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How can we assert the great American novel The Right Stuff has near 100% sequence similarity with Mirriam Webster’s Dictionary? Simple, take the words in the dictionary and find identical words in the novel, and you’ll find the spelling is 100% identical in most cases! Would you then use such an illegitimate method to argue humans share a close genetic identity with fish. Apparently Darwinists are quite willing to do exactly that.

Consider this recent paper: The African coelacanth genome provides insights into tetrapod evolution which concludes:

Through a phylogenomic analysis, we conclude that the lungfish, and not the coelacanth, is the closest living relative of tetrapods.

The paper goes on and on about how closely related we are based on molecular data. Ok here is the problem, lungfish have genome sizes that are up to 133 giga base pairs whereas humans have a genome size of around 3.5 giga bases pairs. At best then, based purely on genome sizes we could say humans only have around a 3% identity with the lungfish. 😯

How then can Darwinists say we are so closely related to lungfish? The same way I could assert the novel The Right Stuff is almost 100% related to a dictionary. At some level the comparison is utterly bogus because snipping sequences from one creature out of context and aligning it with other sequences in another creature gives a false impression of similarity. Aligning sequences isn’t wrong in-and-of-itself, but the inferences we make have to take the degree of aligning needed into account. That obviously isn’t being done!

That said, since the time of Linnaeus, creationist have asserted common descent from a conceptual (not physical) ancestor, hence it is proper to say we share more similarity with primates than with fish. No need to run away from the chimp/human similarity. That was a creationist observation, not a Darwinist one…

We can even see that we reasonably “descend” from mammals or some vertebrate, but it looks very forced to argue we descended from fish. The molecular data accord with primates descending from primates, mammals from mammals, etc. But it doesn’t accord well with birds and mammals descending from fish (3% identity at best between lungfish and humans!).

Nevertheless these fabricated evolutionary stories do give us compelling and entertaining origin myths:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/
evolution from lungfish

HT: Walter ReMine for the dictionary idea

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I'm not a Darwinist. Those are all statements of relative closeness. The diagram you reproduce displays precisely the relationship I describe.wd400
July 22, 2013
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Darwinists didn’t say we are closely related to lungfish in this paper or anywhere else
Well, in addition to the paper I cited we have one Darwinist at UD:
some fish are more closely related to us than to other fish. WD40 speaks
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July 22, 2013
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But Sal We descended from apes not Tetra-pods! You Silly creationist! You just don't understand evolution!Andre
July 22, 2013
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Darwinists didn’t say we are closely related to lungfish in this paper or anywhere else. These sentences are simply and clearly wrong.
How do you interpret this from the paper:
Through a phylogenomic analysis, we conclude that the lungfish, and not the coelacanth, is the closest living relative of tetrapods.
scordova
July 22, 2013
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Its a better option that a creator in making biology did so on the same physivs as physics. Common laws and all that. Chasing dNA likeness is just missing the point. Creatures have like dNA for like parts and unrelated to relationships. Its just a line of reasoning to draw connections of biology by DNA. Even if it was true. Its not biological investigation going on here but merely speculation. Even if true!Robert Byers
July 22, 2013
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#12 Come on scordova You wrote:
Would you then use such an illegitimate method to argue humans share a close genetic identity with fish. Apparently Darwinists are quite willing to do exactly that. ... How then can Darwinists say we are so closely related to lungfish?
Darwinists didn't say we are closely related to lungfish in this paper or anywhere else. These sentences are simply and clearly wrong.Mark Frank
July 22, 2013
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this is a flippant side-step of a serious criticism that it behooves you to address properly.
Your sophistry got the response it deserves, and I pointed out the paper did exactly the illegitimate comparison I talked about.
What’s that, we have to snip out words (orthologous genes) and then artificially concatenate them to make a seemingly identical sentence. We can’t just find a nice contiguous section of 100,583 amino acids and compare them. What did I say about illegitimate methods.
scordova
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bpragmatic @ 10 Two wrongs don't make a right.CLAVDIVS
July 21, 2013
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"Your disagreement with evolutionary science doesn’t, in my view, give you the right to represent the cited paper in such a misleading way." What makes you think the cited paper isn't "misleading?". (i.e. drawing or implying widescale and vastly unsupported conclusions based on ridiculously scant evidence based on who knows how many unverified and unverifiable assumptions.) You have absolutely no basis to take a "holier than thou" position.bpragmatic
July 21, 2013
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scordova @ 7
CLAVDIVS: The paper you cite does not claim that “humans share a close genetic identity with fish”. It claims that “the lungfish, and not the coelacanth, is the closest living relative of tetrapods.” This is analgous to claiming that The Right Stuff is closer to a German dictionary than to a Chinese dictionary, a claim that is amply justified by objective measurements. scordova: Look at the diagram provided above, who do Darwinists say is yo great great great ….grand daddy?
Thanks for responding, but this is a flippant side-step of a serious criticism that it behooves you to address properly. Your characterisation of the cited paper is utterly misleading. Your disagreement with evolutionary science doesn't, in my view, give you the right to represent the cited paper in such a misleading way. Please amend your OP so it is clear to interested readers what the paper actually says, and please try to do better next time.CLAVDIVS
July 21, 2013
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From the paper
To perform a reliable analysis we selected 251?genes in which a 1:1 orthology ratio was clear and used CAT-GTR, a complex site-heterogeneous model of sequence evolution that is known to reduce tree-reconstruction artefacts19 (see Supplementary Methods). The resulting phylogeny, based on 100,583 concatenated amino acid positions
What's that, we have to snip out words (orthologous genes) and then artificially concatenate them to make a seemingly identical sentence. We can't just find a nice contiguous section of 100,583 amino acids and compare them. What did I say about illegitimate methods. The determination some will go to in order to show fish are humans great great....grand daddy.scordova
July 21, 2013
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If you disagree, please cite where the paper claims humans are closely related to lungfish in absolute terms,
Look at the diagram provided above, who do Darwinists say is yo great great great ....grand daddy? :-)scordova
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Mung @ 5
Evolutionary “Theory” is in fact a smorgasbord of incoherent and often contradictory THEORIES.
Even if we grant that what you say is true, this does not change the fact that the OP completely misrepresents the cited paper.CLAVDIVS
July 21, 2013
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wd400:
For the record, this is the point where I officially gave up as it was obvious you didn’t have any interest in actually understanding evolutionary biology.
What's to understand? Evolutionary "Theory" is in fact a smorgasbord of incoherent and often contradictory THEORIES.Mung
July 21, 2013
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take the words in the dictionary and find identical words in the novel
It would be easier and you'll have better success doing it the other way around: take the words in the novel and find identical words in the dictionary.cantor
July 21, 2013
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Ha. For the record, this is the point where I officially gave up as it was obvious you didn't have any interest in actually understanding evolutionary biology.wd400
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scordova
How can we assert the great American novel The Right Stuff has near 100% sequence similarity with Mirriam Webster’s Dictionary? Simple, take the words in the dictionary and find identical words in the novel, and you’ll find the spelling is 100% identical in most cases! Would you then use such an illegitimate method to argue humans share a close genetic identity with fish. Apparently Darwinists are quite willing to do exactly that.
No, scordova. Yet again you have posted an OP containing an incorrect premise that is falsified by a few moments of rudimentary research. The paper you cite does not claim that "humans share a close genetic identity with fish". It claims that "the lungfish, and not the coelacanth, is the closest living relative of tetrapods." This is analgous to claiming that The Right Stuff is closer to a German dictionary than to a Chinese dictionary, a claim that is amply justified by objective measurements. If you disagree, please cite where the paper claims humans are closely related to lungfish in absolute terms, as opposed to claiming humans are relatively more closely related to lungfish than to coelacanths. If you cannot do this, please amend the OP to note that this assertion of yours about the paper was incorrect, so that the OP is not misleading to any interested readers. Thanks.CLAVDIVS
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Seems someone has been adding many new words to the dictionary every time a new species appears:
Orphan Genes (And the peer reviewed 'non-answer' from Darwinists) - lifepsy video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zz6vio_LhY Genes from nowhere: Orphans with a surprising story - 16 January 2013 - Helen Pilcher Excerpt: When biologists began sequencing genomes they discovered up to a third of genes in each species seemed to have no parents or family of any kind. Nevertheless, some of these "orphan genes" are high achievers (are just as essential as 'old' genes),,, But where do they come from? With no obvious ancestry, it was as if these genes appeared out of nowhere, but that couldn't be true. Everyone assumed that as we learned more, we would discover what had happened to their families. But we haven't-quite the opposite, in fact.,,, The upshot is that the chances of random mutations turning a bit of junk DNA into a new gene seem infinitesmally small. As the French biologist Francois Jacob wrote 35 years ago, "the probability that a functional protein would appear de novo by random association of amino acids is practically zero".,,, Orphan genes have since been found in every genome sequenced to date, from mosquito to man, roundworm to rat, and their numbers are still growing. http://ccsb.dfci.harvard.edu/web/export/sites/default/ccsb/publications/papers/2013/All_alone_-_Helen_Pilcher_New_Scientist_Jan_2013.pdf
related note:
Groundbreaking Genetic Discoveries Challenge Ape to Human Evolutionary Theory – June 17, 2013 Excerpt: “It’s called cherry-picking the data,” he explained. “There are many genetic regions between humans and chimps that are radically different. In fact, humans have many sections of DNA that are missing in chimps and vice versa. Recent research is now showing that the genomes are only 70% similar overall.”,,, http://christiannews.net/2013/06/17/groundbreaking-genetic-discoveries-challenge-ape-to-human-evolutionary-theory/
bornagain77
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