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What are the implications of NASA’s public involvement in this issue?

NASA is officially joining the hunt for UFOs. The space agency on Thursday announced a new study that will recruit leading scientists to examine unidentified aerial phenomena—a subject that has long fascinated the public and recently gained high-level attention from Congress.

The project will begin early this fall and last around nine months, focusing on identifying available data, how to gather more data in future, and how NASA can analyze the findings to try to move the needle on scientific understanding.

“Over the decades, NASA has answered the call to tackle some of the most perplexing mysteries we know of, and this is no different,” Daniel Evans, the NASA scientist responsible for coordinating the study, told reporters on a call.

While NASA probes and rovers scour the solar system for the fossils of ancient microbes, and its astronomers look for so-called “technosignatures” on distant planets for signs of intelligent civilizations, this is the first time the agency will investigate unexplained phenomena in Earth’s skies.

The announcement comes as the field of UFO study, once a poorly-regarded research backwater, is gaining more mainstream traction.

“One of the things we tangentially hope to do as part of this study, simply by talking about it in the open, is to help to remove some of the stigma associated with it, and that will yield obviously, increased access to data, more reports, more sightings.”

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SA at 26, To any moderator reading, please delete.relatd
June 12, 2022
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ET at 24, I hope a moderator catches that stupid off topic comment.relatd
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JH at 23, Stop the useless and off topic political nonsense please.relatd
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JH at 19, You know it's wrong to accuse everybody? Especially people you've never met in real life?relatd
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JHolo:
Well, it got rid of a narcissist who wanted to shoot peaceful protesters.
All Presidents are narcissists. And the riots were anything but peaceful. I especially loved the parts that saw minority owned businesses getting destroyed by those "peaceful" BLM protestors. For months this went on. And the weak, local democratic "leadership" allowed it.ET
June 12, 2022
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Regarding election fraud, along with 2000 Mules, this movie looks interesting (trailer) - opens in July. https://selectioncode.com/Silver Asiatic
June 12, 2022
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ET: And look where that self-inflicted fraud has gotten us.
Well, it got rid of a narcissist who wanted to shoot peaceful protesters.JHolo
June 12, 2022
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Yes, JHolo. And THAT is the problem. That epitomizes the stupidity inherent in the last Presidential election. To me the "anyone but Trump" mantra is pure fraud. And look where that self-inflicted fraud has gotten us.ET
June 12, 2022
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ET: I would rather believe in election fraud than to think that over 81 million people stupidly voted for Biden.
I suspect that not an insignificant number were votes against Trump rather than votes specifically endorsing Biden.JHolo
June 12, 2022
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JHolo is proud to be clueless. ID is not anti-evolution. The only evidence for evolution by means of blind and mindless processes are genetic diseases and deformities. If humans are causing climate issues it is with our sheer numbers, along with urban heat islands and our ability to alter ecosystems. It has NOTHING to do with CO2. I would rather believe in election fraud than to think that over 81 million people stupidly voted for Biden. It is disheartening to know there are that many idiots in the USA. And ID offers the only scientific explanation form our existence. Without ID all you have to try to explain our existence is sheer dumb luck. And that is the antithesis of science.ET
June 12, 2022
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JH, empty speculation that shows you have never -- despite opportunities -- cogently addressed the search challenge imposed by configuration spaces at or beyond 500 - 1,000 bits of complexity and the linked islands of function imposed by requisites of function based on correct arrangement, coupling and interaction of many well matched parts. Consider a tray of 1,000 coins [2-sided dice], containing a valid English text message of 143 ASCII characters or thereabouts. The config space is 1.07*10^301. The 10*80 atoms of our observed cosmos, acting as observers with such trays, tossed and inspected every 10^-14 s for 10^17 s, would sample 10 ^(80+14+17) possibilities, 10^111. That is 1 in 10^290 of the space, effectively no search of consequence. 10^80 atoms of course takes in all your billions of proposed circumstellar, terrestrial zone, life habitable planets in spiral galaxies with life friendly rings and high metallicity stars. Life is vastly more complex than a 1,000 bit string so the notion of a Darwin pond etc spontaneously forming c-chem aqueous medium cell based life on that gamut is radically ill conceived, just on search challenge. Not to mention the required Drexler assembler. KF PS, if you are trying to imply that no one could get here to create the molecular nanotech lab or that panspermia is impossible, that first restricts us to 10^57 atoms and about the same time, 12 BY. That brings you to the 500 bit end of the threshold. More to the point, we have not exhausted physics so even that cannot be ruled out. However if we were to take for argument, OoL would have a very plausible extracosmic class of candidates which would leave open life on many worlds.kairosfocus
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Given the size of the universe, and the billions of planets, I think that it is highly likely that there is life elsewhere, and even probable that there is intelligent life. But that is a long cry from them being able to visit us. The universal speed limit makes that very unlikely.JHolo
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I find it strange that the same people who don’t believe in evolution and anthropogenic global warming, in spite of overwhelming evidence from multiple fields of research, believe in UFOs, ID, election fraud and pizza-gate.JHolo
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@Relatd #14 Evidently, neither do you lol.KRock
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Air Intelligence Digest February 1956 Volume 9 Number 2 Published by the Directorate of Intelligence UNITED STATES AIR FORCE SECRET TECHNICAL BRIEFS VTOL AIRCRAFT. Here are two views of René Couzinet’s original design of a circular planform, vertical take-off-and-landing aircraft. It is claimed that his improved version has undergone preliminary wind tunnel tests. [CONFIDENTIAL]? Couzinet has improved his flying saucer René Couzinet of France reportedly has improved his original design of a circular planform, vertical take-off-and-landing aircraft. The reported specifications for the improved version are: Span: 44.6 feet Lifting surface area: 645.6 square feet Six Lycoming engines (180 hp each): 1,080 hp One turbojet (Marcel Dassault Viper): 1,639 pounds thrust Empty weight: 9,900 pounds Useful load: 19,800 pounds Total weight: 27,700 pounds According to the report, the modified version incorporates a principle of operation similar to that used in Couzinet’s original proposal, that is, two contra-rotating discs superimposed to annul gyroscopic effect. The discs are supported by a fixed central section in which the cockpit, the engines, and landing gear are located. There are now 50 adjustable vanes around the periphery of each disc instead of the 48 in the earlier proposal. It is claimed that this improved version has already undergone preliminary wind tunnel tests, and is expected to be flown in April. [CONFIDENTIAL] Endrelatd
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Fasteddious at 15, You're saying nothing new. Others have seen the same things as you going back decades, They are of no concern. What is of concern are solid metallic objects sighted at close range by trained observers. But the USAF, and others, have ignored that for decades. And will continue to ignore it. See my next post if you think manmade, circular aircraft are impossible.relatd
June 11, 2022
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Relatd @ 13: Sorry, but I have seen such "evidence" published much later than the 1950's: - I have read about repeated reports of UFO's that were actually sightings of Venus - I saw a video of a "UFO" that was clearly (to me) the reflection of a car's rear lights in a window - I myself saw a "UFO" as a pair of lights hovering a few minutes in the distance until it became clear that I was watching the tail end of a jet that had taken off from a not-so-near airport, moving away from me. I have seen videos claiming to be UFO's that looked very similar to that. And yes, some UFO sighting reports are more credible than others; nothing new there. Otherwise, I think we largely agree (e.g. regarding aliens), although one would not know that from reading your response.Fasteddious
June 11, 2022
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KRock at 11, You've got nothing.relatd
June 11, 2022
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Fasteddious at 12, You are repeating tired, old non-theories from the 1950s. 1) USAF pilots have seen large, metallic, circular aircraft at close range. They were never told that these aircraft were manmade since they carried no markings. In the 1950s, fighter jets were routinely scrambled because the United States was under threat of attack from Russian bombers. By the way, those "Russian" bombers were near copies of American B-29s that were given to Russia during the war (four in total). Aside from some armament changes, U.S. fighter pilots would essentially be shooting at B-29s. The Russian version was called the Tu-4. 2) The alien idea has no basis in fact. It just became the most published (fictional) story.relatd
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One wonders whether NASA has more money than it needs for its usual projects? I wonder whether they will look into ball lightning as part of this study? Most UFO sightings can probably be accounted for naturally, such as the planet Venus, birds (or planes) reflecting the setting sun, other unrecognized reflections, the exhaust of remote jet airplanes, etc. Doing so after the sighting is, of course, largely impossible, so the sightings just accumulate as mysteries. Even so, there are some that have been studied closely and appear to defy explanation with what we know at present. While it is hard to take seriously that many of these are alien presences, that explanation cannot be ruled out, a priori.Fasteddious
June 11, 2022
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@Relatd #10 Jacque Vallee is a charlatan? That's quite the claim. Where's your proof? Show me the evidence that supports your claim? And I'm not interested in your personal opinion—I want factual evidence. I don't doubt that some UFOs are manmade craft. However, this just isn't the case for all sightings and reports. To think otherwise is to be willfully ignorant. You're quote mining. The letter in question also states that the reported phenomenon is real and not fictitious; and that while some of the sightings could be natural in origin (the key word here being some), a further detailed study into the phenomenon is highly recommended. Moreover, the part of the letter you decided to focus on provides no evidence that the objects are manmade; the letter only suggests that the creation of these objects through acquired U.S. knowledge might be possible, provided an extensive development programme be put into place. Additionally, the paragraph only mentions range of speed as being within the potential capabilities of U.S, engineering, not the maneuverability of these so-called objects, such as their extreme rates of climb, etc. You're grasping for straws.KRock
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Jacques Vallee is a charlatan who writes well. My choice #2 was: UFOs are made on earth. I was unable to correct that entry. Yes, UFOs are manmade. Get the book, Flying Saucer Aircraft by Bill Rose for much of the story. In a letter sent by Air Materiel Command to the commanding officer of the USAAF, the following entry appears: "f. It is possible within the present U.S. knowledge—provided extensive detailed development is undertaken—to construct a piloted aircraft which has the general description of the object in subparagraph (e) above which would be capable of an approximate range of 7000 miles at subsonic speeds." This was in response for a request for more information on flying discs as they were called at the time. Where did this "U.S. knowledge" come from? From engineers at Wright Field and interrogation reports. That letter was dated September 23, 1947.relatd
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@ Relatd #8 What difference does it make whether or not people know who J. Allen Hynek is? His popularity has absolutely no bearing on whether or not his claims are legitimate. That's pure nonsense! Jacque Vallee has been studying and researching the UFO phenomenon since the 1960s, and, along the way, has worked with numerous other researchers within the field of Ufology, including J. Allen Hynek. He's considered to be one of the most respected researchers in this particular area of study. To suggest he's nothing short of a story teller speaks volumes of just how little you know (or understand) of the subject. It's quite sad that you'd resort to an ad hominem. Your idea that people today have two choices is an enigma. In other words, I have absolutely no clue what your point is. In your first choice, you seem to indicate that we should trust the government because they won't tell us the truth. And your second choice isn't really a choice at all, it's an assertion that you have a lot of books on the subject of UFOs and that the vast majority of them (according to you) are not very revealing. They knew they were manmade in the 1940s?. Like they do today, I suppose?! Weird, considering that one of the hypotheses in the US government's recently released report is "Other," a polite way of saying "not from this world." This is an odd hypothesis to include in a report if they (i.e., the US government) already know UFOs are manmade. So! In 1975 J. Allen Hynek co-authored a book with Jacque Vallee called, "The Edge of Reality: A Progress Report on Unidentified Flying Objects," where he laid out a very reasonable case for why the UFO phenomenon is real, and what the likely nature of it is. Swamp gas, unfortunately, doesn't account for the most UFO sightings. Nice try though.KRock
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No one knows who J. Allen Hynek was or what he did. And by no one, I mean the majority of the population of the U.S. Jacques Vallee was a storyteller - nothing more. He added nothing but fiction by creating his Grand Unified Field of Strange Phenomena fiction. I work with professional storytellers. His books would never pass muster as serious studies. About Wright Field, my point is: They knew what was going on. If that is too vague for you, the UFOs from 1947 were and still are, manmade. People today have two choices: 1) Trust the government to give them an answer that they can demonstrate as true. This means confirming all UFO sightings are from space, other dimensions or domestic production. But they will not do that. 2) I have two hundred books about UFOs and related magazines. Most do little to nothing to explain anything. A few are informative. A last word about J Allen Hynejk. It's 1966 and UFOs were spotted in Michigan. U.S. Air Force Consultant, J Allen Hynek, stated that what was being seen was "swamp gas." Does anyone know what swamp gas is? Swamp gas is trapped gas generated by rotting vegetable matter in swamps. Under certain conditions, it can ignite, producing a very brief, very low altitude flame. An explanation? No.relatd
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@Relatd #6 Spiritual—if you bothered to read my post—was merely one example. And, if you knew anything about the subject of UFOs you'd know that some of the leading experts in the field of Ufology, such as Jacque Vallee and the late J. Allen Hynek, have all come to the same conclusion regarding the phenomenon; that is, UFOs are most likely inter-dimensional in nature. It's fiction to think the present phenomenon was known at a particular time?! You're delusional if you think the US government has only come terms with this phenomenon in recent years. I never said there'd be an explanation forthcoming. Moreover, we don't need the US government to offer a plausible explanation; there's plenty of well-versed researchers (I named two above) in the field of Ufology who have already done so. "Early UFO reports were sent to Wright Field in Ohio. Why? They knew what was going on." Your point is?KRock
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KRock at 5, Spiritual? Well, we can add that to humans from the future, weather balloons, hallucinations and various and sundry non-explanations. It is fiction to think the present phenomenon was "known" by the general public at a particular time. Good references and document sources exist. I can guarantee that no plausible, or actual, explanation will be forthcoming. Early UFO reports were sent to Wright Field in Ohio. Why? They knew what was going on.relatd
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I find it mystifying that NASA, and the United States government in general, are only now claiming to be taking the subject of UFOs seriously. Give me a break, they've known about the phenomenon since at least the mid 1940s, and perhaps even earlier. On a side note: I don't believe the phenomenon itself, which is almost certainly real, stems from other galaxies or star systems; it is likely inter-dimensional (e.g., spiritual) in nature.KRock
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1947 - Air Materiel Command at Wright Field in Dayton, Ohio. 'We should look into this.' 1950s - Various groups like the USAF, CIA and FBI are getting reports. 'We should look into this.' 1966 - The University of Colorado gets a contract from the USAF to look into this and they find nothing 'of scientific value.' 1968 - The Condon Report is released. It contains nothing of scientific value 1970s - Nothing. 1980s - More nothing. 2022 - We should look into this. Or, more baloney.relatd
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"The announcement comes as the field of UFO study, once a poorly-regarded research backwater, is gaining more mainstream traction." So its a political move. Yawn. Andrewasauber
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This is a flip from their approach in the '50s and '60s. Back then, real people were seeing (by eye and by radar) a lot of odd things that didn't admit easy explanations, and government insisted nothing was there. Now very few real people are seeing UFOs, and the government wants to convince us that something is there.polistra
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