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Eric Anderson: Why randomness is “the wrong tool for the job”

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Author and design theorist, Eric Anderson, clarifies the limitations of randomness in producing biological novelty.

Randomness is an important topic, true.  But not because it has, in and of itself, some deep substantive value or because it is going to help explain biological form and function.  It is important to the evolution-ID debate, primarily because it has been historically offered by evolutionary proponents as the fodder for change, the grist of the mill from which Darwin’s theory can operate, and we need to point out in the debate that this is a fool’s errand.

What does “random” mean in terms of mutations within evolutionary theory?

Despite the exciting headlines of several recent papers, it has nothing to do with whether there is some non-equal distribution across the genome, whether there are hot spots, or even what the actual cause of these mutations is behind the scenes.  That is not what we are talking about in terms of evaluating “random” mutations for evolutionary theory.

More critically, for purposes of intelligent design, we needn’t get into deep and esoteric discussions or hand wringing about what randomness actually means in some esoteric sense, whether anything in the universe is ever truly random, or even whether there is some underlying order that allows the randomness to be manifest.  And we needn’t all go back to get our PhD’s in mathematics or study number theory in depth in order to understand the issues.

For purposes of ID, the two corollary issues we need to appreciate are very simple:

First, randomness (specifically, random mutations for purposes of evolutionary theory), simply does not have the creative power to generate the biological novelty required to explain living organisms.  This has been discussed extensively in the ID literature….

Second, and more focused on the current discussion, we need to recognize that even if randomness isn’t truly random in some mathematical definitional sense, even if what appears random to us is governed by some underlying larger principles or follows discernible patterns, it still has no ability to generate the biological novelty required to explain living organisms

Law-like processes, by their very nature, are too general and generic to ever provide the specificity required to produce something like, say, the bacterial flagellum.  It doesn’t matter if we’re talking about the four fundamental forces or some underlying “order” to the universe that governs things.  It doesn’t matter how far under the hood you look–law-like forces or processes simply cannot ever provide the creative purchase required for the functional, coherent, information-rich systems we see in biology. 

Therefore, in terms of explaining biological systems, any proposed underlying order or principle or force or process that either produces what we perceive as randomness or that acts as a backdrop against which randomness is manifest, simply cannot explain what needs to be explained.  It is the wrong tool for the job.

—– Lastly, if what someone is really talking about is a guided process, then they are talking about purposeful activity–intelligent design.  Occasionally confusing terminology is put forth, such as guided evolution, or guided randomness, or God working behind the scenes to influence quantum interactions, and so on.  Let’s be clear.  If it is guided, then it isn’t evolution as proposed by Darwin, as accepted within the modern academy, or as defined in the biology textbooks.  If it is guided, then we are talking about design.

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Fred:
So how do you spot the faulty part: intuition, experience, burn marks?
By understanding the function of the system and the components that make it. Burn marks help. But then what caused that?ET
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ET at 115, ID is not about the Designer? So, who or what went around and designed everything?relatd
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You obviously lack knowledge of circuit boards. “upstream faults” is a fictional term. In my experience, there are reasons boards fail – and no fictional terms are used.
Next time my neighbor's aircon plays up; I'll call you. There was indeed a reason why the board failed. The heat dissipation was inadequate due to the installer not applying thermal conductive grease.Fred Hickson
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Hey everybody, while Fred isn't looking, I have an announcement. Secret meeting for ID proponents who believe God is the intelligent agent. The usual place. The usual time. Absolutely no admittance to those who do not know the secret handshake.relatd
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Pretty prescient designer who foresaw that the waste-products from nylon manufacture would be a handy food source for bacteria billions of years before bacteria or nylon existed.Seversky
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FH at 117, You obviously lack knowledge of circuit boards. "upstream faults" is a fictional term. In my experience, there are reasons boards fail - and no fictional terms are used.relatd
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There's a reason suppliers refuse to take back circuit boards. Boards fail and boards fail due to upstream faults.Fred Hickson
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So how do you spot the faulty part: intuition, experience, burn marks?Fred Hickson
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Relatd- we just don't know. And that is one reason why ID is not about the Designer.ET
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Well, Fred, I definitely do NOT "suck it and see". And I usually can identify the faulty part, straight away. Ya see, fixing things, the proper way, has been my life's work. I even got to travel the world because I was so good at it.ET
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That's not an exhaustive list, Relatd.Fred Hickson
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OK folks, let's have it. The intelligent cause/agent in ID is: 1) God. 2) Aliens. 3) Transdimensional beings or other science-fiction concept.relatd
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That sounds like what you do, Fred. But you aren’t an engineer
No, I'm retired. But I do fix things. And my approach is generally effective. So, how do you fix things, if not by trial and error, trying one thing at a time?Fred Hickson
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Fred Hickson is unable to provide anything cogent.ET
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I doubt anyone is going to attempt a cogent reply to your 106, KF.Fred Hickson
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Fred:
So we agree “suck it and see” is a valid engineering approach.
That sounds like what you do, Fred. But you aren't an engineerET
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Fred:
Give me an example of a “telic process” then. Can’t be too hard. In the biological arena, preferably.
Nylonase appears to be from those built-in responses to environmental cues. The same with trichromatic vision.ET
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CD, logic and context. The world of life can plausibly be explained on a molecular nanotech lab as was specifically stated so you are -- predictably -- setting up and knocking over a strawman. Next, the physics and parameters of the cosmos set it to a fine tuned operating point that enables c chem, aqueous medium cell based life. By basic logic of being the cosmos cannot create itself or come from utter non being and by the supertask it cannot have traversed a transfinite physical, causal temporal past. That requires extracosmic, necessary being designer. And we note you don't have a cogent substantial reply on the point. In that context taking a lab as a plausible context the issue is who ran it. KFkairosfocus
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just as technology works to respond to environment cues.
So we agree "suck it and see" is a valid engineering approach.Fred Hickson
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Front loading of a sort. Not the type that would lead to universal common descent. The information permeates the cell. And it would work via sensory, just as technology works to respond to environment cues. Read 59 above.ET
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@ ET Give me an example of a "telic process" then. Can't be too hard. In the biological arena, preferably.Fred Hickson
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Built-in responses to environmental cues.
Frontloading? Where is the information stored? What unlocks it at the appropriate moment? Parsimony?Fred Hickson
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Buy a dictionary. Look up the word "telic". Genetic algorithms exemplify evolution by means of telic processes. And built-in responses to environmental cues is such a biological process. Genetic algorithms are goal-oriented programs that utilize a targeted search to solve problems.ET
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So what's a telic process? And can we focus on biological processes?Fred Hickson
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Fred:
How would that work?
Built-in responses to environmental cues. Spetner 1997ET
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Telic processes. Natural processes didn’t produce Stonehenge, telic processes did. Heck, natural processes only exist in nature and because of that could not have produced it. Telic processes. ID just requires telic processes. We don't know if they were from a supernatural source or not. That is irrelevant.ET
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Do any of these forms of “selection” have a mechanism for selection with foresight?
How would that work? I mean trying something to see if it works and if it doesn't try something else is an effective way to trace a fault. Change one thing. If performance improves, tweak it more, if not, tweak something else.Fred Hickson
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Fred, LCD said that. I corrected him. My blockquote must have had a typo.ET
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Fred Hickson:
The biological sciences manage very well without your input (or mine, for that matter).
Manage? Biologists don't even know what determines biological form. They don't know of any naturalistic mechanism capable of producing the diversity of life.ET
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If nothing natural can account for emergence of life then must be something super-natural.
You are so binary, ET! There is the answer that nobody has thought of yet. Not to mention the equivocation over the antonyms to "natural". ETA which also presupposes we are intelligent enough to be able to come up with a more accurate answer.Fred Hickson
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