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Eric Anderson: Why randomness is “the wrong tool for the job”

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Author and design theorist, Eric Anderson, clarifies the limitations of randomness in producing biological novelty.

Randomness is an important topic, true.  But not because it has, in and of itself, some deep substantive value or because it is going to help explain biological form and function.  It is important to the evolution-ID debate, primarily because it has been historically offered by evolutionary proponents as the fodder for change, the grist of the mill from which Darwin’s theory can operate, and we need to point out in the debate that this is a fool’s errand.

What does “random” mean in terms of mutations within evolutionary theory?

Despite the exciting headlines of several recent papers, it has nothing to do with whether there is some non-equal distribution across the genome, whether there are hot spots, or even what the actual cause of these mutations is behind the scenes.  That is not what we are talking about in terms of evaluating “random” mutations for evolutionary theory.

More critically, for purposes of intelligent design, we needn’t get into deep and esoteric discussions or hand wringing about what randomness actually means in some esoteric sense, whether anything in the universe is ever truly random, or even whether there is some underlying order that allows the randomness to be manifest.  And we needn’t all go back to get our PhD’s in mathematics or study number theory in depth in order to understand the issues.

For purposes of ID, the two corollary issues we need to appreciate are very simple:

First, randomness (specifically, random mutations for purposes of evolutionary theory), simply does not have the creative power to generate the biological novelty required to explain living organisms.  This has been discussed extensively in the ID literature….

Second, and more focused on the current discussion, we need to recognize that even if randomness isn’t truly random in some mathematical definitional sense, even if what appears random to us is governed by some underlying larger principles or follows discernible patterns, it still has no ability to generate the biological novelty required to explain living organisms

Law-like processes, by their very nature, are too general and generic to ever provide the specificity required to produce something like, say, the bacterial flagellum.  It doesn’t matter if we’re talking about the four fundamental forces or some underlying “order” to the universe that governs things.  It doesn’t matter how far under the hood you look–law-like forces or processes simply cannot ever provide the creative purchase required for the functional, coherent, information-rich systems we see in biology. 

Therefore, in terms of explaining biological systems, any proposed underlying order or principle or force or process that either produces what we perceive as randomness or that acts as a backdrop against which randomness is manifest, simply cannot explain what needs to be explained.  It is the wrong tool for the job.

—– Lastly, if what someone is really talking about is a guided process, then they are talking about purposeful activity–intelligent design.  Occasionally confusing terminology is put forth, such as guided evolution, or guided randomness, or God working behind the scenes to influence quantum interactions, and so on.  Let’s be clear.  If it is guided, then it isn’t evolution as proposed by Darwin, as accepted within the modern academy, or as defined in the biology textbooks.  If it is guided, then we are talking about design.

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SA at 31, Copy errors? So given enough copy errors, something goes right?relatd
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FH at 30, Constant random churn results in a lucky hit? More fiction, driven, it appears, by wishful thinking.relatd
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New, specified functional information is created by copy-errors in the replication process. That's starting with sexual reproduction which is "the queen of all evolutionary problems" according to a paper posted here last week. The copy-errors occur randomly within a functional information system. All that is required is a model. Randomize some elements of a string of information and observe the results. If the information becomes non-functional during the randomization, the organism dies.Silver Asiatic
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Where does the new information to make that useful function come from?
For sexually reproducing organisms, apart from novel genes that change due to imperfect copying, the process of meoisis, where existing genes are shuffled and half discarded when reproduction occurs results in new combinations in genomes constantly.Fred Hickson
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FH at 28, Getting factual answers is my goal. Not math. Organism X Time = New, useful function that can be inherited. Where does the new information to make that useful function come from?relatd
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Your choicece what you believe, Relatd.Fred Hickson
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Besides DNA has nothing to do with Evolution and natural selection only operates on DNA.
Wrong, Jerry. Selection only acts on phenotypes. Genomes that produce fitter phenotypes make it through into the next generation more often on average as passengers in individual organisms within the population.Fred Hickson
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FH at 25, Statements do not drive physical adaptation. A useful change requires the creation of information in the organism that leads to a useful function. It is fictional to believe that given enough organisms plus time, that something like this would happen. Further, the change must be heritable to be passed on to offspring.relatd
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Would you say that this shift provides a non-random direction to evolution or are we still dealing with an essentially random process?
Of course there has to be a non-random element to evolution (which is selection - differential reproductive rates within populations) otherwise adaptive change would not happen. The environment designs, or rather interaction between species and their niche environment is the non-random element that leads to adaptive change.Fred Hickson
June 6, 2022
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The term evolution and natural selection are being used interchangeably. Natural selection by definition favors some variations over others. Natural selection leaves behind more offspring with a certain characteristic because the new variation makes is superior in some way. So in the sense it is directional in that it will lead to a more robust organism in the ecology in which it exists. But what happens when the organism becomes too robust? That is the variation leads to an organism that not only leaves more offspring but starts to destroy its ecology because it can dominate it with the new characteristic. It will destroy itself because it will destroy its ecology. Please explain why this will not happen every time unless the process of natural selection is limited to what it can lead to. In other words natural selection must be limited. In other words it cannot explain Evolution. Besides DNA has nothing to do with Evolution and natural selection only operates on DNA.jerry
June 6, 2022
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Chuckdarwin, thanks for your response. I am not talking about teleology. Edelman is quite right about the fact that evolution (as normally understood) includes "no final cause, no teleology, no purpose." The issue here isn't purpose in some teleological sense, and it isn't "evolutionary progress" (which is not at all what I'm talking about). The issue is the claim that natural selection makes evolution a non-random process. As ET said, "this non-random component [NS] is what produces the appearance of design without a designer." I'm simply asking, what is this non-random component? If it isn't random--and if it is driving a population, or affecting a population, or moving a population, or whatever other term we want to use--then there has to be directionality. Dawkins imagined that natural selection would drive a population up the slope of Mount Improbable, producing wonderful biological systems, and claimed that natural selection takes what would otherwise be a random process (i.e., random mutations) and makes it non-random. It's great to have an imagination, but I'm asking for some actual content to this non-random directionality that Dawkins (and many others) say NS has. Closer to my question, in your first paragraph you say, "NS is opportunistic... deals with a shift in the distribution of phenotypes within a given population." Would you say that this shift provides a non-random direction to evolution or are we still dealing with an essentially random process?Eric Anderson
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CD at 21, Of course evolution is marketed as being directed. "Life finds a way" or an organism "adapts" to some new, even hostile environment. To do so, there must be a gain of information resulting in a useful change in the organism. The claim that early sight consisted of a light sensing spot to an eyeball shows this constant upgrade directionality. A human eyeball contains cones and rods which came from where? By itself, it's useless. It needs an optic nerve and it needs to be connected to the 'right' part of the brain for those signals to be read. So, "no purpose" resulted in human beings? Nonsense.relatd
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EA Natural selection is not directional, at least not in the "teleological" sense that you are using the term. NS is opportunistic. In fact, opportunism is the basis for exaptation. There is a limited statistical phenomenon in NS called "directional selection" (sometimes called "negative selection") which deals with a shift in the distribution of phenotypes within a given population, but this has nothing to do with your discussion of "directionality." I don't quite follow your comment "that evolutionists love to imagine that natural selection somehow makes evolution non-random, that it provides directionality. This is a very common claim." Common among whom? While there is an ongoing debate within the evolutionary biology community as to whether it is even useful to discuss "evolutionary progress" (which is really what you are talking about), I'm not aware of any credible biologist that claims that evolution is "directed" towards some end. Moreover, non-randomness and "directionality" are not the same thing. American biologist and Nobel laureate Gerald Edelman put it most succinctly:
Evolution works by selection, not by instruction. There is no final cause, no teleology, no purpose guiding the overall process.
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EA, one of the suppressed issues is getting TO shorelines of function to enable hill climbing. How does one differentially eliminate between non functional variations, starting at OoL? KFkairosfocus
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ET @6, thanks for your comment. It isn't really germane to my quote provided, which was addressing the idea of active tinkering behind the scenes to turn the random into the non-random, but let's talk about this natural selection idea for a moment. :) You are quite right that evolutionists love to imagine that natural selection somehow makes evolution non-random, that it provides directionality. This is a very common claim. Yet we shouldn't just accept this claim on their word without examining it critically. Can you share with me how the elimination of the unfit provides directionality to evolution? (Hint: Generic references to "fitness" or "producing more offspring" or "differential reproduction" don't work and are nothing more than circular statements, robbing natural selection of any explanatory power.) So, let's hear it, Mayr, Dawkins, or anyone else: What directionality does the death of most organisms provide to a species? What directionality does it provide, and where is it going?Eric Anderson
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SA/15 Out of touch? How could I be out of touch? I get the most cutting edge science there is available from my two main sources, Answers in Genesis and Creation Today. They leave Evolution News and Mind Matters eating dust. I am truly offended…..chuckdarwin
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Laszlo at 16, Jesus gives us a good idea of who we are compared to angels. The Son of God became a man so He could teach us to believe in Him. To spread the Gospel: To tell others why He died on the cross. To tell others about salvation. As far as other Gods, that possibility is excluded. Exodus 20: 2, 3 and 4 …2“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 3You shall have no other gods before Me. 4You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in the heavens above, on the earth below, or in the waters beneath.…" God consists of three persons: The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. Free will is not a power. We were not made to be robots but to freely choose to do right and to not choose to do wrong.relatd
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I don't think the question, "Why didn't God create other gods so he could have more meaningful conversations than he can have with humans?" is a stupid question. I think its intriguing and meaningful. it has made me ponder. Scripture indicates that God has created a horde of spirit beings called angels. Apparently throughout history some of these have been confused with gods. What sorts of conversations can God have with angels? I have no idea. Yet, as great as angels are in the scheme of things, humans are destined to judge them. So angels must not be in that category called "gods." Perhaps, we humans are as close as God can come to creating fellow gods. After all he somehow managed to endow us with free will which is perhaps the most godly of powers. And we are made in His image. We may be as good as it gets when it comes to creating gods.Laszlo
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The old guys here don't realize that the younger generations do not use comboxes on blogs as their #1 means of communication. Try YouTube, for example. Here's Gunter Bechly vs Joshua Swamidass on Intelligent Design. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN0NkYgB4rk 471 comments - almost entirely pro-ID. Dr. Swamidass did not have a good showing. The anti-ID guys here are totally out of touch. ID is gaining support and Darwin is losing it.Silver Asiatic
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A couple of old white guys complain! :)Fred Hickson
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I’m here mostly for the laughs and abuse
Proves my point. It means you have nothing relevant to say. But we knew that.jerry
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Fred Hickson:
The smart people are getting on with their lives and careers, happily ignoring “Intelligent Design” which has added nothing to the sum of human knowledge since its conception.
How would you know? You are a willfully ignorant troll. ID's concepts of evolution are useful in the form of genetic algorithms. On the other hand, no one uses evolution by means of blind and mindless processes for anything.ET
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FH/10 Old white guys, like us, are perhaps emblematic of or a metaphor for the ID movement--drifting off into senile irrelevance. I'm here mostly for the laughs and abuse. Now and again, there will be something of substantive interest, but even that is getting scarce.chuckdarwin
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Jerry
This site is attracting people critical of ID that are incoherent. The question is why? Are there not any smart ones out there? Maybe not.
The smart people are getting on with their lives and careers, happily ignoring "Intelligent Design" which has added nothing to the sum of human knowledge since its conception. You just get sad old timers like me, filled with nostalgia for the old days when there was still a controversy. What also strikes me is the lack of female voices now Denyse has retired from UD. Nothing from Ann Gauger. Viola Lee left. Why is "Intelligent Design" the preserve of aging white males?Fred Hickson
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it’s presented as if living things can and do self-upgrade into better and better versions of the original
But this cannot happen or else the species will eliminate itself. The concept of Evolution by small changes and natural selection is self refuting. If it ever happened, the species would disappear. What we see is only species that are deficient on several characteristics but strong enough on others to survive in the ecology. Becoming more efficient would actually destroy the ecology and the species.jerry
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Really? I have never heard of evolution being presented as having some goal.ET
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ET at 6, Too often, evolution is presented as having some goal. Enough creatures have the probability of mutating, which requires not only a gain of information but creating some new feature that is useful. Why don't we see animals with 6 or 7 tails for example? The change must also be heritable, meaning it can be successfully passed on to its offspring. There are too many ways for this not to go right, but it's presented as if living things can and do self-upgrade into better and better versions of the original.relatd
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1- Read "Not By Chance", Spetner, 1997 2- The mutations are random as in they are accidents, errors or mistakes. They are not planned and not in response to any stimuli. This is the FIRST step of natural selection. 3- The second step of natural selection is non-random in that not every variation (variant) has the same probability of being eliminated (Mayr). For some reason, ie wishful thinking, evolutionists claim that this non-random component is what produces the appearance of design without a designer. They don't grasp how trivial this non-random component is. They fell in love with the narrative-> natural selection is a ratcheting mechanism aka "cumulative selection" (even though natural selection is a process of elimination). So, as soon as any evolutionist read this post, you know they went off on your misunderstanding of natural selection. Even though they refuse to acknowledge how trivial the non-random component is.ET
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If we are the inferior creatures, which I take to be the case here, then we should expect the reasons for why we are here, why things are the way they are, etc., to be partly inscrutable to us. God could easily have purposes for our existence which we cannot even comprehend.EDTA
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Jerry at 3, People who scoff and mock surprise you? They are mentioned in the Bible. But back to ID, it makes the most sense. But it will be ridiculed since it points to an intelligent agent.relatd
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