent interview:
“Do you understand that the word, dismantle, or police-free also makes some people nervous, for instance?” CNN’s Alisyn Camerota asked Bender on Monday. “What if in the middle of night, my home is broken into? Who do I call?” Bender dismissed such concerns as stemming from an inherent “place of privilege”: “Yes, I mean, I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors, and I know, and myself too, and I know that that comes from a place of privilege because for those of us for whom the system is working, I think we need to step back and imagine what it would feel like to already live in that reality where calling the police may mean more harm is done.”
So if Lisa Bender comes from a place from a place a privilege she’s in a position to tell other people of privilege that they should be willing to give up their rights of safety and security? Am I understanding her “logic” here? Lara Logan had the courage to criticize Bender, “I remember when I was being gang-raped & beaten by a mob in Egypt, would have been great to have a police force to call then…” https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/09/lara-logan-rips-minneapolis-lisa-bender-was-it-white-privilege-i-wanted-police-to-stop-my-gang-rape/ My suggestion is that people who suffer from white guilt because of their white privilege, should step down from their positions of leadership. But we all know that Ms. Bender won’t because this is all a phony hypocritical charade. Unfortunately there are people out there who swallow this lie hook, line and sinker bad logic and all.john_a_designer
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F/N: A Police Union leader challenges the RedGuard shaming game: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/09/watch-ny-police-union-boss-stop-treating-us-like-animals-and-thugs/ >>New York police union boss Mike O’Meara said politicians and the establishment media must stop treating police officers like “animals and thugs.” O’Meara, president of the New York State Association of Police Benevolent Associations, lashed out at elected officials and the media for invoking fear and hatred towards police officers — specifically in the black American community. Every year, O’Meara noted, police have about 375 million interactions with the public with “overwhelmingly positive responses.” “But what we read in the papers all week is that in the black community, mothers are worried about their children getting home from school without being killed by a cop,” O’Meara said. “What world are we living in? That doesn’t happen. It does not happen.” He continued: Our legislators are failing us. Our press is vilifying us. Stop treating us like animals and thugs and start treating us with some respect. That’s what we’re here today to say. We’ve been vilified. It’s disgusting … trying to make us embarrassed of our profession. O’Meara denounced former Minneapolis policeman Derek Chauvin, charged with killing George Floyd last month, and said politicians and the media must stop equating the alleged murder with the actions of New York police officers. “I am not Derek Chauvin. They are not him,” O’Meara said, pointing to police officers behind him. “He killed someone, we didn’t. We are restrained. We roundly reject what he did as disgusting. It’s not what we do.” “Everybody’s trying to shame us — the legislators, the press. Everybody’s trying to shame us into being embarrassed about our profession,” O’Meara said. “You know what? This [police badge] isn’t stained by someone in Minneapolis. It’s still got a shine on it, and so do theirs.”>> KFkairosfocus
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And things are not getting any better in Chicago.
In a city with an international reputation for crime — where 900 murders per year were common in the early 1990s — it was the most violent weekend in Chicago’s modern history, stretching police resources that were already thin because of protests and looting. “We’ve never seen anything like it, at all,” said Max Kapustin, the senior research director at the crime lab. “ ... I don’t even know how to put it into context. It’s beyond anything that we’ve ever seen before.”
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago-violence-murder-history-homicide-police-crime Yeah now’s the time to start disbanding police depts.john_a_designer
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I live in a small Ohio City, with a population less than 100,000, in a very rural county. According to the statistics I have been able to find on-line between 2003 and 2016 there have been zero homicides (per 100,000/yr.) gun related homicides in my community. Indeed in the time I have lived here I have only heard of two murders anywhere nearby. Neither involved a firearm. By contrast the murder rate in Chicago, for the same time period have averaged about 18 per 100,000/yr. According to the Chicago Tribune 3/26/18 in the last 365 day there were 588 homicides that were the result of gun violence. “The majority of the victims of homicide in Chicago are young, black men.” http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-tracker-htmlstory.html Where I live there are very unrestrictive gun laws. By contrast, in Chicago the gun laws are very restrictive yet there is still a very high homicide rate. Is racism the reason for that? Most of the violent crimes in black neighbor hoods are black on black crimes. How can racism be the cause of those kind of crimes?john_a_designer
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The analysis suffers from ubercomplication. The obvious error of marxism, nazism, and all that crap, is materialism. It is a bit confusing, because materialists redefine many concepts to suit them, thereby making a complicated conceptual mess. And it seems like you have let yourself be drawn into their complicated mess, and you got distracted from pointing out their simple fundamental error, which is materialism. Comparison of creationism with materialism The creationist conceptual scheme of reality: 1. Creator / chooses / spiritual / identity of which is a matter of chosen opinion 2. Creation / chosen / material / existence of which is a matter fact forced by evidence The materialist conceptual scheme of reality: - material / existence of which is a matter fact forced by evidence As you can see in comparison, what is missing from materialism is: - the reference to choosing, free will - the entire spiritual domain - the concept of subjective opinion The materialist will then try to cram these 3 missing things into materialism, redefining them beyond recognition in the process. As like redefining free will to mean that you could not have done otherwise, as materialist compabitibilists say. The error of nazism was to assert that content of character of people is material, heritable and factual. Because content of character is on the side of what makes a choice, it properly belongs in category 1. Therefore it is a matter of chosen opinion (judgment) whether someone is for instance lazy. This factual attitude of nazi's in regards to content of character, corresponds with their coldhearted and calculating attitudes in regards to the worth of people. The emotionless, calculating attitude, is simply appropiate for factual issues. However it was wrongly categorized as a factual issue. And marxism is all the same crap. With it's signature phrase "quantity transforms to quality", it is also based on objectifying worth. Solely creationism categorically distinguishes opinions from facts, validating each in their own right. You are supposed to be championing creationism against materialism, but you don't.mohammadnursyamsu
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H, add, never apologise to those who are radically disrespectful or abusive and will simply use it as a further lever of extortion and to hold hostage rather than as a step to reconciliation and renewal. KFkairosfocus
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The secular progressive left has turned race into a wedge issue which they have always intended to use to divide people rather than solve any of the lingering problems that underlie racism, which many people like myself agree is an admirable goal. In other words, their intention is to use the issue of race as a means to gain political power and cultural dominance. They’re not motivated by truth or honesty, morality or a genuine respect for human rights. Rather they’re motivated raw power which they won’t hesitate to use ruthlessly and they will use immoral means, including shaming, coercion or violence to accomplish that goal.john_a_designer
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If an investigator coerces a suspect into a false confession, can we all agree the officer would be guilty of wrongdoing? A reasonable person wants to think the Black Lives Matter organization agrees, but their actions suggest otherwise. Have you seen the YouTube videos of Black Lives Matter members coercing apologies from white men? In both examples, it's fair to say that one side forces their will on the innocent party. Both cases are morally corrupt. And yet one is seen as tragic while the other declared righteous — neither end with justice. "Never apologize for what you haven't done!" — Steven Crowder.
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No one is more hypocritical than a white guy who shows up on line to confess his "white privilege" and then and tries to shame every other white as a form of virtue signaling. Whites are not racist because they are white.john_a_designer
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Acartia Eddie:
And In each case, I was guilty as hell. In every case, the cop dropped the fine so that it didn’t mean points on my license.
The fact that you were crying like a little baby, each and every time, probably had something to do with it. :razz:ET
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Vivid, you are right of course, and this is a mutant form on the old Communist metanarrative. See the OP. KFkairosfocus
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Sev, the satire is a bit heavy-handed. KFkairosfocus
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“So again where is the “systemic racism?” “ JAD I posted several links in post 25. Until people come to grips with the underlying ideology of Critical Theory, Critical Race Theory, Critical Social Justice Theory and white complicity talking about facts misses the point. Critical Theory is not interested in facts, they don’t care about facts, I’m not exaggerating here it’s right in the literature. I know the links I posted are not easy reads, I had to read and reread several times but once you understand Critical Theory and it’s subsets everything happening has become clear, I understand what’s going on and why where before I was just like you wondering where is the evidence. The fight is on an ideological level not a factual level. Vividvividbleau
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EG, utterly irrelevant to people asking, who is going to answer 911 if I face a potentially or actually violent household intruder. Who answers, with what background, training, command structure and accountability under law are crucial. I am going to suggest that in contrast, due to med treatments, just in the past couple of months I have been pulled over by police enforcing a curfew maybe a dozen times, once twice in 50 yards around a blind corner. However, two young men had violent encounters being by serious reports batoned in the head, both going to hospital (eventually . . . in one case). Having just seen the Commissioner on going to get domestic gas, I had a short conversation on the subject. His pained expression and response spoke volumes on the difficulties of handling confrontations with young men prone to see police as almost the enemy. (Ganja is of course another flashpoint.) There is of course, no racial gap here to multiply the tension between beat officers and such young men. We need to have a sober discussion on policing. That is very different from evident, emerging agit prop pushes that are anti-civilisational. KFkairosfocus
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Heartlander @ 59
Humor – I’m The Rapid Response Social Worker Who Replaced The Police
I foresee another long-running not-police procedural - Law & Order: RRSWSeversky
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F/N: A question of deceptively misleading editing of a Barr i/v with CBS, in the broadcast version: https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/08/cbs-deceptively-edits-barr-interview-leaving-out-key-details-on-violent-riots-police-oversight/ >> CBS Deceptively Edits Barr Interview, Leaving Out Key Details On Violent Riots, Police Oversight Some of the most colorful descriptions of the violence facing police officers at Lafayette Square were clumsily spliced out of the middle of Barr's answers to questions. Mollie Hemingway By Mollie Hemingway June 8, 2020 Key details on violent riots near the White House were removed from the broadcast of an interview of Attorney General William Barr on CBS News’ “Face The Nation” Sunday. Anchor Margaret Brennan repeatedly described protests as “peaceful” and the clearing of protesters to set up a stronger perimeter as unnecessarily rushed, contentions Barr strongly denied. Left out of the interview that aired on CBS on Sunday morning was Barr’s detailed accounting of much of the violent context of that perimeter expansion, including that “bricks and inflammable liquid” were being thrown at police in Lafayette Square near the White House as rioters “were trying to get entry” over the fences, the five dozen officers guarding Lafayette Square who were “lost” the night prior in the violence, and the individuals who at the time of their forced dispersal “wrestled with the police officers trying to tear their shields from them, in one case, struggling to get one of the police officer’s guns.” Some of the most colorful descriptions of the violence facing police officers at Lafayette Square were clumsily spliced out of the middle of Barr’s answers to questions. The rather important detail about a protester trying to get a police officer’s guns was simply removed from the end of the interview. These remarks were edited out of an interview in which Barr said media mantras about Park Police facing peaceful protesters were lies. “They were not peaceful protesters. And that’s one of the big lies that the- the media is- seems to be perpetuating at this point,” Barr said. Also left out of the broadcast interview were Barr’s detailed comments on how to improve policing, ostensibly the biggest news issue in the country. Barr said that experience and research showed that “you can actually get more focused change and more real change by working in more collaboration with the police,” and that approaches taken in previous years “make the police pull back and actually lead to more death, more murders, more crime.” “What’s happened in the past is that politicians can check the box by slapping a consent decree on the department. We’re not interested in gestures. We’re interested in getting real results and working with police chiefs and- and- and public safety directors and mayors who really do want to change the system,” Barr said . . . . Brennan taped the interview earlier on Sunday morning before it aired. When it aired, she went to the commercial break with a brief announcement that contained still more false reporting: BRENNAN: I want to make sure to note that CBS News stands by our David Martin’s reporting. And we want to clarify here that the Secretary of Defense Esper does oppose the Insurrection Act. You can hear for yourself. MARK ESPER: I do not support invoking the Insurrection Act. First off, CBS did not explain why it stood by reporting from a single anonymous source that was rebutted by at least two eyewitness accounts on the record. Secondly, Brennan’s characterization of the Insurrection Act debate is completely muddled and left out Esper’s actual words. The debate wasn’t over whether the senior advisors support or oppose the law of the land but whether they thought it should be invoked at the particular moment. Barr carefully noted that he and Esper didn’t think it should be used except “as a last resort.” The full quote from Esper said just that: “The option to use active duty forces in a law enforcement role should only be used as a matter of last resort…” Esper’s unedited quote didn’t rebut Barr’s characterization of the debate, but confirmed it . . . . [While CBS later posted the full interview online] Edited out of the broadcast was Barr’s explanation of what constitutes a “last resort” and the history of using the military in the states, beginning with the country’s first president George Washington who “led the army into the field to suppress rebellion and insurrection in Pennsylvania in the very first term of his administration.” He noted he brought the military in last time he was Attorney General, during the George H. W. Bush administration, once in the Virgin Islands. “The governor opposed us at that point, but there was a complete breakdown of law and order. Lives were in danger, and we sent in 82nd Airborne military police, along with U.S. marshals and FBI agents.” The military was used to quell riots in Los Angeles as well. “I would also point out it was done during the civil rights era in places like Selma, Alabama, and other places to integrate schools. The governors stood in the doorway. The governors did not approve the use of federal troops to enforce civil rights in the South,” Barr noted in the unaired portion of the interview . . . . The most significant portion of the interview wasn’t about disputing anonymous sources or talking yet again about the expansion of the White House perimeter but instead the discussion of whether law enforcement is systemically racist. Much of that was left out of what aired. Asked if he thought reforms were working, Barr said it’s difficult but improvements are being made . . . . It is unclear why detailed reports of violent riots and police reforms were deliberately edited out of the interview that was broadcast while so much time was spent on CBS’ single anonymous source and his disputed report.>> There is of course a huge audience difference between those who will watch a full interview and those watching and trusting news. Therefore, in a polarised, agit prop and lawfare riddled situation, the editing choices being remarked on need serious explanation. KFkairosfocus
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I am your poster child for white privilege. In my 62 years of existence, I have been pulled over for speeding at least six times. And In each case, I was guilty as hell. In every case, the cop dropped the fine so that it didn’t mean points on my license. If I were black, is there anyone here who would think I would have received the same treatment?Ed George
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Humor - I’m The Rapid Response Social Worker Who Replaced The PoliceHeartlander
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Sev, the toned down issue would gave been, rebuild or renew or restore. The cry is to financially strangle or dismantle and replace with ideological community systems or to shift funds to something wholly other. Likewise, the claim is systematic, widespread -- national, at least -- racism requiring dismantling. So, no, good cop bad cop is really two bad cops in cahoots. Not buying that. A line that must not be crossed was crossed, and status quo ante cannot be restored, onward the issue is whether barbarism or civilisation wins. Communist tyranny 2.0 is no more acceptable than 1.0 was and this time, we will drive a stake through the heart before we bury it. KF PS: Only a world of saints will need no police or courts, which are civilising improvements over the alternative: warlordism, blood feuds and vigilantism.kairosfocus
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Kairosfocus @ 52
Insanity driven by irresponsible, misanthropic, anti-civilisational cultural marxist critical studies theorising and metanarrative agendas.
A world without police or armed forces would be ideal but, while humanity is as it is, I fear it is going to be nothing more than an ideal for the foreseeable future. That said, dismantling and then rebuilding police departments where corruption and racism are too ingrained, may be the only practical option Seversky
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Excerpt from - Leaving Plato’s Cave: The Truth about Police Brutality and Race: The authors of the most comprehensive study to date on the subject of police brutality and race have concluded that white police officers are no more likely than black and Hispanic officers to shoot minority civilians. Up to this juncture (2015), “databases of fatal officer-involved shootings (FOIS) [have] lack[ed] details about officers” (emphasis added).  Yet this information is critical, for without it, the conventional wisdom that “racism” is to blame for fatal police shootings involving non-white suspects is unsustainable. …And when, since “the majority of FOIS involve armed civilians,” researchers have used “race-specific violent crime as a benchmark,” “anti-Black disparities in FOIS disappear or even reverse” (emphasis added).  (A select sample of literature substantiating this point can be found here, here, here, and here.) So, when measured according to race-specific violent crime, there are not only no “anti-Black disparities;” whites of the same description are fatally shot by police at a disproportionately higher rate.
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Members of the MSM are telling us (uncritically parroting BLM’s talking points) that there is systemic racism is urban PD’s across the U.S. But where exactly is this systemic racism? I’m asking because I don’t see it. But what do I know? I only know what I know and most of that comes from T.V. shows. For example, I’m a big fan of true crime documentaries. One of these is A&E’s “The First 48,” which embeds camera crews with real life homicide detectives investigating actual crimes in several cities across the U.S.: Atlanta, Cleveland, Dallas, New Orleans, Mobile Al., Tulsa Ok-- even Minneapolis. (BTW there are no Hollywood actor reenactments. The investigators, witnesses and suspects etc. are all the real deal. However, sometimes the witnesses’ faces are blurred out along with the crime scene carnage.) I haven’t watched all 422 episodes (the show has been in production since June of 2004) but I've probably seen well over 100. I don’t recall seeing anything like “systemic racism.” In fact, I don’t recall even seeing a hint of racism. What I do recall seeing are integrated PD’s with black detectives often taking the lead in several investigations; a true blue brotherhood that crossed racial lines, real compassion for the victim and a no nonsense toughness when it came to dealing with criminals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_48 So again where is the “systemic racism?” My view is that the bad cops are really very few and far between. But again, what do I know?john_a_designer
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JAD, utter irresponsibility that then points to an agenda of anti civilisational destabilisation. KFkairosfocus
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How are social workers going to solve crimes like I described above @ #45? What exactly is a Committee of Public Safety supposed to do? Didn’t they have something like that during the French Revolution? How did that work out?john_a_designer
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F/N: DM Bullet points on AG Barr's response: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8401099/AG-Bill-Barr-says-demonizing-police-dangerous-amid-growing-far-left-calls-defund-police.html >>AG Bill Barr says 'demonizing' the police is 'wrong' and 'dangerous' amid growing far-left calls to 'defund' police and claims replacing forces with 'vigilantism' results in MORE deaths Attorney General William Barr said: 'I think defunding the police for the actions of certain officers is wrong' The attorney general added that he thinks that it's 'dangerous to demonize police' during Fox News interview Barr said if police were to be defunded 'you would have increases in vigilantism and increases in chaos in the city', which would ultimately result in more killings His remarks come as Black Lives Matter activists pushing to defund police proposed plans to replace officers The proposal would replace officers with social workers, mental health advocates and homeless charities [--> So, when robbers break in, it's coming from a place of privilege to call 911??????] By Valerie Edwards For Dailymail.com Published: 04:53 BST, 9 June 2020 | Updated: 07:51 BST, 9 June 2020 >> Insanity driven by irresponsible, misanthropic, anti-civilisational cultural marxist critical studies theorising and metanarrative agendas. Money shot clip from Barr:
Attorney General William Barr said Monday that 'demonizing' cops is 'wrong' as thousands call for the defunding of police departments across the United States following the death of George Floyd. Barr expressed his concerns during an interview with Fox News' Bret Baier. 'I think defunding the police - holding the entire police structure responsible - for the actions of certain officers is wrong and I think it's dangerous to demonize police,' Barr said. The attorney general, who said there are approximately 900,000 police officers in the nation, backed up his statement by saying departments 'understand the need for change and there has been great change' in the last 60 years. Barr then told the network that if police were to be defunded: 'You would have increases in vigilantism and increases in chaos in the city'. He said that it has 'been shown' that an increase in vigilantism would result in more killings.
KF PS: Contrast, Mr Biden in a CBS interview:
No, I don’t support defunding the police. I support conditioning federal aid to police based on whether or not they meet certain basic standards of decency and honorableness [--> subjective standard, responsible policing meets any reasonable standard] and in fact are able to demonstrate [--> to whose satisfaction, i.e. door for hyperskepticism games] they can protect the community and everybody in the community [--> it is literally impossible to protect "everybody" in a community and that language sounds like a loaded talking point from an agenda] .
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T+, do you have questions?I suggest, start with one or a few and take it from there. KFkairosfocus
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