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Emergence as an Explanation for Living Systems

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Yesterday I watched a re-run of a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode.

There. I said it.

I love Star Trek. Notwithstanding the many absurd evolution-based plotlines.

In this specific episode, Data referred to a particular characteristic of a newly-developing lifeform as an “emergent property.”

I’ve looked into the “emergence” ideas in the past, and the related self-organization hypotheses, and have never been too impressed. But it has been a while, so I thought I’d quickly navigate over to the Wikipedia page on the subject to see what it says. Now I’m a big fan of the general concept behind Wikipedia and it is a very useful tool, if used properly. Yet everyone knows that Wikipedia is a questionable source on controversial subjects. Want to know Abraham Lincoln’s birthday or the text of the Gettysburg Address? Wikipedia is great. Want to get an objective description of a controversial subject like — oh just to pick at random, say, evolution or intelligent design — and you will be sorely misled.

Emergence itself is not necessarily controversial, at least not in its simple, observationally-based definition. Wikipedia describes it as “a process whereby larger entities, patterns, and regularities arise through interactions among smaller or simpler entities that themselves do not exhibit such properties.” Fine. Nothing particularly controversial there. I’m willing to accept that as a reasonable working definition for purposes of discussion.

The problem arises when researchers or theorists imagine that emergence is an explanation for a particular phenomenon. For example, the very next paragraph on Wikipedia states, “the phenomenon life as studied in biology is commonly perceived as an emergent property of interacting molecules . . .” By labeling “life” as an “emergent property of interacting molecules” a researcher can fool herself into thinking that she has understood something foundational about life, that she has provided some kind of explanation for life. Yet she has done nothing of the sort. She has simply applied a label to her ignorance, has simply given a name to something she doesn’t understand.

The word “emerge” is typically defined as “to come forth into view or notice, as from concealment” or “to come up or arise” or “to come into existence” or “to develop”.

This is straightforward enough, and allows us to say that, in its most basic sense, the concept of “emergence” simply means that A + B leads to or develops into C. This can be deterministic or stochastic, but either way, it is quite simple. The following two sentences are substantively equivalent:

A plus B develops into C.
C is an emergent property of A plus B.

Notice that with the first sentence we would immediately ask the follow-up question: “How?” Yet with the second sentence we don’t naturally follow up with that question. Indeed, the wording gives the impression that the “how?” has been answered by the very term “is an emergent property.” But in reality, no explanation at all is offered. No “how” has been given. We don’t know one iota more about the real, underlying processes at work after reading the second sentence than the first. So we should still follow up the second sentence with an emphatic “How?”, yet the very rhetorical stance taken in the second sentence tends to discourage that critical follow-up question.

Calling a living organism an “emergent property” of various molecules, is about as helpful and intellectually vacuous as saying that the Space Shuttle is an “emergent property” of glass, metal and plastic. It isn’t helpful. It hasn’t added anything to our knowledge of what actually brought the system into being. Worse, it all too often gives the false impression that an explanation has been offered.*

Let me be clear. I am not arguing that the word “emergence” be stricken from our language. I am not suggesting that the concept, as commonly defined, might not be a helpful shorthand label that we can use in certain situations.

What I am saying is that we must be scrupulously careful to not allow the label of “emergence” to be treated as more than it is: a label that does not carry with it an actual explanation, a label that does not provide a detailed analysis, a label that (unless we are extremely vigilant) tends to mask ignorance, rather than shed light.

So, for our dear readers, two questions:

1. What, if anything, does the concept of “emergence” add to our understanding of natural phenomena? And how is calling X an “emergent property” any different from simply observing that X occurred?

2. Even if there are some phenomena that can be helpfully thought of as emergent phenomena (Wikipedia cites snowflakes, hurricanes, ripple patterns in a sand dune, etc.), what relevance does that have to the origin and development of living systems?

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* Laughably, Wikipedia even tries to suggest that irreducible complexity is nothing more than a case of emergence, as though that label explains the existence of irreducibly complex biological systems. Worse, not capable of seeing the irony, the intellectual pygmies who tyrannically maintain the irreducible complexity page call irreducible complexity “a pseudoscientific theory.”

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Carpathian:
In a nutshell, “Darwinism” makes millions of individual “mistakes” which get eliminated resulting in small positive changes over a long period of time.
That is the propaganda, anyway.
ID claims sudden and explicit targeted changes are made to entire populations all at once,...
ID does NOT make such a claim. Obviously you are proud to misrepresent ID and oversell Darwinism. Typical but still pathetic.Virgil Cain
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Carp,
Of course you’re stretching … You make it seem that a person could build a complete house with just a carpenter’s tape measure
Good grief man, listen to yourself. You don’t even know where the ball is. You think the representation I was talking about is back on a workbench somewhere in the form of a drawing or something … that is why you said this: If you wanted to stretch the point then yes, “representations” are included in documents, drawings, storage etc This is a demonstration that you simply do not think clearly enough for this kind of issue. The representation is in your solution. Your solution could not exist without it.Upright BiPed
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wookieeb:
And what do you even mean by “infallibility” when it comes to a designer. That term is irrelevant. ID requires nothing of the sort.
ID is a polar opposite of "Darwinism". In a nutshell, "Darwinism" makes millions of individual "mistakes" which get eliminated resulting in small positive changes over a long period of time. ID claims sudden and explicit targeted changes are made to entire populations all at once, which is a requirement of IC structures according to ID. That is why ID needs infallibility and "Darwinism" doesn't. If a change with negative effects is put into an entire population at once, the results would be deadly.Carpathian
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Upright BiPed:
How did I know this? It has to do with the type of effect required by the solution. It’s a matter of physics. Perhaps, someday, when you put away your religious politics and try a little empiricism, you may even figure out why.
Of course you're stretching. You have named no mechanism for the welder's torch, only his blueprints. You make it seem that a person could build a complete house with just a carpenter's tape measure. Perhaps you should try to solve the ID problem then with just "representations". You'll fail without more mechanisms. Show me the mechanism you would use to find the "target". It is impossible to know what to build unless you can foresee the future. Show me the mechanism that will get you around this problem. No IDist is willing to do the work to just find out how to determine the "target". Where is the mechanism for that?Carpathian
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Carpathian:
Virgil Cain: And yet darwinism and neo-darwinism rely on mistakes… Yes! And that’s what makes “Darwinism” a possibility without an infallible designer. ID however requires infallibility which requires an infallible designer, i.e. God.
How can you say that Darwinism, which is based on totally random occurrences, can accomplish something, wherein Design, which is directed and planned occurrences, could not accomplish something? At the least, any actions of design are a subset of the presumable actions of Darwinism, so Design would always be at least as possible as Darwinism. And what do you even mean by "infallibility" when it comes to a designer. That term is irrelevant. ID requires nothing of the sort.wookieeb
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Carp, I am not stretching anything. I told you that the use of representations was a mechanism to implement design. I gave you a problem to solve in order to demonstrate the point, knowing all along that your solution would not be possible without a representation. Not only would it not be possible, but that the representation would be at the very center of your solution. I could have very easily changed the problem to another example and ended up at the same point. How did I know this? It has to do with the type of effect required by the solution. It’s a matter of physics. Perhaps, someday, when you put away your religious politics and try a little empiricism, you may even figure out why.Upright BiPed
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Observations are not insults, Carpathian. And just because you are too dim to understand the answers doesn't mean they were not provided.Virgil Cain
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Carpathian:
The first answer ID needs to provide when making a modification is this; “Why?”
That has NOTHING to do with ID so why does ID have to answer it? Obviously you have other issues and you require professional counseling. Good luck with that.Virgil Cain
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Virgil Cain:
Virgil Cain: Darwinism doesn’t have any answers, Carpathian. It doesn’t belong in schools. Carpathian: If you think about it like I have, you’ll find the logistics are overwhelming. Virgil Cain: You are incapable of thinking. You are incapable of reading. High school students would point and laugh at you if you asked those questions in an ID class after being told what you have been told already.
More insults, zero answers.Carpathian
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Virgil Cain:
One can fix a car without knowing how it is made. And ID has an answer as to modification. You ignored it because you are willfully ignorant.
The first answer ID needs to provide when making a modification is this; "Why?" You have no way of knowing what to modify. ID cannot determine the "target" . For example, the "target" may be damaging to the population you introduce it to because of future climate changes. You can get around this problem by knowing what that climate is going to be. How do you do that? If you say that organisms respond to built-in cues, just how many bits are allowed to be responded to automatically? Enough for an IC component? More than 500 bits? If so, all of Dembski's and kairosfocus' and Behe's arguments against unguided evolution are no longer valid.Carpathian
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Darwinism doesn't have any answers, Carpathian. It doesn't belong in schools.
If you think about it like I have, you’ll find the logistics are overwhelming.
You are incapable of thinking. You are incapable of reading. High school students would point and laugh at you if you asked those questions in an ID class after being told what you have been told already.Virgil Cain
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Upright BiPed:
A timer? A thing that uniformly clicks off units of time. And you would use this device to do something at a certain value of units. So your design would require a representation after all. Imagine that. I guess the use of representations is a mechanism for implementing design after all.
The use of "representations" is not a mechanism for implementing design anymore than analogies are. If you wanted to stretch the point then yes, "representations" are included in documents, drawings, storage etc., but that is far removed from the additional mechanisms that are needed. Imagine a blueprint a welder refers to when constructing a part. Now let the welder decide what he needs to actually build parts. He'll choose the welding equipment. "Representations" play a part, but you can't claim that on their own they are sufficient mechanisms. I am focusing on all the mechanisms required for ID. If you think about it like I have, you'll find the logistics are overwhelming. Just gathering the data required to determine if and when a change should be made across billion member populations that affect other billion member populations, would require design teams comprised of millions of engineers, technicians and support staff. Unless you can answer these sort of questions, ID is not ready to replace anything in schools, especially "Darwinism".Carpathian
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1- Design is a mechanism, by definition 2- Built-in responses to environmental cues is a specific design mechanism- as specific as any evolutionism has to offer 3- Targeted search is another specific design mechanism ID is about the detection and study of design in nature. We first determine design is present before even asking about the specific mechanism. There are plenty of artifacts that we don’t know exactly how they were made, but guess what? They are all still artifacts. That said “built-in responses to environmental cues” is a specific design mechanism. Both genetic and evolutionary algorithms model intelligent design evolution- targeted search is another specific design mechanism. Darwinism/ neo-darwinism claim to have a step-by-step mechanism for producing the diversity of life. We want evolutionists to support that claim. ID doesn’t make any such claim so ID doesn’t have to support a claim it doesn’t make. ID claims to have a step-by-step mechanism for determining if intelligent design is present or not. So biology classes would consist of identifying biological systems, sub-systems, structures and sub-structures and use that methodology to determine if what you are discussing/ studying is intelligently designed. High school students would grasp all of that. Perhaps once you grow up it will all sink in.Virgil Cain
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Carpathian:
You should use this exact insulting response to students who dare question ID.
It is an OBSERVATION, not an insult. I can answer all relevant questions.
Yes high school students are definitely smart enough to ask questions.
Yes, on topic questions.
If they ask an auto mechanics teacher how an internal combustion engine works he can tell them.
We can tell them how living organisms work.
He can also tell them how it’s made and modified .
One can fix a car without knowing how it is made. And ID has an answer as to modification. You ignored it because you are willfully ignorant. Look you are incapable of learning. And your position cannot answer how life came to be nor how it was modified to produce the diversity observed. You lose.Virgil Cain
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Virgil Cain:
Carpathian, You are so dense that you are a walking black hole. ID is about the detection and study of DESIGN in nature. All of your other strawman baggage just expose your agenda of willful ignorance. Nice job.
You should use this exact insulting response to students who dare question ID. You are all insults and no answers.Carpathian
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Virgil Cain:
High school students are smart enough to understand everything I have explained to you. Science doesn’t mix with willfully ignorant people.
Yes high school students are definitely smart enough to ask questions. If they ask an auto mechanics teacher how an internal combustion engine works he can tell them. He can also tell them how it's made and modified . These are the questions that ID is not prepared to answer when the students ask them about ID theory. Why? In the ten or so years of this blog, no one from the ID side has made an attempt to truly see if ID is possible. Try and break your theory. Instead of spending 100% of your time analyzing and criticizing "Darwinism", spend some time analyzing the hard problems associated with ID. Be your own worst critic and try to perform ID without unlimited powers. It can't be done.Carpathian
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Carpathian, You are so dense that you are a walking black hole. ID is about the detection and study of DESIGN in nature. All of your other strawman baggage just expose your agenda of willful ignorance. Nice job.Virgil Cain
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Carpathian:
And that’s what makes “Darwinism” a possibility without an infallible designer.
That doesn't follow and ID doesn't require an infallible designer. Obviously you are confused.
What do you expect students to do, answer the questions that Dembski and Behe couldn’t?
When you grow up and make it to high school you will see that the students are smart enough not to ask irrelevant questions. High school students are smart enough to understand everything I have explained to you. Science doesn't mix with willfully ignorant people.Virgil Cain
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Mung and anyone who thinks ID is possible:
Mung: Intelligent design does not require perfect design (if such a thing as perfect design is even attainable).
Then why don't you lay out a plan to perform ID. You don't actually have to modify organisms. As a test, select an organism for modification and decide what needs to be modified. Determine what effects it may have on the food chain above and below it. Then determine the logistics of rolling out the changes into the ecosystem. What would be the effects of a one-time roll-out as opposed to doing it in stages? Would possible mates avoid your new organism? Would you have to make your new organism more sexually attractive than the current organisms? Would you go out into the field to make your changes or bring creatures back to the lab one by one? Would it just be you or would you need a staff? Are other designers responsible for making changes to other organisms that your modified organisms interact with? Would you need to meet with other designers to make sure the impact of your changes aren't negatively affecting their planned modifications and that theirs are not affecting yours? Once you start attempting to actually do it, you'll find ID is less plausible than "Darwinism".Carpathian
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Mung:
Carpathian: Only God could do it and because of that, ID is creationism, not science. Mung: If only that followed from anything you argued. But it doesn’t.
Of course it follows unless you know of a designer who could see into the future and never make a mistake when modifying DNA. This pertains not only to individuals, but to entire populations and other species who interact with the modified organisms.Carpathian
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Virgil Cain:
Carpathian: One mistake, and 6 billion humans are gone. Virgil Cain: And yet darwinism and neo-darwinism rely on mistakes…
Yes! And that's what makes "Darwinism" a possibility without an infallible designer. ID however requires infallibility which requires an infallible designer, i.e. God. Unless you can come up with a reasonable assessment of whether ID is possible it can't be taught in schools. What do you expect students to do, answer the questions that Dembski and Behe couldn't?Carpathian
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Carpathian: Only God could do it and because of that, ID is creationism, not science. If only that followed from anything you argued. But it doesn't. Intelligent design does not require perfect design (if such a thing as perfect design is even attainable). So all you have is a question-begging argument that assumes it's own conclusion. #claps4youMung
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Carpathian:
One mistake, and 6 billion humans are gone.
And yet darwinism and neo-darwinism rely on mistakes...Virgil Cain
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Carpathian:
ID is supposed to replace the “theory of evolution”.
There isn't a scientific theory of evolution. If you think otherwise then please link to it. The "modern synthesis" is a name given to a collection of ideas gleaned from different books (it is the name of one of those books), but those ideas do not amount to a scientific theory.
Secondly, you have provided absolutely zero mechanisms.
1- Design is a mechanism, by definition 2- Built-in responses to environmental cues is a specific design mechanism- as specific as any evolutionism has to offer 3- Targeted search is another specific design mechanism ID is about the detection and study of design in nature. We first determine design is present before even asking about the specific mechanism. There are plenty of artifacts that we don’t know exactly how they were made, but guess what? They are all still artifacts. That said “built-in responses to environmental cues” is a specific design mechanism. Both genetic and evolutionary algorithms model intelligent design evolution- targeted search is another specific design mechanism. Darwinism/ neo-darwinism claim to have a step-by-step mechanism for producing the diversity of life. We want evolutionists to support that claim. ID doesn't make any such claim so ID doesn't have to support a claim it doesn't make. ID claims to have a step-by-step mechanism for determining if intelligent design is present or not. So biology classes would consist of identifying biological systems, sub-systems, structures and sub-structures and use that methodology to determine if what you are discussing/ studying is intelligently designed.Virgil Cain
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I could design a controller with a built-in timer
A timer? A thing that uniformly clicks off units of time. And you would use this device to do something at a certain value of units. So your design would require a representation after all. Imagine that. I guess the use of representations is a mechanism for implementing design after all.Upright BiPed
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Mung:
Carpathian: If not, you may doom an entire species to extinction. Mung: So? Designed things often go extinct. Entire species of designed things.
So? So all your previous design work is gone. One mistake, and 6 billion humans are gone. That's why ID must be infallible. Only God could do it and because of that, ID is creationism, not science.Carpathian
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If not, you may doom an entire species to extinction. So? Designed things often go extinct. Entire species of designed things.Mung
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Upright BiPed:
Let’s say that you wanted the light on your porch to stay off during the daylight hours, but turn on during the night. What would you do?
Good question. I could design a controller with a built-in timer that I could set with a WiFi device. Then I would put this device between my light and the current power source it's plugged in to. No you show me how you would make changes in the human genome to allow for full-term 6 month pregnancies. Would you change all six billion current living humans or would you only make changes to a select group of parents? If a select group, how many generations would it take for all humans to have this new change? How would you make people without the change select a partner that has the change?Carpathian
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Virgil Cain:
ID isn’t replacing a theory and we have provided mechanisms.
ID is supposed to replace the "theory of evolution". Secondly, you have provided absolutely zero mechanisms. You can't even come up with a means of putting together a spec. What intelligent designer would not know what to build? When you think about answering that question you'll find out that on the scale of species wide intervention, you would need to know the future with 100% accuracy. If not, you may doom an entire species to extinction.Carpathian
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“representationalism” is not a mechanism
Really? Let's test that out. Let's say that you wanted the light on your porch to stay off during the daylight hours, but turn on during the night. What would you do?Upright BiPed
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