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Chimps help us understand how human-like societies evolved?

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Despite the fact that they never did it themselves?

Like if I was gonna tell you how to win Olympic gold, wouldn’t you first want to know my international ranking?

None of that counts in today’s ridiculous pop science media. Getta loada this:

From New Scientist (where else?) :

After Leakey’s death a chimp called Humphrey became alpha male, but he was weak and faced pressure from two brothers from the south, Hugh and Charlie. The other chimps began to follow either Humphrey or the brothers. The battle began.

My grandpa used to break up such fights between bulls (by driving a team and wagon between them, which tended to confuse them). But he never thought of it as politics. Note that the names quoted are given and recognized by humans, not chimps.

Over four years Humphrey’s group destroyed the brothers’ group, and the seven rebel males died or vanished. Groups of males would slip into rebel territory and savagely beat a single chimp.

Marquess of Queensberry, call your office.

It was possible to predict which group a chimp joined by looking at their preferred social contacts before the split, says Feldblum. This social fragmentation resembles human societies, he says, pointing to “an iconic study in sociology”, Zachary’s karate club, which showed how tensions among members of the club led it to split into two. Here, too, it was easy to predict how the group split.

Nothing like a savage beating to revise one’s social diary, to be sure.

That means chimp societies might help us understand how human-like societies evolve. More clues might come from New World spider monkeys, the only other primate that seems to behave similarly, says Anthony Di Fiore at the University of Texas at Austin. “There must be some ecological reason why they have converged on the same pattern of social organisation [as humans].”

Readers, can you beat this? Can you find something in the pop sci lit (that does not involve space aliens) that is as stupid as this? This now passes for science thinking?

Is it too late to ask them to lose the pom poms? Really too late?

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In some Spanish-speaking countries they say "que mono está ese niño, que monos están esos niños, que mona está esa niña, etc." kind of like equating children to monkeys. The word 'mono' can be interpreted as 'monkey'. I guess that confirms the proximity of the two species, doesn't it? ;-) Dionisio
"I'll believe in Darwinism when I see monkeys build space ships to send other monkeys to the moon" Quote as stated from a Farmer/Rancher
of note:
New Thoughts on Evolution (1910) Views of Professor Alfred Russel Wallace, O.M., F.R.S. "Nothing in evolution can account for the soul of man. The difference between man and the other animals is unbridgeable. Mathematics is alone sufficient to prove in man the possession of a faculty unexistent in other creatures. Then you have music and the artistic faculty. No, the soul was a separate creation." Alfred Russel Wallace - An interview by Harold Begbie printed on page four of The Daily Chronicle (London) issues of 3 November and 4 November 1910. http://people.wku.edu/charles.smith/wallace/S746.htm "Either mathematics is too big for the human mind or the human mind is more than a machine" - Kurt Godel Young Children Have Grammar and Chimpanzees Don't - Apr. 10, 2013 Excerpt: "When you compare what children should say if they follow grammar against what children do say, you find it to almost indistinguishable," Yang said. "If you simulate the expected diversity when a child is only repeating what adults say, it produces a diversity much lower than what children actually say." As a comparison, Yang applied the same predictive models to the set of Nim Chimpsky's signed phrases, the only data set of spontaneous animal language usage publicly available. He found further evidence for what many scientists, including Nim's own trainers, have contended about Nim: that the sequences of signs Nim put together did not follow from rules like those in human language. Nim's signs show significantly lower diversity than what is expected under a systematic grammar and were similar to the level expected with memorization. This suggests that true language learning is -- so far -- a uniquely human trait, and that it is present very early in development. "The idea that children are only imitating adults' language is very intuitive, so it's seen a revival over the last few years," Yang said. "But this is strong statistical evidence in favor of the idea that children actually know a lot about abstract grammar from an early age." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130410131327.htm Monkey Theory Proven Wrong: Excerpt: A group of faculty and students in the university’s media program left a computer in the monkey enclosure at Paignton Zoo in southwest England, home to six Sulawesi crested macaques. Then, they waited. At first, said researcher Mike Phillips, “the lead male got a stone and started bashing the hell out of it. “Another thing they were interested in was in defecating and urinating all over the keyboard,” added Phillips, who runs the university’s Institute of Digital Arts and Technologies. Eventually, monkeys Elmo, Gum, Heather, Holly, Mistletoe and Rowan produced five pages of text, composed primarily of the letter S. Later, the letters A, J, L and M crept in — not quite literature. http://www.arn.org/docs2/news/monkeysandtypewriters051103.htm Dogs Succeed While Chimps Fail at Following Finger Pointing: Chimpanzees Have Difficulty Identifying Object of Interest Based On Gestures - Feb. 8, 2012 Excerpt: The fact that chimpanzees do not understand communicative intentions of others, suggests that this may be a uniquely human form of communication. The dogs however challenge this hypothesis. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/02/120208180251.htm Humans Evolved from Dogs (Dogs shown to be smarter than chimps) - February 2012 Excerpt: Birds are actually smarter than dogs, and dolphins than birds. So we have to update our earlier report that humans evolved from pigeons. The new evolutionary tree is: chimps begat dogs, who begat birds, who begat dolphins, who begat people. Hydrogen begat everything; or was it nothing that begat everything? http://crev.info/2012/02/humans-evolved-from-dogs/
As to ALL animals, not just monkeys, having personalities,
The Lord God Made Them All (All Creatures Great and Small) - James Herriot http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Made-Creatures-Great-Small/dp/0312335326 All Creatures Great & Small The Lord God Made Them All - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGZ8OZJedl4

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